Green Ranger
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I hope I wasn't wrong about this.
Game Thread Power Rangers Mafia | The Community Park Where All the Monster Fights Happen
- Thread starter Sawneeks
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melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
==== DAY 5 FINAL VOTES ====
Day Start - Day End
yellow ranger (7 votes)
green ranger - #2587
alpha 5 - #2675
trini - #2685 #2695
rita repulsa - #2717
kimberly - #2730
blue ranger - #2744
trini - #2757
tommy - #2781
alpha 5 (6 votes)
rita repulsa - #2637 #2649
white ranger - #2678
zack - #2731
trini - #2732 #2757
bulk - #2743
yellow ranger - #2752
billy - #2765
skull - #2784
billy (0 votes)
bulk - #2427 #2670
yellow (0 votes)
kimberly - #2727 #2730
rita repulsa (0 votes)
trini - #2476 #2685
yellow ranger - #2658 #2752
bulk (0 votes)
alpha 5 - #2493 #2661
white ranger (0 votes)
billy - #2619 #2765
skull - #2680 #2784
tommy (0 votes)
zack - #2431 #2668
rita repulsa - #2433 #2624
billy - #2502 #2619
kimberly - #2607 #2620
alpha5 (0 votes)
trini - #2695 #2732
Post Counts:
billy: 48 rita repulsa: 47 tommy: 45 skull: 36 kimberly: 35 zack: 28 bulk: 22 yellow ranger: 21 alpha 5: 20 blue ranger: 19 trini: 19 green ranger: 18 white ranger: 17 melonrabbit: 3 sawneeks: 2 pedro: 1
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Day Start - Day End
yellow ranger (7 votes)
green ranger - #2587
alpha 5 - #2675
rita repulsa - #2717
kimberly - #2730
blue ranger - #2744
trini - #2757
tommy - #2781
alpha 5 (6 votes)
white ranger - #2678
zack - #2731
bulk - #2743
yellow ranger - #2752
billy - #2765
skull - #2784
billy (0 votes)
yellow (0 votes)
rita repulsa (0 votes)
bulk (0 votes)
white ranger (0 votes)
tommy (0 votes)
alpha5 (0 votes)
Post Counts:
billy: 48 rita repulsa: 47 tommy: 45 skull: 36 kimberly: 35 zack: 28 bulk: 22 yellow ranger: 21 alpha 5: 20 blue ranger: 19 trini: 19 green ranger: 18 white ranger: 17 melonrabbit: 3 sawneeks: 2 pedro: 1
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melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
It was to get harder to trust each other under the burden of flavor. The previous mission hadn't exactly raised team morale. In the days following the workplace was beginning to get a little bit hostile. The Rangers were turning on one another and someone had been taking all the pens.
The Command Center was unnervingly quiet as an air of unease had taken root and allowed to settle in. The Rangers stood around doing very little, if anything at all. The wait for someone, anyone to attack the community center or the park was preferable to this.
The lights flickered. The electric bill had been forgot amongst the drama and the wifi was criminal slow. Worst, things had stalled in all Peace Conference activities and committee was expecting them nominate someone to send. The committee had even sent three representatives to speed things along but even they could read the room and realize there was no hope for peace here.
Rocky, Aisha and Adam stood around uncomfortable as a hastily vote in classic MafiaERA tradition took place.
“Do you want us to wait outside?”
No one seemed to hear Rocky.
“We took a vote and you're it.”
“But doesn't that mean?”
“Yes. You're off the show.”
Yellow Ranger has joined the Peace Conference and written off the show immediately!
Night 5 begins
The Command Center was unnervingly quiet as an air of unease had taken root and allowed to settle in. The Rangers stood around doing very little, if anything at all. The wait for someone, anyone to attack the community center or the park was preferable to this.
The lights flickered. The electric bill had been forgot amongst the drama and the wifi was criminal slow. Worst, things had stalled in all Peace Conference activities and committee was expecting them nominate someone to send. The committee had even sent three representatives to speed things along but even they could read the room and realize there was no hope for peace here.
Rocky, Aisha and Adam stood around uncomfortable as a hastily vote in classic MafiaERA tradition took place.
“Do you want us to wait outside?”
No one seemed to hear Rocky.
“We took a vote and you're it.”
“But doesn't that mean?”
“Yes. You're off the show.”
Yellow Ranger has joined the Peace Conference and written off the show immediately!
Night 5 begins
Sawneeks
little green dog
Taking a break from your regularly scheduled Peace Conference, here is a preview of an upcoming hit new TV show airing this summer!
And some comments from the show's excited fans!
"It's like Power Rangers meets Friends....and yet it's worse than you think that sounds." - RetroMG
"But...why?" - Include
"Eh, it's probably not that bad" - Terra 'I microwave my ice cream' force
"Take Power Rangers and remove all the budget, costume design, acting, and fun. That is what this show is." - Muffin
--
Trini has died!
Day 6 Begins
Day 6 Ends in:
Majority is 6
And some comments from the show's excited fans!
"It's like Power Rangers meets Friends....and yet it's worse than you think that sounds." - RetroMG
"But...why?" - Include
"Eh, it's probably not that bad" - Terra 'I microwave my ice cream' force
"Take Power Rangers and remove all the budget, costume design, acting, and fun. That is what this show is." - Muffin
--
Trini has died!
Day 6 Begins
Day 6 Ends in:
Majority is 6
Green Ranger
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I'm not sure where to start with yesterday's vote. I assume we have scum on the Yellow vote. Especially towards the end when it appeared to be a viable choice.
Alpha 5
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Does that mean that you suspect the Blue Ranger? At this point I think it is safe to say Kimberly and Tommy are likely what they claim to be. Well, Kimberly is a safer bet than Tommy, but no one has counter-claimed Tommy.
That's odd... scum didn't try to kill the claimed doctor?
Zack
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Scum is in rough shape and needs those sweet mislynches. Trini wasn't gonna happen - Tommy, on the other hand, needs to explain that weird EoD vote.
Look at Alpha over there already relativizing Tommy's town cred without really mentioning the weirdness of Tommy's vote or really committing to it.
Zack
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Goddammit
Those teenagers have tattoos? What is this filth. I'm very old and this new generation disgusts me.
Blue Ranger
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I mean, it's possible but then you'd have to believe Alpha was a scum for this to make sense, not to mention over half are semi-confirmed, with Trini (rest her soul) being confirmed town.
Green Ranger
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I may have said that going off memory rather than actually looking at the votes first. As yes, the semi-confirmed people sort of muddy the idea I brought up.
Blue Ranger
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I don't know. Doctor claim can go three ways. Either scum believes they can force a mislynch, they thought he'd be protected at night, or it's not true, but I'm willing to believe it is without counter.
.... waitasecond
Tattooed Teenage Alien Fighters from Beverly Hills was an actual honest to god show?
I thought that clip was a PARODY.
Green Ranger
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I keep thinking about voting for Alpha but the thing that I'm wondering about is where would their teammate be voting? If we assume all the role claims are true, the only possible candidate on Yellow is Blue and with Alphas vote, it could be most of the people there pretty much. Maybe they decided to vote for Alpha because it seemed unlikely to happen for a while. So they would look good later if Alpha did end up being lynched.
For now:
Vote: Alpha-5
I've been curious about Alpha for the whole game and I sort of just want to see their flip at this point.
For now:
Vote: Alpha-5
I've been curious about Alpha for the whole game and I sort of just want to see their flip at this point.
You spelled the vote wrong.
Blue Ranger
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Wait, you were? Then why did you vote for Yellow?
Green Ranger
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Between the two of them, I wanted to see Yellow lynched more. I did mention at some point that I was fine with the lynch going either way.
Vote: Alpha 5
Zack
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Bizarro Hechtomad*
Green Ranger
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Yeah, Skulls vote was some weak stuff. Especially at this stage in the game. I know his justification was that he wasn't around during the day and didn't feel justified in voting but he had previous days on which he would have gotten some kind of impression on Alpha or Yellow.
Zack
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I feel like you're confusing things.
Blue Ranger
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Was that Skull?
Blue Ranger
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Yeah, post #2737 has Bulk mentioning he didn't feel comfortable voting after his absence.
Green Ranger
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Tommy mentioned Skull and a tie so I thought he was talking about what was actually Bulk trying to tie the vote.
Billy
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I think Tommy Wiseau is a better actor than this one.
Billy
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You've missed two very obvious kills in a row. We threw godfather shade at Green so much yesterday that it should have telegraphed perfectly to you which of the two to protect. By your own admission, you protected her N3 which means she wouldn't fall into a weird rule like "can't protect the same target consecutively" and the only thing that made mild sense of why you even protected her before she was town confirmed was that maybe you were a lover doctor with her which clearly isn't the case since you also state that you had a reason for doing it that puts someone in danger. I don't see many other options for why that could be.
You're full of shit trying to craft a story.
Green Ranger
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I feel like there's a good argument for why Tommy can't be scum claiming doctor, but it's nearly 2am and I can't seem to articulate it. Something about how it would have been better for scum to target someone else and then Tommy could claim that they protected Trini. Also with the roles we've seen so far, I feel like we must have a doctor to explain at least one of the 2 nights with no kills.
Billy
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There must be more than what Rita claimed, yes, but it doesn’t have to be a doctor and what we have here is a janky pressured claim that I think fucked up by saying it protected Trini earlier than made sense and still doesn’t have a good reason for why that would be.
Tommy
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Fake doctor? Again? You are playing a dangerous game here. You gotta be real sure about this or it's lynch me and then you...
I couldve protected Trini, Kimberly, myself or green. All town in my eyes. Aswell as for scum.
Wrong last two nights. But right the two before.
Tommy
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Whattt
So, you are saying I fucked up for not protecting Trini n5, but I have no good reason for protection of Trini n3?
Please correct me if I understood that wrong.
Billy
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I’ll pass on your vieled threat of a linked lynch, thanks
Billy
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You’re the only that didn’t give a reason for why you did it N3 but then handwaved when asked why as it’s to protect someone else or some nonsense.
Tommy
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That's why I'm warning you, thanks.
Tommy
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Okay, specially for you, before we lynch the doctor again.
I can't protect the same person twice in a row. So that's why I protected Trini instead of Rac night 3. Now I didn't want to say that before, because it would've killed Kimberly. Clear now?
Billy
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Clearly, like 99% of every other doctor in this community, which now makes even less sense why you missed since Kimberly wasn’t even an option.
sigh
I literally told Billy that this would be the likely outcome of his questioning in the gossip chat. : \
Tommy
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If that's so clear, why you bring it up? I'm sure you can understand I don't want to make scum wiser than they are? I'm sure we don't have the brightest scum team in your eyes then, since they didn't go for Rac n3.
Tommy
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Sorry. Doesn't really matter for next night, but if I successfully block again, scum knows what's up for the night after.
I figured they didn't know yet, because they didn't go for Rac n3.
Billy
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Because without Kimberly then you had even less options. I don’t see how a real doctor misses there.
Alpha 5
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Not sure what you mean. Sure there was a discrepancy between what Tommy said and Tommy's vote, but the vote seemed correct. I presumed they just mistyped something. It is barely worth a double-take.
And I am not sure what you mean by "relativizing" town cred. I'm just stating facts: we have pretty good indication that Kimberly is a town cop after her catching Zordon and Trini's unfortunate flip. Similarly, the absence of two night kills backs up Tommy's claim, because there must be a cop and no one has counter-claimed them. Neither is 100% certain without a flip, but I think chasing either of the two right now seems rather silly.
Blue Ranger
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Why? Trini N3 was understandable since she railed against Jason, but she was cop checked N5. How would she be a worse call?
Billy
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Trini was greenchecked day 4. There absolutely is a difference between N3 and N5
Billy
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Also, let's go back to the moment of your claim while you were still likely improving:
The "reason" is that you couldn't protect rac two nights in a row apparently. So you went with a town read. That's all well and good but baiting as if you had more information was a stall tactic. This exchange can happen the exact same way with you saying that you thought they wouldn't try rac again after they failed once but instead you teased as if there was something else which is a ploy that clearly worked considering Rita spent all of last day phase and night thinking that you had more to share and would definitely be able to share it via a self protect.
A real doctor doesn't tease the weakness in their role, they gloss over it without a mention.
The "reason" is that you couldn't protect rac two nights in a row apparently. So you went with a town read. That's all well and good but baiting as if you had more information was a stall tactic. This exchange can happen the exact same way with you saying that you thought they wouldn't try rac again after they failed once but instead you teased as if there was something else which is a ploy that clearly worked considering Rita spent all of last day phase and night thinking that you had more to share and would definitely be able to share it via a self protect.
A real doctor doesn't tease the weakness in their role, they gloss over it without a mention.
Skull
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Hey y’all.
Wait, you’re thinking Bulk right? Didn’t understand this conversation.
Tommy mentioned my vote tying it at the end, but I think we had 10 minutes or so before day end when I voted. I didn’t realize we were so close to turbo though, would have abstained there at the end if I did.
Wait, you’re thinking Bulk right? Didn’t understand this conversation.
Tommy mentioned my vote tying it at the end, but I think we had 10 minutes or so before day end when I voted. I didn’t realize we were so close to turbo though, would have abstained there at the end if I did.
I'm starting to understand where Billy is coming from on this, at least.
Skull
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This fake doctor talk is total crazy for me. We’ve had 2 deathless nights and no counterclaims, where could that protection be?
Considering that, it doesn’t matter to me if Tommy’s targeting is questionable (which I don’t), they are our doctor. I confess the “unshareable info” was kinda weird since pretty much all doctors in the community come with that limitation, but at worst case that makes me think that this is a new or a returning player.
Considering that, it doesn’t matter to me if Tommy’s targeting is questionable (which I don’t), they are our doctor. I confess the “unshareable info” was kinda weird since pretty much all doctors in the community come with that limitation, but at worst case that makes me think that this is a new or a returning player.
Skull
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I’m lost on that reference. Are you Sorian now?
We would explicitly need a role that could be countered by a strongman to come forward, and they would have to come forward before mylo/lylo.
Skull
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I got kinda lost and EoD there. Not playing the day before messed my rhythm and I didn’t even realize we were gearing up till it was 15 minutes till the end.
I tried making my case for White Ranger but no one payed it any mind, including him who completely ignored it, and then I had to choose between Alpha and Yellow, wasn’t interested in neither lynch, so my vote came kinda bland at the end.
I tried making my case for White Ranger but no one payed it any mind, including him who completely ignored it, and then I had to choose between Alpha and Yellow, wasn’t interested in neither lynch, so my vote came kinda bland at the end.
White Ranger
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My goodness, I was planning on going to sleep early today and playing all day tomorrow over Queen's Birthday, but this is so bad I can't let it go unanswered:
You mean this right?
I didn't just ignore this, I didn't respond to it because there is nothing to actually respond to. It is literally exactly what you'd already brought up, but with the added bonus of "I didn't like his response". Get out of here with that "woe is me, the ignored player" act.
Tommy
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C'mon, green check or not, Trini was never going to be lynched. I'm just glad at least the scum team agreed with me. N5 there were more options to protect than Trini.
Stall tactic. I just see it as protecting Kimberly. Yes, it's assumable I can't protect twice in a row. But I think it would not have looked good for Kimberly if I just said I couldn't protect her n4.
Stall tactic. I just see it as protecting Kimberly. Yes, it's assumable I can't protect twice in a row. But I think it would not have looked good for Kimberly if I just said I couldn't protect her n4.
Skull
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I guess you’re right, but I did expect a reaction to the vote. This post where you downplay my point and mentions Billy’s “nothing to say” vote made me think you’d have more to share.
White Ranger
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I must admit that I was a tad surprised because I'd taken you at your word when you said you didn't necessarily think there was scum between Kimberly and myself, that it was just something you'd noticed, but it didn't change anything for me. Similarly when Billy came at me saying he didn't like old White Ranger mentioning Zordon a few times and wasn't a fan of how little impact I'd be having, I figured that I wasn't going to be in too much trouble unless someone made a convincing argument against me. So I bade my time and focused on what I'd be doing with my vote rather than worrying about myself getting votes.
Bulk
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I can't get behind Billy's reasoning for suspecting Tommy, specially since we got 0 counterclaims for either a Doctor role or some other explanation of why there were no NKs early on. Alpha 5 seems fine as a candidate for now, seeing how most of this page is dedicated to Tommy discussion and how close yesterday's vote was. I will try to reread people I'm suspicious off today since I have free time.
Also, I forgot to mention it in my first post yesterday, but what a terrible day end. I didn't even realize we'd hit majority. The vote did end up pretty split and yellow was widely suspected though, so hopefully it should give us more info in retrospective.
Also, I forgot to mention it in my first post yesterday, but what a terrible day end. I didn't even realize we'd hit majority. The vote did end up pretty split and yellow was widely suspected though, so hopefully it should give us more info in retrospective.
Skull
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This post makes sense, but bolded is weird to me.
You’re wording it like I lied. I said it wasn’t hard evidence, but the voting got my attention, so I paid more attention to your posts in the phase and decided to vote for it. I thought I had more time to confirm it later, but in the end I changed my vote anyway so w/e.
White Ranger
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Sorry, I should have worded that better. What I mean is that when you responded that it was just something that you had on your mind and that you'd be paying me a little extra attention, I figured that with it being cleared up that I overreacted the matter was settled. I suppose it was the overreaction itself that convinced you there was something to be found, but I wasn't expecting you to vote me over it without some new observation along with it.
Billy
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I’ve been debating if yesterday was town/town or not. I knew immediately from day end being called that we were wrong but scum has what? Two people left? It’s not like they can really influence a vote anymore at this point which is why I’m confused on if it was close enough that Alpha was “saved” I don’t think he was. If he was scum, he was getting bussed or his partner wasn’t here.
I wasn’t really sold on him as scum yesterday and had my vote there to cause a closer day end and I’m not really sold on him today. Feels more like scum trying to get down that rabbit hole of chain lynchi competing wagons.
Bulk certainly doesn’t mind going right back to that well.
I wasn’t really sold on him as scum yesterday and had my vote there to cause a closer day end and I’m not really sold on him today. Feels more like scum trying to get down that rabbit hole of chain lynchi competing wagons.
Bulk certainly doesn’t mind going right back to that well.
Bulk
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This is some shade. The vote record is still an important part of what we should use to read the game and identify lynch targets, and Alpha 5 is still a valid lynch target. I don't know if that comment was a harsh reaction to me saying I couldn't agree with your line of thinking on Tommy, but that's some harsh misconstruction of what I said, specially when I didn't even vote for Alpha again.
Alpha 5
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Can someone actually name some reasons to lynch me today? The three votes on me currently have zero reasons between them, most people who voted me yesterday did so late in the day and few specified specific reasons, and what few reasons the White Ranger gave seemed to be based on some misunderstandings that I thought we had cleared up.
It feels like the entire vote push for me is built on nothing but momentum driven by vague suspicions that people haven't taken the time to put into words yet.
It feels like the entire vote push for me is built on nothing but momentum driven by vague suspicions that people haven't taken the time to put into words yet.
Blue Ranger
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I'm trying to understand where you're coming from but your Trini point is confusing me. Is there a reason not to protect her when she probably wont be lynched?
Kimberly
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Hi folks. Sorry I’m late to the party here.
Tommy, now could you explain what made you pick trini on D3?
Also, Bulk, I know that you wanted to vote to make a tie yesterday. Did you see anyone react to that in a way that made you suspicious?
And...
I’m assuming that they kept Tommy because they would still be a lynchable target what with there being an air of doubt there.
Tommy, now could you explain what made you pick trini on D3?
Also, Bulk, I know that you wanted to vote to make a tie yesterday. Did you see anyone react to that in a way that made you suspicious?
And...
I’m assuming that they kept Tommy because they would still be a lynchable target what with there being an air of doubt there.
Hmm.... something doesn't feel right.
Blue Ranger
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And that is...?
Ever since Billy went at it with Tommy, I just haven't felt good about that. I understand where Billy's coming from, at least, but I don't agree with his logic.
There's also a lot of dead air too, perhaps as a result of three votes being placed on Alpha 5 rather quickly.
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Bulk
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There wasn't any big reaction to my vote. Some people understandably balked at me for saying I didn't feel I was entitled to voting, which maybe was phrased weird, but the only reaction to my tie vote (immediately undone, btw) was Trini's, who said ties were dumb, so that doesn't tell us much. About tying the vote in general, Green Ranger was against it, since it made it easier for scum to swing the vote, and to which Billy replied it would make later phases easier.
Speaking of which, @Billy , you said that, but today you just said this a couple hours ago:
Throwing shade at me for trying to get people to read into yesterday's votes? Pick a lane. Or did you think of something overnight that made you think the tight vote wasn't useful anymore?
Rita, I was actually going to ask you about that since I just reread the end of the day. You said Billy was making you second-guess yourself. That sounded a bit more serious than your position now, which seems to be, you see where Billy's coming from but disagree with him. Did he mention anything in your chat that he hasn't here that maybe made you question yourself more?
I put my suspicions into words on you in Day 5.
That being said, there's the whole thing Tommy mentioned about how you tried to lynch Zordon on Day 3, so...
@Zack I'd like to hear your logic for Alpha 5 and Skull.
Blue Ranger
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The "Billy making me second guess myself" thing was in regards to Yellow Ranger, as he was trying to convince me that Yellow's outburst was townie.
In regards to Billy vs Tommy, there's been nothing specific in the chat, but I've found his push on Tommy odd because ultimately it still requires someone to be a counter to the three shot strongman. Of which nobody has come up claiming that other than Tommy. I'm not really certain if it's a scum-tell tho.
Bulk
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Oh, I guess that makes sense. Was he trying to get you to switch to Alpha, or did he just say he thought Yellow was town?
He was just saying how he liked that outburst, and explained why he town read it. Specifically, it was about how it came off as a frustrated townie, because scum at this point would probably be a bit number due to all the losses they've had up to that point.
Also I'm having an issue with my web browser right now that's making it difficult to load multiple tabs. It's impeding my ability to read the thread back a bit x_X;
Billy
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You were the most recent person to say it so I used you to throw shade at the entire idea, yes. Obviously you didn't vote, I think maj is 6 now and Alpha already has three. Your lack of vote means nothing.
I don't understand why you think these two posts are against each other? Clearly a close vote doesn't matter if both entities are town. I went into that last 15 minutes of the day thinking yellow was scum and Alpha was a lean town but as we got closer to the end, especially when I did my quick catch up and read how yellow reacted to the pressure, it was a lot clearer that yellow was town which left it as a likely town/town vote which means jack all no matter how close the votes were.
Bulk
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I wish we'd had nuBilly for the entirety of the game so we could look at his vote record and posts =/
As it stands now, he's pretty much impossible to read and really low-info as a lynch target. Everything I can think of is "why would scum argue against the claimed doctor" WIFOM trash.
As it stands now, he's pretty much impossible to read and really low-info as a lynch target. Everything I can think of is "why would scum argue against the claimed doctor" WIFOM trash.
Bulk
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Because in one you said having the votes end close together would help us later in the game, and on the second you're throwing shade at me for suggesting that's where we should look. Your opinion on Yellow might have evolved sure, but I doubt your views on how to catch scum did. You voted 15 mins before the day was over too, you were here, it's funny that your views evolved in a space of time where all you did was talk to Rita about your concerns instead of here.
Billy
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Clearly I'm not going to convince you all of Tommy until he continues to make more excuses so we can move on.
Zack, Skull, and White are still my main issue spots for a scummate.
Zack is a real contender, he's been background noise for today and has slid right into that Alpha vote without much more commentary on anything.
Zack, Skull, and White are still my main issue spots for a scummate.
Zack is a real contender, he's been background noise for today and has slid right into that Alpha vote without much more commentary on anything.
I think the only thing that's likely to convince people of a Tommy lynch is if someone else claims or flips as something that could be countered by a 3-shot Strongman, tbh.
Bulk
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Have you gone into your thoughts about the lack of NKs early in the game? Sorry if you have, I'm doing chores and can't read too far back.
Billy
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Yes, because I made that post with the mindset that we had a town/scum wagon. The information is useless if it's town/town, not sure how you don't understand that.
Also, my views evolved in the space of time where I had to go back and read the hour and a half that I was absent. I also did say here in thread that I liked Yellow's outburst and most of my conversation with Rita actually took place between day end being called and the flip being revealed.
Nice shade on things you weren't present for though.
Billy
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Not really because that's an exercise in guessing. Rita had a BP out for N2 which could have stopped that kill which just means one missing kill. That could be anything, a roleblock, someone with a natural BP, scum not making a kill, the list is endless.
Alpha 5
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I went back to look up your previous arguments. I actually have already responded to those soon after you made them, but you never commented on my response at all. It makes me feel a touch ignored.
Kimberly
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I think it’s the intensity with which he’s going at it too.
I appreciate that Billy had come in with fresh eyes and I think we can benefit from that but it has also resulted in some shit-stirring as well. I.e. talk of godfathers screwing with checks and being pretty adamant that Tommy is lying.
Can’t help that this is causing more problems than it’s solving. Granted I have a fair bit of rereading still to do from yesterday and today.
Bulk
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Isn't your claimed role enough to counter the strongman though, the BP giver? Town and scum roles don't have to match up 1:1 IMO. I wouldn't say my belief in Tommy's claims is particularly tied to there being a Strongman in the game, more the lack of deaths early on we have 0 info about.
This is better. The suggestion that someone has a natural BP is bad, but at least it's something and you did admit it was an exercise in guessing.
I don't think it's useless info if it's town vs town. In that scenario, I'd expect scum to try and hide in the losing vote (which should make me suspicious of Skull, I know, and I am). And also, we don't know if it was town-town at all; are you defending Alpha 5 now?
Billy
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1-shot BP giver is not enough to counter 3-shot strongman. I agree that they don't have to match up 1:1 but that's so lopsided that Rita's role may as well not exist.
Scum has no reason to "hide" in the losing vote. If they are not in danger, then they can just vote for whoever they've been pretending to scum read up to that point, doesn't matter if it's the losing or winning vote. Also, you've quoted me multiple times now where I have Alpha has a town lean. I voted him yesterday to force more moves and then stayed on it as the lesser of two evils since yellow practically cleared themselves imo. I think people trying to continue that chain today are scummier than Alpha himself easily.
Yeah, put simply, both Tommy's role and my own make perfect sense in regards to the strongman. Tommy's role is countered by the strongman, and the strongman is countered by my own. For anyone to suspect Tommy, we'd need another claim to come forward that could be countered by the strongman.
I'm gonna actually re-read over this in a second, but pardon me if I'm a bit slow because I'm having difficulty keeping up right now. I did note the misinterpretation of that one post tho.
Bulk
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It was an honest question on your stance on Alpha, not an evil plan to influence a narrative. It's gonna take more than you chasing weird theories (which is funny given that you suggested just now that theorizing what happened to the missed kills was an experiment in frustration but imagining a scenario where Tommy isn't our Doctor/defensive role isn't) for me to scumread you. I can't think of many scenarios in which you and Rita aren't both scum partners, and I still townread Rita.
Do you townread Rita?