I don’t really see where you’re coming from here, by I’m sorry? There’s only a little over an hour left in the day, so at least I got my defense out early enough for people to chew on it!
It appears that my voting for Finster over Jason D1 is something I can’t easily shake off. Here what I want to say about that: how does that make me scum?
Things just got a whole lot more complicated, geez. Initial thoughts are that we have to verify Zordon’s flip, especially in light of two deathless nights and one of those days having a scum lynch. We have good momentum and are in a good place to check this out, additionally we’d get Green and Trini confirmed if this works out.
VOTE: Zordon
My interest in a Yellow lynch has really waned throughout this phase, even though I raise those points yesterday. I keep looking back at this post, and it feels like the towniest Zordon D4 vote after Kimberly’s.
The last line in particular only makes sense out of a scum’s mouth if either Green or Trini end up being godfathers, but that seems highly unlikely at this point.
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I'd seen your reasoning for picking Green Ranger, your consistency in that aspect is one of the reasons I couldn't scumread you when I made my first read on you. Similarly, you had made clear your feelings on a Jason vs Trini lynch. My question to you is why at the end of day 2 (in a Jason vs Black Ranger situation) did you leave your vote on Green Ranger, who was not going to be lynched, instead of going for Black Ranger who you had pegged as "anti-town" and leaving your less certain read of Jason to be lynched?As for the White Ranger's comments, I voted for the Green Ranger because he was my other major scum read on Day 2. I thought his Day 1 vote was suspicious and his overall play was him trying to lay low and avoid attention.
Otherwise, I didn't really care too much which of either Trini or Jason was lynched. At the time, I didn't have a particular preference between the two, and I was content to let the players who did make that choice. We were still going off of limited information, so early in the game, after all, so I thought eithet lynch would prove enlightening. On the other hand, I still thought Green was the scummiest player in the game at the time.
As for my following Zack onto Zordon, I'm not sure what to say other than the fact that I found his case really convincing, even if Zack himself was doubting himself. Zack was thorough and presented a solid case. I respect that. There really wasn't a whole lot for me to add.
Huh? That’s a pretty by the book vote considering the circumstances.My interest in a Yellow lynch has really waned throughout this phase, even though I raise those points yesterday. I keep looking back at this post, and it feels like the towniest Zordon D4 vote after Kimberly’s.
The last line in particular only makes sense out of a scum’s mouth if either Green or Trini end up being godfathers, but that seems highly unlikely at this point.
Sure. But why mention it? Especially when Scum already had rac to worry about.I mean... isn't it entirely possible that scum intends to simply take the confirmations on Green/Trini and shoot them in the night phase?
Yeah. I’m talking about the wording.Huh? That’s a pretty by the book vote considering the circumstances.
What sense is there trusting the cop over the red check, but distrusting his green checks? You think scum wouldn’t mention it in the that hope town just forgets about the other checks?
We’ll have to agree to disagree on this then. Just because we’re ahead doesn’t mean I want us to roll over and mislynch.
Sure. But why mention it? Especially when Scum already had rac to worry about.
I like this post because it lays out his reasoning for scum reading Rita, but like I mentioned that day, it was weird how Bulk was mentioned in passing, and then wrapped up up in a later post.Wow, never seen scum get so outplayed. So good to get a no kill night after a lynch like that.
Anyway, looking into the D2 votes now and Rita and Bulk come to mind, both for different reasons.
Rita pressed X for Jason for hours (she said she’d post some reads back at D1 already) and came through with maybe her most halfassed read in the game so far. Then pushed against his lynch for the rest of the day without actually town reading him at any moment. I’m now considering the possibility that Rita is using her fluff and flavor to pass of as a wild townie not afraid of missing, even if she ends up being dead wrong.
I mean, I feel like even if Trini flipped town others would lay off Rita due to how hard she pushed for Trini’s lynch.
“Would scum actually go in that hard on someone they know is town?”
That’s a really bold way of playing, but right now it’s definitely on my mind.
This is a weird thing to think. It was weird at the time, but it's doubly so with full knowledge that Black and Green Ranger both became lynch trains later, and with one of them flipped town, the other cop confirmed.Am I fucking paranoid to think this is a scum slip and they both posted together the idea someone had at scum chat?
This can read like a regular benign post or fishing for information. I'll give Skull the benefit of not being that obvious and say this was just a passing observation.Would be really surprised if a 1 shot bulletproof vest is all we got protection wise, especially considering Jason’s flip.
I do think it’s possible that scum targeted Pink, who left the game and had a vest too, but I believe our doctor soaked up the kill somehow. Don’t think they’d target rac with their strongman dead though.
Hm. So Skull finally did his re-read of Bulk and understandably found him townie. We never really hear anything more on that front, which concerns me as it looks like saying the minimal necessary to cop a believable town lean.Did a D1 reread on Bulk, and I feel better on him. His early vote on Jason was the result of a weird back and forth after Jason ignored Bulk’s questioning of the understanding of the game mechanics. Reading it and it feels genuine, and I can’t see scum nitpicking a teammate like this so soon into the game.
The quick explanation of the vote is also in line with what he said today about his D2 vote.
So, Green and Black again. This makes me feel better about Skull because at least he's consistent, but at the same time leads me to believe that if Yellow flips scum he would definitely be a prime suspect.That’s pretty damn good detective work Zack, great effort.
I’ll weigh in my opinion after reading it all.
Zordon - Nice to see some work into Zordon. Despite being a very strong presence so far, most have just passed by his posts. Can’t really define what’s up with his playstyle, but I feel like it’s aggressive, with a lot of questioning and proding, but still too broad to actually lead into an actual lynch, which is the perfect play for a skillful scum. Without more flips though, it’s hard to say whether Zordon pushed for the right targets other than Jason.
Zack’s post breakdown didn’t do much to me though since it presumes quite a lot on how scum works in the shadows, especially with coordination and timing.
Black Ranger - Huge blind spot for me. I town read him initially at D1, but his contributions got weird after he got called out, which is a scum tell to me. If you’re town (especially vanilla town like he inadvertently claimed) you shouldn’t change the way you play based on some criticism from other players, especially not something so banal as what happened. When I mentioned this, I didn’t care much for his response.
His being the initial push for Goldar surprisingly gives him some town points. That lynch came out of nowhere so hard that I think even scum got surprised by it.
Yellow Ranger - This might bite me in the ass later, but I have this gut town read on Yellow for quite some time. Their posts are scarce and irregular, but they are so concise and well-thought. I always find myself agreeing with them. I’d feel genuinely betrayed if they flipped scum right now.
Green Ranger - I have this nagging feeling that Green is an insanely perceptive player that is holding his punches, content with lots of sheeping and so-and-so reads so far. His vote on Jason D2 came at a critical moment, so I’ll cut some slack today, but it’s clear Green will need to be discussed later.
Possibly for general reasons, but Skull seems pretty sure about Rac getting hit one of these nights and this is just the second time.Hey guys. Scum went for the zero info kill with rac and finally got it. Hard to say right now, but I think that was their second attempt at him.
People should stop even considering that Kimberly is scum and did the most risky gambit in the world. It was pointed out last phase already: if there was a “real cop” and he counter claimed, scum would’ve lost 2 players just like that. Never mind that this happened after 2 no kill nights and not all players had posted prior yet. What if White Ranger was the “real cop” and he had an actual red check? Scum would obviously wait for everyone to check in before gambiting everything like that.
Reread D3 and see how they went at each other. Rita was onto Zordon from the very beginning, and pretty aggressively at that.
Zordon flipped goon actually, so maybe they still have a tracker out there. Doubt it though, most likely it was bait for Trini.
And remember Billy was inactive even before scum lost Jason, back at D2. Don’t think that means anything alignment wise.
I think I found out why I'm having trouble separating Skull and Bulk. They're a bit too...amiable. @Skull what do you think?Yeah, I can’t get behind a vote for Billy today. Understand Bulk’s reasoning for it, but disagree wholeheartedly. We shouldn’t change our lynching method because we have an advantage, we should keep at it.
Nah, can’t see it. The checks were already out, no one was going to forget about them.Sure. But why mention it? Especially when Scum already had rac to worry about.
Yeah. I’m talking about the wording.
I'm confused, can you explain why exactly this post gives you townie vibes?My interest in a Yellow lynch has really waned throughout this phase, even though I raise those points yesterday. I keep looking back at this post, and it feels like the towniest Zordon D4 vote after Kimberly’s.
The last line in particular only makes sense out of a scum’s mouth if either Green or Trini end up being godfathers, but that seems highly unlikely at this point.
Actually, what bothers me most about that post, @Zack, is the "Things just got a whole lot more complicated, geez." part.
How the hell did a cop check on Zordon make things more complicated?
At the time I didn’t know Zordon was scum, and I was thinking that you were. Having a cop claim out of nowhere red checking somebody who wasn’t really pinging my scum radar threw me for a loop. It was not how I expected the day to go.
Okay, your post was confusing the heck out of me.Sorry, I should have been clearer. I'd seen your reasoning for picking Green Ranger, your consistency in that aspect is one of the reasons I couldn't scumread you when I made my first read on you. Similarly, you had made clear your feelings on a Jason vs Trini lynch. My question to you is why at the end of day 2 (in a Jason vs Black Ranger situation) did you leave your vote on Green Ranger, who was not going to be lynched, instead of going for Black Ranger who you had pegged as "anti-town" and leaving your less certain read of Jason to be lynched?
At the time I didn’t know Zordon was scum, and I was thinking that you were. Having a cop claim out of nowhere red checking somebody who wasn’t really pinging my scum radar threw me for a loop. It was not how I expected the day to go.
I don't get how that makes things more complicated. It's not like Zordon wasn't suspected of being scum before that? It threw you for that much of a loop?
I don't feel like I'm entitled to voting today after my absence. I guess I'd vote for Yellow given most of my town reads are voting there to avoid a tie, but right now it's pretty meaningless.Tommy, Blue Ranger, Bulk, and Zack haven't voted yet.
Kimberly and Trini are currently sitting on misspelled votes.
I don't feel like I'm entitled to voting today after my absence. I guess I'd vote for Yellow given most of my town reads are voting there to avoid a tie, but right now it's pretty meaningless.
I don't feel like I'm entitled to voting today after my absence. I guess I'd vote for Yellow given most of my town reads are voting there to avoid a tie, but right now it's pretty meaningless.
I corrected I thinkTommy, Blue Ranger, Bulk, and Zack haven't voted yet.
Kimberly and Trini are currently sitting on misspelled votes.
What I have is a list of people I'd be ok with lynching. As I said above, White, Yellow and Alpha are ok on my book. Let's go here for now, and I'll break the tie if necessary:....
What?
Why?
Surely you have some scum read right now, yes?
Sorry it seems my lack of sleep is making it a bit hard for me to articulate this.Okay, your post was confusing the heck out of me.
I never left the Green Ranger on Day 2. I ended the day with my vote on Green. I never voted for the Black Ranger on day 2 at all. My vote for the Black Ranger was on Day 3. I voted for him then because at that point the Zordon bote had collapsed and I thought the Black Ranger was scummier than Trini.
That quote is from day 2. You ended your day 2 on Green Ranger, who had no chance of being lynched. Why did you not vote for Black Ranger, a possible lynch candidate on day 2, if you thought he was anti-town?I am feeling worse and worse about the Black Ranger the longer this day goes on. I don't understand his game right now at all, but it no longer feels town.
I would be happy to fix that for you, if you like. My choice between voting you or Green was practically a coun toss.
We kinda like voted at the same time =/I like the fact that Bulks vote to tie was immediately undone.
It still serves my objective of avoiding a one-sided vote though.I like the fact that Bulks vote to tie was immediately undone.
I was posting that at work lol, had to finish it later.So, I went ahead and read up on Skull, trying to figure out why I keep blending him with Bulk.
I like this post because it lays out his reasoning for scum reading Rita, but like I mentioned that day, it was weird how Bulk was mentioned in passing, and then wrapped up up in a later post.
Huh, wrote that weirdly. Meant that scum finally got a kill in, not necessarily on rac.Later, Skull explains that his wariness came from Bulk sitting on Jason most of the day and then moving off before the end. When Bulk says that's just how he plays, having a vote down to express his feelings, Skull feels that's a comprehensive answer, but he'll read more into Bulk later.
This is a weird thing to think. It was weird at the time, but it's doubly so with full knowledge that Black and Green Ranger both became lynch trains later, and with one of them flipped town, the other cop confirmed.
This can read like a regular benign post or fishing for information. I'll give Skull the benefit of not being that obvious and say this was just a passing observation.
Hm. So Skull finally did his re-read of Bulk and understandably found him townie. We never really hear anything more on that front, which concerns me as it looks like saying the minimal necessary to cop a believable town lean.
So, Green and Black again. This makes me feel better about Skull because at least he's consistent, but at the same time leads me to believe that if Yellow flips scum he would definitely be a prime suspect.
Possibly for general reasons, but Skull seems pretty sure about Rac getting hit one of these nights and this is just the second time.
Bulk - His vote for Jason did come at a crucial moment, swinging momentum towards his lynch. The way he sat on his vote on him for some time at the start of the day got my attention, but I liked his response and it aligned with what he had said previously. Disliked his push for Billy at the start of the phase, and how the way he brandished his own vote for Jason earlier as a semi-clear on him. That’s why I’m only leaning town on him.
I kind of feel like Yellow has some of the defensiveness that plagued BR [/Highlight]
Because I thought the Green Ranger was scum, and thought the cases against both Jason and the Black Ranger were pretty solid. I was pretty clear that Jason's posts were getting scummier and scummier. Likewise " anti-town" isn't necessarily a super-strong scum read. A member of town who is playing poorly also counts as " antitown".Sorry it seems my lack of sleep is making it a bit hard for me to articulate this.
That quote is from day 2. You ended your day 2 on Green Ranger, who had no chance of being lynched. Why did you not vote for Black Ranger, a possible lynch candidate on day 2, if you thought he was anti-town?
We kinda like voted at the same time =/
I don't think that says what you wanted it to say?I'm not saying it was not intentional.
Ok, so the difference between your suspicion of Black Ranger and your uncertainty over Jason wasn't enough to make you think your vote could be better served on anything other than a purely symbolic vote?Because I thought the Green Ranger was scum, and thought the cases against both Jason and the Black Ranger were pretty solid. I was pretty clear that Jason's posts were getting scummier and scummier. Likewise " anti-town" isn't necessarily a super-strong scum read. A member of town who is playing poorly also counts as " antitown".
The "you" here being the White Ranger.Seriously, you presuming a stronger scum read on Black than what I actually had. I thought both were equally scummy enough that I was okay with either being lynched.
Vote: Yellow Ranger
A tie is the dumbest idea ever.
Exactly.Ok, so the difference between your suspicion of Black Ranger and your uncertainty over Jason wasn't enough to make you think your vote could be better served on anything other than a purely symbolic vote?
So my choices are Yellow or Alpha?
At the risk of sounding like I’m doubling back, I’m debating if I really want to vote for yellow, these posts are reading like frustrated town now.
With 15 minutes in the clock and a chance at saving myself, not really
Generally you're right, but the problem is that only being defensive can be seen as guilt. I felt like BR was just exhausted by that which is why he flagged off.If defending yourself against mislynch is something that plagues a townie, then I hope all townies get infected by said plague. This line of thinking is frankly ridiculous- defending yourself should be NAI since, scum neutral or town, you should want to survive and further your alignment’s game. I’m not going to be ashamed of defending myself, no matter how “panicky” anybody wants to paint it. I don’t give up, simple as that.
I’d really prefer to lynch Rita, but I’m willing to join the Alpha train if I must. His posts haven’t really pinged me much this game but at least his vote record is fairly poor, so it’s something.
VOTE: Alpha 5
Hmu if you people want to lynch Rita tho
S frustrated town
Why are you even voting for me?Wanna join me on Alpha then?
Alrighty, sorry it took so long for me to lay it out without my sentences getting all jumbled together.Exactly.
Why are you even voting for me?
Huh, this sure looks shady when someone else does it lolOh, we can at least keep it close, still 15 minutes
VOTE: Alpha 5
I hope everyone is aware of that fact that keeping it close gives scum more of a chance to swing the vote the way they want.
Not you, I meant Bulk.
I'm not (at the moment), but I still feel you're a little bit scummy.
Also, I mistakenly thought Billy's vote would tie it up because I have a headache, but it didn't.
And that makes later phases easier.
If we can lynch scum today, we should try to do it. This isn't the time to worry about future phases.
?If it's between Alpha and White. It's white for me.
Vote: Yellow Ranger
If it's between Alpha and White. It's white for me.
Vote: Yellow Ranger
whatIf it's between Alpha and White. It's white for me.
Vote: Yellow Ranger
If it's between Alpha and White. It's white for me.
Vote: Yellow Ranger
If it's between Alpha and White. It's white for me.
Vote: Yellow Ranger
If it's between Alpha and White. It's white for me.
Vote: Yellow Ranger
Man, I'm legit laughing right now from that vote.
No, it's 7 x 6 right now.