The Surveillance Room
- Thread starter Franconp
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Fanto
Confirmed Town
Ok, all caught up in here now.
I don't have any Scum reads other than Tearable. Pretty much anyone left in the game could be Scum as far as I'm concerned.
I don't have any Scum reads other than Tearable. Pretty much anyone left in the game could be Scum as far as I'm concerned.
She would never say such a thing!
But oh boy is she ever salty about this game, I don't think she'll be playing with us anymore...
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Fanto
Confirmed Town
There is once again no Bomber in this game and all the messages alluding to one from Fran are lies. Fran just added Bomb Defusers to the game while continuing the same joke from Conspiracy 1 in order to keep people thinking there is a Bomber because he thought that shit was hilarious.
You can all praise me for this take later when the game ends, thank you.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
So you did....
...well you actually blew it by "overriding" onto the vote leader. There was much rejoicing in scum chat.
Only because I told fatdog who to kill.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Haha holy shit at that Turmoil claim.
I was thinking of claiming “DJ” tbh
I was thinking of claiming “DJ” tbh
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Also I said something that I think Wee picked up on that’s probably going to get Turmoil killed
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Yes, that claim is a lie. No I was not scum. There’s just very little reason to not kill me if I claimed my actual role. The post you quoted is what I thought Wee saw
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
And now I get the breadcrumbing.
Alexa, play 'We Are Detective' by the Thompson Twins.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Oh my god they’re actually buying it
Vincent Alexander
My best friend is a monkey
Why can I not find a gif of Alice in Wonderland with them all changing places?!
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I'd like to also remind everyone that one of the fake claims that Fran gave to us in Scum Chat in Conspiracy 1 was a Medium. No one used it, so naturally Fran made it a real Town role in the sequel lol.
I feel like outside of a few early things, no one has looked at Zeke at all and I really think his early posts were shit-garbage sheepery that got ignored but now we are fully in the town-will-eat itself mode so Ket and Zeke some others who seem town will get ignored when they should be going through everyone, regardless of claims.
Claims are important. They need claims. But claims are one piece.
Also I really can't get a fix on feps this game. He's playing between his meta standards and that's really strange. But having so many days end mega early did not help.
Claims are important. They need claims. But claims are one piece.
Also I really can't get a fix on feps this game. He's playing between his meta standards and that's really strange. But having so many days end mega early did not help.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Zeke's claim could easily be a Scum role tbh, giving at least one Scum member a chance to enter all the auctions makes sense to me, it's certainly NAI at least. That's something I'd be bringing up with more claims out now.
I really don't think FEPs is Town, at best he's my most Null of Null reads because there is literally nothing for me to Town read him for in this game, and I've disagreed with most of his stances.
I really don't think FEPs is Town, at best he's my most Null of Null reads because there is literally nothing for me to Town read him for in this game, and I've disagreed with most of his stances.
Disagreeing with feps when he's town is actually pretty normal. Agreeable feps who just does his own thing and also votes a lot of scum and has little presence is likely to be scum feps.
But the problem here is that his votes have just been very independent and doing little due to both timing and due to stubbornness and it's hard to get a read off that. He's not as rowdy and engaged as town feps can be but he's also said he's trying to be more lowkey, which is good, but makes him harder to read.
I think for players who are in really different timezones, separate from both the Euro and the North/South American players, disagreement is pretty common. They often have different perspectives on the thread - they're reading many discussions after they happened and instigating others they don't get to participate in. And many of our players in that position (Stan, feps, etc) are already pretty independent thinkers. So I don't really weigh disagreement as anything but NAI. It's what they do around it that matters more.
Franconp
Frank
It was approved in July. The design Is much older.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
At this point, I think anyone who was being written off early on for votes or interactions with flipped Scum should be back in the conversation.
So Aeleus/Kalor/Mao are all possible Scum in my eyes right now.
Literally everyone in the game except Wee is possible Scum to me, that's how trash my reads are in this game. I guess Turmoil too since Chugg says in here that he's Town.
I guess Stan and Zeke are probably my top Scum reads now? Tearable doesn't seem that scummy today.
They should probably just call for the mass claim already, get everything on the table, including the fake claims.
So Aeleus/Kalor/Mao are all possible Scum in my eyes right now.
Literally everyone in the game except Wee is possible Scum to me, that's how trash my reads are in this game. I guess Turmoil too since Chugg says in here that he's Town.
I guess Stan and Zeke are probably my top Scum reads now? Tearable doesn't seem that scummy today.
They should probably just call for the mass claim already, get everything on the table, including the fake claims.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
When Turmoil flips I want everyone to know that I had no idea how to play that god damn role. Like initially I was straight playing kind of scummy on purpose because of it, but then I went a bit too far, had some bad reads, and then I just ended up getting annoyed by all the scum reads lol
Were you our secret partner?
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
No lol
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Sorry for the shit situation Turms. If it helps I think you’re doing good
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
And yup. That’s the role. It’s one of the reasons I was okay with dying early on, but I decided to push back because I didn’t think the info would be great if I didn’t have some kind of fight.
I wasn’t sure how to play it because on one hand, double kill is good for town, but town doesn’t get it if I die by night which is why I was trying to come across as slightly scummy
I wasn’t sure how to play it because on one hand, double kill is good for town, but town doesn’t get it if I die by night which is why I was trying to come across as slightly scummy
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Is that what we’re calling that now? Lol
What’s worse is there is literally 0 reason for an argument here about it.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
for the love of god don’t shoot Turms
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I seriously have no clue who the remaining Scum are lol.
Is it Verelios? Why was I ever even Town leaning on him? I can't remember anymore.
No seriously though:
Nin - Town Lean
Mao - Town Lean
Aeleus - Town Lean
Ynnek - Town Lean...?
Vere - ????????????
Wee - Town
Zeke - ...Scum?
Malus - ?????????????
FEPs - ??????????????
Ket - Town Lean
Turm - Town
Kalor - Town Lean
Stan - ...Scum?
Kyan - Town Lean...?
Tearable - ?????????????
These are my trash reads right now lol.
Is it Verelios? Why was I ever even Town leaning on him? I can't remember anymore.
No seriously though:
Nin - Town Lean
Mao - Town Lean
Aeleus - Town Lean
Ynnek - Town Lean...?
Vere - ????????????
Wee - Town
Zeke - ...Scum?
Malus - ?????????????
FEPs - ??????????????
Ket - Town Lean
Turm - Town
Kalor - Town Lean
Stan - ...Scum?
Kyan - Town Lean...?
Tearable - ?????????????
These are my trash reads right now lol.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Yeah, I was kind of thinking Vere too tbh.
I'm also trying to think of who would be arguing and scum chat and that feels like Zeke lol
I'm also trying to think of who would be arguing and scum chat and that feels like Zeke lol
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Over/under on fanto killing himself if he had the gun?
*truffleshuffle*
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Also, yeah. Don't kill Mao. What are you doing
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Yes please do this
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I wonder if it's Zeke and Kets. They seem like they would bicker
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
I'm convinced the bomb shit is fake
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Describing the scum chat as bickering feels innaccurate. It’s people posting with completely different ideas and rarely actually bothering to address posts or coalesce on one plan. It’s like seeing the inner monologue of the last scum standing except it’s not the last scum standing at all lol
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
This also feels like Zeke lol
Fanto
Confirmed Town
The plan is somehow both "there is no plan" and "let's not read our role PMs again" all mixed into one.
Mao's sheer weariness is the towniest thing right now and the only reason they aren't seeing it is because they aren't re-evaluating. They think they know, so they think they found a gotcha, and they won't look past it.
eta: and if Zeke is scum, of course, he's just shepherding it along.
eta: and if Zeke is scum, of course, he's just shepherding it along.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Yeppp. I stand by my assessment from like three phases ago as the move that should have been made.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Mao putting in work here. Hope the flip goes his way if he gets it
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Shooting Turms would be the dumbest thing in the world and is peak paranoid town. You think he’s a bomb? Have one of the other scummy players jump on it last. They’re screwing themselves out of a double kill and it’s just going to lead to them killing a townie today and then they’re right back where they were
Alexem
Yeah, I'm town
Surely the longer the game goes on, the riskier the prospect of a double-lunch becomes? If they're going to use it, better to go for it on a day starting with 13 or so in play than leaving it for later and running the risk of an early Ly/MyLo if they don't start hitting scum soon.
That's assuming enough people accept the claim, of course.
That's assuming enough people accept the claim, of course.
I've always been in favor of skipping double lynches, as town, I'd probably say to shoot him too even while believing him. It removes and unknown and you don't lose much since it's not the lynch.
congrats, you have made the argument that turmoil is town without a scum chat to read back through
I second this
malus
#1 official chartmaker
Yes, it would have been useful info for scum! "Oh his check is only for night kill, let's just lunch him without repercussions!"
Thank You!
I guess I could have come clean after turmoil admitted to being scum, but I just know the answer would have been that I'm just trying to avoid getting day killed and they would have forgotten about turmoil.
This was so frustrating, but at least we hopefully get scum in the process.
pretty sure turmoil is not scum, my dude
malus
#1 official chartmaker
How can he not be scum? Why would he lie about his role and just give up if a check is threatened? What?! Is everything a lie?
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Chugg confirmed to us in here that Turm is telling the truth about the double lunch power. He wants to be mislunched because that's the only way his role ends up being a boon for Town. It won't activate if he gets shot during the day or night.
Unless of course Chugg is playing the Scum long-con in Spec Chat and is lying to us in here, which would be amazing, but he's probably telling us the truth about it.
Town lies about roles all the time. You yourself withheld some information. Also note: he wants to be killed, but specifically killed via vote. Scum doesn't want to die here, not even a votebomb, because the town numbers are being pared down and they are getting close to victory. turmoil tried to create a situation in which he would be voted out; he only started to fight when he was going to be shot.
Add to that Zeke, likely scum, pushing this along and glossing over major holes in his own narrative and yeah, you've got a town on the block.
Chuggernaut
HONK HONK MF
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Wee is definitely a Medium, her questions have been being asked in here throughout the game. I doubt that's a Scum role.
Mao definitely gave Wee a gun at the least, and I still think he wasn't partners with Sorian.
The suspect list, for me, is:
Ynnek
Zeke
Ket
Stan
But I am bad at this game so I assume they are all Town too.
Which leaves the real suspect list as everyone else:
Nin
Aeleus
Vere
FEPs
Kalor
Kyan
Tearable
Maol is town. He was right to point out that gunsmith is a town role and bastard or not I highly doubt Fran would make that shift here. (In b4 someone does it for a future game now). Add that to the events of the game and yeah, he's town.
wee is very likely town as medium. We can't have spoilers because of it either. Grumble.
Zeke is scum for sure. Mark it. Vere is town. The rest I'm less sure on.