Scum Thread Bandora's Palace

[Skull]

I confess I didn’t see much on possible PRs this night. Lost that Trini lead Zordon picked up, but Rita made a weird “claim” of defensive powers that got lost during the rush. Wouldn’t bet on it though.

 

[Skull]

We should definitely strong kill today. And I will think hard on who.

 

[Zordon]

Rita's so over the top that she might be a PR. I'll look back through the thread too.

 

[Alpha 5]

I am a simple Jailer, with no chat mechanic or limitations. I roleblock someone and keep them from being night killed.

I am going to need a coverstory in case I am ever discovered though. I can be honest about being a Jailer, but I will be asked to justify my choice of targets.

If I was town, I would probably consider Jailing someone talkative like Rita, the Black Ranger, or the Pink Ranger. Active targets are more likely to be targeted by scum and may not be power roles. Alternatively, I can roleblock Finster because I on the surface suspect them of being scum, but my scum paranoia is worried that they are a town power role of some sort.

 

[Alpha 5]

Is Jason being scum and turning his back on the Rangers really living?

Hey, I will inform you that we are totally the good guys here! Our team consists of the great and benevolent Zordon, his loyal and ever-capable assistant Alpha 5, the courageous leader of the Power Rangers, and a fine, upstanding citizen of Angel Grove. So far, we have even defeated the evil Rita Repulsa's right-hand minion.

We just need to downsize the team a little bit, that's all. A good reboot of the cast every now and then doesn't hurt.

 

[Zordon]

My suggestion is we kill Pink and jail Trini or Finster.

Also I approve of your explanation for melon. We are the real heroes here. I mean, Rita is leading town and we are all here. I think that says it all.

 

[Skull]

I think you should jail Pink Ranger. That could solidify your fake claim later and I’m pretty sure he’s Brazil and my brother, which means he knows who I am as well lol.

You picked a bone with Finster today though. And his cockiness got me thinking he’s a PR that can prove his aligment if need be. He was resolute about his reads and didn’t back down, got me thinking he’s not afraid of getting attention right now.

 

[Skull]

So jailing Finster could be a good idea as well. You could justify that you tried to roleblock him.

 

[Skull]

Fine with killing Pink too. Don’t think he’s a PR.

I tend to lurk a bit at the beginning if I’m a Town PR, so I’ll try to comb the thread looking for players that could fit that bill.

 

[Alpha 5]

I honestly think the Green Ranger was laying low a bit. It is hard to say though.

I am okay with roleblocking Finster, but do you all still think Rita might have a PR?

 

[Zordon]

Skulldorin, Are we feeling pretty sure about Pink as Brazil? Because Brazil can be tilted pretty hard so I don't want to kill him unless he gets up one of our asses and that whole "alignment on our reads" today can be useful between me and him.

Maybe we should consider killing Finster. None of the loud players were a particular threat and it might sow some confusion if we kill someone more middle of the road in terms of impact, especially if they turn out to be a PR. But if they can't prove alignment, I think that would be an easy lynch, especially if we can push the conflict between them and Zack. Wondering if Finster is Sophia.

I do agree Green Ranger laid low. But that in itself is not much of a tell. Man, this is tough. There's too many possibilities here.

 

[Skull]

I’ll reread Pink to confirm that, but on my initial read I was sure. There’s a tongue in cheek post where he said “Skull successfully pocketed me. gj” that almost confirmed it to me.
I’m just afraid of the off chance he’s a PR, since he seems to know I’m Skull.

Finster could be a good target if you guys agree he’s a PR. His flip would be rather impactful considering the way the day ended on him.


Let’s wait and hear Jason on this, but roleblock Pink and kill Finster could be interesting.

 

[Skull]

 

[Skull]

Skulldorin, Are we feeling pretty sure about Pink as Brazil? Because Brazil can be tilted pretty hard so I don't want to kill him unless he gets up one of our asses and that whole "alignment on our reads" today can be useful between me and him.

Maybe we should consider killing Finster. None of the loud players were a particular threat and it might sow some confusion if we kill someone more middle of the road in terms of impact, especially if they turn out to be a PR. But if they can't prove alignment, I think that would be an easy lynch, especially if we can push the conflict between them and Zack. Wondering if Finster is Sophia.

I do agree Green Ranger laid low. But that in itself is not much of a tell. Man, this is tough. There's too many possibilities here.

On Pinkrazil, during Monopoly he figured out Grizzly due to how much they agreed with each other. Unsure if that’s what he’s doing with you, but I’ll be careful with him, especially after that “pocketed” comment.

 

[Jason]

I’m ok with killing pink or finster and jailing the other.

Also ok with growing green ranger in there as well

 

[Skull]

Well, did a reread on Pink and I do think it’s Brazil. I know he’s in the game, and his posting habits are there, as well as the timing a amount.

I did pick up the usage of “mafia” instead of the usual “scum”. Might be there to distract.

 

[Skull]

I’ve been thinking of my possible fake claim.

I can choose a dead PR the night phase after his death, assuming his role and the remaining shots he had for the rest of the game.

It could work great if we manage to copy someone’s power before killing him later. Or it could suck hard if we hit an important PR before I get to copy it.

 

[Zordon]

On Pinkrazil, during Monopoly he figured out Grizzly due to how much they agreed with each other. Unsure if that’s what he’s doing with you, but I’ll be careful with him, especially after that “pocketed” comment.

I can handle Pinkrazil. We went so hard at each other during HvV and then we just had the mini, so I know him pretty well (obviously not as well as you, haha). But I will keep this in mind.

 

[Alpha 5]

Skull, is there a limit on how many times you can use your power? If you copy something, does it last the rest of the game or just one phase?

 

[Skull]

I can handle Pinkrazil. We went so hard at each other during HvV and then we just had the mini, so I know him pretty well (obviously not as well as you, haha). But I will keep this in mind.

Yeah, I’m pretty sure you can. Just important to point that out.
I think we should block him and kill Fins then.

Skull, is there a limit on how many times you can use your power? If you copy something, does it last the rest of the game or just one phase?

I’m one shot copy. If I manage to copy someone, I’ll be that role for the rest of the game. If I miss and hit a vanilla townie, I’ll be just a goon.

 

[Zordon]

Yeah, I’m pretty sure you can. Just important to point that out.
I think we should block him and kill Fins then.

I'm on board for all of these.

Note to Brazil for the future:

 

[Skull]

I'm on board for all of these.

Note to Brazil for the future:

Note to Brazil:

(boy, I hope he’s really Pink).

 

[Jason]

If we are killing Finster, I will submit with the strong kill. Best use them or lose them!

Is that consensus?

 

[Alpha 5]

Yeah, go ahead and use the strong kill.

I guess I will go ahead and jail the Pink Ranger then. Give me a sec to doublecheck my command.

 

[Alpha 5]

Okay, time to arrange a teleporter "accident".

Teleport location set: South Pole, Antarctica

Jail: Pink Ranger

 

[Skull]

We should guarantee the first kill, yeah. Especially considering you will be up for the lynch D2.

 

[Zordon]

Yep, strong it up.

 

[Jason]

STRONG KILL: FINSTER

 

[Jason]

unblockable and bypasses all protections. Finster should be gone.

 

[Jason]

now what do we do for a day? i'm going to steer clear of Bulk start of day, unless directly called out.

 

[Zordon]

I will start by asking everyone about the Goldar lynch, since I missed all that. Gonna try to stay about third highest poster, maybe a little lower if someone else steps up.

 

[Sawneeks]

Commands Received

You can change them up until the deadline if you want.

 

[Skull]

In response to Blue Ranger, I’ll post this (not immediately of course):

“We had Blue Ranger and Jason slowly pile up votes during the day, and the mess starts when Jason votes for Blue.


Some posters question this vote right off the bat, but it’s Trini that actually changes her vote to him, commenting how fishy the “trust” bit was and how he was lying about his reasoning for voting.


After that there’s shade thrown all around, and then Zordon and Pink Ranger vote for Jason, making it a three-way tie (Finster, Jason and Trini). Things scale down for a bi and then comes Tommy and Kimberly votes on Trini as well.


This is the moment Goldar comes back with some top level trolling and votes for Blue Ranger and some other shenanigans. He quickly beckmes a lynch candidate again, since he had some rather old votes from Finster and Black Ranger. Red Ranger and Green Ranger vote for him, which consolidates the wagons and Goldar ends up mislynched.


So, that’s a whole lot of movement in a Day 1 end. Normally we would see the final wagons stabilize way earlier. I’m inclined to believe we had scum on the line and so the team had to intervene, which made EoD such a mess.”

 

[Skull]

Will try to slowly back off Jason without attracting much attention. With Finster dead, I think the conversation will move elsewhere towards Zack.

 

[Alpha 5]

I need to take some time to reread the thread and consider some arguments to make.

 

[Skull]

Finster flipping can be a opportunity for you to reset Alpha.

See if you can point out reads or connections no one mentioned and try to build a case, even if you know it’s way off base and fruitless. As long as you pass the feeling that you’re being earnest in what you do, no one will push for your lynch till it’s end game.

 

[Zordon]

That's good advice. Remember that town is usually wrong anyway so it's okay to be "wrong" - if you can make a case and put in effort, people will town read you.

 

[Alpha 5]

I am really nervous that everything is going to backfire horribly somehow. For some reason the night phase is more nerve-wracking than the day phase. At least during the day-phase I can tell how people are reacting. Right now all I am able to do is second-guess myself.

 

[Zordon]

I understand. My first scum game I was SO nervous. But remember: the very worst thing that happens is we lose and so what? We’ve all lost before. :)

You’re gonna be fine. We’re gonna do our best to crush and demoralize town.

 

[Skull]

I understand. My first scum game I was SO nervous. But remember: the very worst thing that happens is we lose and so what? We’ve all lost before. :)

You’re gonna be fine. We’re gonna do our best to crush and demoralize town.

I haven’t lost yet lol. Everything’s at stake right now.

 

[Zordon]

I haven’t lost yet lol. Everything’s at stake right now.

we cursed now

 

[Zordon]

Ah, too bad Finster was ordinary but watching them arm flail about why they died is delightful already.

 

[Skull]

Ah, that was a bad read on my part, Finster was just a normie after all. It’s good to see town lost though hahaha.

I’m kinda conflicted that we didn’t hit a PR yet, with the lynch and the NK, since that means I get more shots at copying someone.

 

[Jason]

So Zack is kyanrute, or is Zack pretending to be kyanrute...

 

[Alpha 5]

I am worried that some suspicion will fall on me today. Hopefully I will limit any heat I get so it doesn't hit the rest of you.

If we are lucky, townies will continue to draw attention and heat to each other.

 

[Skull]

Yeah, that was pretty blatant by Zack.

And I don’t think so alpha, I will openly town read you today. Even have the arguments set up.

 

[Zordon]

Zack is probably pretending. They also did “eat me” d1, which is a Stan thing.

 

[Skull]

Ah, I hope Finster wasn’t Sophia, my self proclaimed arch-nemesis.

Sorry if we killed you Sophy!

 

[Skull]

I’m lost with Red Ranger on you Alpha. What’s his point exactly? Didn’t you comment before voting that you wouldn’t move your vote to avoid a tie and all that?

 

[Alpha 5]

I honestly don't know. My best guess is that he got super-defensive over me calling his vote out. Maybe I can use this against him.

 

[Skull]

Zack is probably Vere. He’s pretty straightforward and knows his stuff about the community, so the pretending makes sense.

 

[Alpha 5]

To be honest, I'm still not that familiar with most of the community, so this whole format really doesn't change much for me.

 

[Zordon]

I honestly don't know. My best guess is that he got super-defensive over me calling his vote out. Maybe I can use this against him.

Agreed, keep chipping away at him. If he gets flustered, great.

 

[Jason]

Zack is probably Vere. He’s pretty straightforward and knows his stuff about the community, so the pretending makes sense.

Except I don’t think kyanrute is actually in this game...

 

[Alpha 5]

You know, Rita is 100% right that town gave us perfect cover on day 1. Obviously I am not going to tell her that in the main thread though.

 

[Skull]

Except I don’t think kyanrute is actually in this game...

lol didn’t check that.

 

[Skull]

You know, Rita is 100% right that town gave us perfect cover on day 1. Obviously I am not going to tell her that in the main thread though.

Yeah they did. Not necessarily with the goldar votes, but the whole day end.

 

[Zordon]

Now they’re wrapped up with justifying the Goldar lynch. Love it.

 

[Alpha 5]

So, do we have any strategy for today?

 

[Skull]

Wing it like always. Pray that Jason manages to get town off him.

Can’t see much other than that. I think we should push for other easy targets but I’m drawing blanks on who and afraid that trying to do so bite us in the ass later.

 

[Skull]

In the main thread I didn’t give my input on a lot of players. I look into ways of converting that into scum leans if need be, but so far I’m unsure on who.

 

[Alpha 5]

I was tempted to bus Jason a bit today. I have had him listed as one of my scum reads for a while, and it might look bad if I don't ever press that. Good idea? Bad idea?

 

[Skull]

Leaving it completely open might be dangerous later. Think you should at least address it somehow. I don’t remember what you said about him earlier so I can’t give expecifics, but maybe you can comment how there was no change between your read from then and now even though a lot happened, so you’re seconding thinking yourself.

 

[Jason]

Bus me a bit but I would say only if bulk keeps tunneling.

Im not an advocate of starting a bus of a fellow scum teammate. However being number 2 on that bus... that’s a good spot to be

 

[Alpha 5]

Okay, got it.

 

[Zordon]

I'm gonna try to link Black - Jason - Trini - that way if Jason gets lynched, we can mislynch those two, but if Trini/Black go first and flip town, it might help clear Jason. But I'm also gonna push some of the quieter people a little, since there are a few people who aren't doing much/anything today.

 

[Skull]

Nice bait with the Lazy Town post lol.

Sucks that Tommy got replaced. He gets a pass today, especially since they haven’t found a replacement yet.

 

[Skull]

I want to town read Black a bit after this exchange. Felt like he explained himself pretty well.

I’m also glad that Rita is on Bulk and liked Jason’s contributions. Let’s see if we can get some traction over there.

 

[Zordon]

Nice bait with the Lazy Town post lol.

Sucks that Tommy got replaced. He gets a pass today, especially since they haven’t found a replacement yet.

Can’t believe the bait was that easy.

 

[Zordon]

Oh wow, Black Ranger is shook. I would like to lynch Trini for my own health and sanity but Black might end up taking himself out n

 

[Skull]

He’s just saying whatever he feels like with much thought. It could easily backfire and cause his mislynch.

I don’t think I’ll be able to vote there though. I’m waiting for Bulk to come back so I can see if I stay in the Jason bus or not.

 

[Skull]

Either way I should throw some shade towards Jason again, but this time without a vote or something.

@Jason what do you feel of dropping some subtle hints that you’re Zipped so I can do a back pedal on my read?

 

[Skull]

I think that could help me a bit. We were masons just now with Monopoly, so if our identities eventually leak or would probably get some credit.

 

[Skull]

If we are doing that, give me a heads up before so I can vote first or post about you.

 

[Skull]

I think that could help me a bit. We were masons just now with Monopoly, so if our identities eventually leak or would probably get some credit.

we would probably get some credit.*

 

[Zordon]

Someone should probably jump on an unknown quantity, like Yellow maybe.

 

[Alpha 5]

I think I just locked myself into a Red or Green push today, or I would give that a try. If I can convince people of a possible connection between Red or Green with Trini, we might get people following that dead end for at least a little bit.

 

[Skull]

I think I can go a bit at Green. But I don’t know if we can hold Jason anymore, would be really weird if I didn’t vote for him between the lynch candidates growing right now.

 

[Skull]

Ugh. Hate the state of the game right now. Feels like we’re stuck with Jason’s lynch coming up and I can’t play the way I want to.

Are we lacking coordination? I have the impression we barely talk in here and just do whatever at the main thread.

 

[Skull]

Hate that I’m kinda afraid of posting today.

 

[Skull]

Feel like joining in with a bus on Jason right now would be too much on the nose. What if we pretend some dead air? People don’t seem that motivated to post right now.

 

[Jason]

I think we have great rapport in game thread. It stops the really observant from thinking "Alpha 5 and Jason never talk here, but they always seem on the same page, I wonder if they are scum".

I know my gameplay hasn't helped, weekends are just bad for me to play and last thursday didn't help. It doesn't help that bulk will NOT let it go.

 

[Skull]

That would probably take a while tho. Unsure if we can wait till that happens. Black Ranger probably wouldn’t fight much against a lynch, but that could be traced back to us.

 

[Zordon]

I think part in here is just timing. I at least will be around all day. I am worried we may lose Jason but I haven’t caught up yet so we will see what we can do.

 

[Jason]

I'm getting behind the Trini vote, it's the way my story has been playing, still has some viability from yesterday (I wasn't involved at all with the final goldar vs Trini vote) and it is also self serving.

That being said I can and would change if a better target came around.

 

[Zordon]

If you have a couple more posts in you, I'm going to need to push the question I asked about you moving from trusting trini to suspecting her - ignoring it would be inconsistent for me.

 

[Zordon]

but I'd like to wait until after someone else posts so I don't have three in a row.

 

[Zordon]

Okay, things are hopping now. I'm gonna make a new reads list of sorts - anyone in particular y'all think I should work in? @Skull did you have an idea for strategy?

 

[Jason]

but I'd like to wait until after someone else posts so I don't have three in a row.

which post? I didn't see it but I'm terribly unobservant at times.

 

[Jason]

was it this one?

I'm not sure how to respond to this. I don't think I would even if I was town.

It would likely go a little like this:

Zordon, I think you are asking how I can justify flipping my read within one day phase. I thought I had that in post #1160. But Esssentially my reads went from town read, to rereading end of Day1 to slight scum read. it is a bit of a self serving vote as well, but its also aligned with where my head is at the moment. I think we gain some information from a Trini flip.

 

[Jason]

and Kimberly and Zack doing my work for me thanks y'all.

 

[Zordon]

lol I love them

was it this one?

I'm not sure how to respond to this. I don't think I would even if I was town.

It would likely go a little like this:

Zordon, I think you are asking how I can justify flipping my read within one day phase. I thought I had that in post #1160. But Esssentially my reads went from town read, to rereading end of Day1 to slight scum read. it is a bit of a self serving vote as well, but its also aligned with where my head is at the moment. I think we gain some information from a Trini flip.

I think it's fine - we talked around each other. Works out. I wouldn't push it again here.

My big concern is that if we lynch Trini today then you'll be the target tomorrow.

 

[Jason]

lol I love them

I think it's fine - we talked around each other. Works out. I wouldn't push it again here.

My big concern is that if we lynch Trini today then you'll be the target tomorrow.

Probably, but then I'll only have one more strong shot left. we just need to make sure we hit someone good.

 

[Zordon]

Skull, if Jason ends up a lynch, can you copy him? I assume yes? Dunno if that’s the best move but if we can’t save him.

 

[Alpha 5]

Just woke up, need to catch up with probably several pages.

 

[Skull]

Sorry for my absence. Had the time to post before but didn’t.

I can’t copy you guys unfortunately, only town PRs.

 

[Skull]

I think I need to bus Jason now. But will keep it rather open for later. Think of shading Green while at it.

 

[Zordon]

You think Trini could be a cop?

 

[Skull]

You have that impression? I went into this day thinking she’s vanilla. She didn’t care much for her possible D1 lynch. That would be weird as a cop with zero scans.

 

[Zordon]

I read it more as being amused if people lynched her. She couldn’t claim to save herself; she’d almost certainly die anyway. She just seems SO certain.