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[Zack]

Final post of the day because it's too much

think zack might be scum

stayed on finster day 1 (why)

Because Finster literally admitted they were being scummy the entire phase close to EoD.

You've now thrown shade at the entire D1 Goldar train, at the D1 Finster train, while admitting yourself that the Trini train you were so proud of was wrong. There's not a single vote you can't twist into a negative, huh?

was on you day 2

Like yours truly.

but switched to red ranger on day 2

When they made a contextless vote to pile on the leading train.

went back to you despite you clearly not getting lynched that day phase

doesn't look good. @Zack why you leave vote on trini at the end of day 2?

Why the fuck not? What even is the problem with putting down a symbolic vote against someone I'm scumreading when it's clear the lynch is already decided, and I'm against the leading train?

What is the scum move here? Tell me, please.

sorry, misuse of language right now. am trying to eat, and WAAAY too hyper and jumpy. you are not cleared per say in the game sense, just my top town

tie vote breaker is very strong in favor of bulk, despite my initial skepticism looking purely at the votes. he also top town for me now.

It is all coming together now.

You and Bulk are my biggest scumreads by far*

You with your constant, weightless throwing of shade at everyone who isn't doing exactly what you're doing, and with the most convenient claim, that helps literally no one but yourself - because it surely doesn't help town.

And Bulk, who moved people to look at Red while comfortably sitting on Jason, and is now posturing and trying to throw shade at those who followed their advice.

Trini voters: Consider red as an alternative? I don't think Trini's happening today.

*Pending reread.

 

[Zack]

VOTE: Rita Repulsa

Good night

 

[Bulk]

Trini I'm on mobile and can't find your Black theory can you link it, or I can look at it tomorrow, I'm not getting home early today.

 

[rac]

Wow, never seen scum get so outplayed. So good to get a no kill night after a lynch like that.

Anyway, looking into the D2 votes now and Rita and Bulk come to mind, both for different reasons.

Rita pressed X for Jason for hours (she said she’d post some reads back at D1 already) and came through with maybe her most halfassed read in the game so far. Then pushed against his lynch for the rest of the day without actually town reading him at any moment. I’m now considering the possibility that Rita is using her fluff and flavor to pass of as a wild townie not afraid of missing, even if she ends up being dead wrong.
I mean, I feel like even if Trini flipped town others would lay off Rita due to how hard she pushed for Trini’s lynch.

“Would scum actually go in that hard on someone they know is town?”

That’s a really bold way of playing, but right now it’s definitely on my mind.

not to mention putting shade on every lynch other than trini's i guess

 

[Skull]

Man, I really don’t like Rita’s claim. It’s completely unverifiable and also contradictory considering how hard she nagged us about BR’s claim.

 

[Skull]

On a side note, I was sure Jason was actually rac lol. Kinda curious to know who the hell that was, wish we flipped with our identities.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Because Finster literally admitted they were being scummy the entire phase close to EoD.

You've now thrown shade at the entire D1 Goldar train, at the D1 Finster train, while admitting yourself that the Trini train you were so proud of was wrong. There's not a single vote you can't twist into a negative, huh?

uhh

why wouldn't someone be looking there? goldar/finster flipped town

do you not look into flips or something?

 

[Bulk]

see:

I don't buy this. Still super suspicious of Zach but:

Vote: Rita Repulsa

This is not the same RP/charming flavor shtick you've had throughout this game. I want an actual reason for your claim, or for you to regret it I guess.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

I don't buy this. Still super suspicious of Zach but:

Vote: Rita Repulsa

This is not the same RP/charming flavor shtick you've had throughout this game. I want an actual reason for your claim, or for you to regret it I guess.

it's implied in the post you linked

 

[Zack]

uhh

why wouldn't someone be looking there? goldar/finster flipped town

do you not look into flips or something?

Yeah, nice selective quoting and deflection there. Even within your selective quoting you didn't even bother to react to my answer of the question you yourself asked.

And you're not looking there. You're just saying "oh, that's a bad vote" over and over again to every single vote that isn't yours.

 

[Skull]

2 options I'd say:

Pink was going to be NK'd but they exited

Or it was stopped by a protection role.

What if scum targeted Pink and she left before the kill could go through.

Am I fucking paranoid to think this is a scum slip and they both posted together the idea someone had at scum chat?

 

[Bulk]

Wait, Zach is voting for Rita.


...I'm OK with this

 

[Zordon]

he and blue broke the tie vote tho in favor of a jason lynch

within a minute of each other

you think that's a scum bus there?

I'd say if one of them is scum, the other isn't, but that late if you vote you can't go back. As close as it is, probably yes, it makes Bulk more likely to be town but after his play I'm reluctant to just clear him because of his play. He seemed to be playing kingmaker. If we hadn't just seen a neutral flip I'd swear he was neutral.

I just find it really troubling that Bulk sat on Black and not on Jason, his top scum read, while trying to whip up votes for Green and Red, and then had such a hard time deciding to vote for Jason, his top scum read. But there's other stuff going on that may be a better path. Just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Yeah, nice selective quoting and deflection there. Even within your selective quoting you didn't even bother to react to my answer of the question you yourself asked.

And you're not looking there. You're just saying "oh, that's a bad vote" over and over again to every single vote that isn't yours.

wtf are you talking about? been critical this entire day phase about how wrong my trini vote was.

vote:zack

also screw you for downplaying my ability, you scum.

 

[Zordon]

Thank fucking god you look super scummy even without having to use that WIFOM post.

This made me laugh.

Zack, I'd argue that Jason was never a "sure thing" until very close to the end of the day, so I don't know how valid that "scummates would've wanted to distance themselves" thing is, specially after the post Red-reveal scramble.

And this is I think true regardless of how I feel about your actions. It really does make me more likely to buy into the Black Ranger theory but I think I have to sit with it for a little while.

Idle thought is: I wonder who Zack is imitating today?

 

[Rita Repulsa]

I just find it really troubling that Bulk sat on Black and not on Jason, his top scum read, while trying to whip up votes for Green and Red, and then had such a hard time deciding to vote for Jason, his top scum read. But there's other stuff going on that may be a better path. Just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

i hate sharing the same bad taste with you, my mortal enemy.

 

[Tommy]

Am I fucking paranoid to think this is a scum slip and they both posted together the idea someone had at scum chat?

Seems paranoid to me.

 

[Black Ranger]

wtf are you talking about? been critical this entire day phase about how wrong my trini vote was.

vote:zack

also screw you for downplaying my ability, you scum.

wow, literal OMGUS vote here.

 

[Blue Ranger]

Am I fucking paranoid to think this is a scum slip and they both posted together the idea someone had at scum chat?

Dunno, it's a possible idea so I'd say paranoia. It's more likely the second just copied the idea from this thread.

 

[rac]

Anyway, I'm happy enough to leave Red in the game for now.

Until I see enough to justify taking my vote off them:

Vote: Billy

Vote: Red Ranger

Billy hasn't shown up again and with only an hour left to go, screw it. They will be warned or replaced if their activity keeps up since they are currently under the post count.

damn i was even voting to save you (something you didn't even wanna do yourself), i thought we were cool

anyways wanna tell me why you unvoted me the first time? just some general activity?

 

[Black Ranger]

damn i was even voting to save you (something you didn't even wanna do yourself), i thought we were cool

anyways wanna tell me why you unvoted me the first time? just some general activity?

I was unhappy with Billy posting a little in D1 to get over 10 posts and then nothing. D2, he posted some observations that were nothing more or less so I hoped a vote would force him into some more activity but instead it was nothing and now he's been replaced?

That's pretty much why I unvoted off of you but I was/have been wrong about the whole game so there is that...

Town reading scum, scum reading someone who is now confirmed town.

Yay me... :(

 

[Trini]

yes, vanilla town claims are dumb

Yet you're claiming basically vanilla town now.

 

[rac]

doesn't one shot bulletproof seem pretty weak with a three shot strongman?

 

[Trini]

Zordon you may be right and I'm clearing Bulk too easily. I wouldn't say I fully view him as town. Only person I trust fairly well right now is Blue I think.

 

[Trini]

And well. Rac too. I trust Rac obviously.

And yes one shot BProof seems weak with 3 shot strongman.

 

[rac]

Zordon you may be right and I'm clearing Bulk too easily. I wouldn't say I fully view him as town. Only person I trust fairly well right now is Blue I think.

i agree

 

[rac]

Yay me... :(

sometimes we just gotta trust scum more than we trust ourselves

 

[Sawneeks]

==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start

rita repulsa (3 votes)
rac - #1610
zack - #1702
bulk - #1708

zack (2 votes)
bulk - #1615 #1708
trini - #1645
rita repulsa - #1714

black ranger (0 votes)
trini - #1616 #1645

Post Counts:
trini: 25 rita repulsa: 19 black ranger: 16 blue ranger: 15 bulk: 15 rac: 10 zordon: 9 zack: 9 skull: 6 tommy: 6 alpha 5: 5 green ranger: 3

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

Day 3 ends in:

 

[Trini]

Trini I'm on mobile and can't find your Black theory can you link it, or I can look at it tomorrow, I'm not getting home early today.

Basically I believe Black may have been so... self-destructive yesterday as a way to try and save Jason from being lynched. My theory being that Jason was a PR scum and Black was not a PR scum.

Lo and behold, Jason ended up being lynched and was found to be a PR strongman scum.

 

[Trini]

Anyone else think this Rita/Zack argument might be fake? Zack votes for Rita, Rita votes for Zack.

If we end up lynching one of them and they flip scum, that does not clear the other. I feel like they might be trying to distance themselves on purpose at this point.

 

[White Ranger]

My thoughts on the day so far are that Rita's claim seems really weird to me, but it does fit the wild town persona she's been going for. I guess I'll have to decide if I think its really town having fun or scum hiding in plain sight. I'm also quite wary of how much Bulk is being townread over his tunnel on Jason. From memory he was campaigning real hard yesterday to get people to look at alternative lynches, which just seems bizarre to me given that he always maintained that he was scumreading Jason. As for him breaking the tie; consider that if he had not, people would surely have noticed that had an opportunity to make his most scumread player's lynch happen and pass it up. If he is scum, then his choice was either follow through and bus his teammate or draw attention to himself by aborting his tunnel at the 11th hour, at which point Jason would just get lynched anyway after his flip.

On a different note: was my read on Jason useful to anyone? I didn't see it spark any discussion and I think only Zordon even mentioned it, so if no one actually wants to see any further ones then I'm fine switching to a more conventional posting style. More from me once I get home.

 

[Alpha 5]

Between Finster, Rac, and everything else, I feel like I need to reboot my reads. I have clearly been chasing bad leads.

Right now, thanks to Jason's flip, I think my top town reads are, in descending order, Rac, Trini, Bulk. Rac is obvious. Now Trini could be scum, but I really doubt it now. That fight for survival felt too real. Likewise, Bulk's tunnel on Jason seems to go beyond scum bussing. Bulk wouldn't let that tunnel go. He did get cold feet for a moment, but still made a decisive vote.

I still haven't had much opportunity to go back and reread the thread for new leads yet. So, for now:

Vote: Tommy

We have had a bunch of replacements so far in this game. Enough that we can't entirely ignore the possibility that a member of scum team was replaced too. This is admittedly a placeholder prod vote, but I still would like to hear more from them.

The only vote we have from Tommy so far is a last minute vote on me that they admit was a weak vote, but they just wanted to vote for someone other than the Black Ranger or Jason.

I don't want to condemn them as scum just yet, but I certainly want to hear more from them.

 

[Alpha 5]

As far as today goes, I can't at all understand why Rita made an unforced claim like that. For starters, I really doubt that a 1-shot bulletproof giver fits into what we know of the game balance based on Jason's flip. More importantly, I don't know what she was hoping to accomplish by claiming. It isn't the sort to claim that helps town to know, and a claim like that doesn't build town cred. However, it seems like a foolish choice for a scum player to make.

Great, I am WIFOMing again.

As far as Trini's theory that Black tried to eat the lynch to protect Jason and his strongman kill goes, I am willing to believe in the possibility, but I am still skeptical. I'll go back and examine Black's posts more closely.

I was town-reading Zack before, but the end of Day 2 flipped all of my reads on their heads. I may need to reappraise that earlier evaluation.

 

[Trini]

Alpha5, mind pointing me to what in particular led you to town read Zack before?

 

[Skull]

Between Finster, Rac, and everything else, I feel like I need to reboot my reads. I have clearly been chasing bad leads.

Right now, thanks to Jason's flip, I think my top town reads are, in descending order, Rac, Trini, Bulk. Rac is obvious. Now Trini could be scum, but I really doubt it now. That fight for survival felt too real. Likewise, Bulk's tunnel on Jason seems to go beyond scum bussing. Bulk wouldn't let that tunnel go. He did get cold feet for a moment, but still made a decisive vote.

I still haven't had much opportunity to go back and reread the thread for new leads yet. So, for now:

Vote: Tommy

We have had a bunch of replacements so far in this game. Enough that we can't entirely ignore the possibility that a member of scum team was replaced too. This is admittedly a placeholder prod vote, but I still would like to hear more from them.

The only vote we have from Tommy so far is a last minute vote on me that they admit was a weak vote, but they just wanted to vote for someone other than the Black Ranger or Jason.

I don't want to condemn them as scum just yet, but I certainly want to hear more from them.

That’s a rather sudden vote to me. I still share some suspicions on Tommy from D1, but his replacement really cut any intention I had of voting there, since I can’t even separate what “each Tommy” did.

 

[Skull]

Anyone else think this Rita/Zack argument might be fake? Zack votes for Rita, Rita votes for Zack.

If we end up lynching one of them and they flip scum, that does not clear the other. I feel like they might be trying to distance themselves on purpose at this point.

I could see that happening, especially since both avoided taking a strong stance against Jason’s lynch and landed in a tought spot now.

I doubt that 2 scummies would be as active as both are right now though. They are linking themselves too hard after the flip of a teammate for me to consider this idea of yours.

 

[Yellow Ranger]

Anyone else think this Rita/Zack argument might be fake? Zack votes for Rita, Rita votes for Zack.

If we end up lynching one of them and they flip scum, that does not clear the other. I feel like they might be trying to distance themselves on purpose at this point.

Of course it shouldn’t clear the other in that scenario, but I do feel quite a bit worse about Rita right now. Her claim is weirdly timed, her defense for the claim has weak reasoning and is arguably contradictory to her D2 stance. it feels like she’s laying the “I was wrong about trini” aspect on a bit thick to me, her vote history is not that great, etc. D2 I feel like Jason vs rac vs Black was scum vs town vs town (rac is confirmed and I’ve felt Black was town since the D1 leader discussion). Rita seemed pretty wary of the Jason vote to the end, tried to push on red until it wasn’t an option, then was pushing for Black.

 

[Alpha 5]

Alpha5, mind pointing me to what in particular led you to town read Zack before?

It was that original argument Zack and Black had about the whole town leader stuff. At the time, I saw it as Zack doing a good job of putting pressure on someone in order to get more info out of them. That initial impression stuck.

 

[Alpha 5]

That’s a rather sudden vote to me. I still share some suspicions on Tommy from D1, but his replacement really cut any intention I had of voting there, since I can’t even separate what “each Tommy” did.

To be honest, I have a very poor read on Tommy. Their actions have left me with a null read and a limited understanding of their stances on a lot of other players. So I want to hear more from them about their reads and opinions.

 

[Black Ranger]

It was that original argument Zack and Black had about the whole town leader stuff.

Unless I'm misremembering, I don't think I even put much of an argument up on that. I just said I didn't feel I was town leader a number of times and didn't really press the issue much. It was others that called him out on that.

Again, I might be misremembering but that's how I remember it.

 

[Alpha 5]

I think I recall you usibg more colorful language than that.

 

[Alpha 5]

Damn you, no edit rule. Now my typos are preserved for all eternity.

 

[Black Ranger]

I think I recall you usibg more colorful language than that.

In the two pages where most of the town leader discussion happened, I only found this:

do you feel like you're a town leader right now?

Nope. Or at least I don't think so.

Are you maybe confusing it with my rather heated posts aimed at Goldar?

 

[Zordon]

And Bulk, who moved people to look at Red while comfortably sitting on Jason, and is now posturing and trying to throw shade at those who followed their advice.

*Pending reread.

Bulk was on Black though. Not Jason. Not until the end. Seems like a weird thing to get wrong.

 

[Zordon]

Unless I'm misremembering, I don't think I even put much of an argument up on that. I just said I didn't feel I was town leader a number of times and didn't really press the issue much. It was others that called him out on that.

Again, I might be misremembering but that's how I remember it.

A number of times=the bulk of your posts for an rl day

 

[Black Ranger]

A number of times=the bulk of your posts for an rl day

Reading the posts from above onwards... nope. I didn't mention the town leader thing or even interact with Zack too much at all.

 

[Blue Ranger]

I think I recall you usibg more colorful language than that.

To be completely fair, I vaguely remember Pink Ranger kind of shitting on Zack for bringing up town leader when no one asked and Black Ranger kind of just saying...'Nah' to the position. That's also what she used for BR's decreasing activity day 2.

 

[Zordon]

Reading the posts from above onwards... nope. I didn't mention the town leader thing or even interact with Zack too much at all.

Oh that's right. I went back and checked my own receipts. It was a lot of posturing that filled your day and random speculation about the game of mafia.

The colorful language mentioned above was a Goldar/Black Ranger situation.

 

[Alpha 5]

In the two pages where most of the town leader discussion happened, I only found this:


Are you maybe confusing it with my rather heated posts aimed at Goldar?

I recall a few people making a big deal over Zack's town leader comments, I came out of it with a good impression of Zack. If my memory is being this hazy though, that is a good reason for me to continue my earlier plan of abandoning my earlier reads and rereading the thread to find a new direction.

 

[Kimberly]

Bloody hell, I have some catching up to do.

Yay for Pink Ranger I guess. Boo because she was one of my strongest Town reads and had been good to bounce ideas off of.

No NK could be a delayed kill?

Or Rita could be telling the truth. I need to give that claim a proper read, just skimming this morning.

Jason flipping scum is suuuuuuuper interesting and now I feel that we have something substantial to work with. Going to start reading like crazy.

My next step is to look at the way the Green votes piled up. I did look at Green briefly yesterday but didn’t find enough to justify a vote, even though at one point Zordon seemed to be encouraging people to read Green (which is why I did) so I’m intrigued as to why he wanted everyone to look that way.

 

[White Ranger]

I must admit that the idea that Tommy could well be scum has been bouncing around in my head a bit recently. However, I don't think it fair for me to look into scumreading Tommy based on old Tommy's weirdness over his Goldar vote and a read on Jason that had to be rushed along with the day coming to an end. I'll be extending a similar courtesy to Billy and her upcoming replacement.

I'm reading through Alpha-5 at the moment, but I'm about to disappear for 3 hours and I might not finish that before I go.

 

[Black Ranger]

I recall a few people making a big deal over Zack's town leader comments, I came out of it with a good impression of Zack. If my memory is being this hazy though, that is a good reason for me to continue my earlier plan of abandoning my earlier reads and rereading the thread to find a new direction.

No, you're right about that, Just you said we were arguing and I made some colorful language in regards to that but I was hardly involved in the Town Leader discussion. I just wanted to clarify that I wasn't involved much in that at all.

 

[Kimberly]

Oh, I was gonna vote for Pink Ranger straight away.

Anyway, good job town on that previous day phase and specially me for blindly tunneling correctly! I knew I'd get it right someday finally.

Why would you have voted Pink???

 

[Kimberly]

@Kimberly how are you taking things after your alter-ego got out man? We all make mistakes, and so I want to know what you think about Rita and Zach from yesterday. Thanks

I mean obviously a little disappointed because Pink had been a good sounding board. Can now see why they were a little aggressive at the beginning.

Rita had been on my Town list but I want to take a proper look at the claim (on mobile on commute to work so just having a quick read just now).

Haven’t been keen on Zack RPing other players and that has clouded my judgement I think. It’s a v big distraction.

Again, I’m reading right now so got a lot of catching up to do

 

[Kimberly]

Okay I read the Rita claim wrong. Rita did you say you protected Pink on N1 rather than N2? (I skimmed past that and now can’t find it again on mobile).

This wouldn’t explain away the No Kill.

Also I get why Rita is claiming. The person she protected is gone and so it the scum who would have countered her.

Yes though it seems weak compared to how Jason flipped.

Ultimately I still want to trust Rita because she’s been one of my top Town reads all game and I don’t see why she would pull something like this as scum. A few people have been Town reading her. Don’t rwally see why she’d lie.

I could be very very wrong thohgh

 

[Kimberly]

reacting to events as they happened.

but in light of jason flip, need to rethink all my reads.

trini is my top town rn. (****ing irony, how does it work?!)



top town read on n1 when i used it

was too widely town read despite trying not to be town read, so i panicked and used it an hour before actions were locked



no point in hanging onto the information, why would i now that my pr role was wasted? better in the hands of town.

There we go. N1. Doesn’t explain why no NK.

I think it was either they targeted Pink who left before they could kill her. Or a delayed kill. OR maybe if Rita’s role seems weak it’s because there’s some other protectiveness role kicking about???

So many possibilities and headache incoming

 

[rac]

Why would you have voted Pink???

welllll day one pink said Jason was on the scum team

voted them and then switched to trini after about 100 posts

then didn't even vote for jason on day 2

 

[Skull]

There we go. N1. Doesn’t explain why no NK.

I think it was either they targeted Pink who left before they could kill her. Or a delayed kill. OR maybe if Rita’s role seems weak it’s because there’s some other protectiveness role kicking about???

So many possibilities and headache incoming

Would be really surprised if a 1 shot bulletproof vest is all we got protection wise, especially considering Jason’s flip.

I do think it’s possible that scum targeted Pink, who left the game and had a vest too, but I believe our doctor soaked up the kill somehow. Don’t think they’d target rac with their strongman dead though.

 

[rac]

Not having strong reads is the struggle.

I'm struggling to find a solid mafia read.

Not voting
Zordon (share reads)
Zack (the town leader thing got resolved quite well imo)
Skull (I'm successfully pocketed, gj)
Rita (Probably Town, definitely playing)
Kimberly (I'm too stubborn to put them in my town reads but not voting today)
Black (Probably Town, definitely playing)

That feels like a low amount of town reads but I think that is a solid core.

No real opinion
Bulk, Alpha 5, Billy

Kind of like but might be mafia
Tommy, Trini, Finster

Don't like but leaning town
Goldar, Red,

Scum is here
Yellow, White/Blue, Jason, Green

VOTE: Jason

I don't like how distant you are from the game and how few stances you have taken. You seem like a mafia who is observing the game rather than participating.

OK you are talking about Trini. And my thought is that most people are reading Zordon and Rita town, I know I am, then why hasn't anyone else followed onto that train. If it is a mislynch it is an easy one for scum to hide in. (unless my reads are completely off)

VOTE: Trini

Fuck it.

VOTE: Black Ranger

You're mafia. Your volume of posts is just your usual play. The content is bad and you are very wrong about the game. Let's go.

here says that jason is scum, votes stays on trini

day 2 when jason is being voted out stays on black

pointless to bring up now but w/e

 

[rac]

Also I get why Rita is claiming. The person she protected is gone and so it the scum who would have countered her.

i don't understand, you know pink didn't die right?

 

[Kimberly]

i don't understand, you know pink didn't die right?

I’m wording that wrong. It should have said that “so IS the scum that could have countered her” (a strongman kill)

 

[Kimberly]

here says that jason is scum, votes stays on trini

day 2 when jason is being voted out stays on black

pointless to bring up now but w/e

Was just curious about your pink thinking is all but thank you

 

[Tommy]

To be honest, I have a very poor read on Tommy. Their actions have left me with a null read and a limited understanding of their stances on a lot of other players. So I want to hear more from them about their reads and opinions.

I mean, obviously. I would expect a null-read on me at this moment. I've done basically nothing other than that vote on you. And today I've only threw some compliments towards two rangers and Trini. And a slight suspicion on Kimberly. You are totally right to expect more from me. Luckily, things are slowing up a bit, so I can catch up.

If you have a case against me based on Tommy before replacement. Please attack me now for it, so we can be done with it. I'm a different person and I do not like to be confronted with it later in the day. So since I'm still on people's mind for old Tommy reasons. Please explain them to me know and I'll try to defend myself, but I don't think it's really fair. Just saw it coming around now and I like to get it out of the way. I see something about a weird vote on Goldar?

 

[Tommy]

I'm going to vote Kimberly for now. It's based on the following;

- She wanted to reread Blue Ranger, but I think I never saw it. Didn't find anything or didn't do it? I can see the latter, because there were other priorities Day end.
- Focuss on Black Ranger, who is getting heat from a lot more people. Puts an easy vote on him for having posts but no contributions. Vote stays there, altought we were promised she would take a stance on Jason (after a reread where she think Jason is suspicious) to be town or scum. Don't think I saw it. Also the vote for black was going to make it a 4-3 Jason vs Black vote, if it wasn't for Zoldar just unvoting. So it ended up being the 4-2.
- I just think there was a weird distance between Jason and Kimberly.

Vote: Kimberly

 

[White Ranger]

I don't think Rita's claim is particularly scummy, as it is consistent with her style so far with this game. I've been town-reading Rita so far, but it is the time now where I need to start re-examining the reads I made based on old info.

I'm not sure what to think about Alpha 5; While his votes and pressure on Red and Green Ranger were consistent and feel sincere to me, he did skirt around Jason wiithout taking a definite stance on him in day 2. All I'm seeing are non-committal statements like:

I don't actually disagree with the two current vote leaders: Jason and Trini. However, I am worried that we are letting a lot of potential scum candidates slip by without much pressure at all.

As far as Jason goes, the main case against him has been his erratic and inconsistent reads on people: reading them town one moment and scum the next. Now, I didn't think his Day 1 activity was necessarily scummy so much as haphazard. However, his sudden and poorly-explained changes in reads and such continue to be head-turning.

I was okay with the Trini vs Jason showdown since it might resolve some questions, but if I can catch one of my big scum reads I'll go for it.

While I don't think that is worth scumreading him over, it is nagging me a fair bit so I can't in townread him either.

 

[Green Ranger]

The votes on Rita got me to look at how Jason treated them and a good chunk of their posts on day 1 mentioned Rita in some form. The main conclusion that they came to was this.

The more I think about the day, the more I am convinced that Rita is town having a truly fun time with the game. I was wrong about Rita at day start. Its dedication there.

It's hard to say if this is scum trying to get on the side of a town member or painting someone on their team in a positive light. Ritas claim is bad but I can understand how a town member might have thought it was a good idea.

 

[Tommy]

For me the claim thing from Rita makes no sense. I admit I didn't search back for it, but I asked Rita and I didn't get a response. But if you was planning on giving it to someone you'd leave a trace of that I guess? Rita admitted it was an unplanned use, so I give her that. But at least give us something on Day 2. Now it's just weird and useless.

She also felt like the lynch on Jason was going to easy, but can't blame her for that because I had the same feeling.

 

[Kimberly]

I'm going to vote Kimberly for now. It's based on the following;

- She wanted to reread Blue Ranger, but I think I never saw it. Didn't find anything or didn't do it? I can see the latter, because there were other priorities Day end.
- Focuss on Black Ranger, who is getting heat from a lot more people. Puts an easy vote on him for having posts but no contributions. Vote stays there, altought we were promised she would take a stance on Jason (after a reread where she think Jason is suspicious) to be town or scum. Don't think I saw it. Also the vote for black was going to make it a 4-3 Jason vs Black vote, if it wasn't for Zoldar just unvoting. So it ended up being the 4-2.
- I just think there was a weird distance between Jason and Kimberly.

Vote: Kimberly

Hi there. So let me answer your complaints.

First of all, yes, I got distracted and didn’t do a reread of Blue. I will do my best to get back on that and I apologise.

I don’t see this distance between myself and Jason that you’re painting. I spoke up when Jason claimed to agree with me but seem to understand what I was actually saying and I did a read of him towards the end of the day. To be honest, at the time I was probably tunnelling on Black so no I saw Jason’s behaviour more as bad plays rather than scum and I was wrong there.

The problem here is that’s not exactly what I was saying. I was responding to a post that was wondering why Trini wasn’t killed instead

Okay, I've had the chance to give Jason a read over. There isn't one cohesive line of thought here. Jason is all over the place. First of all, yesterday's vote:



Claiming to trust White and Trini enough to follow their votes is odd. I was watching Trini at the time and was too caught up in why she was all "hey, what have I done to earn trust" but now looking at Jason's behaviour today, this seems to be a pattern from Jason (more to follow, bear with me)





^Votes Trini immediately after Trini votes him^



^Attempts to justify not trusting Trini after trusting the day before^



Something about Jason's Trini vote reeks of OMGUS. He voted her right after she voted for him. And then spent the rest of the day becoming more and more convinced. The weird thing as well is that he seemed to reach out to Rita (who is also on the verge of a Trini tunnel and he knows this) to ask why Trini. but then didn't even see Rita's response (which had links and did seem to justify Rita's approach to Trini) and complained about Rita's lack of said reply. Then when it is pointed out to him that Rita did reply, responds "oh yes, definitely scum".

Kind of felt like he was only calling out Rita in an attempt to get someone to back him up on this. Like he wasn't actually that fussed about the response, just needed someone to echo his thoughts. Not convinced on this need to look to the votes of others to justify his own.

Now to decide as to whether this is scum behaviour or just poor decision-making on Jason's part.

Also I think you’re stretching a little with my vote for Black being one to try to mess with the numbers on Jason at that time. I voted him because at that time he seemed scummiest to me. And I don’t think that was me resorting to an easy vote. I spoke about Black plenty yesterday and interacted with him, explicitly voicing my concerns and his answers didn’t help me find him any less scummy. Hence my vote for him rather than Jason.

Also, while I’m here. Since you were asking who had concerns about your predecessor, here were mine from day 1:

I think the issue is the fact that it appeared to be a prod vote and your unvote seemed to confirm that but then your justification made it seem like there was a grander scheme going on in your head. (Saying that you wanted a reaction from the unvote and then explaining why Goldar still seemed scummy even though you had just unvoted).

Seems like you were keeping your options open so that you could resort back to a Goldar vote if you needed to. And I’m afraid that comes off as a little scummy.

On that note:

Vote: Tommy

I don’t currently hold any of these qualms against you. You weren’t here for any of these actions so I don’t expect you to justify things you didn’t do.

 

[Zordon]

The votes on Rita got me to look at how Jason treated them and a good chunk of their posts on day 1 mentioned Rita in some form. The main conclusion that they came to was this.

It's hard to say if this is scum trying to get on the side of a town member or painting someone on their team in a positive light. Ritas claim is bad but I can understand how a town member might have thought it was a good idea.

Considering the pressure on Jason, maybe trying to create links between himself and others in case of lynching. I wonder.

I will say this about Rita and Zack: if one is scum I bet the other isn't. I don't think scum team would be likely to both be hitting the RP/flavor like that. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like a risky and unnecessary move for a scum team even if Zack's RP is lower key and a different type.

 

[Zordon]

I will say this about Rita and Zack: if one is scum I bet the other isn't. I don't think scum team would be likely to both be hitting the RP/flavor like that. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like a risky and unnecessary move for a scum team even if Zack's RP is lower key and a different type.

Wait...looking back at that fight between them, it does look really bad on Rita's side. I am not sure how I'm reading Zack today but Rita's defense overall is not great today. And that claim.

Don't much like this either:

i hate sharing the same bad taste with you, my mortal enemy.

So right now you're scumreading two people voting for you? Do you have any other reads today?

 

[Tommy]

First of all, yes, I got distracted and didn’t do a reread of Blue. I will do my best to get back on that and I apologise.

No need to apologise. Just wanted to point it out. Would've been more harmful if blue was in the mix at day end.

I don’t see this distance between myself and Jason that you’re painting. I spoke up when Jason claimed to agree with me but seem to understand what I was actually saying and I did a read of him towards the end of the day. To be honest, at the time I was probably tunnelling on Black so no I saw Jason’s behaviour more as bad plays rather than scum and I was wrong there.

My problem here is that you came with a read over Jason posts. And while the content of it isn't that bad, it is the last sentence that hits me the wrong way: "Now to decide as to whether this is scum behaviour or just poor decision-making on Jason's part." You had all the reason to come back on this, but it seems like you didn't and slept on your Black Ranger vote.

 

[Tommy]

I don’t currently hold any of these qualms against you. You weren’t here for any of these actions so I don’t expect you to justify things you didn’t do.

Noted and appreciate it.

 

[Kimberly]

No need to apologise. Just wanted to point it out. Would've been more harmful if blue was in the mix at day end.



My problem here is that you came with a read over Jason posts. And while the content of it isn't that bad, it is the last sentence that hits me the wrong way: "Now to decide as to whether this is scum behaviour or just poor decision-making on Jason's part." You had all the reason to come back on this, but it seems like you didn't and slept on your Black Ranger vote.

My sleeping on my Black vote seemed to involve a lot of questioning of and discussion of Black though. I put it down when I thought he was scum. Yes, I Put forward some thoughts on Jason but then ultimately got more caught up on what Black was saying at the time. Surely sleeping on my vote would have involved dropping it during the day and not engaging?

 

[Kimberly]

Noted and appreciate it.

No worries. And I don’t feel like that’s something you need to get worried about at all really. Surely if someone has problems with something you can’t answer then they’re just trying to pick holes in you. Don’t see how you can speak for someone who’s not there.

 

[Zordon]

My sleeping on my Black vote seemed to involve a lot of questioning of and discussion of Black though. I put it down when I thought he was scum. Yes, I Put forward some thoughts on Jason but then ultimately got more caught up on what Black was saying at the time. Surely sleeping on my vote would have involved dropping it during the day and not engaging?

What do you think of him now? (bolded is mine)

 

[Kimberly]

What do you think of him now? (bolded is mine)

Should probably have worded that as “when I decided”.

I haven’t seen anything to clear him yet. Still don’t feel great.

 

[Tommy]

My sleeping on my Black vote seemed to involve a lot of questioning of and discussion of Black though. I put it down when I thought he was scum. Yes, I Put forward some thoughts on Jason but then ultimately got more caught up on what Black was saying at the time. Surely sleeping on my vote would have involved dropping it during the day and not engaging?

Let's talk trough it; Your main reason for the vote on Black was your growing annoyance of his playstyle right? Lot's of noise, little contribution? Is that correct?
You were showing your frustration at black for a while now and your vote in that regard was justified. But it came at a pretty fortunate time to oppose something to the Jason train. I admit it's a stretch, but it's there.

Then following it's your post about Jason which I mentioned before.

It's followed by a few posts questioning and criticizing Black, which is I guess the point you are making now. You continued with your focus on him.

Then followed a read on Green Ranger, resulting in the conclusion you didn't see yourself voting there. Ok, fair enough.

Then back to black only.

So yes, your point is valid that you voted black and kept pressuring and questioning and suspecting Black. But you never look anywhere else anymore (only the quick skim on green) and that's what I mean by sleeping on your vote. Your stance on black was obvious pretty early already and it just seemed like you didn't want to look anywhere else.

But that's enough of a focus from me regarding you now. Don't want to make the same mistake.

 

[Green Ranger]

Considering the pressure on Jason, maybe trying to create links between himself and others in case of lynching. I wonder.

I will say this about Rita and Zack: if one is scum I bet the other isn't. I don't think scum team would be likely to both be hitting the RP/flavor like that. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like a risky and unnecessary move for a scum team even if Zack's RP is lower key and a different type.

Potentially. Though it was early on day 1 so it's hard to say if they were thinking that far ahead at the time.

 

[Kimberly]

Let's talk trough it; Your main reason for the vote on Black was your growing annoyance of his playstyle right? Lot's of noise, little contribution? Is that correct?
You were showing your frustration at black for a while now and your vote in that regard was justified. But it came at a pretty fortunate time to oppose something to the Jason train. I admit it's a stretch, but it's there.

Then following it's your post about Jason which I mentioned before.

It's followed by a few posts questioning and criticizing Black, which is I guess the point you are making now. You continued with your focus on him.

Then followed a read on Green Ranger, resulting in the conclusion you didn't see yourself voting there. Ok, fair enough.

Then back to black only.

So yes, your point is valid that you voted black and kept pressuring and questioning and suspecting Black. But you never look anywhere else anymore (only the quick skim on green) and that's what I mean by sleeping on your vote. Your stance on black was obvious pretty early already and it just seemed like you didn't want to look anywhere else.

But that's enough of a focus from me regarding you now. Don't want to make the same mistake.

If I tunnelled I apologise. But tunnelling doesn’t necessarily equate to scum behaviour though does it? My mistake would be tunnelling, not attempting to take attention away from a teammate I don’t have.

I take it that vote won’t be staying on me then if you don’t want to repeat any of my mistakes?

 

[Zack]

Alright, time to quote some stuff I didn't address yesterday.

I also don't have a really good feeling about Zack;

- Is raising suspicion on the lack of countereffort against a Jason lynch.

And I still do. Think about it: we've successfully managed to lynch scum after keeping them as the vote lead for 98% of the phase. Isn't that weird?

I've talked some more about this here.

- What's up with his vote on Red Ranger Rac? Didn't that come a bit out of the blue? The justification he gave for it #1482, isn't enough. Rac was suspicious of Zack, linking Finster death to him. Maybe liked to get rid of him? #1518 we get a bit more explanation which makes it a bit better.

That vote wasn't without context. It may have seemeed to "come a bit out of the blue" because I put it down just as I'd returned from being AFK.

But before I did, I openly voiced being concerned with how unopposed the Jason lynch seemed:

Zyaaaaa isn't particularly bothered by the Jason lynch... But it's impossible to shake the feeling that it's the second coming of the Goldar lynch train. There's no resistance to it at all. Votes are just piling there without any of the other trains ever threatening it.

Then I said I'd be AFK:

Zyaaaa will be afk for an hour or so, but will be back before day end to pass on ultimate judgment

May Sawneeks and melonrabbit have mercy upon our souls

And then when I came back, rac had made a contextless vote that only added to the Jason train's lead:

Yeah I don't buy that Black is scum.

Vote: Jason

And so I voted for him, because from my perspective of being bothered by the Jason train, that vote seemed incredibly scummy.

Piling it on there without any context.

- Zack, I wonder why you went from Rac to Green Ranger and Trini. Why not Black ranger?

I simply felt worse about Green and about Trini than I did about Black.

 

[Zack]

Zack throws out a zero explanation vote for Red at #1422.

See above.

Zack's I place at like.... 95% scum. His vote history, and lack of good solid posts. I'd feel really good about his lynch and be dumbfounded if he flipped town.

A post made less than 2 hours into the phase. The tunnel is real.

On D1 Zack placed an early vote on Finster at post #650 or so. Never once changed it. Not even on to me or Goldar. Easy way for him to hide a vote and get no blood on his hands. Also avoids having too many scum votes placed on one target since scum likely had votes on me and Goldar by end of day.

Hiding from people who only look at the votals is always easy (and even then, what you're saying is a lie because I'd also voted for Blue.)

I spent the entire phase confronting people. Bulk, Pink, Blue, and, yes, Finster. I wasn't hiding at all.

Don't make up false narratives to reinforce your own tunnel.

WIFOM but I'm not going to presume Scum is always going to play logically, because that's ridiculous. I've seen both sides of the coin before, protecting and bussing, so I'll reserve judgement.

I don't know what part of my post you're talking about here. I don't believe I ever claimed anything of that sort.

 

[Zack]

think zack might be scum

stayed on finster day 1 (why)

Because Finster literally admitted they were being scummy the entire phase close to EoD.

I answered this and you didn't bother to comment on it further.

doesn't look good. @Zack why you leave vote on trini at the end of day 2?

Why the fuck not? What even is the problem with putting down a symbolic vote against someone I'm scumreading when it's clear the lynch is already decided, and I'm against the leading train?

What is the scum move here? Tell me, please.

I answered this and you didn't bother to comment on it further.

wtf are you talking about? been critical this entire day phase about how wrong my trini vote was.

Yeah. Reality forced your hand. But that only means you're now perfectly positioned to jump at all other Trini votes as well, like you recently did at mine. You've also criticized all D1 Goldar and Finster votes.

You've been using criticism of other people's votes since even before D1 was over as a clutch despite the fact that your voting record is one-note and positively awful as well. And you often bring other people's votes up, but then don't follow up when confronted back (look above). It smells like you don't really care about the votes at all.

also screw you for downplaying my ability, you scum.

 

[Zack]

Idle thought is: I wonder who Zack is imitating today?

Anyone else think this Rita/Zack argument might be fake? Zack votes for Rita, Rita votes for Zack.

If we end up lynching one of them and they flip scum, that does not clear the other. I feel like they might be trying to distance themselves on purpose at this point.

I was town-reading Zack before, but the end of Day 2 flipped all of my reads on their heads. I may need to reappraise that earlier evaluation.

That is a good read, though.

 

[Tommy]

If I tunnelled I apologise. But tunnelling doesn’t necessarily equate to scum behaviour though does it? My mistake would be tunnelling, not attempting to take attention away from a teammate I don’t have.

I take it that vote won’t be staying on me then if you don’t want to repeat any of my mistakes?

Correct, but it looks scum to me when you combine it with your read on now scum Jason with no conclusion, which also never followed.

Vote could stay on you, could end up elsewhere. Just means I'm going to assess other people now and look at other stuff which could result in a vote on somebody else. Repeating your mistake would be to vote you now (which I did), but stop looking elsewhere. I'm going to look elsewhere.

 

[Trini]

Where was this Zack a few days ago?

 

[Skull]

Did a D1 reread on Bulk, and I feel better on him. His early vote on Jason was the result of a weird back and forth after Jason ignored Bulk’s questioning of the understanding of the game mechanics. Reading it and it feels genuine, and I can’t see scum nitpicking a teammate like this so soon into the game.

Left as an exercise for the reader.

The quick explanation of the vote is also in line with what he said today about his D2 vote.

 

[Skull]

Where was this Zack a few days ago?

I haven’t paid attention to Zack so far, but do you think he’s different today?

I don’t, but drastic changes in a player posting after a scum flips is a huge scumtell to me.

 

[Zordon]

Where was this Zack a few days ago?

Pretending to be someone else.

Work is very chaotic today so I'm not sure how much I will be here until tonight. I want to leave a vote though on the person I still feel worst about right now.

vote: Black Ranger

 

[Zordon]

I haven’t paid attention to Zack so far, but do you think he’s different today?

I don’t, but drastic changes in a player posting after a scum flips is a huge scumtell to me.

there is definitely a possibility that his cycling through various personas is a scum cover. For sure his level of analysis and engagement has changed based on who he is mimicking at the time.

 

[Kimberly]

Correct, but it looks scum to me when you combine it with your read on now scum Jason with no conclusion, which also never followed.

Vote could stay on you, could end up elsewhere. Just means I'm going to assess other people now and look at other stuff which could result in a vote on somebody else. Repeating your mistake would be to vote you now (which I did), but stop looking elsewhere. I'm going to look elsewhere.

Where else have you started to look? Who’s caught your eye today?

 

[Alpha 5]

Well, I certainly can't fault Tommy's current level of engagement in the game. I have a much better feel for the player now.

Unvote

I'm caught up with this morning, but I still need to go back and do some rereading. I'll put down a new vote after that.

 

[Tommy]

Where else have you started to look? Who’s caught your eye today?

Obviously Rita, but that's the easy answer. Would be more mentionable if she didn't catch my eye today. To give a bit more weight to it and to answer your first question, I'm going to look into people who piled on Trini and people who voted Rac. I already felt good about Trini and Jason scum flip confirmed that to me. Rita was one of those on Trini.

More on my to-do list atm is the Black Ranger. I also didn't like his play on day 2 up untill where I'm now. So I'm going to see what's there. He seemed to have lightened up a bit today.

Also Zack. Questionmark leaning negative for me atm.

 

[Tommy]

To add to that I'm also going to reread Alpha. He at least deserves that after my weak vote yesterday.

 

[Green Ranger]

I reread Alpha since I was weary of them yesterday but I'm not seeing much. Some indecisiveness around Jason and then weird voting behaviour on day 1 but nothing else sticks out. The voting from day 1 was what got my attention in the first place but there's not much else I can point at as suspicious.

 

[Sawneeks]

Billy has been Replaced

 

[Kimberly]

welllll day one pink said Jason was on the scum team

voted them and then switched to trini after about 100 posts

then didn't even vote for jason on day 2

Wait a minute, I asked Bulk this and rac answered. I mean thanks rac but I’d like my initial question answered.

Bulk. Could you answer this please?

 

[Kimberly]

Zordon you may be right and I'm clearing Bulk too easily. I wouldn't say I fully view him as town. Only person I trust fairly well right now is Blue I think.

Could you explain what you’re seeing from Blue that’s gained your trust?

 

[Tommy]

I reread Alpha since I was weary of them yesterday but I'm not seeing much. Some indecisiveness around Jason and then weird voting behaviour on day 1 but nothing else sticks out. The voting from day 1 was what got my attention in the first place but there's not much else I can point at as suspicious.

What did you think of Alpha's vote on Red Ranger (rac afterwards) yesterday?

 

[Kimberly]

Bulk, it’s more that I find Trini’s certainty and tunnel vision forced. Maybe I’m wrong. It it feels like reaching dressed in faux logic. Of course if Jason is flipped and is scum there are connections. But lookig only at people who didn’t vote for him seems very limited especially if you say it in the thread. That’s like yelling SCUM COME BUS NOW.

Zordon, yesterday you suggested looking for connections if Jason flips scum. What connections are you starting to see after this flip?

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Billy has been Replaced

HELLO NEO BILLY

are you scum?