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Chuggernaut

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Dear new friend,

I’ve never played with you before, but I like your name. What’s your opinion on the US Postal Service?

From Chugg
 
I have nothing but respect for the post office. I've never played the part of a mailman before, though. How do you want to make use of our mail ability? It is potentially very powerful, so long as we make good use of it.

For that matter, Mr. Bear, does our mail come with a postmark that informs the recipient of our identities? Or is the mail delivered to their boats anonymously?
 
Thanks!

Okay, that significantly reduces our chances of outing our role to mafia, so long as we are careful with what we put in the message.

Still, we can use our post office powers to theoretically help confirm ourselves as town in a pinch. Well, presuming that people don't scum read a power role that sends messages to people.

Which seems more likely the more I think about it.

Hmmmmm...
 

Chuggernaut

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Yeah, I was trying to figure that out too. When I first read the role I thought it was kind of like a fruit vendor which is pretty town, but the fact that we can write messages means I could see someone scum reading it. I do think we could bread crumb the role by posting in letter format at the start if you’re about that #breadcrumblife
 
I don't think we would benefit from breadcrumbing. If we want to build up cred from our role, we just need to use the people we send messages to to back up our claim. If we put information in a message that we can then confirm with players in the main thread, we can hopefully prove our role if necessary.

Wait, except scum can talk to each other too, so it just looks like we are scum chatting. Okay, this is hard.

Alright, we need to send a message to someone who gets confirmed as a townie. If we claim to have sent a message to a pair who flips town, and they confirmed that prior to flipping, that is a more solid alibi.

Maybe we could send out coded messages to townie pairs that spell something out when they are all combined on like day 4 or so? If we live that long.

Of course, sharing useful info on our reads might not hurt either.
 

Chuggernaut

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I like the coded idea, but I think the issue is if the pair we give the message to doesn't share it, and then they die. It could end up setting us back as far as our claim goes.

It's not a huge deal if we accidentally mail scum some stuff because it just lets them know that we're a thing, but it doesn't tell them who we are. Not to mention I'm sure town will out us at some point anyway.

I guess we can just mail people list of reads lol.
 
So what does the current meta consist of anyways? Does it still boil down to "scum lies low all game and coasts to victory as town hammers down the visible players?"
 

Chuggernaut

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You'll still get that occasionally, but I've had games where people like Monkey, Natiko, and Fran have been scum and very active and they ended up winning without getting killed.
 
At least active scum makes for a more interesting game.

For that matter, do you think we should lie low at first, or do anything else? To be honest, I am not sure that any particular strategy will keep us safe from the mafia lynch, because the thought process of the mafia always seems inexplicable to me. So I lean towards just trying to be reasonably active.
 

Chuggernaut

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Yeah, I would say it’s better to be active. I’ve never played with you so I don’t know your reputation, but we have some pretty good players in this game so I’m not expecting to be NK’d anytime soon unless one of us decides to pretend that we’re a cop for some nonsense reason.
 
Don't worry, I'm not the kind of player to come up with reckless gambits.

It is going to take me a while to remember who is partnered with whom in this game, though.
 
So, when you sober up Chuggernaut, would you mind telling me why you don't think Stuart is worth a vote today?

Personally, so far I think kitsune is town. She is aggressive, but is being sloppy in a natural, engaged way. The way that B-Dubs acted combined with Sorian's attitude makes me more suspicious of those two.
 

Chuggernaut

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It's not so much as I think he's town, but he has rough day ones typically but he turns into a scum hunting machine if you leave him around for a bit. He's worth keeping an eye on, but if he's town he would be very useful to have as a team mate. I've seen Stu read the entire scum team and lead town to victory during two different games.

I agree on Kitsune. It's super sloppy play, but that's why she comes across as town. I'll look into B-Dubs and Sorian a bit more, but B-Dubs isn't super experienced because town really likes killing him early. Not sure about Sorian though. I'll reread both of those when I'm a bit more sober
 
I hate to say it, but I'm struggling here. It is hard to get solid reads on people on day 1. I know that I'm not a fan of the people who made a big show of saying "day 1 is bullshit", like stan did. Brazil's last post where he nodded his head at Apollo's scum read of us feels low-effort, but that could just be the OMGUS speaking.
 

Chuggernaut

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I am too. I’m going to look into Pirate Bae a bit, because whoever pointed that out might be into something there, but aside from that I got nothing
 

Chuggernaut

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Okay friend. Let's put our heads together.

If you think I'm nuts for not wanting to vote Stuart and Monkey let me know.

Also, I know that you're having trouble with scum reads, but who are you feeling as town?
 
I don't think you are nuts, I don't really see much reason to vote for Stuart or Dr. Monkey today. They are a little frustrated and stuck, but every townie who gets hounded for 30 hours gets like that. So I am putting them at a slight town lean. They could be scum, but I don't feel it today.

As I said earlier, kitsune is giving me townie vibes. Fantomas and Verelios are putting in some work, but I can't say much about their partners. Ditto for Natiko. I guess those three pairs are "wait and see".

I'm not sure why, but Brazil is giving me a weird vibe. I haven't seen much from FluxwaveZ either. As I mentioned in the thread, I didn't like stan's posts, and I haven't seen anything from flatearthpandas that really says town to me.

Also, Coolestspot really seemss ummy to me, but apparently he is acting out a role or something? I don't know what to make of players who have weird schticks. At the moment I wouldn't be bothered if we voted him out though.

Geno and Funky Dude Sparks seem a little off to me too.

These are all still just musings though. I will probably need to reread the thread during the night phase.
 

Chuggernaut

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I agree about Kitsunem, Fanto, and Vere. Kalor is playing about how I expect him too, but yeah, I'm not super sold on Vere and Fanto's partners. Natiko is really good at looking like he's trying to solve the game as scum so just keep an eye out there.

Brazil very well could be scum, but I'm fairly alright with the two of them as of now. It is weird, but they're playing how I've seen them play as town. I liked Stan a bit more, but that was mostly a gut read to be honest. Pandas hasn't been great.

Yeah, Coolest, Sparks and Kyaa to a lesser degree kind of have gimmicks going on. I want to see more from Coolest before I make up my mind there. Him and Kyaa can both be pretty good players.

Geno being weirdly aggressive and Sparks making some questionable posts are very in line with how they normally are. I've seen Geno play that was as scum too. I will say this though, I don't think that weird chain lynch thing that they floated would be a scum move. I don't see a world where that team and Stuart and Monkeys team are both scum, and if Geno and Sparky are scum, then Sparky probably wouldn't of floated that we should die next because they would know that Stuart and Monkey aren't going to flip scum. I don't know, it's kind of WIFOM, but I think they're okay for now.
 

Chuggernaut

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I would try to switch to one of the vote leaders before EOD unless the Fran thing picks up stream to be honest.

I get what you’re saying about the Kitsune thing feeling fake so we can try to prevent that.
 

Chuggernaut

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I'm kind of in the same boat (Heh) in regards to this vote. I'm not super sure about Tybro, but it does seem like the best option out of the three I guess
 
I actually stepped away from the game for the last few minutes, before the swing towards kalor/kitsunelaine. I just didn't see a good outcome happening.

We need to try and shake things up to get more info. Perhaps we could send a message to someone with few posts so far or to somone we are suspicious of? I don't think sending a reads list to someone we think is town will do a whole lot of good right now. Especially since I don't have any really good reads.

Maybe we could send an ominous message that implies we have some sort of detection power? That might be too transparent though.

You have any ideas?
 

Chuggernaut

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I actually stepped away from the game for the last few minutes, before the swing towards kalor/kitsunelaine. I just didn't see a good outcome happening.

We need to try and shake things up to get more info. Perhaps we could send a message to someone with few posts so far or to somone we are suspicious of? I don't think sending a reads list to someone we think is town will do a whole lot of good right now. Especially since I don't have any really good reads.

Maybe we could send an ominous message that implies we have some sort of detection power? That might be too transparent though.

You have any ideas?

I was kicking around the idea of writing some super dramatic letter that kind of fits with the game about how we're feeling tonight with a small breadcrumb that could hint at who we are just in case we need to claim. I was thinking about sending it to Fanto and Zipped honestly

You're idea could be interesting too though. It could be a way to bait out a reaction from someone
 
I do think that we should make some effort to obscure our posting styles. We want to be able to claim eventually if we have to, but we don't want to reveal our identities in case we send the letter to scum. So it might not hurt to get a little cryptic or stylized with our message. Being mysterious might do a better job at eliciting a reaction from our message's recipient, if that is what we want.

At the extreme end, we could send a message consisting of nothing but post numbers from the main thread, but that is probably both a touch too cryptic, and too much work.
 

Chuggernaut

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Yeah, I'm down with that. So what are you thinking? Want to send a cryptic message to someone we town read or a cryptic message to people we think are scum implying we know that they are scum?
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
Just going to spit ball here

"I hate nights. I can hear the other boats creaking. At least during the day we can see death coming. During the night? You're left to wonder if the next time you close your will be your last. We're starting to think that we weren't anywhere close the the scum team during this day phase. We'll have to rethink things tomorrow. If you make it through the night we hope you will as well. There's too many damn boats. We know there's evil on some of them. The water is crowded and full of death. However, the sky is still free."

"You two are on the scum team, huh? We'll pour one out for you when town kills you tomorrow."

The first could be to someone we think is town while the second could be to someone who we think might be scum. The sky line in the first one is in reference to you while the pour one out line is a reference to me so we could claim them if need be.
 
Hmmm.... I'll need to think on the message myself. At least we have plenty of time to think on it.

I am still not sure that I want to breadcrumb our identities though. I was more inclined to include something in the message that the recipient would not likely share in the thread, but we could use our knowledge of to demonstrate that we sent the message.

...

Which still might come across as some sort of crazy scum gambit to everyone else. This crowd gets wildly suspicious at ploys like that, even when done by town. On the other hand, they do love breadcrumbs. I am just nervous about leaving a trail of breadcrumbs that leads scum straight to us.
 

Chuggernaut

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I guess I'm hoping that it's subtle enough that it'll make sense that it's us if we point it out, but no one will think anything of it otherwise
 

Chuggernaut

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Anyway, just let me know what you want to do about it. I would prefer to send it a bit like 6 hours or so before EOD just to give them a little bit of time to kick it around
 
Well, of the two messages you typed up, I think I favor the second one. The "pour" breadcrumb is less overt than the "sky" one.

However, I did have one other possibility to raise: do you think it is worth sticking our hand into the hornets' nest by sending a message to Pirate Bae and Malus? It would not give us as much material for reactions tomorrow, since those two will be under the spotlight regardless. However, it would at least test to see if a switcher or a jailer is in play, if someone has such a role and uses it on that duo.

Our role is, in theory, somewhat well suited to finding out if one of those two roles is in play. It does make me wonder if we do counter something on the scum team.

That plan does have lower odds of working though. I am tempted to save it in case Pirate Bae and Malus start claiming they are cops who were roleblocked.
 

Chuggernaut

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Last question, do you want me to send the first or the second message? I can switch out the Sky line for the pour line in the first one if you want.
 

Chuggernaut

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MAIL: CoolestSpot and Z-Beat You two are on the scum team, huh? We'll pour one out for you when town kills you tomorrow.
 
As soon as the night kill flips, I'm going to need to reread stuff from Day 1. I still need better reads than what I have.
 
Fran and Fandorin? Why not Sorian, Fantomas, Natiko, or Verilos? Or Pirate Bae/Malus? Unless Pirate and Malus show up with something useful, I am definitely increasing my scum read on them.
 

Chuggernaut

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I’m not super shocked about Fran/Fando just because they were getting super town read and scum might of been worried about a doctor. Interested in hearing from Bae today though
 
Coolestspot also mentioned surprise at being scum read so much. He mentioned kalor, but he could also be refering to our message.
 
They seem surprised? I am kinda feeling better about those two. I'll have to watch how they act the rest of this day phase.

Now, I am not sure what to make of Pirate Bae's claims. It sort of sounds like she is claiming that her power was redirected somehow. If that is the case though, why is she claiming to know who is responsible?

Now, if the person responsible was a lightning rod, that could make sense. But wouldn't that have attracted our mail too? But if it was a switcher, how would she know who is responsible?

It isn't adding up for me, but I don't have enough information to even start to bring it up in the thread.
 
I have to say, I do appreciate CoolestSpot using that cut-up magazine image. I was actually wondering if we could send the message like that, lol. It sounds like trouble using that site, though.
 
I finally got caught up today.

Who are you currently town reading? I'm getting good vibes from Natiko and Verilos, and I am willing to trust team Pirate Malus after the full explanation.

On the flip side, I am half convinced that Dr. Monkey and Sorian are both scum who have been obsessively bussing each other all game. Something anout Dr. Monkey seems off, like she is trying to get in my good graces by openly town reading me. And Sorian is being erratic and unhelpful. I am actually considering if he really is a secret partner who is trying to grab scum attention. If Sorian happened to get a secret parter role, that is how I imagine him acting.
 

Chuggernaut

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I finally got caught up today.

Who are you currently town reading? I'm getting good vibes from Natiko and Verilos, and I am willing to trust team Pirate Malus after the full explanation.

On the flip side, I am half convinced that Dr. Monkey and Sorian are both scum who have been obsessively bussing each other all game. Something anout Dr. Monkey seems off, like she is trying to get in my good graces by openly town reading me. And Sorian is being erratic and unhelpful. I am actually considering if he really is a secret partner who is trying to grab scum attention. If Sorian happened to get a secret parter role, that is how I imagine him acting.

I’m having pretty weird feeling about both of them at this point, yeah. I feel like there’s probably going to be scum there. I’m not seeing exactly what I wanted to from Stuart which is making me nervous
 

Chuggernaut

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I have no idea either. They're a giant question mark to me.

So I doubt we will, but if one of us gets nabbed by the thief chat, how do you want to handle the mail
 
Hmmm....

If that happens, I am inclined to leave it to the player who is in the gossip chat. That player has access to more information. The player left by themselves can still make suggestions. However, I suggest using a PM to deliver the message, rather than the chat.

Thoughts?
 
I think it would help if the person stuck by themselves still posts in this thread to give suggestions. If what Pirate Bae claimed is true, she could still read her partner chat.
 
BTW, there are still a few things about Pirate Bae's early Day 2 claims that confuse me. I'm not sure I 100% believe she and malus are town. I am willing to bet that Absolutebro and Fat4All are actually town though.
 

Chuggernaut

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Yeah, I feel alright about AbsoluteFat as of now. Bae's been weird, but I'm not willing to kill her today. Malus makes me feel a bit better
 
I really hope CoolestSpot gets a replacement partner soon, just to have someone who can balance him out a little. I feel like that double vote is going to waste on Fat4bro.
 
Well, that was a thing.

I was still catching up with half an hour to go on the clock when I saw the vote wagon on us kick into gear. I kinda started skimming faster at that point, hah.
 
And they were ordinary town after all, damnit. Argh. Well at least that whole mess is done with. Thankfully, Sorian tossed us some potential leads at almost literally the last minute.

Any idea on how to move forward from here?
 

Chuggernaut

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I’m going to have to go back and read it, but I feel like we were pretty town read until someone mentioned that they weren’t sure about us, and then people hard switching. It’s a bit OMGUS, but I don’t really buy some of the votes on us at all.
 
I agree about FantoZipped. Last night I said I would reread Fantomas and Verelios, and the EoD developments certainly gave me new reason to do so.

As for our mail, I think we need to mix up our tactics. I'm not sure sending out a cryptic message like we did last time will have much effect. Sure, half of the players still seem to think that the message was a scheme hatched by Coolest, but a second message in the same vein probably won't provoke an interesting response.

I am not 100% sure, but it might be necessary for us to send a message to someone in order to rebuild trust and share information. If we are really desperate to rebuild trust, we could openly share our identities via the message. If we want to take this approach, we should send it to someone we are confident is town.

I mean, the alternative is that we send false info to someone we think is scum, but I am 98% sure that tactic will get us lynched.

Do you have any ideas?
 

Chuggernaut

HONK HONK MF
I agree. I was thinking the same thing. As far as town goes, the team I’m most confident in being town are Coolest and LP, but we probably shouldn’t send one to them again. What about Fat and AB?
 
Team Absolute Fat is probably our beat pick. My only hesitation is that they might get killed by scum in the night. However, even if they are that doesn't actually set us back much, so it is probably worth the risk.
 

Chuggernaut

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Yeah, I think we're running the risk of them dying, but let's just go for it.

So I've been looking back at Vere, and I'm not feeling great. Fanto kind of pointed this out, but he said he was coming back with a read on Flux after the Fanto one and never did.

Also, that vote on you is just real weird. He makes the connection between Fanto and Sorian, one of those votes is doing very well, while the other one is getting started, and he comes in and drops a vote on you instead? What on earth? I don't think they're both scum, but I do think there's scum somewhere between Fanto and Vere
 

Chuggernaut

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"Our first message to CoolestBeat was a way to try to provoke a reaction. We wanted to see how that team would react. We obviously feel much better about them now. This message to you is not a way to test a reaction though. We're sending this to you specifically because we're confident you're town. How EoD played out was a mess. We've been talking about it and we're pretty sure there's scum between Vere and Fanto. Those are the two teams that we plan on looking at tomorrow. As a show of good faith we'll tell you who we are. We'll leave what to do with that information up to you. We are SkyChuggs."
 
I do think that I could be playing brtter, and that some of the heat I am drawing is deserved. However, some of it is definitely poorly backed up so far, which is definitely suspicious.

I like the message you wrote up, but give me a chance to do some rereading today to see if I can get some better reads to add in.
 

Chuggernaut

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I do think that I could be playing brtter, and that some of the heat I am drawing is deserved. However, some of it is definitely poorly backed up so far, which is definitely suspicious.

I like the message you wrote up, but give me a chance to do some rereading today to see if I can get some better reads to add in.

No worries. Going to go ahead and send it in about 45 because of the night action lock
 

Chuggernaut

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MAIL: Fat4All and Absolutbro Our first message to CoolestBeat was a way to try to provoke a reaction. We wanted to see how that team would react. We obviously feel much better about them now. This message to you is not a way to test a reaction though. We're sending this to you specifically because we're confident you're town. How EoD played out was a mess. We've been talking about it and we're pretty sure there's scum between Vere and Fanto. Those are the two teams that we plan on looking at tomorrow. As a show of good faith we'll tell you who we are. We'll leave what to do with that information up to you. We are SkyChuggs.
 
Oh crud, this is just a 24 hour night phase? Damnit, I was planning on relaxing a bit then working on rereading and analyzing some stuff later! What do I do now?

Time for panic rereads.
 

Chuggernaut

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Oh crud, this is just a 24 hour night phase? Damnit, I was planning on relaxing a bit then working on rereading and analyzing some stuff later! What do I do now?

Time for panic rereads.

Yeah, it would be nice to have a bit more time. Especially with the whole night discussion thing. Let me know what you get from the reread
 
RIP Doctors.

I made through Fantomas' posts up to the start of Day 2. To be honest, Fantomas looks less town than I thought at the time. I still need to get into the meat of Day 2 though.
 

Chuggernaut

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So I actually didn’t think about this when I posted, but we said our top scum reads were Vere and Fanto in the letter and I walked into the thread scum reading Vere and Fanto. I’m actually really surprised people haven’t pieced that together
 
Yeah, we left that breadcrumb that Coolest reposted verbatim too.

Honestly, something about geno's response to all of this strikes me as oddly defensive. I don't know why he would be defensive though.
 
I think we can afford to wait a little while. Remember, Monkey and Stuart have burned up a lot of credibility. I still think there are good odds they are scum. Not that I know who their partners could be yet. However, our earlier breadcrumbs lend our openness some credibility. We haven't exactly been trying to keep this a carefully guarded secret.

If I'm not around, and you think it is a good time to claim, go ahead and do so. I trust your judgement.
 

Chuggernaut

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Alright. Will do.

I feel like I'm going nuts. I'm posting suspect stuff and trying to get a conversation going and all that's happening is this nonsense about the gossips
 
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