Mario & Luigi's Brooklyn Apartment - Scum Thread

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
phew it's hard holding back posts when you really want to stick it to someone. Maol has absolutely nothing on me. His reasoning makes no sense and actually may have argued in my favor by saying I was countering the Alexem train?

I appreciate Natiko putting up a good fight on my behalf. :laughing:
 

LaunchpadMcQ

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I think I'm going to be skirting the line for awhile here. I don't think anyone is convinced enough to vote for me, but I'm not sure how the day is going to end yet, either. I think Natiko and Vere are going to be solid voices in my defense. Having healthy amount of suspicion on you is great for staying alive, as long as it doesn't tip too much to the side of actually getting lynched, so this might be a good thing coming out of D2 if I survive.

I've built up my CoolestSpot swap for day end, so it'll raise only a few flags when I swap over. Not enough for folks to be sure about me, but it'll help me survive hopefully.
 

jman1954goat

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About to swap votes to Brazil just to present options but yeah gonna lunch coolest today having two voices super strong against you is bad in such a small game (majority is only 4 tomorrow. Leave malfunction alive as the single guy to tunnel vision on you if he feels like it.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

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Yeah, leave Maol in the game is what I was thinking. I think Brazil might come around to his camp given another day, as well, but that’s ok. There was always a good chance both of us wouldn’t survive.
 

jman1954goat

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We will likely survive today then we just need to make it past day 3 and we have a decent chance of winning. on day 4 majority will be 3 The second just one person votes for anyone not us we can both hammer.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

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He is full of it.

On that note, do you think Maol investigated me and maybe that's why he's gone in so hard today?
 

jman1954goat

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He is full of it.

On that note, do you think Maol investigated me and maybe that's why he's gone in so hard today?
It's possible. He could be a good night kill he is going so hard for you traditional wisdom says it's weird to go after someone targeting you but we can create wifom do to that. If he really is investigator you are screwed when his role comes up but we can't leave him alive to investigate me too.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

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It's possible. He could be a good night kill he is going so hard for you traditional wisdom says it's weird to go after someone targeting you but we can create wifom do to that. If he really is investigator you are screwed when his role comes up but we can't leave him alive to investigate me too.
I think Natiko is a more dangerous player to keep around, so maybe we can roleblock Maol instead and kill him the following night?
 

LaunchpadMcQ

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Actually, I'm rethinking it and maybe Maol is the one that needs to go after all. Natiko thinks both Uzzy and I were town, and he also thinks Maol was town. If Maol dies, most folks are going to throw suspicion on me, but it'd be major WIFOM and there's an argument to be made there that it would be too obvious a kill.

Maol is also largely townread, as far as I can tell.
 

jman1954goat

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I hope they don't realize I was saving you. As soon it was clear to me natiko would vote uzzy over you I knew I had to force him to be the one to break the tie.
 

jman1954goat

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Actually, I'm rethinking it and maybe Maol is the one that needs to go after all. Natiko thinks both Uzzy and I were town, and he also thinks Maol was town. If Maol dies, most folks are going to throw suspicion on me, but it'd be major WIFOM and there's an argument to be made there that it would be too obvious a kill.

Maol is also largely townread, as far as I can tell.
I think it's time to use your ninja ability there are way to many eyes on you right now to use regular night kill. And coolest suggested checking me so I don't wanna send the kill either
 

LaunchpadMcQ

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Yeah, I think it makes sense that I send kill until I die. I'll make tonight's a ninja kill.

Ah, but the problem with Maol is still, if he's cop or motion tracker, his role being revealed will explain why he was targeting me. I even think it's likelier that he's a motion tracker because he took some time to think over his approach before attacking me. Either way, his role will throw suspicion on me.

I think Natiko would be a good kill, but Verelios was also just totally removed from the debacle at day end there. Natiko would likely be a vote in my favor tomorrow, but Verelios was goading Natiko into voting for me, which could be a problem. I think with Uzzy's flip, there's a chance Vere turns his attention to me.

Brazil would be a valid option, as well. He has a little more heat on him than Natiko and Verelios, but not as much as Z-Beat or Coolest who I think are just not in the picture.
 

jman1954goat

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Yeah, I think it makes sense that I send kill until I die. I'll make tonight's a ninja kill.

Ah, but the problem with Maol is still, if he's cop or motion tracker, his role being revealed will explain why he was targeting me. I even think it's likelier that he's a motion tracker because he took some time to think over his approach before attacking me. Either way, his role will throw suspicion on me.

I think Natiko would be a good kill, but Verelios was also just totally removed from the debacle at day end there. Natiko would likely be a vote in my favor tomorrow, but Verelios was goading Natiko into voting for me, which could be a problem. I think with Uzzy's flip, there's a chance Vere turns his attention to me.

Brazil would be a valid option, as well. He has a little more heat on him than Natiko and Verelios, but not as much as Z-Beat or Coolest who I think are just not in the picture.
I just feel like even with his role revealed we can control the story of we kill maol he doesn't get to tell his side and be a power role still alive that's safe from getting day votes that gains influence and is free of suspicion.
 

jman1954goat

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I just feel like even with his role revealed we can control the story of we kill maol he doesn't get to tell his side and be a power role still alive that's safe from getting day votes that gains influence and is free of suspicion.
Basically keep the most players alive as possible scum reads we can get the day votes to go to that's not us
 

jman1954goat

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Like as scum you would have too be crazy to kill someone after you this hard I really think we can get away with the malfunction kill its risky but I think now is the time to make big risk.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

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Like as scum you would have too be crazy to kill someone after you this hard I really think we can get away with the malfunction kill its risky but I think now is the time to make big risk.
I think you’re right. I’ll take the gamble that if Maol has anything, it’s thin enough that we can downplay it. Best case scenario, we read too much into it and he’s just vanilla.

NINJA: Maolfunction
 

jman1954goat

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Depending how malfunction role reveal goes I think I should start the day against you maybe even put a vote on you then slowly change my mind over the day to a different option to vote. Thoughts?
 

LaunchpadMcQ

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I think that should be good. Make sure to key in on some of the stuff I’ve said and gotten wrong. You were already expressing some suspicion on me before day end.

how I react is going to be more dependent on how that flip goes. I might wait either way to see what folks start saying; if they come at me from day start, I’ll start soft peddling that Maol was targeted to make me look back and take it from there.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

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I’ll just keep sheeping Natiko and pushing for Z-Beat today. I’ll try to sow some seeds of doubt on another lynch candidate for D4, but depending on who’s left alive tonight, you might be in the hot seat tomorrow. Like you said though, we just need the one vote on someone else and we can hammer on D4.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

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It's going to look like distancing, but that's perfectly fine as long as Z-Beat gets lynched today. I don't think anyone is super sold on you yet.
 

jman1954goat

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Pulling of a kill on z-beat will be clutch because it will remove the me z-beat scum team scenario and leave coolest as the wildcard tomorrow.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

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Coolest is definitely going to give us the win tomorrow. He’s just going to throw a random vote out and we’ll be able to seal it in.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

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The back and forth between Brazil and Verelios is going to work in our favor tomorrow. We might be able to get one of them to vote the other.
 

jman1954goat

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We need to be careful and sync up our hammer tomorrow nothing looks worse than throwing a random vote then the person unvotes before we can finish
 

LaunchpadMcQ

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I am going to claim piranha plant early doesn't matter if someone else has the role no one will be able to prove who is the real plant
What’s the role ability you are going to assign to that?

I think tonight, while killing Natiko, we should throw your roleblock on our best bet for who might have a role, as well.

There’s a very slim chance anyone saw me doing anything N1/N2, and no one suspects me anymore to use that ability on me N3, so I’ll just claim vanilla.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

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We need to be careful and sync up our hammer tomorrow nothing looks worse than throwing a random vote then the person unvotes before we can finish
And yeah, I think the timing will be important. We’ll have to be watching both chats, maybe turn on push notifications for the scum chat.
 

jman1954goat

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What’s the role ability you are going to assign to that?

I think tonight, while killing Natiko, we should throw your roleblock on our best bet for who might have a role, as well.

There’s a very slim chance anyone saw me doing anything N1/N2, and no one suspects me anymore to use that ability on me N3, so I’ll just claim vanilla.
I am trying to decide weather my Pipe ability allows me to swap with someone at night or swap two other people at night which sounds more believable.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

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I am trying to decide weather my Pipe ability allows me to swap with someone at night or swap two other people at night which sounds more believable.
Ok, I think swapping two other people makes more sense. It needs to have a limitation and we need to backtrack how you’ve used your ability so far.

Maybe the limitation is you can’t target the same player twice and you can’t target yourself. N1 you targeted Brazil and Coolest; N2 you targeted Maol and Verelios. N3 you can say you picked me and Natiko? Though that last one’s a tough sell because it’s two townread folks. It’s also a bit crazy for a normal complexity game, now that I type all that out...

There is a chance that if we don’t get the motion tracker killed or blocked N3, and they use their ability on you, you might be seen roleblocking though. That makes N3 explanation tricky.

We can revisit this when we see Z-Beat’s flip.
 

jman1954goat

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Ok, I think swapping two other people makes more sense. It needs to have a limitation and we need to backtrack how you’ve used your ability so far.

Maybe the limitation is you can’t target the same player twice and you can’t target yourself. N1 you targeted Brazil and Coolest; N2 you targeted Maol and Verelios. N3 you can say you picked me and Natiko? Though that last one’s a tough sell because it’s two townread folks. It’s also a bit crazy for a normal complexity game, now that I type all that out...

There is a chance that if we don’t get the motion tracker killed or blocked N3, and they use their ability on you, you might be seen roleblocking though. That makes N3 explanation tricky.

We can revisit this when we see Z-Beat’s flip.
I was gonna say it's was one time use and I didn't know were to use it. If we have a motion tracker I have not moved this game yet.
 

jman1954goat

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I was gonna say it's was one time use and I didn't know were to use it. If we have a motion tracker I have not moved this game yet.
If someone pushes why I haven't use my one time pipe switch its because of the trauma my kings bullet getting redirected during neir. I did not wanna make another mistake.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

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If someone pushes why I haven't use my one time pipe switch its because of the trauma my kings bullet getting redirected during neir. I did not wanna make another mistake.
Hmm yeah ok that’s a better play; I think the Nier story sells it. Let’s reassess after someone gets lynched today, hopefully it’ll be the motion tracker; if not, we can move forward with those claims.

We just need to throw enough shade on one player D4 to get someone to vote for them; this role claim will kill time.

Alternatively, worst case scenario, we can force a tie on D4 and I believe we still win. It’ll be 2-2 on D5 and they can’t get a majority.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Should I keep my vote on coolest or hammer z-beat at the end?
Put your vote on Z-Beat. With the seeds Natiko just planted, it’s not going to matter too much. You’re going to be in the hotseat regardless of how this spins out. They wouldn’t expect scum to outright hammer town like this, so it might buy us some points. But if you’re off-wagon on Coolest, I think it’s going to look a little worse.
 

jman1954goat

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I am going to keep my vote on coolest it makes the most sense with how hard I have pushed him the last 2 days and I think that consistency is worth more than being on train
 

jman1954goat

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I'm pushing a little shade on natiko before we night kill him we will see how people react I am confident I can spin natiko town reveal.
 

jman1954goat

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It's unfair that cool gets to post throwing suspicion on me after day ends when I can't even respond but i 'll try to use it against him tomorrow.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Maybe everyone is a goomba lol
dang, that's going to make it harder for me, but I think I can still skate by there.

I think we need to figure out who has a role and block them tonight, and hope Natiko isn't vanilla also.

It's unfair that cool gets to post throwing suspicion on me after day ends when I can't even respond but i 'll try to use it against him tomorrow.
Yeah, it's bogus when folks don't want to follow the rules like that. I don't think it's going to go over super well for his participation in future games, but that's not anything we have any control over. If you want to throw shade on him for that, go for it.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Not counting Natiko, here's who I think has a role:

  • Verelios - Seems to think it's not possible that the rest of the players are vanilla, but I'm not sure if that implies he's also vanilla. However, he also seems confident that we'll be able to solve the game if everyone role claims, which could mean he personally has something that could disprove others. He would be the hardest to refute if he has a role.
  • Brazil - He's been playing a pretty reserved game, which could mean he has a role. I think I would like to look through his posts and see if he's breadcrumbed something.
  • Coolest - Unlikely to have a role. I think he would have roleclaimed by now, but maybe him not pulling a stupid role claim is because he has something important. That said, I would not roleblock him; whatever he says, we can discredit it. He might even come up with a bullshit claim even if he doesn't have a role.
I'm actually surprised I haven't picked up on any breadcrumbs. Could be I missed something, but maybe if I ISO each of the players, I can pick something up. It could also be that whatever they've found isn't conclusive; I had a role like that in the last game and I was only able to breadcrumb one piece of information that was useful.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Question: can you kill and roleblock on the same night? If yes, you should do both so only one of us is moving tonight.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

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Yeah I will use the block tonight. I can send the kill too Movement being detected should not matter tonight.
haha awesome. ok, I think Verelios is the best choice to block as of right now. I'll look back at Brazil's posts and see if I can pick up on anything.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Feel bad about the hand town was dealt in this one. While looking at Brazil, I saw he was posting in other threads on Era even after being tagged in the game thread. Just totally phoning it in. lol
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
While looking at Brazil, I saw he was posting in other threads on Era even after being tagged in the game thread. Just totally phoning it in. lol
Also, this kind of goes against rule #7 about discussing player activity outside of the game thread:
7. Please do not refer to, or discuss, player activity outside of this thread, for the sake of the game’s integrity.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
I think Brazil is the motion tracker, and I think he cleared me N2 lol

Brazil - Post #668
This will probably be worth more down the line as it relies on myself or Maol/Natiko flipping,

(Yeah, future people, don't skip this one)

but Jman and Launch are the ones that stick out to me if those votes matter at all. Both were frantically looking for somewhere to settle, moving votes multiple times before EoD, and they only settled when the vote ended up with two townies in the lead.

Brazil - Post #820
It'd be nice to see movement from my gut scumread

Brazil - Post #1005
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Sorry, I wanted to clarify. Did you mean that Jman can’t roleblock and kill on the same night, or that the scum team can’t roleblock and kill on the same night?
Jman can't do both actions on the same night. He can roleblock and you can kill though, that's fine.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

...can I smell you?
Do you think this game has a cop ? That's the biggest chance we have at fumbling this.
I agree that it would fuck us up, but I’m betting there either isn’t a cop at this point or they haven’t gotten a useful result. There are a couple of reasons I think so. Generally, gamerunners work in counters to different roles. So, for example, it’s easy to tell that because I have a ninja kill, there must be a role that can detect movement; in the last game I played, I was a cop who could read if someone was vanilla, but there was a scum role that could return a vanilla result if they used their ability and I investigated them. With a ninja kill and generic roleblock on our side in this game, there’s no indication there is a cop because neither of our roles would counter any other type of investigation except movement. I would guess it’s 1:1 on power roles for town and scum in this game, given the small size - so 2 town roles and 2 scum roles.

Besides which, as you’ve seen from all the abilities so far, there are significant limitations to each role: both of ours and the bodyguard are one time use. Even if there’s a weak cop in this game, there’s a good chance they only have one use or a specific use, and don’t have enough information to go off of which is why they haven’t brought it up or breadcrumbed it.

Verelios, Natiko, and Coolest have not been acting like they have any additional information, especially not about either of us two. Depending on the day, you can see they all have different feelings about us, but it’s all coming from what they’re seeing us say. Verelios and Natiko in particular are easy to predict - going into N3, they know it’s a 33% chance they’ll die (because them two and I are all strongly townread). If Vere or Natiko had a useful cop result, they would’ve said something before this night phase started or earlier. I think Coolest also would’ve said it as soon as he knew anything because that’s just how he’s playing.

I think we have Brazil figured out already as the motion tracker; I’m fairly certain that’s what he’s been hinting at. The rest is all an educated guess, but I think we should hedge our bets on Brazil being the one to worry about. It’s better than choosing randomly between the three players that are left.
 

jman1954goat

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I agree that it would fuck us up, but I’m betting there either isn’t a cop at this point or they haven’t gotten a useful result. There are a couple of reasons I think so. Generally, gamerunners work in counters to different roles. So, for example, it’s easy to tell that because I have a ninja kill, there must be a role that can detect movement; in the last game I played, I was a cop who could read if someone was vanilla, but there was a scum role that could return a vanilla result if they used their ability and I investigated them. With a ninja kill and generic roleblock on our side in this game, there’s no indication there is a cop because neither of our roles would counter any other type of investigation except movement. I would guess it’s 1:1 on power roles for town and scum in this game, given the small size - so 2 town roles and 2 scum roles.

Besides which, as you’ve seen from all the abilities so far, there are significant limitations to each role: both of ours and the bodyguard are one time use. Even if there’s a weak cop in this game, there’s a good chance they only have one use or a specific use, and don’t have enough information to go off of which is why they haven’t brought it up or breadcrumbed it.

Verelios, Natiko, and Coolest have not been acting like they have any additional information, especially not about either of us two. Depending on the day, you can see they all have different feelings about us, but it’s all coming from what they’re seeing us say. Verelios and Natiko in particular are easy to predict - going into N3, they know it’s a 33% chance they’ll die (because them two and I are all strongly townread). If Vere or Natiko had a useful cop result, they would’ve said something before this night phase started or earlier. I think Coolest also would’ve said it as soon as he knew anything because that’s just how he’s playing.

I think we have Brazil figured out already as the motion tracker; I’m fairly certain that’s what he’s been hinting at. The rest is all an educated guess, but I think we should hedge our bets on Brazil being the one to worry about. It’s better than choosing randomly between the three players that are left.
So use my role block on brazil?
 

jman1954goat

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If the theory is Brazil has already checked you maybe I sit back and do nothing do to the small chance we are wrong I don't wanna be seen moving by someone else.some

I think I It's a trap to assume I have to use my ability just because it's there let's just win tomorrow on social skill.
 

jman1954goat

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Verelios is the only player with enough good standing to convince others any info gotten from investigation I will just block him and if the other two read me we can say it's a lie .

I will claim I swapped you and coolestspot tonight with my pipe.
 

jman1954goat

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Verelios is the only player with enough good standing to convince others any info gotten from investigation I will just block him and if the other two read me we can say it's a lie .

I will claim I swapped you and coolestspot tonight with my pipe.
yeah it's perfect I swapped you and coolest if there's motion tracking it explains why you a vanilla goomba moved tonight and why I potentially moved
 

LaunchpadMcQ

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Unless coolest was checked for movement then it falls apart a bit
Yeah, I think saying you used your swap ability at all is going to make it hard to prove and might walk us into trouble. Even just trying to bring that level of confusion in might make you look bad.

I also don’t think Brazil is going to check me again tonight if he’s the motion tracker, so there’s no worry of that. If you want to not use your ability, that probably is still valid; it might be a too risky to use if we don’t get the right person. Brazil may be out of uses, or like you said we might be making a bad assumption. If he got a null result from me N2, there’s no need for you to stick your neck out because we’re in pretty good shape with one of us cleared.

I don’t think it’s likely the motion tracker can have checked all four of us, or even just three of us. We need to go after whoever he has not checked when the day starts.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

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When you claim and say you did not use your swap ability, stress that you thought it was a super anti-town role, but you weren’t sure it’s the kind you should claim early on.
 

LaunchpadMcQ

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I’m just going to throw a bunch of thoughts out, we’ll have to check and just as we go anyway. I don’t think any strategy is going to be foolproof.

Another approach we could take is discredit Brazil/whenever when he comes forward. He may not have any useful, so his role will be difficult to prove.
 

jman1954goat

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When you claim and say you did not use your swap ability, stress that you thought it was a super anti-town role, but you weren’t sure it’s the kind you should claim early on.
Alright I will say I never found a good time to use my swap and didn't want to accidentally screw town over.
 

jman1954goat

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I am going to have the vote command copied so I can paste it and insert a name quickly.
We should do a confirm in this thread so we can hammer together.

Like type the letter K in scum thread and that's the signal of we see both K's we do it

K
 

LaunchpadMcQ

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I am going to have the vote command copied so I can paste it and insert a name quickly.
We should do a confirm in this thread so we can hammer together.

Like type the letter K in scum thread and that's the signal of we see both K's we do it

K

Ok, I'll come check this thread whenever I see a vote come down. Hopefully we're both around when it happens
 

jman1954goat

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Stole the family pc from the family room and put it in my bedroom for quicker access
Who cares if my niece and nephew want to play roblox I am trying to win mafia!

#priorities in order
 

jman1954goat

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What would a bus driver on look like. If someone asked how my command works what's the formatting I use

Would I issue the pipe command twice or say pipe player 1 and player 2 when I use my action. I don't know what the command would look like.
 

jman1954goat

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I just saved town. I give us an extra day of play my ability means the game won't end if we mis lunch today. I have a 77% chance to make mafia kill itself with my swap I saved.
 

jman1954goat

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I'm gonna mention there's a chance we are not in mylo at the start of the day before official reveal. I think I know how to play this first though I'm gonna come out swinging for coolest upset that he posted after day end.
 
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