Ty4on
The 4 is silent
It's a pretty big hole. It only works if they get a scum lynch and know there is only one left.
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Ty4on
The 4 is silent
I see you're reading the thread @Blargonaut :p
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
This doesn't make sense. With 2 scum alive her roleblock isn't a confirmation. In fact it is good if she targets the non-shooting mafia. If she targets the shooting mafia then she doesn't die.
Nicole is almost certainly town at this point imo, Melon is confirmed town. Mafia need to kill these players.
Ty4on
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Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
They have an even number of players. But skipping a kill right now doesn't help since Mafia just shoot Melon tonight and GoG is picking from the same pool of players tomorrow.
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
I meant scum could skip a kill if they think GoG will target town, leading to a mislynch tomorrow.
It's obviously risky, and like I said I don't know if it affects lylo so probably not even worth it.
I mean, yeah, kinda. This was a huge mess and there was a lot to juggle. Much easier to comment on it from the outside (as with almost anything). But I appreciate the apology.
re: the game: honestly I have no idea what happens now.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
She has to hit the exact scum. If there are 2 alive and they don't shoot she has twice the chance of the roleblock apparently working. If she doesn't roleblock a scum player then it is still nothing since it can be argued she blocked the wrong scum so it is not a confirmation.
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What Town really need to do is hit scum today. Not Lynching isn't good because then you lose Melon's vote. If they get it down to 1 mafia then scum almost has to hit GoG tonight before she can confirm a town player. Even if the last scum can frame a townie by not shooting, they are giving town an extra lynch so it doesn't help.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Ok that was a bad move from Brazil.
Now they should lynch between Brazil and Nicole and guarantee 1 kill in the next 2 days.
Now GoG doesn't have to use her block tonight and can wait until only one confirmed scum left. She can also announce her pick and it will also act as a green check.
And Brazil is the obvious lynch here. His Blarg reads are the smoking gun imo.
Nicole and GoG are obviously not scum together so kill Brazil. If he is scum GoG blocks her target providing a green check. If GoG hits then it is game.
If she misses Melon, Nicole and Gotham check are green for the next day.
5-1 with 3 confirmed towns is a super strong position and almost a guaranteed win.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
The only advantage is if Nicole is lynched first and it isn't really a big one.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Brazil is used up scum 2 shot strongman. Nicole is (presumably unnamed) vanilla town.
You have a fun story now. Years from now some other fresh mod will be going through a fresh hell and you'll be able reminisce and how you had to go through terrible bullshit due to your baddie players.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Ok now this is kind of dumb for Nicole to renege on her name claim.
It looks shaky as hell that she is basing her claim on a neutral who could have been signalling to scum that he was a neutral hider and not to target his targets.
Now if they flip Nicole and when she isn't Kendra it just gives Brazil more credibility.
It looks shaky as hell that she is basing her claim on a neutral who could have been signalling to scum that he was a neutral hider and not to target his targets.
Now if they flip Nicole and when she isn't Kendra it just gives Brazil more credibility.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
From her PoV I'd argue it isn't. Brazil could be town and then she's setting up a dual mislynch with her lie.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
But if she wasn't going to follow through what the hell was the point of the gambit.
The way i see it, she claimed, Brazil countered, she folded. Now she is putting her town cred on a neutral. That is not good.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Yeah knowing that she is lying means it is actually a good move by Brazil. Maybe I am just dumb for expecting town not to lie when they only have 3 lynches to kill 2 mafia.
Someone is going to bring up day 3 vote and propose both Nicole and Ty bussed Sorian. She voted for him but at the same time said he was town in case she could move her vote to save him. Ty only voted when it was a done deal.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
I kinda think she will survive, but Brazil isn't under as much pressure
Her gambit started way back though and she probably didn't feel safe being honest about being a vanilla until her move was forced.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Ok but that only works if her actual move is to wait until everyone claims, revoke her PR claim and sort-of confirm GoG just from number of PRs and game balance. Which is going to look even worse because she has been trying to get Gotham lynched for days.
Ty4on
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Overwatch
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/over...on-the-payload.1291838/page-26#post-220189009
Role madness, everybody had a role and role name with the game being the exact same size as Overwatch's roster. Ouro really wanted Vere (scum) lynched so he fake claimed cop and widowmaker. Ezekel (also scum) then counterclaimed because he was in fact widowmaker. Vere was lynched and the vig shot Ezekel the next night. gg
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
I don't think she really planned on revoking her claim unless something went south.
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
I really think we need that breadcrumbing 101.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Hmmm. That is some dubious play by Ouro, that it worked is great but that was on Day 2 of a huge game so not a game-ender if he misses.
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
W I S D O M
P O E T R Y
gross
PLAYERS GOT TO HAVE PRINCIPLES
A paltry thing like already being dead shouldn't get in the way of dying by modkill, I say
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
I'd also like to say that pressing myself to justify my own modkilling, was totally intentional on my part as by successfully justifying myself being modkilled, would simultaneously justify the modkilling of all others tainted by my text drop
This is the super evil Machiavellian narrative that I will run with to make myself feel better about blindsiding myself with a huge mistake, yes
This is the super evil Machiavellian narrative that I will run with to make myself feel better about blindsiding myself with a huge mistake, yes
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
I'll call this move The Crab Mentality
Sawneeks
little green dog
Not only did we know she wasn't a PR, the name she used was on our list of free claims as well.
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
Nicole's questionable claim aside...
"3 - L_P was against the wall and decided to throw a hail mary: he breadcrumbed his N3 target while pretending to be talking about his N2 one. He chose someone he had a strong town-read on and went for it."
This makes no sense, he made someone more likely to be NK'd and then hid behind them anyway?
It's the problem with every attack on Nicole, you have to invent some tortured reasoning as to why the neutral would stick his neck out to clear her.
So she's kinda right in that she should be able to do/claim what she wants, but only kinda because this line of attack has been around for a while now with support.
"3 - L_P was against the wall and decided to throw a hail mary: he breadcrumbed his N3 target while pretending to be talking about his N2 one. He chose someone he had a strong town-read on and went for it."
This makes no sense, he made someone more likely to be NK'd and then hid behind them anyway?
It's the problem with every attack on Nicole, you have to invent some tortured reasoning as to why the neutral would stick his neck out to clear her.
So she's kinda right in that she should be able to do/claim what she wants, but only kinda because this line of attack has been around for a while now with support.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Because if she was Mafia then Mafia would know L_P was not town aligned and that he could be a useful asset for Mafia later in the game.
What is the negative utility to L_P fake calling a scum aligned target?
Yo, man, you're all right. Shit happens. We get carried away because mafia. The thrill in the kill and all.
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
That's fine, the bit that doesn't make sense is hiding behind her right after clearing her.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
:(
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Is that piece of info confirmed anywhere? I thought the only confirmed thing was L_P hid behind Sawneeks or Mafia the night he died. And while L_P didn't actually have a reason to lie, he didn't have any reason to tell the truth.
Ty4on
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His main goal is to stay alive and if Nicole ever flips scum he's probably getting lynched.
The chance of Nicole being scum imo is really really low. Lying alone doesn't make a ton of sense for L_P and especially not with the way he did that. He was clearly trying to gain townie cred with his claim and forced to name Nicole. If someone else had been on the chopping board it would've been much easier naming them (or not), but he had to save his target in this case.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Ok I think the correct play for Brazil right now is to start saying their must be scum between Nicole and GoG and they should kill Nicole first because GoG can use a night action to confirm herself.
At that point Nicole either has to totally flip on GoG and start calling her town which will lose her even more credibility.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Apart from Include (Cordelia) and Rac (Larry)
Ty4on
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There is an "avoid posting links" clause, but this to me seems quite clear that you shouldn't post stuff about neogaf and its drama.
Using ban status to prove something is, messy lol, but I don't see any reason there should be limits on old games and stuff. Our community was always quite isolated from the events until we moved with zero moderator interactions.
I know amirox played in one game lol
That's it though and at the time it was a non event
That's it though and at the time it was a non event
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
Brazil, you hero you
Absolutely flipped the tell script on SweetNicole there
And that analytical megapost skirmish they had, that's barebones [Mafia] right there, real, clean, heart of the cards brawling
A+
Absolutely flipped the tell script on SweetNicole there
And that analytical megapost skirmish they had, that's barebones [Mafia] right there, real, clean, heart of the cards brawling
A+
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
I'm not talking about what happened, I'm talking about Brazil's theory. His push for Nicole's lynch relies on LP hiding behind her, but it doesn't make sense for LP to do that.
Now, let me go read the thread where I'm sure multiple townies have come to this same conclusion and voted for Brazil dot dot dot
Is it the named ordinaries that's the issue or what they did with them, though? Like if Nicole had not pushed this claim for days and then backed off immediately from the thunderdome, that might have worked out in town's favor.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
only one away from majority 
I think the issue is that scum have a bit more leverage with the ability to fake claim a named townie while some/most ordinary townies don't have any names. If Nicole had been a named townie she could've used that name and wouldn't have risked being counterclaimed.
cabot
Why.
I dunno I just feel like because they have happened, town can't make a judgement on whether theres x amount of names/no names.
So now we have scum claiming named ordinaries which looks better as a claim on paper than ordinary.
I don't think they've added anything but more noise to sift through for town and a better endgame claim for scum.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
tunnel is a powerful emotion
rac
whatever
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
And very easy for scum, named town, unnamed town and power roles to slip.
