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  1. Pedro

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    Welcome to the spectator chat!
     
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    Good luck everyone and please murder each other in an entertaining way!

    I need drama, fire and blood for the mafiera is dark and full of deception.
     
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    Does this Mini Mafia Battle Royale come with Lootboxes?
     
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    You gotta buy the DLC to unlock the chance for buy the random generated lootbox with 0.00001% chance of amazing balls Legendary item.
     
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    Brazil those babies are horrifying.

    A+ for that Town Circle tho
     
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    I didn't even notice it started! Thanks for posting haha
     
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    Some even say that splinter is still there to this day :o
     
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    Gut says: Lux may be lynched today. Those posts scream nervous.
     
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    Turmoil doesn't feel like the usual town turmoil. Usually he has a more logical train of thought and posts.

    I feel like something is amiss with him.
     
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    it begins
     
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    I would say he feels kinda insecure like a new player or someone who hasn't played for a while. He was seeking approval and kinda trying to fit in, not sure scums would be that obvious.

    If I was playing I would have gone for turmoil.
     
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    interestingly enough the Scum Team seems to be going for a bus here and I'm not really sure why? It has potential to be a good payout if it even works.
     
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    Why turmoil? He's been fairly non-offensive so far.
     
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    Time to relax
     
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    And that exactly it! Usually he is way more critical and present his arguments in logical fashion without fear of repercussion. He is playing it safe IMO right now.

    From your spoiler I suppose you already know the scum team? If so mind sharing?
     
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    Scum team:

    rac
    fep
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    Thank you! I like knowing the scums' team so I can learn from the way they play in case I ever play scum :)
     
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    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    A lot of people very confident in their town reads to move the votes.

    I'm sure there will be relief and celebration in mafia chat.
     
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    Hi

    I have no idea who is scum

    Probably brazil
     
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    That would be the best Shyamalan's twist in history of mafia.
     
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    Jeez what luck

    I wonder if the double kill was sorian or a sk (don't tell outside of spoilers)
     
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    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    Do you think Sorian would use a 1-shot vigi kill on Lone Prodigy on night 1?
     
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    Dunno.

    Probably not now that I think

    I have hardly played with him

    Most likely not, 1 shot vig is good enough of a claim for surviving D2
     
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    #24 Faddy, Apr 25, 2018
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    He would and apparently he’s an idiot. Damn it. Knew exactly who one scum member was too when I turned up dead.

    Gorlak is always spooked of me. FEP had me fooled though
     
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    But why Sorian
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    I thought it was dodgy that you seemed to care more than normal and I figured rac would be an easier lynch so I wanted to just shoot you overnight.
     
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    I played a little scummy to dodge the night kill.
     
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    I already knew. I just wanted people to agree it was unlikely/bad before you showed up.
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    Why was it bad aside from being the wrong answer?

    Also Stanley knows me so well.
     
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    Was L_P really that scummy? We ding the guy for not posting enough and when he actually makes a decent contribution you shoot him for no good reason. So in the Resetera meta it feels like bad play.

    And actually shooting as a 1 shot vigi on night 1 is probably always bad, it is a valuable tool to hit mafia and unless you have a very confident read your power is going to waste. Even if you die with the shot left it would have confirmed no SK for town. I think there is a lot more upside to not shooting last night in this sort of setup.
     
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    Using the vig shot as early as possible is always the correct move. It gives more information up front while not changing lylo (assuming correct play later which I know our meta tends not to do but we have before).

    He was my scum read, just because he gave more doesn’t mean he gave a lot and the correct shot is always going to be the other wagon (which I was heavily town reading) or someone low activity. rac or lp fit the bill, I 50/50’d wrong
     
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    But how do you know you aren't changing LYLO? With 50% of setups having an SK it is hard to work out just how many mislynches town has before day 2 starts.

    I can see the argument for shooting L_P off his different play and vote logic fwiw but I still think it is a low% move.
     
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    Because it's a game with an odd number of players from the start, regardless of what was active, my one kill will always just turn a LYLO into MYLO and because of the vig kill, the correct play is to no lynch at the mylo. Whether that would/will actually happen is up for debate obviously but taking into account the fact that I'm never long for the world when I'm town and that I'm always of the opinion that more info is always better, I don't really regret the play. If anything, I regret not pushing Gorlak more because I wanted to but I didn't want to deal with him going aggro on me day 1 since he usually has early sway.
     
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    Does this setup allow no lynch?
     
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    Yup, all of our games do by default.
     
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    just checked the game ot

    • Plurality Lynch (the person with the most votes at the end of every day phase is out) - town may not no lynch.

    ?
     
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    Stupid verbs
     
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    But if there was an SK then it is 3 night kills and it goes to 9. Then if town miss again it could be 6 and the game is over if mafia killed the SK in the night.

    You don't shoot and you can be pretty sure it is min 10 alive unless there are 2 vigs. Then you have 2 days worth of votes and flips to save the game if town misses on day 2.
     
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    Then @Fireblend is a baddie and didn't fix the rules since:

    21. Players may use [ HIGHLIGHT ]VOTE: No Lynch[ /HIGHLIGHT ] to end the Day Phase without a lynch ("No Lynch"). It must also be in an entirely separate line from any other text.

    Is still there. :P

    With my shot and a SK:

    13 players -> 9 players -> 6 players (LYLO if all misses)

    Without my shot and a SK

    13 players -> 10 players -> 7 players (MYLO if all misses)

    Assuming full 3 person scum team too so absolute worse scenarios. It ends up being the same since that mylo isn't technically the case with two kills since if the SK hits town too then it's over.
     
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    In the first scenario the game is over for town. 3 mafia alive out of 6 players. Unless you are in exactly the situation with 5T V M which seems like something not to fall back on.
     
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    It more depends on if the win con is outnumber or not, it does scum no good if the SK is still there and can kill one of them at night, they can’t just flagrantly tie the vote.
     
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    If OJ is scum I will feel used
     
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    Nakito, gorlak, comrade/rac is my hot take
     
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    I think shooting was the right play. Obviously I wish it wasn't me but it does give info on the setup and with his reputation, Sorian wouldn't last long anyway.
     
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    I just showed that shooting is absolutely the wrong play. And Sorian's response was bad math where he claimed town still had a chance when they actually just lose.
     
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    I can see a reason to not shoot but I'm not a big proponent of future math. Anything could happen on future nights. Protection, double up, hydro cannon, etc.
     
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    Well I read the spoilers.

    town is in a hard place isn't it

    I hope we have a cop with a good reading and a claim at the exact moment to wreak havoc

    Also scumchat plz
     
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    I don't have access to scum chat but at this point mafia should know they are in a great position. They can be pretty certain there is only 1 town PR unknown to them and it is either a 1-shot cop; a roleblocker or a doctor.

    They could think there is a scenario with an SK where Sorian didn't shoot that would give town 2 more PR letters which could mean a full cop but that is such an outside chance it isn't worth much consideration.
     
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    Also the 1 shot cop could had readed sorian or lp. If that is the case it is pretty much done

    I hope it readed
    OJ or rac, a fep/gorlak reading would just make the other ride it to endgame, but if those two aren't addressed today, paranoia can give town a fighting chance.
     
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    The the hard thing that would win the game is reading Oliver and Sparkster as town.

    Oliver is getting so emotional and I don't see him being able to replicate that as mafia. And Sparkster is just one dumb tell after another that he is town. Like that L_P call out, is he that oblivious as mafia? (Idk maybe)
     
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    Town are definitely in a weird spot. They need to start Town Reading people instead of Scum Reading folks which would help them snag maybe 1 or 2 of the Scum Players. Unsure if Town could catch all of Scum at this point without a PR to help though....

    FEP is playing an amazing game and really unsure if he would get caught. Rac is as well, though he's a bit more on the quiet side of things than being out-right Townie. Gorlak tripping over his words may bite him in the ass later if anyone else on Town picks it up and runs with it instead of just Monkey.
     
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    Town also needs to be more, well, Town. There are some Scum acting more Townie than some Town players at this point and it's fumbling reads in the wrong direction.
     
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    I think town is in a good place, they are mindful and try to use as much logic as possible with the little data they have.

    Scums are playing a very good game but town has a lot of strong player with a powerful voice. I may eat my words later on but I am certain Town is gonna win this game.
     
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    Yeah Gorlak on day 1 was acting so townie. He had a reads list with both partners as mafia. And is the only person defending Oliver. He would be hard town to me.
    FEP has just been getting universally town read. Maybe it is just my history with him but I never feel comfortable in my read of him. I was 90% sure he was town in bbum and still wasted effort on talking to zipped because fep is so slippery
    Rac hasn't been as involved but is hiding under the thick cover of lux, comrade and oliver he is way down the list of non-helpful players.

    As for the town leaders... Monkey is projecting solid town. Natiko I think I have a good read on in general, I don't think he would be 100% town to me. Stan idk, monkey got him town early, that might be good enough since I think he is a tricky read.

    And Brazil had a strong monopoly game. His main read was hilariously wrong but he was pushing hard all game. He seems more passive here, probably because no one has engaged him.

    So basically mafia have infiltrated the entire game. Fep is in with the solid town, Rac is in with the problem players and Gorlak is just floating around free to pick whatever side he needs to. I will be verry impressed if town can pull this out from here.
     
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    And Brazil just makes a good vote analysis post of day and puts Rac firmly in the frame. Solid work.
     
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    If only nomad pinged Sorian out as well
     
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    Yup that will doom him

    But given that we talk of Comrade I wonder if he really thought that lp was alive
     
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    "but the simple fact that you two are playing the way you are compared to the rest of the players here is enough of a red flag for me. I really doubt the entire scum team is laying low and barely posting. Someone must be taking charge for that faction."

    both are playing normally, so that's a scum tell????
     
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    This weird assumption that scum cannot be quiet is not helping him (or the people blindly following him).
     
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    Also, this is the second game in which Nomad forgets to vote. He went missing during the final hours of ONUW and never sent a vote in the 24 hours after the end of the game. Since he keeps wanting to play games, he could put more effort into them.
     
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    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    I think Brazil makes a fair point that Natiko and Monkey are not doing a great job at solving. Not extending reads beyond Oliver, Sparkster and Lux isn't doing town any favours. And if one of them is being more malicious about it then it is clearly Natiko.

    This is the worst of the posts imo

    That is a very narrow game view and he even floats the possibility of there only being 2 mafia. IDK how much time people spent looking at C9++ but with the setup and current reveals town should absolutely be thinking 3 mafia. Especially Natiko who is confident Sorian shot should be thinking there isn't an SK and therefore 100% that there is 3 mafia. So he isn't even following his own logic.

    It did look like Monkey wanted to move past Oliver if she got supported by Natiko that he was town but he put down the scum read and they have sort of stuck with it.
     
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    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    I'm done. I'm done.

    HOW NOMAD! HOW ARE YOU MESSING UP COLOURS WITH THE HIGHLIGHT TAG!

    but also he is the hero town needs.
     
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    Yeah, doesn't seem like the majority of the players are trying to guess the roles? But it's hard to try to read others when they're so quiet, which is why I don't understand Brazil thinks scum *has* to be talkative in this scenario
     
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    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    I did spend enough time rolling setups on Fireblend's generator to find a bug so I would say I have read and understand how roles work in this setup more than most. But as a group exercise town don't even seem to have even thought about trying to narrow down the setup.
     
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    Okay, Brazil, I forgive you :P

    though you could have created a better bait
     
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    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    But Brazil is sort of right that there is a mafia well hidden. It is just that FEP is too good and he was ignored by Brazil in his questioning of game leaders trusting each other.
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    You didn’t at all, I know you want to pretend this is a black and white thing where you’re right but that’s not how mafia works. No shit town loses if everyone that can kill keeps hitting town. Thanks for the lesson in nothing. Always use the tools you have.

    ——

    Anyway, fep’s vote is super awkward, maybe it’s brcause I tuned out the middle part of the day but I don’t see why he would ever drop that there.
     
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    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    Ok show me how town win a 3v3. You said it was LYLO, but if 3 mafia stack then with our rules that is a no lynch and a loss.
    Unless
    Town get both a save/block and vig kill to get back to having a majority in the day. The exact set up would need to be M VVV D ? T
    If the SK is alive then it is 3 v 2 v 1. Even if the SK hits mafia, as long as the mafia kill goes through then town can't win.

    And in both these scenarios the mafia have a roleblocker to enhance their powers.

    So no-shooting night 1 as a 1-shot vig guarantees that day 2 isn't MYLO

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    I agree about FEP's vote.
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    The situation only comes up with a living SK. They can’t stack their votes because then the SK can just pick them off while they have to kill the SK. If the SK has a BP then they are going to lose that majority as well.

    Since they can’t stack their votes they still have to play the 3v3 coyly and if town has a scum figured out, they’ll have to play along with the bus.
     
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    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    If they can determine who the SK is then they can win with the roleblock. And mafia not winning isn't the same thing as town winning.
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    Even in that shit situation, town has the advantage over the SK easily. Not all the set ups also have the scum roleblocker with what was known either so /shrug to that.

    I don’t see why you don’t make the shot as early as possible. The minuscule odds of the game ending super early are there but it almost never happens in practice since the SK has to aim for scum if mylo even mildly gets close.
     
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    Pedro The Last Airbender is actually a great movie
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    comrade sparkster's last post - 1h20m ago
    lux's last post - 1h32m ago
    fep's last post - 1h36m ago
    rac's last post - 7h22m ago
    stan's last post - 10h40m ago
    oj's last post - 18h12m ago
    gorlak's last post - 24h26m ago

    What happened to the rest of the players?
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    Meanwhile Brazil will make Monkeya nd Natiko eat each other :P
     
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    I missed this, sorry; i'll give you read access now
     
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    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    Well success for town.

    Will FEP ride that to victory?
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    Probably, even though it was a super awkward sticky vote.
     
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    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    Every possible combination that is not MV 5T has a roleblocker from your perspective.

    Holding the shot eliminates more players and gives more information to shoot with. It is that simple. Unless you have a super strong read, hold until night 2.

    Can I ask, if you had lived do you claim the shot on L_P?
     
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    Rac's legend lives on
     
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    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    It feels like over-bussing. If fep just sticks his vote on Lux there it probably goes through. Take the mislynch and move on.

    In monopoly the mafia team were bussing stuart hard then he obvious thing happened, the mafia players got their town read but lost their team mate.

    Fep has less day to survive here but this feels like it is going all the way to a final 3. And suddenly the game has turned from mafia being in charge to town being able to put things together.
     
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    turmoil7 more than six maelstroms

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    "Brazil should then since we know it’ll be a pure RNG"

    heh
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    Absolutely, I was only one shot. There is no reason not to claim. No other extra kills would happen so unless they get rabid for no reason, they can simply wait a day to see I’m not a SK.
     
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    RIP rac

    i can't stop laughing that they lynched him because Town just went 'FUCK IT' and went for someone semi-random.
     
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    turmoil7 more than six maelstroms

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    I wonder if this built trust between the Stan/monkey/nakito/brazil gang
     
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    May I have it as well?
     
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    Done ^^
     
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    Thank you! <3

    From the scums chat:

    I think fep forget that he could submit the block instead of gorlaky :c it could end up badly or them
     
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    Lone_Prodigy Am I at 10 posts yet?

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    The active ones are dead.
     
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    Theory about pr

    is Sparkster a cop? Did he check Monkey? I recall him declaring monkey as town randomly with no explanation D2, I'm thinking he gave his cop results?
     
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    Febe is doing a great job with the flavor :D
     
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    turmoil7 more than six maelstroms

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    Yup, quite dope

    Yay good doc save

    Or RB?
     
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    turmoil7 more than six maelstroms

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    Spoilers scumchat

    so scum knows that natiko is not the last PR, and the doc knows that natiko is town(or the RB knows that FEP is scum, which would be catastrophic for the scum team)

    Town had a super lucky turn of events since yesterday's days end
     
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    Stan is egg
     
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    turmoil7 more than six maelstroms

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    I don't know if claiming now or later, but it should be done today I think
     
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    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    Claiming as doctor is bad. The only reason to do so would be if you or your save are close to being lynched and since neither of those options seem likely it is best to remain hidden.

    The doctor in this setup cannot self protect so by claiming without being under duress all you are doing is giving mafia an easy target.
     
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    Later in the day if the doc finds itself on a thunderdome with a scum player presumably the scumplayer would counterclaim it. Not counting Brazil there are 6 Vs 2 players. It could happen. By claiming before a scum is in the chopping block they could make scum uncertain on how to proceed on the day. A late fake claim of theirs would lose credibility. Other townies would be choosing from a pool of 5 instead of 7
     
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    Faddy of, having, or involving transitory whims

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    Mafia actions stuff

    I just saw the mafia actions, did they discuss the reasons for using both the actions on a single player? If one player is the role blocker they have to hit the exact mafia to make a difference so the need to RB and kill them seems not optimal. Likewise if they are a doctor he cannot self heal and if they are a 1-shot cop they are dead before they can say their result.

    Spreading out powers gives a higher chance of either killing or blocking a cop, or killing or blocking a doctor
     
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    I edited your post, Faddy, since you were using the wrong spoiler tag.
     
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    it seems that they didn't think it carefully, the odds of town having a RB, they picking it, and the RB blocking it's killer are overhelmingly low indeed

    Town needed some carelessness on their part tho, now there is game
     
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    It would be fun if OJ is the doc lol