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Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Welcome to the Love Boat, where nothing can possibliye go wrong. Ahem, possibly go wrong. Hmm.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
"S-Dubs, huh? Hey, what if the S actually stood for scum?"
"No, afraid not. We're actually town ninja strongmen."
"Oh well, better keep them around, then."
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Shitposting aside, Kitsune vs. Stuart seems to be the main talking point so far. From playing with and spectating Stuart in the past, I know that he can be quick to retaliate, so that can make him prone to OMGUS accusations. He does seem to be a touch quieter than usual, though - as wary as I am regarding meta reads, he's usually one of the people that I'd expect to be out front in posting and pushing early on. Not sure what to make of him today.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
If I were playing, I'd concur with AB about Pirate Malus and BraWaveZ being worth keeping an eye on, but then I'm always wary of people trying to hide in plain sight. Monkey seems fair so far, but Stuart still feels off, somehow. I'd feel better about him if he were a bit punchier rather than going with the flow.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Some day, I'll be able to make it through D1 and say to myself, 'This is a vote that I can put down with real certainty. None of those gut reads for me, no siree.'. Today is not that day.
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
I'm not following but I want to say I hope there is an actual town hooker

please be sorian or monkey
 

Kalor

Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
I don't think I've ever been that annoyed at being voted out on day 1. I wouldn't have minded as much if the arguments weren't as bad as they were. Instead it was basically just activity based.

Also that was fun Kits, whenever you see this, even if the lynch today didn't work out.
 

Kitsunelaine

hi i'm a backpack
Also, I request this gif as my will.
ckhcail.gif
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
I never like trains that come out of nowhere and that was no exception. Still, you managed to get some suggestions of where to go next down, Kalor - now watch them all get ignored and/or swept under the carpet in short order.

Oh, and when you see this, Natiko - that's great news!
 

Kitsunelaine

hi i'm a backpack
I think it's really weird that I saw a few posts in there that saw me as townie, and yet up until when I went to bed, people read me as scum... I swear to gods, I'll never figure out how this game works.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
I think that's fairly par for the course for the first couple of days to a game - until there've been a few flips, it's nearly impossible to pair up somebody's actions with the outcomes. Barring a really unlucky slip-up on the scum team's part, in all honesty votes on D1 (and, to an extent, D2) are probably going to be based more on gut feelings than a lot of people would care to admit. Somebody, unfortunately, has to be the one to take a speculative elimination.

For what it's worth, I don't think I'd have been on-board with the voting against yourself and Kalor yesterday if I had been playing - both of you just felt too visible to be scum at that stage. Early on, scum want to go forgotten and un-noticed - so in many ways, the fact that you were getting so much attention at the time would have made you look townier to me!
 

Kitsunelaine

hi i'm a backpack
Yeah, that was my strategy! I wanted to be visible and do things that generated discussion as well as poke others and engage. But then everyone got on my case about it, and the next day I decided to back off and everyone got on my case about THAT too. There are so many mixed messages in this game!
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Hmm, so scum have claimed their first PR. A day-vig could have been handy down the line - Fran, did you and Fandorin have any early ideas on how you might have used your shot, or is that something that you were planning on coming to later?
 
Yeah, going in D2 I was thinking about discussing an Monkey or a Sorian kill with Fran, but that didn’t work out.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Pirate Malus is scum. This is the same bullshit she tried in Mafiera.
Yeah, I'm not really on board with Bae's claim. A one-shot cop? Sure. But a one-shot cop that can also detect a visit and suss the alignment of the visitor in one go? That seems too convenient. Not to mention - is N1 really the best time to use what may well be the one cop shot when the field of candidates is so wide? I could be reading too much in to it, but too much of the claim just doesn't add up to me.
 

RetroMG

Bergentrukung
Staff member
Doing so would subject you to the wheel fate, and you are a lemon, not a hamster

This is a wonderfully nonsensical line, and I'm totally stealing it in the future.
 

Franconp

Frank
Cool role if Pirate Bae isn't lying. And likely scum. Why would they use that role on a cop and separate the partners when they need to coordinate the investigation?
 

Franconp

Frank
If we were still alive I would have shot Dr Stuart.

They are not trying to scumhunt, they are happy creating noise and not even reading Sorian right now.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Given the partnership system, I was worried that the game might have ended up going without a CoolestSpot Master Plan™ - I'm glad to see that's not the case now, though.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
If we were still alive I would have shot Dr Stuart.

They are not trying to scumhunt, they are happy creating noise and not even reading Sorian right now.

Omg, when Fran is even reading me right, you know the thread has gone wrong.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Anyway, said it in the other chat, but sorry I couldn't be around more than I was. Shit hit the fan all at once for me.

Nah no worries, I don’t think it ever mattered there at the end anyway regardless of what we did.
 

Franconp

Frank
Omg, when Fran is even reading me right, you know the thread has gone wrong.

I had the same thoughts bout the thieves role. To me it looked that you were trying to understand what happened last night. Monkey and Stuart didn't cared at all and where just interested about talking shit about you.

BTW, I'm pretty certain that Coolest is scum.
 
I had the same thoughts bout the thieves role. To me it looked that you were trying to understand what happened last night. Monkey and Stuart didn't cared at all and where just interested about talking shit about you.

BTW, I'm pretty certain that Coolest is scum.
Is a double vote usually a scum thing? Last time I saw it the role was town.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
I can't see Dr. Stu coming out of this looking good. With the scum team knowing that Sorian was town, it'd be fairly easy for them to put down some early votes on him to sow some uncertainty and, when called on it later, just pass them off as meme votes.

That's not to say that they are scum, of course, but those D1 votes and starting the train on D2 will add fuel to the fire.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
I know spoilers already so I will he removed from most conversation for now but I will say I’m very upset all around. You just got unlucky Brazil, they knew.
 
Yup. Knew something about that whole story didn't sit right. Bae was handing out unaffiliated green checks left and right.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Don’t worry, @The Bear didny mess up order of operations again, this was actually legit this time :P
 

The Bear

Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
Was probably N1 that did it. Such an obvious target, but also why we healed them. I don't want to say it was a mistake... but a target like that would be such a magnet for all kinds of trouble.

Heh, it's a lot of resources for it, in a way. Oh well.

You guys got hit by scum role cop on N1.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
First things first - sorry to hear about AB's news. FUCK CANCER.

Beyond that, I'd be right behind a Bae/Malus whack right now. That claim's seemed iffy to me from the off and I think it's reached the point where it needs to be sorted out. If they're telling the truth, town will only be losing an effective vanilla pair and will get a solid green check on Abs4all (barring them being godfathers or something like that).
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Why are they being coy about revealing the gossips based on just info they found in the thread and a guess? Geno isn't right often but if you noticed it then it's 99% chance that scum noticed it too with their extra pair of eyes.
 
Why are they being coy about revealing the gossips based on just info they found in the thread and a guess? Geno isn't right often but if you noticed it then it's 99% chance that scum noticed it too with their extra pair of eyes.
Because it's a frame job? I honestly don't know.
 
There's definitely a lot of interesting roles floating around, but I'm pretty surprised at town waiting so long to look at Pirate Bae's claim. Like, the whole thing has felt incredibly odd the whole time. Claiming 1 shot in the thread could work as a feint to try and make scum think that you have more checks, but if she wanted to keep that going then she should have claimed that she checked someone today. I don't really see the point in giving out that kind of information to scum if it's true, and the whole wishy-washy situation surrounding the kidnappers was super odd. She assumed that they were town, but in the event that they weren't, they could just say that she checked someone else and green check someone on the scum team. The whole thing is so messy and I'd definitely be pushing for that right now

(Some of this might be bias from when she fake-claimed my role in MafiEra though!)
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
There's definitely a lot of interesting roles floating around, but I'm pretty surprised at town waiting so long to look at Pirate Bae's claim. Like, the whole thing has felt incredibly odd the whole time. Claiming 1 shot in the thread could work as a feint to try and make scum think that you have more checks, but if she wanted to keep that going then she should have claimed that she checked someone today. I don't really see the point in giving out that kind of information to scum if it's true, and the whole wishy-washy situation surrounding the kidnappers was super odd. She assumed that they were town, but in the event that they weren't, they could just say that she checked someone else and green check someone on the scum team. The whole thing is so messy and I'd definitely be pushing for that right now

(Some of this might be bias from when she fake-claimed my role in MafiEra though!)

Those who tried to bring it up on D2 got shut down by others.

Correct to shut it down the day of the first check tbh, with no new check today it becomes more suspicious and it's absolutely an auto lynch tomorrow because the doctor is gone and you target there in case it's an odd night cop or something.
 
There's definitely a lot of interesting roles floating around, but I'm pretty surprised at town waiting so long to look at Pirate Bae's claim. Like, the whole thing has felt incredibly odd the whole time. Claiming 1 shot in the thread could work as a feint to try and make scum think that you have more checks, but if she wanted to keep that going then she should have claimed that she checked someone today. I don't really see the point in giving out that kind of information to scum if it's true, and the whole wishy-washy situation surrounding the kidnappers was super odd. She assumed that they were town, but in the event that they weren't, they could just say that she checked someone else and green check someone on the scum team. The whole thing is so messy and I'd definitely be pushing for that right now

(Some of this might be bias from when she fake-claimed my role in MafiEra though!)
No, the whole thing does feel massively suspect. It's not just your history.
 
Correct to shut it down the day of the first check tbh, with no new check today it becomes more suspicious and it's absolutely an auto lynch tomorrow because the doctor is gone and you target there in case it's an odd night cop or something.
I think no roleblock and no kill attempt on Pirate Malus made it immediately suspect on D2. I guess, sure, this is an assumption that scum would have a role like that, but there was this feeling like they didn't care about the cop.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
I think no roleblock and no kill attempt on Pirate Malus made it immediately suspect on D2. I guess, sure, this is an assumption that scum would have a role like that, but there was this feeling like they didn't care about the cop.

I think this is a symptom of our community to be honest because sooo many of our games give scum a roleblocker but on N1, it's really not an unthinkable game state to assume scum just had no tools to mitigate a cop aside from killing and many just won't risk it that first night because the lost kill would act as an auto clear for the cop. If it had been a later game state, hints of a roleblocker likely would have been out and that would be reason but right then? There are other scum and it's not worth the cop to go on a hunch yet.

And don't get me wrong, you are 100% in the right here but taking into account a sub set of 100 games, this would probably be a minority case
 

Kitsunelaine

hi i'm a backpack
I guess I kind of suck at this game because none of my reads have been panning out. Let's see if my read on Stu redeems me.
 
Did Bae just slip?

Maybe. Geno could just be lying here as a way to push a lynch that he feels is a sure thing, but if she did slip I think that's a pretty understandable one to make. I wouldn't really think about a kidnapper role interacting differently between scum and town in that way
 
Maybe. Geno could just be lying here as a way to push a lynch that he feels is a sure thing, but if she did slip I think that's a pretty understandable one to make. I wouldn't really think about a kidnapper role interacting differently between scum and town in that way
Credit for fanto for catching it but I do feel bad for pirate malus, no way of knowing they had slipped.

Also I've finally caught up, seems like a fun game so far and really enjoying the flavour so good job there
 

dragon mom

Plays the Game of Chairs
I’m not trying to complain, really. No hard feelings, Bear, I just feel like it should have been one way or the other or at least brought up that it was specifically intentional or not.
 

Z-beat

only here for the flavor
I learned pretty hard in maple street that it be like that sometimes. I gotta respect the attention to detail.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
So in the past, Bear has given scum love boats as well just for consistency, did he do that this time? And then follow up, did he remove access to your fake love boat while you still had scum chat access?
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Also, I only just found what the slip up was, hadn’t read any of the game since yesterday morning so I didn’t find if Bear addressed it anywhere, doesn’t look like he had.
 

dragon mom

Plays the Game of Chairs
So in the past, Bear has given scum love boats as well just for consistency, did he do that this time? And then follow up, did he remove access to your fake love boat while you still had scum chat access?
No, we all had one big chat.

So I had access to scum chat, like I could see it, but couldn’t post.
 

dragon mom

Plays the Game of Chairs
I mean if it was a mistake or not it’s fine, whatever. I’d just like to know for clarity’s sake.
 

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Hmm yup, was playing on the backend to see if I could get your question answered while bears not around. He did make 17 roles but some are dummy roles I guess. Well I’m curious for an answer too sounds like a weird oversight.
 
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