Just before the Day dawned I was thinking that if Blarg was still alive without our protective roles it would be suspect as hell. I guess scum was going for a long run smear campaign, but gave up and shot him dead anyway.
Game Thread Marvel Heroes Mafia - Half of You Will Enjoy This
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Just before the Day dawned I was thinking that if Blarg was still alive without our protective roles it would be suspect as hell. I guess scum was going for a long run smear campaign, but gave up and shot him dead anyway.
I'm not sure what you mean by "reluctantly voted for him" when I mentioned before my vote on Zubz that I was fine with either lynch. Someone needed to get lynched, so I switched my vote from Zubz to ET to prevent a potential tie. Before that last vote of mine, ET vs. Zubz was 6-5, and since there were like 10 minutes left I couldn't risk a close count like that.
First ITA phase should be starting any time now.
Who's here right now?
It's apparently the last day for ITAs. If you're not doing it this phase then try to make time for it later while you still can.
Oh no, no more bad surprises. :<
Boooooooooo
I blame you for this: Zubz
MISS
Maybe it was used up in a previous day kill? I dunno.
MISS
That was... a quiet ITA phase. So many people are dead now. :<
oreomunsta
Crumbles under pressure *for now*
Missed another ITA :( These happen at the worst times (I'm writing right now right before I head out to work)
I'll try to make it next time, though. That one's close to the end of my day
Yeah, it's 2-fold. I wasn't having a lot of confident reads near the end of the last day phase (I was wrong about Swamped, for example), but there were enough players putting Zubz and I in the "potential scum" basket that I wanted to do something to show town solidarity :] The other is that since Zubz and eye were getting eyed for scum, I'd hope that by hitting him on an odd night phase, something interesting might happen if he were scum
I'll try to make it next time, though. That one's close to the end of my day
Yeah, it's 2-fold. I wasn't having a lot of confident reads near the end of the last day phase (I was wrong about Swamped, for example), but there were enough players putting Zubz and I in the "potential scum" basket that I wanted to do something to show town solidarity :] The other is that since Zubz and eye were getting eyed for scum, I'd hope that by hitting him on an odd night phase, something interesting might happen if he were scum
oreomunsta
Crumbles under pressure *for now*
We're in trouble without Geno :(
I am ITA Immune. I shared that because I don't want town to waste their shots on me. If you really want me gone, it'd be through me getting strong-killed, NK'd, or lynched
I am ITA Immune. I shared that because I don't want town to waste their shots on me. If you really want me gone, it'd be through me getting strong-killed, NK'd, or lynched
Goddamnit, thought Geno was protected...
I refuse to believe scum have a strong-day kill every phase, that’s way over the top considering how many scum power roles we’ve seen already.
melon got notified that her BP was gone (probably by Ezekel’s Bowser 1-shot), so Geno saying that he still had it is weird.
Why would Geno lie about this? I mean, only thing that wouls do is confuse town, since scum obviously knew who was targeted.
I refuse to believe scum have a strong-day kill every phase, that’s way over the top considering how many scum power roles we’ve seen already.
melon got notified that her BP was gone (probably by Ezekel’s Bowser 1-shot), so Geno saying that he still had it is weird.
Why would Geno lie about this? I mean, only thing that wouls do is confuse town, since scum obviously knew who was targeted.
That makes sense and it’s recalling me of Blade’s own explanation for his shot at DCPat.
I’m unsure how to best handle this situation. I thought that Zubz had tried to go for Geno and had been delayed, but he apparently got shot this night after all, which would actually clear Zubz.
Pretty obvious to me. Despite some general suspicions here and there, no way was Geno ever getting lynched at this point.
Im so sorry i doubted you. You were a good ally and a bastard like always.
I like how Geno had Cyclops, the character most think is an asshole but is really one of the truest heroes.
Seems fitting here
Seems fitting here
But how would that work here? Pretend that town had another protective role on him that night?
I’m not sure “reluctant” is the best word here, but point is that the two of you didn’t vote for Extreme initially, despite actually being fine with his lynch like both of you just added.
I understand both reasonings and they are not inherently scummy. Polter avoiding a last minute tie and Zubz leaving Kalor’s wagon that was not going far then make sense, but I can’t ignore that at first you didn’t push for the known scum, despite being ok with his lynch.
Quick thought: Scum would want me alive to take heat off them due to how much focus is on a claimed Vanilla Town that they (& I) would know isn’t Scum instead of them. As a result, unless they have someone who can block their own ITA shots, Poltergust & Kalor read town to me. Leaving few options left if Kawl, Oreo, & Lux read safe.
... Gonna be bummed if CoolestSpot is Scum. We were supposed to be a team!
... Gonna be bummed if CoolestSpot is Scum. We were supposed to be a team!
Adding some confusion to scum on who they should target and trying to scare them out of killing him. We don’t know that geno was targeted/actually had a vest what with the delay and other shit happening. I mean shit they could have delayed blarg again and killed him. To make sure another Bp didn’t go out. And geno was just running a con attempt on deterring scum from shooting at him.
I haven't gone after you cause I love ya. I'd never kill you despite what team we on, our love goes beyond that.
The (Alive) Player List
Considering the worst case scenario of a mislynch + 3 kills (counting the day kill), we reach D7 with 6 town / 2 scum. If we mislynch again that would put us at LYLO with 2 town / 2 scum.
I'm really glad that we got Extreme when we did, since we still have some leeway. Well, gotta remember that we can't take into consideration the ITA shots or the remaining event today.
- rac
- Ynnek
- faircure
- Brazil
- CoolestSpot
- LuxCommander
- Poltergust
- oreomunsta
- Kalor
- Zubz
- Kawl
- Fandorin
Considering the worst case scenario of a mislynch + 3 kills (counting the day kill), we reach D7 with 6 town / 2 scum. If we mislynch again that would put us at LYLO with 2 town / 2 scum.
I'm really glad that we got Extreme when we did, since we still have some leeway. Well, gotta remember that we can't take into consideration the ITA shots or the remaining event today.
I see your point, it's just weird that Geno would do that since he was always very forthcoming, even when he lied through his teeth with the Sawneeks claim.
I'll add that Lux heard / saw Zubz get delayed this Night and oreo claims it, so little reason to believe that Blarg was delayed again at least.
Extreme's vote on Zubz makes me trust Zubz a little more, and Kalor a little less. Back then, it created a 3-way tied between Extreme, Kalor and Zubz. Extreme could've voted for Kalor and put him in the lead, but he didn't.
This could, yes, be a very well-placed bus vote. Hmm.
This could, yes, be a very well-placed bus vote. Hmm.
I don't understand what you mean here. Can you reword it, please?
This is very hard to swallow as a town claim. A townie with an arguably negative utility power that's ITA-immune? Eh.
Bus votes are never foolish. It may not seem like it, but town cred is a much more valuable asset for scum than PRs in the long run.
You’re saying that scum would want to keep you alive throughout today so you can get lynched at the end?
But what difference would that make? If Polter and Kalor are scum they need to shoot somewhere today, while also being consistent with their own reads and votes.
This is a pretty NAI point in the end.
Ynnek7
OH MY GOD, THEY LYNCHED YNNEK
Sorry for not posting last night/today yet. I'm keeping up, but I just got home from the dentist to have a bridge put in, so I'm probably not at my best right now (pain meds are only just kicking in...) I should be here for the rest of the day though, at least through to the next ITA session.
Maybe the Geno day kill was scum just calling his and Blarg's bluff, or getting him set up for an ITA or nightkill. Can't see anyone going for the ITA on him, though.
With zubz being delayed last night, if there is another kill tonight that would make him pretty suspect.
Is it possible they tried to kill Geno last night, got delayed, so they used their day kill on Geno to hid the delayed kill?
Maybe the Geno day kill was scum just calling his and Blarg's bluff, or getting him set up for an ITA or nightkill. Can't see anyone going for the ITA on him, though.
With zubz being delayed last night, if there is another kill tonight that would make him pretty suspect.
Is it possible they tried to kill Geno last night, got delayed, so they used their day kill on Geno to hid the delayed kill?
Reading back is such a 10/10 move.
VOTE: Kalor
Good stuff, Kalor.
VOTE: Kalor
Yea that’s a fuck up, but how does it make them scum?
Kalor
Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
I just mixed up who got the vest. I didn't have my notes at the time since I was on mobile. Of course Sawneeks role ends up making me look bad but that was just a mixup.
Ah that’s does it. Forgot about neeks being delayed
Wait, I’m not following. What is so scummy about that?
Scum shot at Sawneeks during N3. She didn't die. Came D4, Kalor slipped and said "We knew Saw had a BP from Blarg" despite the fact that no one had said that before.
Woof. That is a bad look, thought that post came after her claim.
Who were you even thinking about then Kalor?
Kalor
Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
I knew either Sawneeks or Melon got a vest but incorrectly thought that it was Saw. Brazil did leave out my response to the correction from the time, although it's just what my last post said.
I've tabled all D4 votes to see movement around the time Sawneeks starts being a solid candidate for the lynch (you can see it here; yes, I'm bored; no, it doesn't really show anything insane at all).
Soon after melon gets killed, town!Geno and town!Muffin vote against Saw, putting her in the lead with 2 votes. Four players then move at that point: Kawl, town!Stan, oreo and Zubz.
Kawl votes for Kalor.
Stan votes for briefs.
oreo votes for Swamped.
Zubz unvotes off of Blarg, and votes briefs, putting him in the lead.
I can picture scenarios in which Kawl, oreo or Zubz moved to defuse the Saw train soon after it started. Kawl is still green-checked, obviously. And trying to defuse a lynch by starting a new one, as oreo would have in this hypothetical scenario, is too out there.
That leaves me with the Zubz vote as the most suspicious one. He drops the "Blarg thing" without really explaining why and proceeds to dump an unexplained vote against briefs, putting briefs ahead of Sawneeks.
He also mentions hoping that something would come to him at work, but that apparently didn't happen, because he ended the phase without moving their vote or elaborating on why he voted briefs.
Rereading Fand's ISO of Zubz, I was also reminded of some previous sketchy behavior of his, like the wobbling around townreading/scumreading melon at the start, and the post-Mazre flip "I thought Mazre was scum, but my gut didn't" comment.
Soon after melon gets killed, town!Geno and town!Muffin vote against Saw, putting her in the lead with 2 votes. Four players then move at that point: Kawl, town!Stan, oreo and Zubz.
Kawl votes for Kalor.
Stan votes for briefs.
oreo votes for Swamped.
Zubz unvotes off of Blarg, and votes briefs, putting him in the lead.
I can picture scenarios in which Kawl, oreo or Zubz moved to defuse the Saw train soon after it started. Kawl is still green-checked, obviously. And trying to defuse a lynch by starting a new one, as oreo would have in this hypothetical scenario, is too out there.
That leaves me with the Zubz vote as the most suspicious one. He drops the "Blarg thing" without really explaining why and proceeds to dump an unexplained vote against briefs, putting briefs ahead of Sawneeks.
He also mentions hoping that something would come to him at work, but that apparently didn't happen, because he ended the phase without moving their vote or elaborating on why he voted briefs.
Rereading Fand's ISO of Zubz, I was also reminded of some previous sketchy behavior of his, like the wobbling around townreading/scumreading melon at the start, and the post-Mazre flip "I thought Mazre was scum, but my gut didn't" comment.
To revisit my list from the last phase:
People I'm comfortable with
rac
Ynnek7
LuxCommander
Poltergust 1
Kawl
Fandorin
People I'm not comfortable with
Zubz 1 2
oreomunsta 1 2
Kalor 1 but 2
People I'm not comfortable with, but not as badly as the ones above
faircure 1
CoolestSpot - The shot at Fandorin puts him on this list. Last possibility I'm entertaining for scum in the Greed event. Still no sign of the I am Groot power.
People I'm comfortable with
rac
Ynnek7
LuxCommander
Poltergust 1
Kawl
Fandorin
People I'm not comfortable with
Zubz 1 2
oreomunsta 1 2
Kalor 1 but 2
People I'm not comfortable with, but not as badly as the ones above
faircure 1
CoolestSpot - The shot at Fandorin puts him on this list. Last possibility I'm entertaining for scum in the Greed event. Still no sign of the I am Groot power.
I like how people acting like Fan is town, when his posts are iffy as hell
He doesn't even have marvel avatar
You've been saying this since that shot you took an you still haven't provided receipts.
This one for example
Kalor
Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
Can you point to an actual post that feels iffy?
I brought this up yesterday, but Kalor being scum feels wrong to me considering he tried to kill their doctor. Isn't a role like that too important to risk losing, especially at this stage of the game?
As far as I know, Sorian only mentioned that today would have the last ITA phases for the game at the end of Day 5, way after Kalor's shot attempt. Maybe Lone_Prodigy would not be as effective after today, but there's no way they could have known that before now, right?
Wasn't there a mention of a mafia team hit chance being different or something in Rynam's PM? It could be that it's lower than town's and so they feel safer about taking shots at each other maybe.
Yes, that's something to consider, even though I don't think the doctor is that valuable a role for scum considering the hit rate for ITAs.
Overall, the ITAs chart lends Kalor some credit. There's also the fact that Extreme tried to shoot Kalor immediately after LP being hit in the last phase.
hom3land/Kalor's shot at Verelios right after the one Extreme took on D2-3 also intrigues me. Would hom3land/Kalor use a shot at Verelios as smokescreen for the awful shot at Kawl that followed suit?
Kalor
Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
The mention of hit chance in Rynams PM was about his NPC specifically. DCPat boosted their hit chance by 5% but only while he was alive.
On the contrary no? DCPat’s role increased the chance of scum members hitting their ITA shoots.
The other thing is that LP could protect their members with his role, but not himself so that shoot was legit.
I think for the sake of everyone here, I should post up each role PM for scum so we don't have to dig through the whole thread for those. Give me some time here...
I disagree that scum roles should be taken into consideration on this though. LP was an unknown factor and MIA most of the time, so shooting him was easy, even for scum.
*phew*
I think these are in order of when they died, too.
Even if it is easily justifiable to shoot him, would scum really do that? I get that Lone_Prodigy was inactive in the thread, but that doesn't necessarily mean he was not using his ability every night.
This isn't a Verelios situation (we can probably assume now the 100% kill shot was given to ET, incidentally) where Lone_Prodigy was next to be lynched.
No one is downplaying your shot, Polter. We're just arguing that a shot like that doesn't necessarily confirm anyone as town.
What happened to you is proof that shooting LP would be worth it at this point for scum. You were under scrutiny and now you're not.
I'm batting for Kalor with that argument. The arguments for me being town probably go beyond that, actually. I like to think of my shot as being the turning point for town, personally.
I mean, we got 2 scum in a row due to that. I think that before that we were going to mislynch again, and with 4 or so scum still alive we'd probably be at LYLO today, especially if ET stuck around with his odd-night kill for last night.
<3
Because I’m one of the primary discussion points. Scum know I’m not one of them, as do I. But the remaining players don’t know that, making discussion on me prevent discussion on Scum today.
That’s why Scum go after vocal players; they don’t want meaningful discussion.
Gotcha, sorry, I've forgotten some of the flips. Ty for the masterpost Polter.
Looking at them, Splinter and Extreme gave extra kills as long as they were alive. Include had an extra kill if she predicted the protection. She also had the fake bp/gun ability, so would scum have another role like that? The Geno situation is so weird. I really wonder where the extra kill N1 came from, ymmv but I feel like Include would've saved the protection ability until it was more clear who'd be protected.
n1- crimson, hecht, donna, faddy- all mafia? splinter kill, extreme kill, faction kill, and ? possibly include
n2- salva, zipped kill blocked by jail. just factional kill that night?
n3- gorlak, zipped by mafia, sawneeks kill possibly? other flips claimed by town. extreme kill + factional kill + ?
n4- blade. just factional kill?
n5- blarg. just factional kill?
There were also two daykills on D2 and that never happened again unless the roles were linked like Zeke and Monkey. Also, are there really no neutrals? Not one has flipped yet and it's weird. There's at least two mafia left I think, or the daykiller has some other powers if they're the last one.
Btw, also agree that a shot on LP is probably one of the easier buses, there was no way he was going to survive much longer. But I feel better about Polter more due to his contributions and behavior about the votes last phase than his hit on LP.
Hit them baby one more time: Fandorin
Whyyyyy
Things are going on beyond the scenes baby
Kalor
Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
What things? Are you two working together?
oreomunsta
Crumbles under pressure *for now*
Are we in ITA? Did I finally make it to one of these parties? :D
No but lets say i have reasons that go beyond just "iffy posts"
then tell us?? why would you keep that quiet
Kalor
Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
Then say it. This game probably isn't going to last for more than a couple of days at this point.
Explain it. Convince me.
I was sent a message 2 day phases ago that Fandorin was scum, nothing else, but a "unknown source".
I am shooting my first ITAs to see if I can trust this source
I am shooting my first ITAs to see if I can trust this source