Pair Thread Verelios x Apollo Suite

The Bear

Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
This is the chat of Verelios and Apollo! Amazing bear love suite room! <3!

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Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
I would need to have seen the paddington movies to know if that comes up... shame on me
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
I feel fine about Stuart, dear. I can see why people are rubbed the wrong way by his manner of posting this game, but I can’t say that it’s pinging me as scum.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
I see. Then how about Nat? He doesn't seem to be any different from town Nat to me this game, although scum Nat can be mighty sneaky.
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Hmm. I could easily see Nat going either way right now. He’s done a loooot of prodding, but I can’t say I have an entirely solid idea of where he stands. He’s one to keep an eye on, because when he’s scum he’s definitely super good at faking town.
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Reki is new, but I feel good about them. Wish I could say more about their partner Xbro though. Zipped feels like Zipped to me. Coupled with the fact that that Fantomas is doing well enough, I think that’s a pair I’m comfortable with.

Reading through the thread I became suspicious of Chugg, and going back through and ISOing him and SkyOdin only made me feel worse about them. They’ve given me no reason to town read them, hence my vote.
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Not really sure how to feel about Coolest. He kind of softed a role with his whole “so does every pair have a power” thing earlier. Feels really icky to me, I could see a scum Coolest trying that as a gambit
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Man, we're on the same wavelength. I kind of town read Reki and am feeling somewhat (!?) okay on Sorian by how laid back he's being. Chuggs is in a weird gray area. I want to believe it's just because he hasn't revved up yet but you made some good points about him in that ISO.

As for Kalor...he makes me suspicious. There's just something about the way he's interacting that isn't genuine, with how he immediately started defending Sorian to not following up on Kits. Very odd.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Coolest is going for the weird route so that's kind of the point. I'd watch his vote patterns and scum leans to cut through the bullshit.
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Kalor is a bit weird to me. Asking a lot of questions, not entirely satisfactorily answering those directed at him. The most interesting to me that I’ve found while looking at his posts though is actually a point about Geno, lol. He keeps parroting this idea that he only needs to look at one person to determine if somebody is scum. This isn’t a scumtell per se but it’s something to keep in mind IMO as the day goes on because I think it’s really foolish not to look at pairs.
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Not great about either. Kitsune’s team would be a better pick but I really don’t think either of them make much sense to go today. It’s concerning
 

Verelios

Were-elios
ABTY kind of just happened? I don't exactly know, it's a lot of inactivity and fluff allegations, even though they didn't stick out to me.
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
I mean I’d still like Chuggs out. Of the leaders it has to be Kits, because at the very least so much of the discussion D1 centered on her so we’d get that to work with as well as the flip
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Lol at this point it’s pretty clear but we’re not swinging unfortunately. But nobody has really seemed all that interested in my argument against Chuggs except like...Brazil? Monkey immediately shot me down today. Honestly I would have thought it would gain more traction but everybody’s focused on their other arguments today, most of which have felt pretty weak to me
 

The Bear

Obligatory Gay Bear of the Society
Apollo didn't reach the 10 post quota. This is an official warning about it - next time you go below 10, you will end up replaced.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
That's unfortunate. So Kitslor was town all along. Now we need to analyze people who were against, or at least dragged towards it kicking and screaming since they would've known the flip already as scum.

I'm thinking possible suspects are
•Fantomas
•Kyaaaaan
•Flux

What do you think?
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Sorry about not hitting the quota. Won’t let it happen again.

Of those candidates Flux and Fantomas stand out as being worth looking into more deeply to me. Kyan hasn’t really been on my radar much this game either way, so I’m not sure there
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
I think Flux mostly feels like towny Flux, but that EOD post has given me pause. I’ll definitely look into some other people and try to bounce thoughts in here before day start
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Terra? Ummm, I'm drawing a blank. He didn't really stick out much.

What do you think of him? I'll go back and check once I get through others.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
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Ladies, Gentlemen, and bears of the court. Yesterday was a tragedy. I come in front of you with a troubled heart and confusion regarding our direction onward. A few things stuck out to me as off kilter, whether by design or chance, and I believe if it were by design then we might have the machinators within our midst. I present to you my first person of interest, Fantomas.

Now I'm sure we all know the ever lovable 'Far out' Chloe stan Fantomas, but don't judge him on his bad taste in characters or what he wrongly chose in the final episode, judge him on the actions he took yesterday. Let us take a journey through D1 Fantomas.
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He opens with his usual round of questions which don't exactly get the expected response. Fantomas is unperturbed. D1 leisure? Perhaps.
Awwwwww yeah! It's game time!


Ok, let's see.

SkyOdin Xbro Reki - Since I have not played with any of you before, I must ask, have any of you ever played Life is Strange?


Ty4on please also answer this question, as you did not answer when I asked you it in the last game, presumably because you were Scum.

We then have some friendly conversation and tic tac toe amusement. Very Max.
This tic tac toe game is killing me lmao

Moving on, it's finally time to Mafia. He runs out the gate pointing fingers at a one Dr. Monkey, former mentor, friend and confidant turned frenemy after a slew of betrayals. Nothing unusual from his content yet, and it's expected that he would be paying attention to the good Dr given their history. Once he picks up steam, Dr. Stuart can't get back up after a series of post slaps from Fantomas, which appear genuine. There's good posts, follow up questions and rebuttals. In regards to his pursuit of Monkey, I give him a nod because that's dedication.
Monkey seems scummy to me.





This is all weak. Meme vote for Sorian, asks B-Dubs a pointless question that she doesn't care about, turns around on Kits and pretends to scum hunt for bit, then reiterates that she wants B-Dubs to answer her pointless question.


Vote: Dr. Monkey


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To everyone talking about Not Voting today: You all just got caught in Rac's bit, congratulations lol.

So you're role fishing B-Dubs?


This doesn't make me feel any better lol.

I'm sure he'll be playing some Mafia.


Do you actually find anything Sorian has done so far to be scummy? Genuine question.
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So then in the spirit of justice, let us keep a running tally for Fantomas' thoughts.
Monkey--scummy /Stu-- Unsure

Following up on Fran, he says that he's been feeling good about him or at least his posts. Fran--Feels good. He also seems to talk about Sorian a lot which is...odd. Not AI, just odd.
What has pinged you about Fran if you don't mind me asking? I've actually felt kind of good about his posts so far just from what I can recall.


What do you make of Sorian's thought on them both being Scum?
He then writes up a reads list of a few people:
For the first two, there are slight meta feels here and there that made me feel good enough to not throw them in the "to-do" pile with everyone else.


I've felt good about posts coming from both Kyan and Donna so far, mainly meta-based stuff. I've only seen Donna as Town, but her being a bit tentative about her early reads seems about right to me, and Kyan has had some pretty good townish posts in my eyes as well. I'd like to hear more from Donna, but in my experience she isn't the strongest on D1, so I don't really feel the need to pressure her too much yet.


Pirate Bae, honestly I'm just hoping she's Town this time lol. There is a bit of weird WIFOM stuff that only applies to me where I don't think she would try to pick apart my read on Monkey like that if she was Scum, but that's nothing. Malus I could use some more from. This is probably one that should be examined more thoroughly though, I need more from both of them.


As for Frando, Fran is probably one of my top town leans right now, I really like his engagement with the game and he's definitely scum hunting around. Fandorin too, even though he hasn't had as much, but I still like what he has brought so far from what I can remember.
Which is, alright? It kind of does get me confused on how little he's working with to get these impressions which he honestly acknowledges when called out. Afterwards he talks mechanics and meta for a while. It does seem innocuous enough...however I can't help thinking...

He asks questions towards Zbeat and Fluxil but he seems to be focusing more on putting out questions than putting in thoughts ever since that read list.
The pairs that I would want to hear more from today when they get the chance are:


TyBro

BrawaveZ

Rincent

TheSkyChugger

Rexbro

Kyonna


There isn't a whole lot coming to my mind from this crew yet.


I especially want to hear more from BrawaveZ because those two are usually pretty active posters in my experience who can bring a lot of thoughts to the table, and I'm interested in what they are thinking so far.

What's up, BrawaveZ?


I feel like there's some more going on now. Any thoughts on anyone in the pairs of Dr. Stuart, Katsune, S-Dubs, Frando, and/or Natforce? Go ahead and add myself and Zipped in there too if you'd like.

Stu is still an unsure element, so consistent.
Not sure what to make of Stu here. He is being a bit, I don't know if "passive" is the right word which is what everyone in the thread is saying, but I do think he has been giving some short replies and being a bit dismissive at times, which is what people are picking up on I think.


That being said, I do agree that I'd like to see some scum hunting from Stu here.


I am willing to admit that I feel like I don't quite have my footing here since this is the largest roster that I have played in so far, and I haven't been doing a ton of scum hunting yet either, but I plan to start digging in to some things more soon.

He then seems to be coming around with a more in depth reads list, which is pretty good for D1. Hm, he also sets ground for his Natiko suspicion, for when he votes for the Natforce pair later while making a case against them. He made an okay case.
I'd agree there, yeah.


Any thoughts on Natiko and Terraforce? I feel like they're both getting in on things, Terra has put in some decent work and I usually do seem to lean town on him, but I'm not sure where I stand on Nat right now.
I'll start by getting some more thoughts down about the people I had some townish thoughts on here so far:


Frando - I expanded a bit when Stu asked earlier, but just to reiterate, I've really liked Fran's scum hunting and level of engagement, and nothing from Fandorin changes my thoughts on that pair.

Verollo - Vere is also one of my top town leans as well, I like that he's pointing things out and can put words to some things I'm feeling about posts that I don't quite know how to say. I know agreeing with someone doesn't make them Town, but I wouldn't want Vere gone today. Apollo, I like the effort she put into that scum read on Chuggs just now, so nothing from her changes my thoughts on Vere.

Rexbro - Others have pointed to Reki's big post as town read material, but I actually liked the few Xbro posts that were out before that too, I felt like he was asking some good questions and making good points even without being super talkative. I just don't really sense any deception from either of them yet I guess.

BraWaveZ - Neither are posting as much as I would have expected, but I'm still seeing some quality posts from both of them so far.

TheSkyChugger - Chugg isn't quite posting as much as I expect, and SkyOdin isn't around very often, so I would classify this as a spot where I need to go back and reread. Initial thoughts were that Chugg seems normal enough so probably Town again, but I actually expect him to comment on things a bit more than he is, even if it is just D1 noise.

Pirate Malus - Not much from Malus. Pirate Bae seemed fine with giving some early reads at first and I figured she would keep up with that, but now is calling it all jibber jabber. I see she has given some reads now. She would kill me on D1? Really?


Then regarding Monkey and Stu:

I'm liking Monkey's posts more now, Stu's behavior isn't really something I would scum read him for, and I've scum read Stu for a lot of things on D1. I'm thinking more suspect thoughts about people voting for one of these two than I am about them at this point of the day.


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So, the people I had in my "Everyone Else" pile were:

Katsune

Tybro

S-Dubs

Rincent

Funky Dude Geno

CoolestBeat

Natforce

FlatearthStans


Right now, I would sort them like this, but of course things may change as we get closer to EoD.


Not Today:

Tybro - More for AB than for Ty. I liked AB's read list that he put out, and in my experience he is a great Town player to have around even though he isn't the most talkative, wouldn't want him gone on D1.

S-Dubs - Sorian is a tough nut to crack for me. I want to get some more engagement from B-Dubs here since that might be a better way for me to get a read on that pair than trying to figure out what the fuck Sorian's up to.

Rincent - I love Rac, so I wouldn't want to just throw him out a window on D1 lol. Also with Vincent being sick, I expect we'll get a lot more from him once he's feeling better, he usually posts a bit more often than he is.

CoolestBeat - Coolest actually made one of the most coherent posts I've ever seen him make earlier, which shouldn't worry me but it did lol. Z-Beat, as I said earlier, is playing within normal parameters for what I expect from him on D1.


Perhaps Today:

Katsune - Kalor I can never really get a read on, Kits I can see some scumminess there, and a lot of people have talked about her. I wouldn't necessarily be opposed here, but there are others I would vote first.

Funky Dude Geno - Looking back, I actually got the sense that Geno seemed maybe a bit opportunistic when jumping on the Dr. Stuart vote. His read on B-Dubs also seemed a bit played up, I'm not sure if he really buys that read, which seems a bit scummy to me. Sparks is fucking wild.

Natforce - I have suspicions, mainly about Natiko as I've said before. Some of his play here is reminding me of how he was in MafiEra, but it's also one of the only reference points I have for him. I'd have to do a deep dive to really figure my thoughts out there.

Flatearthstans - I expect more from FEPs, and having actually seen a Scum Stan recently, he can pull off his normal routine pretty well, so I wouldn't say there has been anything that makes me think townish thoughts about either of them yet.


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So with that being said, I'll go here for now:

Vote: flatearthpandas

Ok, let's shake things up a bit here.


Vote: Natiko


I've mentioned feeling a bit off about Natiko, so I'm going to try to explain some of that.


His first post this morning, shuts down the Monkey argument, fair, but casts some shade towards Stu at least in the same breath.


Looks at the vote leaders and decides on CoolestBeat. If we look at the votes on them, it was a small meta read from Donna, and a joke vote from Terra that were on them at the time. He calls out Z-Beat for not sharing pertinent thoughts on D1, and called it unusual, which it really isn't in my experience.


Here he sums up Z-Beat's reads for him to make them look bad, which is something I recall Nat doing as Scum in MafiEra.


Then after I commented on Z-Beat, he seems to ease off a bit. This is something I've seen from multiple Scum players in the past, so it pinged my radar.



Now he's responding to Stu at a time when, in my opinion, it felt like Stu was being ganged up on a bit for his attitude. I didn't directly engage, but Natiko did, and it maybe felt to me like he was just stoking those flames on the current vote leader.


Vere commented on this post too I think, but something about it felt off to me even though I did agree with the take in general, I guess it felt like a strange pockety kind of way to throw out a random town read on someone.


Monkey questions why Nat has his vote on CoolestBeat, he explains and then decides to also announce that he will vote for Pirate Bae if she says something he doesn't like. She didn't say something he liked, so he voted for her, then when she came back with reads:



I'll admit I'm not impressed with Bae's reads, since she's scum reading me and she's wrong, but Natiko doesn't know this, or shouldn't know this, but he sure is coming to my defense, though I don't think he had mentioned me much at all prior to this, other than interacting with me a couple of times maybe.


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Overall, that's why I'm feeling off about Natiko here. For Terraforce, before anyone comes knocking, I will say that there have been some instances where I felt like he was making some really easy observations or just jumping in on topics that I just wasn't super impressed with, so there isn't any major feeling there to change how I feel about Natiko.

But then a new day rises, and here comes the turn around. On everything. Except Chloe I guess because whatever.
Good morning everyone!


Unvote


Don't think I'll be keeping my vote on Natiko here, felt better after talking to him last night and not many others seem interested in that sick read.


That being said, I'm also not interested in voting out either Dr. Stuart or Pirate Malus today, so not really into these vote leaders.


I'll gather my thoughts a bit more with some coffee and get a new vote down.
Great?
So~ Monkey/Stuart= Alright
Natforce= Also alright

So who looks good to Fantomas?
So, looking through the list of teams, I think my vote is fine with settling on any of the following:


Tybro - This would be based almost solely on Ty4on, as I don't really have any bad thoughts about AB but he hasn't given us a whole lot either. For Ty, similar thoughts to his behavior in HoH, not a whole lot of talk about his reads, kind of entered into a Shadow Lurker status again now.

S-Dubs - I actually have worse feelings about Sorian in this game than I have in any other game I've played with him, which troubles me because I haven't seen him as Scum before. Normally I do feel I would be able to point to things about his play that I've liked on D1 and that seem townish to me, but not so much this time. As for Dubs, there's just not a whole lot to go on, so my feelings on Sorian aren't changed by anything Dubs has said or done.

Funky Dude Geno - I explained a bit earlier on my thoughts on Geno, and I understand if that is normal parameters for what people expect from him, but the way he went in on the Dr. Stuart vote still looks a bit opportunistic to me, and I don't fully buy it.

CoolestBeat - Coolest hasn't been much of a presence in the back half of the day and hasn't been of much help. Z-Beat seems a bit lost at times, and I can't quite tell if it's real or an act, but it gives me bad vibes.

FlatearthStans - Somewhat based on activity levels, but also not really getting too much from them when they are around, along with paranoia about how they could play as Scum.


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I'm surprised at how little about you has stuck out to me so far tbh, why am I having trouble thinking of you as Town?
Comprehensive.
I mean, I'm here and I'm fine with where things are going?


I voted for Ty because I thought he was Scum, now others are voting here too. I'm fine if Kits/Kalor goes too I guess. I don't know, I don't have much to say.


What is this sudden attack on my coolness!?
But why though?

And it would be great...if he didn't flip flop at day end because of Uncle Sorian shouting to jump in the deep end with him.

Vote: Kitsunelaine


Here, fine, let's have some COOL FUN and move some votes with 10 minutes to go.
So a habitual backstepper was born. Every decision made these past few days slowly came undone once day end began to roll around. Was it coincidence that Sorian was the impetus? Did it matter to Fantomas who was kicked off the island since he voted with a cavalier attitude? Did he, perhaps, already know Kitslor's alignment and therefore wanted to show a noncomittal attitude to seem townie? By saying he had no interest in the lynch, he can make the case that he wouldn't have been directing a town lynch. All good questions. But first, let us ask this.

Who is the person covertly present throughout Fantos' day and therefore interactions?
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Is it Monkey? No. Even though he flip flopped on her, he was always blatantly involved with her.

Is it Stuart? No. Being continuously unsure means that you're continuously drawing attention to them.

Is it Natiko? No. An odd turn of events, but easily analyzable and therefore high profile.

Is it Chuggs? No, they have had surprisingly little interaction.

Is it Sorian? Why yes, yes it is.
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Look back to the beginning of Fantomas' day of Mafia, and see what he's concerned about. He's concerned about how Monkey is attacking Sorian, concerned about how Stu is framing Sorian's breadcrumb comment, and concerned about those who began doubting Sorian. At the end of the day it's no one but Sorian who convinces Fanto to switch over to Kits based on an abject 'Be cool' comment. I can safely say, being a Butz who just says yes is never cool.
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So what's going on here? Is it something more than just coincidence, something clandestine, scummy and sinister?

The verdict is out. There is a relation!
We'll see just what kind as the day goes on.

Next on the list is person of interest #2 Flux, formerly called FluxWaveZ.
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Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
This whole Zipped lip thing is sus as hell from my perspective?? This day has been massive and s train forms around *that*?? Idk lol
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Yeah, pretty odd. I still don't trust Fanto but that wasn't a slip, and if Sorian flips town I'd be taking a real long look into Monkey.

How did you feel about VA's last reply to Sorian? It felt disingenuous to me and very fake at that moment in time.
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Also sad to see townies die but happy to see We Bare Bears. Silver lining.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Haha, that's true it's a great show. Such an odd showing from Soridubs, though their laidback attitude makes sense now.

It's great that we don't have to worry about being seen as townie so we can just get to working on finding scum, haha. Who are you looking at now?
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Haha, that's true it's a great show. Such an odd showing from Soridubs, though their laidback attitude makes sense now.

It's great that we don't have to worry about being seen as townie so we can just get to working on finding scum, haha. Who are you looking at now?

I’m immediately interested in Kyan/Donna, Brazil/Flux, VA/rac. Also going to look deeper on Chuggernaut/SkyOdin again, as at this point I probably need to re-case them since there doesn’t seem to be that much interest in them? I want to have a better idea if I’m just on the wrong track with them or if it’s more deliberate that they’re not getting traction
 

Verelios

Were-elios
I’m immediately interested in Kyan/Donna, Brazil/Flux, VA/rac. Also going to look deeper on Chuggernaut/SkyOdin again, as at this point I probably need to re-case them since there doesn’t seem to be that much interest in them? I want to have a better idea if I’m just on the wrong track with them or if it’s more deliberate that they’re not getting traction
I do feel like there could've been a case made for Skychugger today, it just got started way too late. I'm definitely interested in your Kyan/Donna read since they've been a blindspot for me, and all I remember of Donna is her short read list yesterday.
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Okay, still need to look at Kyan, but after ISOing Donna, she is... pretty weird. Which is to say, she's almost universally town leaned everybody in the game? And on the very rare occasion she does scum read somebody, it always comes with some sort of qualifier to lessen how strongly she feels about that read. It's early days so if she's town I think I kind of get it, but it's worth keeping in mind. I 'd really like to see some scum hunting from her today.
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Kyan feels fine to me, I'd say. A lot more engagement than I'd expected since honestly, Kyan has not left much of an impression on me this game.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Okay, still need to look at Kyan, but after ISOing Donna, she is... pretty weird. Which is to say, she's almost universally town leaned everybody in the game? And on the very rare occasion she does scum read somebody, it always comes with some sort of qualifier to lessen how strongly she feels about that read. It's early days so if she's town I think I kind of get it, but it's worth keeping in mind. I 'd really like to see some scum hunting from her today.
Woah, that's something to keep in mind. So she hasn't had any hard reads all game? If D3 doesn't change something then I'm going to have to look here later.
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Woah, that's something to keep in mind. So she hasn't had any hard reads all game? If D3 doesn't change something then I'm going to have to look here later.

Yeah. She harps on Coolest every now and then, but it essentially never goes beyond meta- and she even uses that same meta to backtrack on the read at some point, iirc. She kind of scum read Sorian/Dubs but seemed generally wary to fully commit to that. And we know how that flip turned out
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
On her reads list she mentioned a few pairs she had as neutralish. But she even walks back on some of those later on iirc back towards town leans, even if only for parts of the pairs. It’s interesting
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Yeah. She harps on Coolest every now and then, but it essentially never goes beyond meta- and she even uses that same meta to backtrack on the read at some point, iirc. She kind of scum read Sorian/Dubs but seemed generally wary to fully commit to that. And we know how that flip turned out
Then I might start out by poking her today? Or should I do a two pronged approach and start poking Kyan and Donna?
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
I felt pretty good when I went over Kyan’s posts, so I imagine he won’t need much in the way of poking. It would definitely be worth trying to get more solid reads out of Donna though, even if she’s town. this is gonna he something people will pick up on as the game goes on I believe
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Boy it’s gonna feel good whenever we end up revealing ourselves and adding a confirmed to the game
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Thoughts on number of PRs? We have a lot of claims out right now, along with the dead doctors/vig...
 

Verelios

Were-elios
I think someone's scum in the batch. I'd be surprised if they weren't, and I'm leaning Skychuggs as of now. Kyan...I kind of believe, yeah.
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
The more I think about it the more I believe Baelus is what they claim to be. Our role lets us green check ourselves at will, so that’s already extra check power for town, leading me to think 1-shot makes a great deal of sense. Whether messenger/gossip are town/scum or town/town, I also think it would support the existence of a 1-shot cop. If they’re both town then it gives townies extra powerful communication abilities on top of Baelus and our green check abilties and our already existing night chats. Especially when you consider that gossip chat can’t hide their names, so you can at the very least definitively confirm that pair’s ability. We also had a vigilante, which for better or worse would have given town another means to a check.
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Between messenger and gossip I think messenger is more likely to be scum. As that comes with anonymity whilst the gossip can’t actually confirm their alignment, but people can clearly pinpoint the pair and then town has to debate alignment
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Then like I said earlier there’s also the existence of the double vote and doctors on top of these roles. That’s a lot of powers for town. So I’m honestly just feeling stronger and stronger about SkyChugg being scum, but it’s hard to articulate why since our power isn’t public and we probably want to save it for when scum wants to push for us
 

Verelios

Were-elios
That's true, I'm also reading Skychuggs as scum. What do you think about Monkey's push on us and Bae then from that perspective?
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
That's true, I'm also reading Skychuggs as scum. What do you think about Monkey's push on us and Bae then from that perspective?

I’ve generally town read monkey as time has gone on, and I’ve felt pretty good about Stu throughout the game as well. Mostly because Stu’s attitude people loved to harp on early on just seemed way too aggressive and flippant for scum, and he never really attempted to change that behavior. Monkey went super hard in her arguments with Sorian and tbh while I thought bout sides of that argument are kind of dumb, they also didn’t ping me as something scum would do. Could I be eating out of the palm of their hands? Definitely.

Their push on Bae makes sense insofar as they’re on their last legs after the previous days, and while I disagree with the conclusion, some of the individual parts of their argument have merit (chief among them, Bae should have lied about being 1-shot).

I am a little concerned about the fact that monkey does appear to be pushing towards us a bit. That, and she’s felt a little cozy to Sky/Chuggs this game. This was apparent as early as D1 EoD, when I asked people to join me on the Chugg vote. She actually directly responded to me saying basically lolno. And then as we know, Chugg has been pushing rather hard on us, and now she’s starting to do the same.Considering a lot of why I’ve town read monkey/stu has been based on feels... well, I could actually very easily see them being scummates with SkyChugg.
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Chugg has done a bit of scum reading on monkey/stu today too, but since they’re basically gonna get lunched for sure soon, if not today, it’s a super safe bus attempt. And chugg is not going after that pair with the vigor the other pairs he has for his other scum reads
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
I would strongly bet on one of the quieter pairs. I’d need to ISO them to be sure of my guess, but off of the top of my head Geno/Sparks, Stan/FEP and rac/VA all come to mind.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Yeah, there's likely scum there but they're not getting much attention so...

And people keep saying they've been town reading Geno, why is that?
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Yeah, there's likely scum there but they're not getting much attention so...

And people keep saying they've been town reading Geno, why is that?

I kind of had a town read on Geno I hadn’t really thought of much. At least for me, big reason is his play has been intensely stubborn in a way that’s...
extremely Geno. Terraforce noted that that’s pretty classic Geno as well, and they have a long history with each other. It’s not very strong reasoning is what I’m thinking lately
 

Verelios

Were-elios
I see, Geno has been pretty null for me. There hasn't been anything to sway me onr side at least.

So, regarding Terra, what do you like about him?
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
I’ll get back to you with more detailed thoughts on terra but the long and short it is he's seemed really engaged throughout the game, and said engagement feels really genuine to me
 

Verelios

Were-elios
If there are two scum pairs remaining, I'd say there's an overwhelmingly high chance that it's one of:
Dr.Stu
SkyChuggs
Fantipped
Rexbro

The good point is we're unlikely to be NKed tonight
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Yeah we shouldn’t get killed unless we got role copped. Dr. Stu bussing isn't an impossibility (Imo their lunch was basically guaranteed to happen so like... I could see them trying). But I think they couldn’t likely have planned for what ended up happening with baelus’ lie getting caught?
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
That being said I do expect us to be a lunch candidate tomorrow though. We’re being more and more commonly scum read, and prior to the maintenance I cane out semi-hard in favor of Baelus’ claim
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Yeah we shouldn’t get killed unless we got role copped. Dr. Stu bussing isn't an impossibility (Imo their lunch was basically guaranteed to happen so like... I could see them trying). But I think they couldn’t likely have planned for what ended up happening with baelus’ lie getting caught?
Like, I think that would be the point of Dr.Stu coming out the gate hard at Baelus D3. They likely already role copped 2 people and were basically goons, so bus them for town cred to get heat off themselves. They likely didn't think the Geno thing would happen, and that makes me believe Geno and Kyan are town.
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Without Geno’s story contradicting Baelus though and that actually getting pointed out by somebody, does Baelus actually get lunched? I’m pretty sure without that there’s little chance the Dr. Stu vote doesn’t happen.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Well yeah, but, stay with me on this. Monkey opens up the day in a raw situation after engineering Soridubs lynch. Baelus has just got off their last RC (I think that's likely) check, and are effectively a goon. Now, Monkey begins bussing with the hope that she can turn public opinion around, distance herself from Baelus, or make it a thunderdome situation where town believes that whoever is on the othet side couldn't possibly be scum. That's where I'm at now.
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
Well based on how things look we’re probably gonna have to do it today. We could try to push things a little more though before deploying it
 

Verelios

Were-elios
That's about what I'm thinking. But preferrably, before the halfway point in the day so we can look elsewhere comfortably. Is that cool?
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
It sounds very cool. I haven’t had a chance to check much if what’s happened today other than us getting a ton of votes, but I’ll properly check things out shortly.
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
I know I’m not the best as articulating my thoughts but this is all a bit demoralizing lol
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
do you mind we do because I just cannot with terraforce right now holy fucking shit
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
like jeeeeesus christ one of the core tenents of our community is not to question people’s schedules and he's sitting here painting me out to be a lore of shit for promising to get back to him in half an hour
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Nah, no problem. You said you'd get back with reads later so it's fucked to keep on about it. Should I do it or do you want the honors?
 

Apollo

Apollo will wreck your goddamn face
monkey asking us if we have a BP is kind of sus. why would she want that public
 
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