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[Alpha 5]

I'm not sure I am following your logic here, Black Ranger. Why was my Green Ranger vote scummy?

 

[Black Ranger]

I'm not sure I am following your logic here, Black Ranger. Why was my Green Ranger vote scummy?

Mainly due to it being aimed at someone who could have been lynched as the 3rd possible candidate if more people had switched.

We had Jason who has been confirmed scum, you and rac who is confirmed town.

By elimination, you're the only person who might be scum on the green ranger train.

 

[Black Ranger]

As a side note: When looking at the votes before the day started and working on that, I got confused a few times due to red ranger votes still being counted by the vote tool.

 

[Bulk]

Jason’s flip pretty much clears Trini. But on the reread Bulk looks no so great for goading votes but holding their own.

When I intervened and tried to get posts moving Jason was coasting towards a lynch that wouldn't have given us nearly as much info as we have now, which is great, specially after Red claimed and everyone had to shift their votes around. I didn't want to move my vote because if I did Black would stop being a viable lynch target, and then it would turn into either a tie or another landslide vote and stagnate the vote dynamics.

Regardless, looking at yesterday's vote, my initial reaction is being wary of those who voted for black, and black. Black never voted for Jason, and I'm very dumbfounded as to why. I think there's a (maybe small) chance that Jason gave up rather easily yesterday because he thought scum was being lynched anyway if it was between him and black. He very enthusiastically switched to Green, although to be fair, he never switched to Red and stuck to his vote on Black so maybe thats a no go.

 

[rac]

and I don't like his tendency to save a vote for the last minute to make specific lynchs happen.

hmmm

tell me how voting for jason to make it 5-4 holding my vote to make a specific lynch happen

 

[Black Ranger]

Black never voted for Jason, and I'm very dumbfounded as to why.

I didn't think they were scum. I was very very wrong about that which is why I'm trying to rethink the game now and see if we can work towards lynching more scum.

 

[Alpha 5]

Mainly due to it being aimed at someone who could have been lynched as the 3rd possible candidate if more people had switched.

We had Jason who has been confirmed scum, you and rac who is confirmed town.

By elimination, you're the only person who might be scum on the green ranger train.

I think you are making one or two wild leaps in logic here. Back up a bit.

I presume that you are assuming that the scum are evenly distributed among the various votes? Is there any reason to presume that?

 

[Bulk]

I didn't think they were scum. I was very very wrong about that which is why I'm trying to rethink the game now and see if we can work towards lynching more scum.

This is nonsensical. You were being voted out. You know you're town. You can't trust any player more than you trust yourself in this game.

 

[Zordon]

2 options I'd say:

Pink was going to be NK'd but they exited

Or it was stopped by a protection role.

What if scum targeted Pink and she left before the kill could go through.

If that's the case that was a close one lol. And sorry everyone, day start is at really inconvenient time for me today but i'll be back in a while, I have some things I was looking at overnight.

 

[rac]

guess this works too

vote: rita repulsa

 

[Black Ranger]

I think you are making one or two wild leaps in logic here. Back up a bit.

I presume that you are assuming that the scum are evenly distributed among the various votes? Is there any reason to presume that?

I'm just assuming we have both scum bussing and not bussing. So I'm looking over the not bussing first aka people who didn't vote for Jason. They may or may not be evenly distributed. I'm just going off the votes and in particular, yours stuck out to me as the only one unconfirmed that was on the green ranger train.

I certainly feel that by process of elimination, IF there was scum on either of the two non-Jason trains, you are likely to be one as it. You may not be but I think it's something to keep in mind as we move through the day phase.

 

[Bulk]

Also, ignoring what Jason said at day end to Zach because that's some high-tier WIFOM, his voting record looks preeetty bad.

 

[Black Ranger]

This is nonsensical. You were being voted out. You know you're town. You can't trust any player more than you trust yourself in this game.

nonsensical maybe. I'm just saying where my head was at at the time. I was very wrong of course and I hate myself for that but hindsight and all...

 

[Alpha 5]

hmmm

tell me how voting for jason to make it 5-4 holding my vote to make a specific lynch happen

I was referring to your tendency to not put down a vote at all until the last few hours where you aim to do so strategically.

Of course, in hindsight you were intentionally acting scummy in order to bait reactions so you could utilize your celebrity power. With that being the case, I still don't know why out of all of the people who openly read you as scum and were willing to place votes on you, you have been tunneling on me.

 

[Bulk]

Vote: Zack

 

[Trini]

Vote: Black Ranger

Really don't like Black Ranger here.

 

[Alpha 5]

Okay, I think I get you now, Black Ranger.

 

[Tommy]

Good job on the jason lynch guys. No nk, interesting. That's an early neutral win and I can delete Pink Ranger from my suspicious list. Also was a bit suspicious regarding jason.

I'm just starting with my reread (for what's it's worth what i did read yesterday. I was on my phone while with friends, which i don't like, but i did not want to be completely absent) on the end of day 2. I made it to #1230 before game just started, so got the fun part to go.

For now; i feel good about trini, yellow ranger & white ranger regarding jason
Feel less good about kimberly.

 

[Tommy]

My gut tells me Zack. I don't think Jason's last post was reserve psychology.

This is so dangerous. There is no way we can use that comment from Jason to either town-read or scum-read Zack. The moment you think reverse psychology is maybe in play, you just got to leave it there. I wouldn't even see it on the face of one of my own family staring me in the eyes, let alone finding the reverse psychology in an unknown entity behind a costume account.

 

[rac]

I was referring to your tendency to not put down a vote at all until the last few hours where you aim to do so strategically.

Of course, in hindsight you were intentionally acting scummy in order to bait reactions so you could utilize your celebrity power. With that being the case, I still don't know why out of all of the people who openly read you as scum and were willing to place votes on you, you have been tunneling on me.

eh if i had to make a guess either you or green are scum

 

[Bulk]

This is so dangerous. There is no way we can use that comment from Jason to either town-read or scum-read Zack. The moment you think reverse psychology is maybe in play, you just got to leave it there. I wouldn't even see it on the face of one of my own family staring me in the eyes, let alone finding the reverse psychology in an unknown entity behind a costume account.

I agree, get that Jason post out of your head people.

But also, Zack's totally scum.

 

[Tommy]

I agree, get that Jason post out of your head people.

But also, Zack's totally scum.

I also don't have a really good feeling about Zack;

- Is raising suspicion on the lack of countereffort against a Jason lynch.
- What's up with his vote on Red Ranger Rac? Didn't that come a bit out of the blue? The justification he gave for it #1482, isn't enough. Rac was suspicious of Zack, linking Finster death to him. Maybe liked to get rid of him? #1518 we get a bit more explanation which makes it a bit better.
- Zack, I wonder why you went from Rac to Green Ranger and Trini. Why not Black ranger?

 

[Trini]

nonsensical maybe. I'm just saying where my head was at at the time. I was very wrong of course and I hate myself for that but hindsight and all...

Alternatively I was dead right about you trying to use yourself as bait to save Jason.

Your play is scummy. And has been scummy.

I still like Zach less than you.

 

[Trini]

This is so dangerous. There is no way we can use that comment from Jason to either town-read or scum-read Zack. The moment you think reverse psychology is maybe in play, you just got to leave it there. I wouldn't even see it on the face of one of my own family staring me in the eyes, let alone finding the reverse psychology in an unknown entity behind a costume account.

Fair point. Which is why I still scum read Zack regardless of that comment. See post #1520. He's on my big scum list.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

missed day start

getting caught up

one second

 

[Blue Ranger]

@Kimberly how are you taking things after your alter-ego got out man? We all make mistakes, and so I want to know what you think about Rita and Zach from yesterday. Thanks

 

[Blue Ranger]

Alright, to start with. I'm throwing away everything I may have thought before today and starting fresh. I didn't expect Jason to be scum at all so I'm obviously playing even worse than I thought I was. (and I was already playing badly)



To start with, this is a pretty ballsy post if you're scum. You replied to someone else with this.

Speaking of that other post



I'm not 100% certain but I feel like this might eliminate Zack as scum. It could be a bold strategy but I don't think scum, especially one who hasn't been around much to say something like this to one of their scum team mates.

I think analyzing the actual votes this time will be hugely beneficial for Town now that we've had a scum flip. I need to think more about this but it's pretty safe to say that there is probably at least one scum bussing Jason and most likely one scum on the other possible trains.

As it stands, on the Green Ranger train, we have Alpha 5 who is the only possibility on that train



This is their vote.

Before moving onto the other train (the one that was on me) here is the only person who voted for Alpha 5 who isn't a confirmed townie



This could be nothing but I wouldn't discount the possibility of scum team mates here. Scum voting for each other when they are not in the firing line.

Now with me, I admit, it is a lot harder for my train due to the way I was acting however, one I think is more likely than the other just from their vote posts



Regardless of how I feel about this, the reasoning is pretty sound that makes me feel they probably aren't scum.



He says he didn't like how the votes were piling on green which is fine since we don't know greens alignment. He also says he is fine with Jason or me so while I wouldn't discount scum here, I don't feel it's too likely at the moment at least.

Finally there is this vote:



This was a weak vote. Didn't like how votes were piling up on Jason/Green with Jason now confirmed scum makes me feel pretty uneasy on Rita.

They have also never had a vote on Jason whatsoever throughout both days. I'd almost say that if Rita flipped scum, it would clear Trini. Almost, can't discount scum vs scum. Even more so on D2 when Trini wasn't in the firing line as much as D1 (though D1 she was and Rita still went at her hard)

To sum up, I'd say my top suspicions are:

Rita
Alpha 5
Tommy

I'll try and look more in depth at the votes that piled on Jason later but I really wanted to look at who weren't on Jason first and then go from there.

Not really, I'm trying to be less aggressive so when I can't find a gif to explain my exasperation, well...

 

[Black Ranger]

Alternatively I was dead right about you trying to use yourself as bait to save Jason.

Your play is scummy. And has been scummy.

I still like Zach less than you.

I honestly can't fault your reasoning. I mean in your position, I would probably think the same.

 

[Black Ranger]

Not really, I'm trying to be less aggressive so when I can't find a gif to explain my exasperation, well...

Fair enough, it's just that it wasn't aimed at you and was just ...

It just felt off overall.

 

[Trini]

Also I will say based on vote record I trust Blue and Bulk. They could've saved Jason. They didn't. Doubly so if Black also ends up being scum. Because if they were all scum that would've been the preferable bus I imagine.

 

[Trini]

I honestly can't fault your reasoning. I mean in your position, I would probably think the same.

It is dangerous because I was right about Jason, but that doesn't mean I was right for the right reasons.

Zordon, Blue, Bulk: What do you think about Black and my dumb little theory?

 

[Blue Ranger]

I'm also unsure about Green Ranger because of the push for them near day end. It was both opportunistic and kind of deflated, since it seemed like a weak push.

 

[Trini]

Honestly I'm willing to trust Green at the moment.

https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?threads/176/page-10#post-20051

I mentioned this earlier and my thoughts don't really change. I think it makes more sense to look at the people who tried to push Green yesterday.

 

[Blue Ranger]

It is dangerous because I was right about Jason, but that doesn't mean I was right for the right reasons.

Zordon, Blue, Bulk: What do you think about Black and my dumb little theory?

In hindsight, it is a bit damning. Self-preservation votes are kind of expected for town unless they're imploding, and at this point it's a question of if Black actually imploded yesterday.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

fml at that flip

 

[Rita Repulsa]

also, sorry @Trini, you're clearly not scum after jason's flip

 

[Blue Ranger]

Honestly I'm willing to trust Green at the moment.

https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?threads/176/page-10#post-20051

I mentioned this earlier and my thoughts don't really change. I think it makes more sense to look at the people who tried to push Green yesterday.

I mean, circumstances make me want to believe Green, because his push was too timely when Jason was slated for death.

 

[Blue Ranger]

@Rita Repulsa Your reads changed quite a lot during the course of last day phase. Was there any unifying order to them?

 

[Trini]

also, sorry @Trini, you're clearly not scum after jason's flip

I mean it could be one hell of a bus, but thanks and don't worry about it. :)

Also mad props to the town bodyguard (who almost assuredly exists given the existence of a strongman).

Rita, note that I think you might possibly be scum. Though Zack and Black are higher on my lynch list.

 

[Black Ranger]

I would ask why scum didn't push more for me but I think anyone who believes I'm town knows why.

The doubting of me makes me an easy person to push towards today.

I can't really defend the way I've acted in the past, all I can say is, don't focus so much on it that you tunnel me until the end of the day.

 

[Trini]

I mean, circumstances make me want to believe Green, because his push was too timely when Jason was slated for death.

True, but I think if Green is scum we'll have more evidence later. It is definitely worth thinking about though.

We have a lot to work with. Yesterday's flip and vote was so juicy. And scum was denied a free no-info kill on rac.

 

[Trini]

I would ask why scum didn't push more for me but I think anyone who believes I'm town knows why.

The doubting of me makes me an easy person to push towards today.

I can't really defend the way I've acted in the past, all I can say is, don't focus so much on it that you tunnel me until the end of the day.

Honestly I think they thought they could push for Red first, then Red used his power. Plus I already had thrown around the idea that you were going to be biting the bullet for Jason. Which could explain why they didn't just bus you.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

fml at that flip

am town 1-shot bulletproof giver

and the person i gave it to just left the game

so it was wasted

fml

(AT LEAST THEY WEREN'T SCUM SO HAH!)

 

[Rita Repulsa]

otoh i must laugh at scum for losing their strongman

even when rita loses, she still wins

suckers

 

[Trini]

Black ranger votes for Red Ranger at #1417. Zack throws out a zero explanation vote for Red at #1422. Rita throws out her vote on Red at #1425. Alpha5 at #1426.

I doubt all four of them are scum (would be hilarious if so).

In rank order my scum rating on them is: Zack >> Black >> Rita >> Alpha5.

Vote: Zack

 

[Black Ranger]

am town 1-shot bulletproof giver

and the person i gave it to just left the game

so it was wasted

fml

(AT LEAST THEY WEREN'T SCUM SO HAH!)

That's convenient.

 

[Black Ranger]

In rank order my scum rating on them is: Zack >> Black >> Rita >> Alpha5.

Do you have any doubt over Alpha 5 as the only non-confirmed person on Green Ranger?

Why do you doubt Rita over Alpha?

 

[Black Ranger]

@Rita Repulsa why did you use your PR on Pink?

 

[Trini]

am town 1-shot bulletproof giver

and the person i gave it to just left the game

so it was wasted

fml

(AT LEAST THEY WEREN'T SCUM SO HAH!)

What the fuck is this claim for. Literally why.

 

[Zack]

Switchin' it up-a

>We want to make a game that avoids meta.
>Neutral role that wins by meta-reading players in costume.

(Good stuff.)

 

[Trini]

Do you have any doubt over Alpha 5 as the only non-confirmed person on Green Ranger?

Why do you doubt Rita over Alpha?

I have doubt over Alpha5 based on his D2 vote record. I need to look more closely at his D1 votes. But Rita also stands out more to me (for obvious reasons) and I rank her above. Especially now with this weird ass claim.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

@Rita Repulsa Your reads changed quite a lot during the course of last day phase. Was there any unifying order to them?

reacting to events as they happened.

but in light of jason flip, need to rethink all my reads.

trini is my top town rn. (****ing irony, how does it work?!)

@Rita Repulsa why did you use your PR on Pink?

top town read on n1 when i used it

was too widely town read despite trying not to be town read, so i panicked and used it an hour before actions were locked

What the fuck is this claim for. Literally why.

no point in hanging onto the information, why would i now that my pr role was wasted? better in the hands of town.

 

[Green Ranger]

Claiming just gives scum more information to work with. Unless you're withholding information, they know to focus their efforts elsewhere now in order to find a more useful PR to kill.

 

[Zack]

Also, ignoring what Jason said at day end to Zach because that's some high-tier WIFOM, his voting record looks preeetty bad.

Vote: Zack

I agree, get that Jason post out of your head people.

But also, Zack's totally scum.

 

[Skull]

Wow, never seen scum get so outplayed. So good to get a no kill night after a lynch like that.

Anyway, looking into the D2 votes now and Rita and Bulk come to mind, both for different reasons.

Rita pressed X for Jason for hours (she said she’d post some reads back at D1 already) and came through with maybe her most halfassed read in the game so far. Then pushed against his lynch for the rest of the day without actually town reading him at any moment. I’m now considering the possibility that Rita is using her fluff and flavor to pass of as a wild townie not afraid of missing, even if she ends up being dead wrong.
I mean, I feel like even if Trini flipped town others would lay off Rita due to how hard she pushed for Trini’s lynch.

“Would scum actually go in that hard on someone they know is town?”

That’s a really bold way of playing, but right now it’s definitely on my mind.

 

[Trini]

no point in hanging onto the information, why would i now that my pr role was wasted? better in the hands of town.

Why share that your PR is up?

Also you realize your claim is garbage right?

Town gets a 1 shot bulletproof but scum gets a 3 shot Strongman? Lmfao.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Why share that your PR is up?

Also you realize your claim is garbage right?

Town gets a 1 shot bulletproof but scum gets a 3 shot Strongman? Lmfao.

strongman being dead is the main reason for sharing, wouldn't have shared if not for that.

 

[Blue Ranger]

am town 1-shot bulletproof giver

and the person i gave it to just left the game

so it was wasted

fml

(AT LEAST THEY WEREN'T SCUM SO HAH!)

 

[Trini]

strongman being dead is the main reason for sharing, wouldn't have shared if not for that.

I dunno this doesn't feel completely wrong, but it does feel convenient. Your vote record isn't stellar either. Voting for Red right after Jason and Zack.

But I think there are bigger and better fish to fry.

 

[Blue Ranger]

Wow, never seen scum get so outplayed. So good to get a no kill night after a lynch like that.

Anyway, looking into the D2 votes now and Rita and Bulk come to mind, both for different reasons.

Rita pressed X for Jason for hours (she said she’d post some reads back at D1 already) and came through with maybe her most halfassed read in the game so far. Then pushed against his lynch for the rest of the day without actually town reading him at any moment. I’m now considering the possibility that Rita is using her fluff and flavor to pass of as a wild townie not afraid of missing, even if she ends up being dead wrong.
I mean, I feel like even if Trini flipped town others would lay off Rita due to how hard she pushed for Trini’s lynch.

“Would scum actually go in that hard on someone they know is town?”

That’s a really bold way of playing, but right now it’s definitely on my mind.

I was reading this expecting you to talk about Bulk too but it just ended. So...

 

[Trini]

Yeah still placing you on my possible scum list Rita. Nothing personal.

May I ask your thoughts about Zack and Black Ranger?

 

[Trini]

Yeah Skull, I'm gonna need some explanation on why Bulk seems scummy to you. His vote record says otherwise.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

looking over potential bus votes on jason, @Bulk makes me feel a little bit bad right now

was on jason for a lot of day 1, jumps to goldar at the end with a weak excuse

jumps on the jason vote at the near end of day 2

doesn't feel good, keep an eye on them

I dunno this doesn't feel completely wrong, but it does feel convenient. Your vote record isn't stellar either. Voting for Red right after Jason and Zack.

But I think there are bigger and better fish to fry.

Yeah still placing you on my possible scum list Rita. Nothing personal.

May I ask your thoughts about Zack and Black Ranger?

it's a pretty risky move to play, and potentially probably stupid

but this is the best game to play risk in, and im RITA ****ING RREPULSA THE GREATEST AND EVILIEST WITCH EVER

so i'm doing it. for science. for evilness.

and nothing personal taken

reading over votes right now, will tell you about Zack and Black later.

 

[Bulk]

Yeah that Rita claim is pretty convenient and if it was true their claiming now helps only scum. Very weird specially after all that fuzz after black claimed yesterday, why claim now if they're scum though? They don't look great but they weren't in hot water either.

Rita thoughts on Zack pls. And viceversa.

 

[Trini]

Had Bulk voted for someone else wouldn't it have been enough to save Jason potentially?

 

[Trini]

Yeah that Rita claim is pretty convenient and if it was true their claiming now helps only scum. Very weird specially after all that fuzz after black claimed yesterday, why claim now if they're scum though? They don't look great but they weren't in hot water either.

Rita thoughts on Zack pls. And viceversa.

Zack's I place at like.... 95% scum. His vote history, and lack of good solid posts. I'd feel really good about his lynch and be dumbfounded if he flipped town.

 

[Blue Ranger]

vote: black ranger

sorry black, but i don't like how votes are piling up on jason/green

The more I look at this, the more I wonder just what was going on? With almost no time until day end, was there actually going to be a pull towards BR? Sure Zordon hopped on, but at the moment he only had 3 votes in relation to Jason's 7. You not liking how votes were piling up on Green and Jason seems like a weak justification when you admitted to having a null read on BR.

So...I'm just wondering, were you trying to engineer a last minute hammer train or what?

 

[Bulk]

looking over potential bus votes on jason, @Bulk makes me feel a little bit bad right now

was on jason for a lot of day 1, jumps to goldar at the end with a weak excuse.

Yes I tunneled my partner Jason, 3-shot Strongman, for all of day 1 and most of day 2.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Rita thoughts on Zack pls. And viceversa.

no

you can't have them

trini asked first

so trini gets them first when im done readin

Had Bulk voted for someone else wouldn't it have been enough to save Jason potentially?

hmm, fair point

he did break the tie apparently

maybe not scum

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Yes I tunneled my partner Jason, 3-shot Strongman, for all of day 1 and most of day 2.

it's a good set up

that's how i'd play if i was scum

BUT

you broke the tie vote at the end of day 2

and you came in and were like NOPE DIE JASON

and then jason got hit by a car

so probably not scum

 

[Trini]

On D1 Zack placed an early vote on Finster at post #650 or so. Never once changed it. Not even on to me or Goldar. Easy way for him to hide a vote and get no blood on his hands. Also avoids having too many scum votes placed on one target since scum likely had votes on me and Goldar by end of day.

 

[Blue Ranger]

Had Bulk voted for someone else wouldn't it have been enough to save Jason potentially?

Realistically, maybe. It was 6-5-3 to Jason, GR, BR, with Rita and Zordon pulling it to 6-5-5 so...Bulk probably could've swayed the vote to for a tie.

 

[Trini]

it's a good set up

that's how i'd play if i was scum

BUT

you broke the tie vote at the end of day 2

and you came in and were like NOPE DIE JASON

and then jason got hit by a car

so probably not scum

Rita... literally what the fuck. You say Jason's flip clears me (because I tunneled on Jason D1 and D2), but Bulk does the same thing and its clever scum ploy?

What the fuck is happening. Is the scum team self imploding? Can you guys not communicate secretly?

 

[Zack]

Now I have to do a fresh reread of the game, since I was way off-base about Jason. And I'll give the accusing eyes some answers as well before starting to scumhunt. But I'll only have time for that tomorrow.

Without looking back and pulling posts from close to EoD, though, off the top of my head I can already suggest to the people looking at me to reread my posts and consider how I wasn't at all one of those who were trying to rile people up and push votes off of Jason, like Bulk did. I was scumreading Trini hard, and therefore it was hard for me to trust their push on Jason.

The fact that the Jason train was in the lead for almost 99% of the day phase made me believe that he was town. No matter what happened, it just didn't get overtaken.
Now that we have their flip, it makes me believe that at least one of their scummates were either:
1 - Bussing them from the get-go; or
2 - Among the very early votes in the other budding trains, like Trini and Black, trying to move the needle right from the start.
There were long stretches of time during which Jason led by a single vote. That would've been the perfect time for scum to tie it and swing the tides, but they never did.

And back to me - I was very open about my intentions in the last phase. I was very adamant and open about not wanting to lynch Jason all the way until their very last post - even after their lynch became a sure thing.
Jason's scummate would want to distance themselves from Jason at that point, and not double down on not wanting to lynch them.
So you can either think I planned it all along and feigned all those reactions, or you can see it for what it is: I was wrong.

My gut tells me Zack. I don't think Jason's last post was reserve psychology.

You can try to look into that post all you want, but you'll never get anything out of it. It's completely WIFOM, and if anyone bases their arguments on this one way or another, I won't even bother responding.

 

[Skull]

Bulk left a really early vote on Jason at D2 while he was away during most of D2 due to the weekend. The perfect position to be on a bus, considering he had pushed for Jason the day before, who almost got lynched.

After coming back to the game, Bulk started considering other trains and when we had a bit of momentum towards other lynchees, votes for Black Ranger. rac’s reveal changes everything and attention was drawn back to Jason. Bulk comes in last now on the vote.

Disclaimer that I’m not criticizing activity here, but the open ended vote Bulk left for most of the day while he couldn’t play got my attention. If he came back and Jason was getting hard piled already, he had his spot on the bus reserved. If he came back and things were messy, he could very easily change it around and push for others if need be.

 

[Blue Ranger]

it's a good set up

that's how i'd play if i was scum

BUT

you broke the tie vote at the end of day 2

and you came in and were like NOPE DIE JASON

and then jason got hit by a car

so probably not scum

Flip Flopping Flipper

 

[Trini]

You can try to look into that post all you want, but you'll never get anything out of it. It's completely WIFOM, and if anyone bases their arguments on this one way or another, I won't even bother responding.

Thank fucking god you look super scummy even without having to use that WIFOM post.

 

[Zack]

am town 1-shot bulletproof giver

and the person i gave it to just left the game

so it was wasted

fml

(AT LEAST THEY WEREN'T SCUM SO HAH!)

Immediate gut reaction to this before I go away: I don't believe you. There couldn't possibly be a more convenient claim for you right now.

 

[Zack]

Thank fucking god you look super scummy even without having to use that WIFOM post.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I guess you can't get 'em all right, Trini.

 

[Bulk]

Bulk left a really early vote on Jason at D2 while he was away during most of D2 due to the weekend. The perfect position to be on a bus, considering he had pushed for Jason the day before, who almost got lynched.

After coming back to the game, Bulk started considering other trains and when we had a bit of momentum towards other lynchees, votes for Black Ranger. rac’s reveal changes everything and attention was drawn back to Jason. Bulk comes in last now on the vote.

Disclaimer that I’m not criticizing activity here, but the open ended vote Bulk left for most of the day while he couldn’t play got my attention. If he came back and Jason was getting hard piled already, he had his spot on the bus reserved. If he came back and things were messy, he could very easily change it around and push for others if need be.

I like to have my vote on someone at all times and Jason was my top scum read then. I don't think I even phrased that initial vote as my "away" post, it's just how I play. If I had been inactive and vote-less on top of that, town would have less info now and in the future. I'll always take the active route, and placing a vote then was that.

 

[Blue Ranger]

Now I have to do a fresh reread of the game, since I was way off-base about Jason. And I'll give the accusing eyes some answers as well before starting to scumhunt. But I'll only have time for that tomorrow.

Without looking back and pulling posts from close to EoD, though, off the top of my head I can already suggest to the people looking at me to reread my posts and consider how I wasn't at all one of those who were trying to rile people up and push votes off of Jason, like Bulk did. I was scumreading Trini hard, and therefore it was hard for me to trust their push on Jason.

The fact that the Jason train was in the lead for almost 99% of the day phase made me believe that he was town. No matter what happened, it just didn't get overtaken.
Now that we have their flip, it makes me believe that at least one of their scummates were either:
1 - Bussing them from the get-go; or
2 - Among the very early votes in the other budding trains, like Trini and Black, trying to move the needle right from the start.
There were long stretches of time during which Jason led by a single vote. That would've been the perfect time for scum to tie it and swing the tides, but they never did.

And back to me - I was very open about my intentions in the last phase. I was very adamant and open about not wanting to lynch Jason all the way until their very last post - even after their lynch became a sure thing.
Jason's scummate would want to distance themselves from Jason at that point, and not double down on not wanting to lynch them.
So you can either think I planned it all along and feigned all those reactions, or you can see it for what it is: I was wrong.


You can try to look into that post all you want, but you'll never get anything out of it. It's completely WIFOM, and if anyone bases their arguments on this one way or another, I won't even bother responding.

WIFOM but I'm not going to presume Scum is always going to play logically, because that's ridiculous. I've seen both sides of the coin before, protecting and bussing, so I'll reserve judgement.

 

[Tommy]

Rita, weren't you the one who got pretty pissed about a vanilla town claim day 2?

 

[Rita Repulsa]

May I ask your thoughts about Zack and Black Ranger?

think zack might be scum

stayed on finster day 1 (why)

was on you day 2

but switched to red ranger on day 2

went back to you despite you clearly not getting lynched that day phase

doesn't look good. @Zack why you leave vote on trini at the end of day 2?

Rita... literally what the fuck. You say Jason's flip clears me (because I tunneled on Jason D1 and D2), but Bulk does the same thing and its clever scum ploy?

What the fuck is happening. Is the scum team self imploding? Can you guys not communicate secretly?

sorry, misuse of language right now. am trying to eat, and WAAAY too hyper and jumpy. you are not cleared per say in the game sense, just my top town

tie vote breaker is very strong in favor of bulk, despite my initial skepticism looking purely at the votes. he also top town for me now.

 

[Blue Ranger]

Yeah that Rita claim is pretty convenient and if it was true their claiming now helps only scum. Very weird specially after all that fuzz after black claimed yesterday, why claim now if they're scum though? They don't look great but they weren't in hot water either.

Rita thoughts on Zack pls. And viceversa.

Rita, weren't you the one who got pretty pissed about a vanilla town claim day 2?

*Shrug yes there was

 

[Bulk]

Zack, I'd argue that Jason was never a "sure thing" until very close to the end of the day, so I don't know how valid that "scummates would've wanted to distance themselves" thing is, specially after the post Red-reveal scramble.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Rita, weren't you the one who got pretty pissed about a vanilla town claim day 2?

yes, vanilla town claims are dumb

 

[Blue Ranger]

think zack might be scum

stayed on finster day 1 (why)

was on you day 2

but switched to red ranger on day 2

went back to you despite you clearly not getting lynched that day phase

doesn't look good. @Zack why you leave vote on trini at the end of day 2?




sorry, misuse of language right now. am trying to eat, and WAAAY too hyper and jumpy. you are not cleared per say in the game sense, just my top town

tie vote breaker is very strong in favor of bulk, despite my initial skepticism looking purely at the votes. he also top town for me now.

Man...what are your reads now exactly...as this moment I guess

 

[rac]

i dont see how you could even town read pink with a jason mafia flip

 

[Bulk]

yes, vanilla town claims are dumb

You just claimed vanilla town though. A used up PR that had 0 impact on the game and thus isn't required to solve anything is just that.

 

[Zack]

Zack, I'd argue that Jason was never a "sure thing" until very close to the end of the day, so I don't know how valid that "scummates would've wanted to distance themselves" thing is, specially after the post Red-reveal scramble.

That's literally what I was talking about. I stuck my ground against the Jason lynch even after it had reached 7 votes against 4 (?) of the second biggest train.

 

[Zordon]

Trini, as hard as I went on you before, I think you're pretty well cleared now so I would like to ask you why you think Bulk is in the clear? You said votes but to me his votes look very opportunistic. He says he tunneled Jason the whole game but it was really just over one unanswered question and not much else, and while he did vote there he moved the vote very opportunistically, but again, that was the Goldar lynch so it's harder for me to speculate since my re-read of that is post flip and the whole thing just looks not great to me.

Day 2 he's the very last vote on Jason with six minutes to go and despite "tunneling Jason for days" he is very inconsistent through yesterday.

Quick note: Looking at people voting for Red I got my hopes up because I saw @Zordon voted for him at some point, and I figured he'd noticed something or called him out for something earlier and I'd have a new scum read... only to have my dreams dashed by the fact that it was another prod vote T_T Zordon pls

Like this - but Red wouldn't have been a "brand new" scum read for Bulk and these other posts really seem like Bulk trying hard to manufacture a Red push, just as I think Bulk baited me into moving for Green (which I dumbly fell for - more later on that). And I never voted Red in the first place.

Ok then. I was going to say I was at a crossroads about whether to vote for Jason who I've been tunneling for 2 days or Red Ranger who I legitimately think just made a pretty terrible move but assuming he just bluffed some inexisting action my mind is made up.

My attitude since I came here today has been to try to force people to make decisions. I didn't want to move off of black because I wanted to see if that would make people jump from Jason/Black to Red. I was planning on changing but rac genuinely surprised me with his command.

It really reads to me like Bulk was just waiting to put his vote with everyone else on day 2 especially, and that wishy washy back and forth on what to do if you claim you've been "tunneling' someone is hard to swallow. The pushes for Jason could as easily be scum as town and it wouldn't be the first time we've seen deep bussing. The only thing that makes me hesitate is I find bussing the strong kill hard to swallow but if Black is also scum I think Bulk could be a teammate.

As for Green I really do think something is up with Green's play but the way people willingly followed me on that lynch without making cases of their own was a badfeel. The only one who had a reason was rac and at least we can know that was pure. I see there were questions for me in my absence though so let me go answer that.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Man...what are your reads now exactly...as this moment I guess

leaning scum: zack, black ranger

town: trini, bulk

still reading tho; didn't have motivation during the night phase.

 

[Zordon]

Rita, you yelled about claims and then made a claim that's mostly vanilla but can't be confirmed because the player left and you wonder why people find this untrustworthy?? Especially when now there are people suspecting you? Also you said this info is better in town's hands but how does it help reveal anything at all?

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Rita, you yelled about claims and then made a claim that's mostly vanilla but can't be confirmed because the player left and you wonder why people find this untrustworthy?? Especially when now there are people suspecting you? Also you said this info is better in town's hands but how does it help reveal anything at all?

see:

it's a pretty risky move to play, and potentially probably stupid

but this is the best game to play risk in, and im RITA ****ING RREPULSA THE GREATEST AND EVILIEST WITCH EVER

so i'm doing it. for science. for evilness.

 

[Tommy]

yes, vanilla town claims are dumb

Okay, so you probably left something back in day 2 to at least give us something of proof? Or was your tactic to wait for the first one to die?

 

[Zordon]

Zordon, Blue, Bulk: What do you think about Black and my dumb little theory?

Now that we know Jason's role it's a possible reason for Black painting a giant target on themselves. I really struggle with coming up for any other motivation to be honest.

 

[Bulk]

It kinda sucks to be getting scum read after I celebrated so much that one of my D1 tunnels turned out to be correct tbh, but I can live with it because of the good position we're in so eh

 

[Skull]

I like to have my vote on someone at all times and Jason was my top scum read then. I don't think I even phrased that initial vote as my "away" post, it's just how I play. If I had been inactive and vote-less on top of that, town would have less info now and in the future. I'll always take the active route, and placing a vote then was that.

You didn’t phrase it as such, I think you mentioned previously that you wouldn’t be able to play in the weekend though.

But anyway, that’s a cohesive explanation. The fact that having a vote down gives more info to town is something I never really considered, probably because I don’t usually put down votes during the first day of the phase.

I’ll reread Day 1 and review my feelings on this.

 

[Zordon]

see:

yes, I saw but my question back to you would be why are so many people in this game TRYING to look as scummy as they can? Is this 4d chess in the style of the orange leprechaun, as in the kind that gets half your people arrested or testifying about ethics issues?

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Day 2 he's the very last vote on Jason with six minutes to go and despite "tunneling Jason for days" he is very inconsistent through yesterday.

he and blue broke the tie vote tho in favor of a jason lynch

within a minute of each other

you think that's a scum bus there?