And you're right, Kawl. Even if I think a scenario in which town!Kalor flips out and tries to be the hero is likely, the ideal town move for him would've still been to follow through and eliminate the three players people have suspicions of, as opposed to shooting someone else no one is suspicious of simply because he could.
Considering the rest of the players we have,
rac - Someone with a confirmed power that we're all 99% sure is not scum.
Ynnek - Confirmed townie.
Kawl - Green-checked with someone else already flipped as scum godfather.
LuxCommander - Trusted player with confirmed actions and role/motivations for actions that fit with a townie's.
Fandorin - Trusted player who was shot by Coolest this very phase.
Poltergust - The player who killed LP.
oreo - ITA immune.
Shooting me was actually the only possible "wrong move" scum!Kalor could've possibly been able to justify.
Lol that’s a little aggressive@Poltergust , do you mind, like, dying for us?
What was going to happen if kalor shot Faircure like we had planned?I’m kinda lost on reading Kalor at this point. Earlier I thought he was playing like a bit like flustered scum, his shot at Blarg was bad and his defense felt too deflective to me. Brazil argued that was not the case and I kinda disarmed myself about it after Extreme appeared as a viable lynch candidate.
His shot at Brazil doesn’t make sense as scum; no way he is getting out of this. I even thought rac would shoot him dead right after it.
I suppose it might make sense if he’s actually not the last scum member and just wanted to kill Brazil for outing him, but that’s still weird, since he could’ve just shot rac to secure his lynch and give his team another day in the game.
What was going to happen if kalor shot Faircure like we had planned?
“No way is he getting out of this”
As you talk yourself into letting him get out of this...
Possibly getting out of a lynch sure beats getting shot don’t it? It makes perfect sense as final scum. 2% chance is better than 0%rac would’ve shot him.
You feel that I’m defending him? The only other lynch available at this point is oreo’s and I’m not feeling it.
I don’t see much logic in what Kalor did as scum, but he is getting lynched for this.
If Kalor hadn’t shot at me, he’d be dead right now (if rac had shown up, I guess).I’m kinda lost on reading Kalor at this point. Earlier I thought he was playing like a bit like flustered scum, his shot at Blarg was bad and his defense felt too deflective to me. Brazil argued that was not the case and I kinda disarmed myself about it after Extreme appeared as a viable lynch candidate.
His shot at Brazil doesn’t make sense as scum; no way he is getting out of this. I even thought rac would shoot him dead right after it.
I suppose it might make sense if he’s actually not the last scum member and just wanted to kill Brazil for outing him, but that’s still weird, since he could’ve just shot rac to secure his lynch and give his team another day in the game.
Possibly getting out of a lynch sure beats getting shot don’t it? It makes perfect sense as final scum. 2% chance is better than 0%
If Kalor hadn’t shot at me, he’d be dead right now (if rac had shown up, I guess).
Yeah, but we were both asking for him to shoot faircureWasn’t rac scum reading Kalor harder than he was faircure? I was kinda surprised that he didn’t shoot Kalor instead of her.
Possibly, but he has shown that he was going to follow consensus so I imagine the earlier posted list plus Brazil’s plea has him target fair as the town pickWasn’t rac scum reading Kalor harder than he was faircure? I was kinda surprised that he didn’t shoot Kalor instead of her.
Also he comes off looking way less good than polter from the last event. He took time looking into how to play it and what not clearly going to try and ensure he won, versus polter looking to maximize the gain for the most number of people. One of those is a very individual self centered approach, as one might expect from a lone scum feeling desperate and in need of a boost from an event win.
Sure sure that’s somewhat reasonable. But it’s just the third thing that makes me go hmmmmmm about you now in the past two days.It's easier to read it that way after the fact but in the moment when we couldn't communicate with each other in the roughly 15 minute gap, I thought we would be playing a regular game. Especially with the precedent that was set by previous events.
You keep saying that?Wait for Polter to die.
No one has agreed to my idea of a mass claim. With so few unclaimed roles, though, I guess it doesn't matter now.
I'm Wolverine, Town Death Faker. I can send a command during the day phase to fake my death until the next day phase, where I'll return alive. During the time I'm "dead", I cannot post or be targeted by any actions. I can only do this once and cannot do it during any ITA phases.
I'd be glad to prove it to you guys for tonight. If someone dies tonight then it'll prove it's a town role (assuming we have only one more scum left).
And no, I don't know why this is a town role. It pretty much only benefits me and puts a lot of pressure on me to prove my self worth in order to even justify using it.
Because maybe LP was just bandwagonning to make Kalor suspicious. He's still suspicous for shooting a confimed townie. It's just thst Kalor also made a good point with his posts.
ITS ALMOST LIKE WE HAD A PLAN TO HAVE ALL 3 OF YOU SUSPICIOUS BASTARDS FLIPThat sounds like 5 points against Oreo when there's only like 3 against me. I know who I'd lynch.
Yeah, well. We could've cleared up all suspicions today.That sounds like 5 points against Oreo when there's only like 3 against me. I know who I'd lynch.
This is a very interesting detail. We're very far from LyLo if there's just one scum left. However, if there's still two...Oh yeah, one more detail about my role that came from higher up: I can't use it if it'd end the game, meaning it's useless in LYLO situations. So... better use it now before it's too late.
Yesterday you remembered that Coolest sacrificed his powers in that event, but now you say the whole game blurs together? Come on :/I'm not even sure what I could defend myself with at this point. I don't have a compelling case against Oreo beyond whats already been said such as her throwing shade at my Blarg shot and not LPs but honestly, I see how my lynch will provide clarity for later days. If you combine my Brazil shot, Blarg shot and the Sawneeks thing (which I don't personally count but obviously it's hard to take my word for it), it all adds up to make me a pretty compelling lynch. If you go a step further there's even Hom3lands weird shot against Kawl.
Of course there's points in my favour such as my shot on LP and the fact that LP shot Blarg after I did and flipped scum. I'm sure there's other stuff but honestly, this whole game blurs together at this point.
Obviously there's the thing of "Oh hey, the game won't end if you lynch me" but again, there's no way of knowing that without my lynch.
This is a very interesting detail. We're very far from LyLo if there's just one scum left. However, if there's still two...
Yesterday you remembered that Coolest sacrificed his powers in that event, but now you say the whole game blurs together? Come on :/
What does LP shooting Blarg tells us about you?
And why did you seem to immediately the shot at me after taking it? You had enough conviction about it to type that long post beforehand.
Next time listen to those doubtsSome details stick out more than others, also the fact that I've got a bunch of notes to keep track of small details like that. I can't say I've spend much time thinking about points that make me look good.
LP shooting Blarg theoretically clears me. That is if you think the idea of two scum shooting Blarg to be unlikely. It felt like LP saw my vote as an opportunity to hop on and potentially get away with a shot without much suspicion, which they would want when Blarg could give out armour.
I was doubting myself the whole time when I was thinking about taking the shot. I didn't regret it fully until I saw that you survived because I knew that I had wasted a shot that could have helped out.
I'm going to bed. We are not finished with our discussion. LP and Kalor shooting at Blaeg shouldn't distract us from the awful hits from Blarg and Geno.
While he is way more suspicious, you still shot at Blarg. What if you had killed him?
Well you should.
I'll take my shot.
Metsu Shoryuken: Kalor
You know, maybe LP was just piggybacking off of Kalor's shot in order to kill a townie.
Anyway, we still have Geno and Blarg hitting townies. And they still haven't explained themselves.
i was quickly copy and pasting someone's command and saw brazil going crazy about shooting fandorin didn't even know what kalor didsince he could’ve just shot rac to secure his lynch and give his team another day in the game.
Oh we posting Mafia reads?
Kalor
Zubz
LuxCommander
Seriously, that dude has barely appeared in this game.
And then when the vote leads are himself and Kalor, he votes Zubz instead and Kalor disappears from his "mafia reads".I would vote for LuxCommander, but it seems that Zubz is even more suspicious. Lux at leat chimed in every now and then was more consistent. Zubz seems to be just ignoring what he posts.
VOTE: Zubz
Suffering alone
One of these days I'll get offed early on, and then I'll be able to watch the mess from afar
And in that day
I will be a happy man
If onlyMaybe if someone didn't have a vest you could watch this mess.
The weird thing with those posts is that he threw some shade at Kalor at first, but then did a 180º. I can see that being because Kalor’s his mate, or because he’s not. As you said, full-on WIFOM.The shot surprisingly wasn’t that bad. Kalor reasoning is pretty thin but I totally get the appeal of shitty town gambits, the power of a kill might have gone over his head.
But fact is that there is way too many WIFOMS in here for us to keep Kalor around. Like Kawl said, if he’s town he’s too far gone to be believed. On retrospect I think that the Sawneeks mix up with melon is the ugliest thing on his record.
These weird defense posts from Extreme aggravate it too. I think that’s the only instance I can remember of him defending someone other than himself, and we know how confusing that one ended up being.
What do you think of the fact that oreo literally didn’t even show up today?If he’s not scum and there are still 2 around, the game won’t end yet, so I don’t see where else we can go now.
Kalor has said things that make sense, while oreo’s stuff is just bad all around.Sooo... the fact that I did take a shot at Kalor in this previous ITA doesn't matter?
As for LP, I did constantly suggest at the beginning of the game to target low posters. Rynam and LP were in that group, maybe a few other scum. I woudn't go and pick out a large group with several scummies in there with no regard to them in specific. I didn't make mention of LP's flip, because it wasn't that surprising to me, like the Natiko flip was, for example
If oreo is scum he can tie this.vote: oreomunsta
whatever ive trusted kalor for awhile now
If oreo is scum he can tie this.
VOTE: Kalor
Considering how cooperative rac and Kalor have been with these rewards I'd be surprised if one of them flipped scum. Well, maybe the don't have a choice in the end but those reactions felt really good to me.
Well, he wasn’t that cooperative at the end. Though yeah, his reactions and overall openess then felt legit to me.Fand:
Yeah, I know. At this point I’m just trying to gauge feelings.Well, he wasn’t that cooperative at the end. Though yeah, his reactions and overall openess then felt legit to me.
Welcome Kalor,
You are Iron Fist. True Identity Danny Rand.
Your role is Mafia Role Claim Vigilante. You may use the command KILL:<playername> once per night phase. In addition to the kill command, you must provide the name of the player’s role (mechanical role, not flavor role) and the post number where the player claimed. If the player has no protection and the claim is found to be correct, the player will be killed.
You may also use the command KILL:<playername> once per night to execute the mafia factional kill. Your target will be killed assuming they have no form of protection. You may use both your individual ability and the factional ability in the same night, if applicable.
You win when the mafia team outnumbers all other players.