Game Thread Marvel Heroes Mafia - Half of You Will Enjoy This

Yuta

Yuta

@Extreme Tactician You've described how Nomad behaved and claimed it's weird. Do you think he's scum? Do you feel his shot at Monkey was justified?

The background question was to get a better feel on you.

hom3land's timing of replacement is especially annoying and that's quite shitty for Kalor. In general we shouldn't look into reasons for replacements (rl happens) and have good faith in Sorian that he doesn't replace the people because they are scumread ;)
 
NZJubJub

NZJubJub

Doing Sawneeks' recent one first because the others weren't what I thought they were:
Sawneeks said:
NZJubJub: Enters in with a quick No Lynch on the TD and then scum reads Zipped for doing something similar (1133). Gives both Blade and Rynam the benefit of the doubt on D1 despite Scum Reading both for different actions (1141). Gives a vote on Zipped that says he is guilty of the same thing he accuses Zipped of but that 'doesn't matter' (1169). Gives a far more detailed explanation against Zipped that I actually like (2307). Threatens to shoot Zipped, backs down when Vere's flip becomes a reality and the NPC shows up, and then shoots Geno for some reason and only gives justification later on that he was a 'similar read that started his Zipped tunnel'. Will agree that his sudden backdown due to Vere's incoming flip is definitely odd as all hell.
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First point (concerning #1133): Not True. The No-Lynch discussion I'm talking about in my posts about Zipped were those that took place at the start of the day concerning that day's final lynch, not the Thunderdome. I don't think I came in early in the Thunderdome either as from memory I was the 11th or 12th person to vote No Lynch there.
Second point (concerning #1141): I never scumread BladeSymphony, but even if I did then they still would've both gotten the benefit of the doubt from me: Rynam because he hadn't yet really started playing and Blade because he is a new player.
Third point (concerning #1169): Apologies as I have no idea what you mean here, also the phrase "doesn't matter" does not appear in that post.
Fourth point (concerning #2307): Once again including this merely for completeness. The only new info in that post was Zipped's reactions to the suspicions leveled against him the day before, although I assume the better explanation of the underlying read is what you mean here.
Fifth point (concerning my shot at and subsequent reading of Geno): That was not meant to be a justification of my shot at Geno, that was me saying why I'd be continuing down that road. Had I not found a reason to continue looking at Geno then I'd explained why and made an apology. The reason I took the shot at Geno was that he'd gotten my attention before, which Include's shot reminded me of, and that I was town-reading Include.
Sixth point (concerning my strange wording in #3392): covered in my response to Natiko, although you were understandably busy when I posted that.

Back to chronological order:
Kawl said:
NZJubJub giving anyone else that creepy scum vibe?
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Zippedpinhead said:
sorta? I mean it feels like NZJubjub kinda faded into the shadows after vere and I had our thing yesterday.
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See here:
NZJubJub said:
On day 2 my Zipped tunnel became a crutch for me, when that was kicked out from under me I fell back on an old Geno feeling and Include being in my Town pile. Having that fall through as well left me seriously disoriented.
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Skipping Kawl's Vote because thats all it is.
heymonkey said:
-Huge List-
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vote: NZJubJub
A lot has happened, JubJub, but you haven't. Where are you?
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I'm sorry, I'll devote more energy to keeping up and providing input.

Skipping Lone Stranger(vote), Fandorin(votes on me>votes on blarg) and Natiko(vote).
Nomad Sparkster said:
Does Kawl know something we don't? @Kawl @NZJubJub care to clarify what's going on
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..... he suspects me. I understand that this is just how you play, but its likely to end the same way it did in the recent mini mafia.

@ me if I've missed your post.
 
Alexem

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Morning, all.
Extreme Tactician said:
Actually I do have one vote. It's Fandorin I think.

But yeah, people moved on. And despite me posting my own defense, no one seems to acknowledge it.
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Include's flip has largely made me re-think my theory. It was working on the assumption that there was a single scum JOAT - with what we know now, it's not inconceivable that they may have wanted to bus a killing JOAT an defend a disruptive JOAT, especially if they have the means to make multiple kills like on N1.
Sawneeks said:
I will say his odd conclusion of pushing negative light primarily on Zeke instead of Melon is odd but I actually feel better about him. Would like to know why a harder push on Zeke over Melon though.
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Call it gut feeling, but what really set me on edge was Zeke's quick reaction to agree when I pointed out that bussing Splinter was less dubious after learning of the second flip. Perhaps I'm reading too much into things, but it felt a little like he was making the most of the opportunity to shade Melon without acknowledging that his ITA of Splinter could fall under the same scrutiny, as I pointed out earlier. As a counter, though, I do wonder if scum would really let a team-mate tunnel Melon (assuming she's not scum) for so long without asking them to ease off to look less obvious. That's veering into WIFOM territory, though, so I'd rather not over-think that.

As for now, I can see where the votes for NZJubJub are coming from, as he has been too quiet for my liking. In a normal game, the threat of having a replacement who's not up to speed with a plan might make scum more inclined to keep their coasting players involved, but without such a rule in place, it's much easier for scum to fly low by not getting actively involved. I would, however, like to add briefs_cat into the mix as well for even less contribution. I've noticed that Spot and Chicken have a tendency to pop in and out for short periods, too. (L_P has also been quiet, but I've known him to be about the same as town, so it's hard to get a leaning from that.)

Again, though, there's a counter to that in Trigger and SalvaPot flipping town, so one should be careful to immediately correlate inactivity with scumminess. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if scum have at least one or two people keeping their heads down to be more 'forgettable'.
 
Extreme Tactician

Extreme Tactician

Gorlak said:
You've described how Nomad behaved and claimed it's weird. Do you think he's scum? Do you feel his shot at Monkey was justified?
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I don't think he's scum, but he is very inpulsive. He shot at Monkey despite most of us agreeing she wasn't scummy. He pretty much blew his top when asked why he was beig more serious suddenly.
 
Yuta

Yuta

Extreme Tactician said:
I don't think he's scum, but he is very inpulsive. He shot at Monkey despite most of us agreeing she wasn't scummy. He pretty much blew his top when asked why he was beig more serious suddenly.
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So why is he not scum? I'd argue this is pretty scummy behaviour?

On another note most of us agree Monkey isn't scummy? Where does this come from? I don't even see her on any of your read lists?
 
Yuta

Yuta

@EzekelRAGE
I've tried to look at Alexem, but I've come up with nothing. Definitely motivation/time based problem on my part. I'm following other leads at this time. He looks active and others are paying attention though.

Data points: Votes No lynch, Votes Rynam D1, Shoots Kawl D2, Votes Mazre D2, Shoots Ext. Tact. D3
 
Poltergust

Poltergust

I'm still having trouble deciding who to shoot in the next ITA phase. I'm thinking of going for Nomad since he is at worst (according to him) a vanilla townie. I don't want to shoot someone who may have something important behind the scenes that helps town or go after people who are generating discussion. That said, I feel bad since he just started becoming active again.

Any thoughts? If not him, I could always just shoot Blarg since he's a total wildcard lol.
 
Alexem

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
I think there's always going to be an element of calculated risk with a shot, just like a vote. If in doubt, nothing wrong with following your instincts as long as you're certain about your thinking.
 
Alexem

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Gorlak said:
@Alexem Do you have some current leads? What's your opinion on Ext. Tactician?
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I appreciate that he's been getting involved and has been responding to questions, that's certainly to his credit. As I've said, I still think there's something to the scum ITA hits on D2, but I'm now finding it difficult to tell if Splinter or Vere was more likely to have been bussed. The more that I think about it, the less I feel that I have to go on, so - for now - I think it'd be difficult to press on with that without more details on those involved.
 
Yuta

Yuta

Alexem said:
I think it'd be difficult to press on with that without more details on those involved.
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Okay, I can understand you're reasoning. In which direction would you like to press on instead? (We can also postpone this question to after ITA if you want to)
 
Alexem

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Gorlak said:
Okay, I can understand you're reasoning. In which direction would you like to press on instead? (We can also postpone this question to after ITA if you want to)
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I think it would be prudent to see where the room goes. While I have had my doubts about the Extreme Tactician/EzekelRAGE/Melonrabbit group, I don't think that I could give a concrete enough read on any of them enough to vote with certainty at this point. I see there's some scepticism on Natiko, but he seems sound enough to me - I think his reads come from a good place. Blarg has also come under fire, and he's a tricky one - as much as I enjoy his posts, I can see why people can find them to be non-committal, so to speak. So far, he's a null read for me, although I'd like to think he's one of the good guys.

If nothing certain comes from the last ITA window, I could see myself supporting an inactivity lynch, but it goes without saying that we should consider our target carefully on that one if there isn't so much to go on.
 
NeckToChicken

NeckToChicken

Gorlak said:
And @NeckToChicken first post of the day was concerning Lone Stranger, then he only appears for the ITA. Getting scummy vibes.
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I was thinking about taking my ITA shot at the stranger in this coming phase.

No one else is blaringly obvious (to me at least) to take a shot at, but if the stranger doesn’t flip on death then I’ll feel foolish.

heymonkey said:
Hey @NeckToChicken, how are you feeling about Alexem these days?
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Alexem seems more vocal now than earlier. That may be to fill the void of missing players or to fill the void of missing teammates, I can’t tell.
 
Yuta

Yuta

To whoever considers shooting Blarg:

I propose lynching him instead. I do find him scummy, but pressure with votes should lead to more info. He's always up to fight his own lynch. Reactions could help us later.
 
Alexem

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
For the record, Extreme Tactician fired a shot at Include after she'd been hit and got a refund that he's not used yet.
 
Extreme Tactician

Extreme Tactician

Gorlak said:
So why is he not scum? I'd argue this is pretty scummy behaviour?

On another note most of us agree Monkey isn't scummy? Where does this come from? I don't even see her on any of your read lists?
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He's not scum because his previous posts don't seem scummy. Some are provacative, and some are fluffy. Yhe weird posts don't suddenly destroy his credibility.

I was probably just too hard on him now that I think of it.
 
Swamped

Swamped

Dazzling Mafia Queen
@Gorlak i agree with voting for Blarg, but who do you propose we shoot in ITA then?

Anyway,

VOTE: Blargonaut

Hasn't made many town contributions in my eyes. Thinks Muffin or Geno are mafia (#4693). Geno as a top mafia read seems a bit tone deaf to me. In post #4168, Geno is his top town though??

I do want to read some other players in the context of Include's flip, so will have more substantial scum reads soon I hope.
 
Sorian

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
Nomad's Role PM

Welcome Nomad Sparkster,

You are Phoenix. True Identity Jean Grey.

Your role is Town Vanilla. You do not have any abilities but you may still vote and participate in ITA sessions.

You win when all threats to town are eliminated.
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Sorian

Sorian

Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop
Staff member
==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start

blargonaut (4 votes)
rac - #4632
bladesymphony - #4644
sawneeks - #4976
swamped - #5035

nzjubjub (4 votes)
kawl - #4735
heymonkey - #4906
lone stranger - #4928
natiko - #4930

lone_prodigy (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #3885 #4072
melonrabbit - #4956

extreme tactician (1 votes)
fandorin - #4924

natiko (1 votes)
blargonaut - #4200

coolestspot (1 votes)
geno - #4652

hom3land (1 votes)
heymonkey - #4565 #4906
luxcommander - #4571

faircure (1 votes)
dcpat - #4804

ezekelrage (0 votes)
blargonaut - #4172 #4200

Post Counts:
ezekelrage: 111 heymonkey: 101 gorlak: 101 stuart444: 82 sorian: 60 blargonaut: 59 muffin: 54 nomad sparkster: 49 melonrabbit: 45 sawneeks: 43 extreme tactician: 43 natiko: 36 rac: 36 brazil: 34 alexem: 32 stanleypalmtree: 32 geno: 30 kawl: 26 coolestspot: 24 fandorin: 20 poltergust: 19 luxcommander: 19 dcpat: 15 swamped: 14 include: 11 necktochicken: 11 kalor: 9 ynnek7: 9 zippedpinhead: 8 faircure: 8 nzjubjub: 7 oreomunsta: 6 bladesymphony: 5 lone stranger: 4 zubz: 3 hom3land: 3 xbro: 2

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

Majority is 17

Day 3 Ends In:
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Yuta

Yuta

Reads Update
There are quite a few people I rule out as scum for the time being.

Then there's the inactives: briefs_cat, oreo, lp - who deserve to be scolded and shot. We also had some replacements this phase, these people naturally take some time to arrive.

Out of the rest there are some dependencies - e.g. a monkey flip would tell me more about Natiko or Sawneeks.

A few I have absolutely no read on because energy is limited and I happened to focus on others (e.g. Poltergust)

Null: Stan, Brazil

scummy: DCPat, Swamped, NeckToChicken
scummier: melonrabbit, Muffin, Nomad Sparkster
scummiest: Blargonaut
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

Oh, didn’t realize the final ITA would happen so soon. 9 players unused shots is a lot really.

Nomad flipping vanilla is unfortunate, but his last posts with the moodswing didn’t aspire much confidence on me either.
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

[QUOTE="NZJubJub, post: 30481, member: 113]
Back to chronological order:

Skipping Lone Stranger(vote), Fandorin(votes on me>votes on blarg) and Natiko(vote).

@ me if I've missed your post.[/QUOTE]

I think I’m reading this wrong, because I didn’t vote for you or Blarg at any moment.
 
Kalor

Kalor

Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
Spark being town is a shame but they would have continued to be a suspect as the game went on. I'm still on day 2 but right now, I could get behind a vote for the inactives at the very least. LP, Blarg and Stan would be my picks. The fact that Stan hasn't voted since the thunderdome isn't great and that was just a no lynch.
 
Extreme Tactician

Extreme Tactician

Gorlak said:
To whoever considers shooting Blarg:

I propose lynching him instead. I do find him scummy, but pressure with votes should lead to more info. He's always up to fight his own lynch. Reactions could help us later.
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Well, I've never seem him play so I'll trust your advice.

vote:Blargonaut
 
Muffin

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
I saw your post about me @Natiko and it's pretty well done. Can't say much against it, though I obviously disagree with the conclusion.

Saw however:

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- He voted for Mazre because Polter acknowledged that Scum may have turned someone into a 100% ITA shooter which was enough to make him vote there (3762) despite being relatively outside that talk other than a small comment (3757). Went for Mazre out of the others because....?
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You're glossing over Polters argumentation why Mazre was the most likely out of the bunch, which I fully agreed with at the time. Seemed the most logical.

Sawneeks said:
- Kinda gives Nat a pass for being Includes target for some reason because it can't be Scum v Scum (4442).
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This is straight up not true. The postnumber you're referring to raises the possibility of one being neutral, and you missed my answer to Geno later:
Muffin said:
True enough.
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Sawneeks said:
- Monkey calls it out but Muffin is fairly insistent that between Nat and Include there is Scum and no way it would be Town v Town since it's unlikely (4584).
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And this is an argument for me being scum...why exactly? My argument was sound and it turned out exactly true.

Sawneeks said:
- Shot Kawl (2894) despite unvoting him shortly before (2727) when Vere was a popular choice. Also never follows up on Kawl despite being strong enough to, y'know, shoot him outside of going back to the vote (3488) for no reason and then dropping it very soon after when the Poison/Antidote Event ended (3735). Didn't really push Kawl much here despite the actions.
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Well good thing I took a break from pushing there, as Kawl got green checked. It's called not tunneling. My shot at Kawl was to try to pursue that push a bit more at the time while others were resolving the Vere/Zipped situation as I didn't really know who of the two to believe. Got pretty clear because of Veres reactions during the ITA phase though. After that, I took my focus off of Kawl as Vere survived the first ITA phase and that situation needed to be resolved.
 
Alexem

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Gorlak said:
To whoever considers shooting Blarg:

I propose lynching him instead. I do find him scummy, but pressure with votes should lead to more info. He's always up to fight his own lynch. Reactions could help us later.
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OK, I'll give Blarg some time to see if he has anything to say before deciding on any votes. I will admit that he does seem to be a little quiter than I've known him to be, but that could be down to life/time zones, whatever. For what it's worth, though, I still have quite a null read on him - he's not raised any immediate red flags to me, at least. And to address Swamped's example from earlier:
Blargonaut said:
I bet Muffin or Geno are Mafia
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Coming as it did in a series of posts, I don't know if I'd call that a serious accusation or Blarg being Blarg.
 
Muffin

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
I'd be down for an Extreme or a Faircure lynch today I think. Extreme is the only really suspicious in the D2 shots left in my opinion, and I said why I don't really like how Faircure is playing either. I saw her acknowledge that she isn't around much, but that's not really the crux of the problem. There are a bunch of inactive people. It seems a bit deliberate (I'm sorry if it's not, I know that that can be frustrating to read) and how I think Faircure would play as scum. She wasn't extremely active in HvV either, but this seems like an attempt to fly under the radar. And I think that makes Faircure dangerous, as not many notice her much as it seems to me.

Reminds me of GG in Cluedo Mafia.
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
@Alexem Can I get a response to this post? More specifically the bolded.

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No i wouldnt compare that to melon's TD. And no it's not a move to gain credibility. Apollo attempting to shoot Vere would be a move to gain credibility. Or the scum bussing Grizz.
I am like the only one in the game who even thought the No lynch/ Splinter v Melon/TD situation even looked off.

Also can we kill the "Splinter was at risk in the TD" storyline? What risk was there with both he and melon pushing for a no lynch? He was under no pressure at all.


In no way do I look as bad as melon has. Please provide examples to back up your theories/claims like I have on melon.

The only reason melon has been read as town thus far is because "it doesnt make sense for scum to risk that gambit".
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Gorlak said:
@EzekelRAGE
I've tried to look at Alexem, but I've come up with nothing. Definitely motivation/time based problem on my part. I'm following other leads at this time. He looks active and others are paying attention though.

Data points: Votes No lynch, Votes Rynam D1, Shoots Kawl D2, Votes Mazre D2, Shoots Ext. Tact. D3
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He made posts/conjecture about the difference in nin/kya being killed/died on a couple different ocassions. ita chance from ry flip. Was also one of first ones to try to imply my shot on splinter couldve been bus, based on what stu typed after ry flip.
Those stroke me as odd fluff posts. I found it odd that all he took from the previous day phase was to setup discussion based on an attempt for me and ET to be bussing scum based on our ITA hits. Which is flawed since we don't know how the mafia used the power. Which is why I mentioned it doesn't really matter Mazre hit something, it matters that he shot Zipped over Vere.

@melonrabbit I havent forgot about you. You made a post saying I hadn't answere you about your "holes" in my theory. Could you post those quotes/holes/questions for me? I asked earlier, but it seems you missed it.
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The only hole that was posted on my theory was "that would be a bad gambit by scum"
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Alexem

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
@EzekelRAGE - LuxCommander claimed to have heard Zipped being jailed:
LuxCommander said:
I kept my ear low last night. Listened in on what happened to Zippedpinhead. There was a KILL attempt, but he was JAILed. His role was blocked by our Jailkeeper. All is well.
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As for the bolded, I gave my opinion on that yesterday.
Alexem said:
Call it a bad feeling. I'll be honest, your committal to your idea sounds genuine - I can't really see scum sitting back and letting a team-mate tunnel someone so hard - but I can't help but feel that the more you push, the more forced it seems to me. That's my take, anyway, I can't speak for others.
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It's not to do with examples of behaviour - it's the fact that I could apply the bussing logic with regards to Splinter as much to Melon as I could to you in my eyes. That was my view of the situation, take it or leave it.
 
melonrabbit

melonrabbit

The only good kind of melon
Oh. I'm sure you haven't forgotten your tunnel. No worries there.

I have repeatedly asked you to explain your theory. You have dodged my questions or say "scum won't" in response. So, I'm not sure why you once to once again go the exact same things as though some new conclusion will arise or you would be suddenly be less stubborn. @EzekelRAGE

It's becoming busy work and not much else.

You, like Stark, are married to you work.
 
Yuta

Yuta

I have no idea how to feel about NZJubJub, I'll look over his posts.

In the meantime I want to send in another contestant for the lynch:

Vote: Muffin
 
faircure

faircure

Muffin said:
I'd be down for an Extreme or a Faircure lynch today I think. Extreme is the only really suspicious in the D2 shots left in my opinion, and I said why I don't really like how Faircure is playing either. I saw her acknowledge that she isn't around much, but that's not really the crux of the problem. There are a bunch of inactive people. It seems a bit deliberate (I'm sorry if it's not, I know that that can be frustrating to read) and how I think Faircure would play as scum. She wasn't extremely active in HvV either, but this seems like an attempt to fly under the radar. And I think that makes Faircure dangerous, as not many notice her much as it seems to me.

Reminds me of GG in Cluedo Mafia.
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I just woke up and I'll be here if there's anything you wanna ask me

Sawneeks said:
Also gives a very weird and convoluted reason to vote against Faircure, the person he gave the antidote to during the Event (4804) when he says he had zero reason to pick her over Geno, Kawl, or Apollo.
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You thought it was weird? There was two or three points I thought were more weird than scummy or a bit of a stretch but I felt overall they weren't bad accusations. I can also believe that he gave it to me to see what I'd do, other people gave the same reason.
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
Alexem said:
@EzekelRAGE - LuxCommander claimed to have heard Zipped being jailed:

As for the bolded, I gave my opinion on that yesterday.

It's not to do with examples of behaviour - it's the fact that I could apply the bussing logic with regards to Splinter as much to Melon as I could to you in my eyes. That was my view of the situation, take it or leave it.
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So you really dont have a reason as to why you chose me over melon other than gut and I pushed for it?

What are your thoughts on melon?
Do you town read her? If so why? If not why?

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Rereading more posts for the day
Verelios said:
Since
VOTE: Splinter

Hopefully my vote doesn't go wonky this time
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As I said earlier, idk why Vere's vote didnt pop up, but it appears he wanted to vote splinter

Apollo said:
results of my skim through melon’s posts: It’s an interesting coincidence that her opening vote was on Splinter. I quite like her interactions with Terra in regards to Ferg, because upon reading that discussion in further detail I do find myself agreeing with her on that. That being said, it could be town going to bat for town as much as scum going to and for scum or scum going to bat for a town for townie points. Ultimately that’s NAI, but because I agree it comes off a slight town read for me. She has a lot of fluff posts too which is something to note.
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Apollo is leaning splinter. But ends up voting no lynch in the end.
 
Yuta

Yuta

Alexem said:
Coming as it did in a series of posts, I don't know if I'd call that a serious accusation or Blarg being Blarg.
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That is Blarg throwing opinions out there and see what sticks. This is actually one thing he does as town as well. But he's not following up on it at all. You can only be sure that he scumreads someone, when he's further interrogating, which is completely missing so far.
 
Extreme Tactician

Extreme Tactician

Muffin said:
I'd be down for an Extreme or a Faircure lynch today I think. Extreme is the only really suspicious in the D2 shots left in my opinion, and I said why I don't really like how Faircure is playing either. I saw her acknowledge that she isn't around much, but that's not really the crux of the problem. There are a bunch of inactive people. It seems a bit deliberate (I'm sorry if it's not, I know that that can be frustrating to read) and how I think Faircure would play as scum. She wasn't extremely active in HvV either, but this seems like an attempt to fly under the radar. And I think that makes Faircure dangerous, as not many notice her much as it seems to me.

Reminds me of GG in Cluedo Mafia.
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I'm seriously willing to be thrown questions.
 
Muffin

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
Extreme Tactician said:
I'm seriously willing to be thrown questions.
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I don't really know what there is to be asked. A scum member could have boosted a shot on D2. Four shots hit. Two shooters are dead, your shot is the more suspicious to me.

I could ask you why you shot Verelios, but I think almost everybody at the time wanted Vere dead, so your motivation isn't gonna differ much.
 
Alexem

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
EzekelRAGE said:
So you really dont have a reason as to why you chose me over melon other than gut and I pushed for it?

What are your thoughts on melon?
Do you town read her? If so why? If not why?
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Why do you automatically jump to the conclusion that just because I've challenged your argument that Melon must be scum because she domed Splinter, I must be favouring one of you? I'm trying to raise a point, not launch an attack. If you'd taken my suggestion on board, I'd have respected that, regardless of whether or not I agreed with you. Instead, you seem to have just gone on the defensive, as if you're afraid of being called out.

What do I think of Melon? She's not just been going over the same old ground over and over again for the last three days, so to be quite honest, I do get a better feeling from her? Can that alone make me certain that she's town? No, but at least I fell like she's moving along with the game instead of fixating on individual details.
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
Alexem said:
Why do you automatically jump to the conclusion that just because I've challenged your argument that Melon must be scum because she domed Splinter, I must be favouring one of you? I'm trying to raise a point, not launch an attack. If you'd taken my suggestion on board, I'd have respected that, regardless of whether or not I agreed with you. Instead, you seem to have just gone on the defensive, as if you're afraid of being called out.

What do I think of Melon? She's not just been going over the same old ground over and over again for the last three days, so to be quite honest, I do get a better feeling from her? Can that alone make me certain that she's town? No, but at least I fell like she's moving along with the game instead of fixating on individual details.
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Called out on what exactly? You have made several posts regarding me directly in this game.
One - after the ry flip you planted the seeds that maybe my shot wasnt so lucky.
Two - Your opening post this day phase was about me and ET and us getting a hit.
Three - Yes the last sentence in that post was "you both look equally scummy" but the bulk of that post didnt look that way at all. Even @Natiko and @Sawneeks thought the same thing as me.

All I did was ask you your thoughts on melon. You are the one being defensive.
 
Fandorin

Fandorin

Muffin said:
I don't really know what there is to be asked. A scum member could have boosted a shot on D2. Four shots hit. Two shooters are dead, your shot is the more suspicious to me.

I could ask you why you shot Verelios, but I think almost everybody at the time wanted Vere dead, so your motivation isn't gonna differ much.
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Wait, I hadn't seen this. Scum probably had a boosted shot for D2 and two of the shooters have flipped town already then?

Could scum boost a town member to do the shot or was the role limited to own members?
 
Yuta

Yuta

Fandorin said:
Wait, I hadn't seen this. Scum probably had a boosted shot for D2 and two of the shooters have flipped town already then?

Could scum boost a town member to do the shot or was the role limited to own members?
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Welcome Apollo,

You are She-Hulk. True Identity Jennifer Walters.

Your role is Mafia ITA Manipulator. You may use the command BOOST:<playername> or NERF:<playername> once per night phase. If you boost a player, their ITA hit rate will be increased to 100%. If you nerf a player, their ITA hit rate will be lowered to 0%. You may not target the same player two nights in a row.
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Fandorin

Fandorin

Never mind, I found it.

So Apollo could boost or nerf anyone. Obviously the boost is more appealing for scum, since the ITA hit rate is so low and there are still so many players.

Welcome Apollo,

You are She-Hulk. True Identity Jennifer Walters.

Your role is Mafia ITA Manipulator. You may use the command BOOST:<playername> or NERF:<playername> once per night phase. If you boost a player, their ITA hit rate will be increased to 100%. If you nerf a player, their ITA hit rate will be lowered to 0%. You may not target the same player two nights in a row.

You may also use the command KILL:<playername> once per night to execute the mafia factional kill. Your target will be killed assuming they have no form of protection. You may use both your individual ability and the factional ability in the same night, if applicable.

You win when the mafia team outnumbers all other players.
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heymonkey

heymonkey

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Catching up:
Natiko said:
An interesting start to the game from Stan. I don't know if it's particularly alignment indicative for him though.
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It was about me (and accurate) but even I didn't know how to read it. scumStan pandering or townStan being Stan?

Anyway, speaking of @StanleyPalmtree, He Of Great Avatars:

So you didn't have anyone else you might have wanted to lynch or even pressure vote outside of the Include/Natiko situation? You've been pretty involved in this game - way more than a lot of other people - so I'm sure you have some nagging read somewhere.
 
Stantastic

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
Welp, i bet imma sleep through the day end again, and since i dont have much in the way of scum reads (they all keep dying, first world mafia problems) beyond iffy feelings about people i think imma do this.

Vote: Blargonaut

I dont like how little we have heard from you, given this games wealth of fuckery you have been practically, well, boring. A terrible sign if there ever was one.
And it should be noted that factitious non-responses will only make this feeling worse.
 
Yuta

Yuta

I was going by Muffin's line of thought myself at the start of this day, but someone pointed out how easy it would be to track back this power.
Nerfing scum shots to miss (Apollo could self-target, he missed Vere) could be possible as well. Or the boosted one didn't shoot at all. There are possibilities.

To be absolutely clear, we had 4 hits during D2.

Zeke hit Splinter
Mazre hit Zipped (he already had 100% accuracy)
Terra hit Trigger (dead, flipped town)
ET hit Vere

We had Hecht who could've boosted someone during N1 to 100% as well - he left no crumbs.

I've come around on ET, I do not believe he is scum. He's looking for advice and easily following it. He could be pocketing me, but I think he'd rather go into the scum chat instead of displaying it here.
 
heymonkey

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Natiko said:
Overall, I'd generally say null based on all this. There just..isn't a lot. Getting into meta a bit though, I actually think this all points towards a town Brazil. I think a scum Brazil would try harder to establish himself in the game knowing that he has a small team that needs his help. Town Brazil that wasn't really following along and ends up in a game that starts steamrolling in town's favor.. I could easily see him just not stressing about it. Lean town.
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Interesting, as this aligns with Fandorin's read in a way. And a good point about engagement. I assume Brazil wants to keep his stats intact, because he's Brazil, so you may be right there.

I guess I'll leave him alone for now but I wish he would get off his ass. :P @Brazil

Sawneeks said:
What's making you feel so certain about rac this early?
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I didn't scumread Ferg. Felt like a newbie who was trying and didn't seem particularly guided by anyone (did we have mentors in this game?). So it's not certain of rac but a pre-rac read. Anyway, I don't ignore rac so I'll see him. /stares

NZJubJub said:
I'll go back through the thread and answer each of the other posts directed at me.
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I would actually be more interested in anything you could offer that moves the game forward. Questions. Reads. A case on someone.
 
Yuta

Yuta

@Fandorin

I'd say if Zeke was scum and this was a setup, they'd still let Splinter shoot first and try to get another townie (even if it's only 15%). Zeke already claimed being shot this night. I'm willing to wait it out in this case.

I'm not opposed to testing ET, we killed enough scum to have some leverage. But my opinion is that he's not scum and I'd not actively pursue this lead.
 
Stantastic

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
heymonkey said:
Catching up:

It was about me (and accurate) but even I didn't know how to read it. scumStan pandering or townStan being Stan?

Anyway, speaking of @StanleyPalmtree, He Of Great Avatars:

So you didn't have anyone else you might have wanted to lynch or even pressure vote outside of the Include/Natiko situation? You've been pretty involved in this game - way more than a lot of other people - so I'm sure you have some nagging read somewhere.
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lol at that timing,
and like, kinda? but those nagging feelings were generally so un defined that votes made at the time would have only been placed under the guise of nebulous "pressure" and i just didnt see much point.
Like if i go by vague feelings right now im looking at Extreme, LoneProdigy, Briefscat, and maybe NZjubjub but i really doubt my ability to unbiased read him.
iv been hoping to find the time to actually look closer at some of these, Extreme in particular, but given that it takes most of my time just to keep up and be somewhat involved in the more immediate concerns i just havnt done that so these nebulous feelings have remained nebulous.

I think most of the issue here is more that iv never really cared how my voting, or lack of it, looks to everyone, so if i dont have a vote i wanna place i just kinda wont.
Its not normally an issue since i would normally have a firmer grasp on the game and thus reasons to vote, but this aint a normal game.
That and everyone predominant that starts looking bad just dies anyway.
 
Kalor

Kalor

Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
Gorlak said:
@Fandorin

I'd say if Zeke was scum and this was a setup, they'd still let Splinter shoot first and try to get another townie (even if it's only 15%). Zeke already claimed being shot this night. I'm willing to wait it out in this case.

I'm not opposed to testing ET, we killed enough scum to have some leverage. But my opinion is that he's not scum and I'd not actively pursue this lead.
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Potentially getting another kill from Splinters shot could have been helpful for scum but there's something to be said for being the first person to post a shot and it hitting town. If Zeke was scum and wanted to gain town cred, I feel like it looks better if you're the first person to post and also removes this line of thinking but in reverse (Zeke being scum but waiting until Splinter shot to maybe get another town kill).
 
Brazil

Brazil

Fandorin said:
@Brazil what do you think of faicure this game? I think I remember you pushing her a bit earlier and our opinions on her tend to match. What do you say?
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I usually get an incredible feeling of earnestness in every town!faircure post. Even though I was scum in HvV, I think the way she posted there made it incredibly obvious that she was town, for example.

I'm not getting that strong feeling in this game. She seems more subdued in how she presents her arguments and prods (even though she's still prodding, which is a good sign), not really going at great lengths to explain her reasonings and all that.
Her somewhat weird vanilla claim fits with the way she usually presents information about herself as a townie, though.

I guess I'm leaning town on her, but also staying open to the possibility that this subdued faircure could be my first contact with scum!faircure.
 
Kalor

Kalor

Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
Fixing a typo

Kalor said:
Potentially getting another kill from Splinters shot could have been helpful for scum but there's something to be said for being the first person to post a shot and it hitting scum. If Zeke was scum and wanted to gain town cred, I feel like it looks better if you're the first person to post and also removes this line of thinking but in reverse (Zeke being scum but waiting until Splinter shot to maybe get another town kill).
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heymonkey

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Just caught up to the ITA:

We have people who are completely unreadable due to being so inactive and so nonparticipative and y'all shoot someone who was at least trying? Giving reactions and more that might become something we could read?

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heymonkey

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StanleyPalmtree said:
I think most of the issue here is more that iv never really cared how my voting, or lack of it, looks to everyone, so if i dont have a vote i wanna place i just kinda wont.
Its not normally an issue since i would normally have a firmer grasp on the game and thus reasons to vote, but this aint a normal game.
That and everyone predominant that starts looking bad just dies anyway.
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Well, I at least value your snarky-ass input and so if people start looking bad and die, let's start trying to think ahead and push on some people to get them to talk or something, you know? That was a huge chunk of the game to have no data from you, and in a game like this, with people dying when they become suspect, it's actually worse, I think. (not in terms of alignment from you, but impact.)
 
Stantastic

Stantastic

Our Badminton Stanpion
heymonkey said:
Well, I at least value your snarky-ass input and so if people start looking bad and die, let's start trying to think ahead and push on some people to get them to talk or something, you know? That was a huge chunk of the game to have no data from you, and in a game like this, with people dying when they become suspect, it's actually worse, I think. (not in terms of alignment from you, but impact.)
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i completely agree.
Hence the Blarg vote.
 
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
melonrabbit said:
I have repeatedly asked you to explain your theory. You have dodged my questions or say "scum won't" in response. @EzekelRAGE
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Can you point to where you have asked me to explain my theories? I explained it all last day phase.
Simplified version is, Scum Gladiator and Scum Splint do TD, for fun and to get more townie points. Other than that I'm not going to reiterate everything again because if you cared you would just go back and look. Also When I posted everything thing last day phase (about the theory, not about your power) you just dodged it and said it wouldnt make sense for scum.

In my post 2782, where I outline how you pushed for a no lynch and make note of how Splinter went out of his way to call 5 ppl out (who were town) that voted for you in the TD.
Your next post is
melonrabbit said:
Yup. That all happened.
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melonrabbit said:
You have dodged my questions or say "scum won't" in response. @EzekelRAGE
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This is an outright lie. I never used "scum wont" as a response. Surely you can go back in my posts and quote me on there correct? Can you please do so to prove it?

That was the response you and ppl defending you would give to argue against my theory.

melonrabbit said:
There is no way scum would use a Thunderdome such a way and if they did they wouldn't risk a Jack to it. They'd throw in a goon.
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melonrabbit said:
Will you answering the biggest holea in your theory? Why waste a Jack. Why would I bother no lynching or claiming at all. Or why scum would now further draw attention to the fact I'm supposedly scum by killing nin and kyan in you theory? The further you take this the less sense you make.
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Those are examples of you saying "scum wont waste a jack, they would do a goon"

Also if the last quote is what is suppose to blow a whole in my theory that Scum Gladiator did it, I will answer it for you now.
Why waste a jack - Splinter was never in danger. Since you both pushed for a no lynch. Also as we have seen, they had more than one jack.
Why would you no lynch - If you are both scum, then no lynch is the only option
Why would you claim the TD? - Most town assumes the TD person was townie after Splint flip.
Nin and Kyan deaths - Could be used either way.
 
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