Spectator Thread Marvel Heroes Spec Thread - The Half That Hates Me
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I do wonder who Fand actually plans to try and lynch.
rac and Polter are both the only real possibilities obviously but I can't see a good enough case for either.
I wonder this myself. I assume not but would be cool if you could >_> Suicide yourself at night!
There is no case for them that is better than Fandorin. Everyone else has been green checked or has a verified ability and most likely does not have a second active ability (which would be day killing)
Same, I imagine rac could be easier since other roles have been weird though. Say that town having an odd night doctor and vig/full doctor made no sense either so scum could have one npc and a npc/day killer. It'll be interesting to see what he tries.
Fandorin has even just laid it out.
Now all they need to do is wonder who has no verified status.
Rac is verified NPC creator
Polter is verified fake deather
Fandorin is unverified Vanilla.
By ANY amount of logic, the choice is obvious.
We need Kawl in there NOW.
What happened there?
oh mann
you can read it, phase lasted like thirty minutes
but i dont want to link you my embarrassments so i basically came in with a pretyped post that was completely wrong, left a vote and remaining scum hammered :')
What day did that happen?
I honestly can't believe polter hasn't scrolled up, ynnek says why it wouldn't make sense to have him and stu on opposite teams.
THINK ABOUT IT why on EARTH would scum!ynnek out a town read scum!include :(?
THINK ABOUT IT why on EARTH would scum!ynnek out a town read scum!include :(?
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
I can't believe this shit
rac - NPC creator, unlikely scum had two
Ynnek - as good as a greencheck via Stuart flip
Polter - proved his role by dying temporarily and couldn't have killed anybody
Kawl - literal greencheck and scum already had a godfather
Fandorin - vanilla town claim lol
rac - NPC creator, unlikely scum had two
Ynnek - as good as a greencheck via Stuart flip
Polter - proved his role by dying temporarily and couldn't have killed anybody
Kawl - literal greencheck and scum already had a godfather
Fandorin - vanilla town claim lol
the last day, like six or seven or something
*goes to read*
Oh man, you led Town to the a massacre at the hellmouth didn't ya.
Swamped
Dazzling Mafia Queen
awww <3
you were a really great scum as well!
I will echo this. You were impossible to mislynch in that game, which is the most town can strive for.
Kalor
Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
No-one remembers what dead players said in this game. If they managed to die they mustn't have had anything important to say in the first place.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
About that...
Town will lynch Fan when Kawl shows up. It’s really easy to overthink stuff late game though so I’m not surprised they’re rehashing this all.
Kalor
Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
Kawl has two vests so he won't be leaving anytime soon.
Well Ynnek is MIA, Kawl is MIA and Fan can submit a kill in 20 minutes or more from now iirc. and Polter has gone to eat.
I have a feeling a kill will go out before a lynch happens.
Oh wait he does? I know it was talked about earlier but I assumed one overrode another or something.
Nope they stack. That's why the lover's role was worded the way it was.
Kalor
Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
Fandorin just thinks he has one vest. There's been no reason to suspect he has multiple beyond the event item he won.
So we might have no day kill.
That would confuse Town even more. It shouldn't lead to lynching Town but it might confuse them enough for Fandorin to take advantage >.<
Kawl gets notified every time he loses a vest so he would know a day kill happened.
Verelios
Were-elios
Xbro
Bags his own tea
Kawl said he had two.
This too, I don't feel like finding it but I thought it was public info that he had two even though no one has said as much for awhile.
Yeah I remember seeing it but again, I just thought they overrode. Also didn't know that he was told when one got taken out.
The more you know.
I never actually noticed that myself
(I'd probably go back and highlight myself if it was me since that would annoy the hell out of me. I prefer consistency >_<)
Got busy and completely forgot about this game. Final 5 wow. Fandorin is the only scum left, right? Hopefully it should be an easy win for town at this point.
it SHOULD be an easy win yes.
IT IS RIGHT.
IT'S THE ONLY LOGICAL CHOICE
BELIEVE IN YOURSELF POLTER AND VOTE FOR THE SCUM
Man, if Mafia win this round, Stuart is gonna go full on YAYVIDEOGAMES.
Verelios
Were-elios
YOU SHOULD DO THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF EVERYTHING SAID RIGHT HERE
Top melee player in the whole galaxy
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Hey, he doesn’t play that scrub shit. Brawl only for our champ.
There is only one good option and 4 bad or outright STUPID options.
Kawl: Green checked. Godfather already dead. Unlikely to be 2 Godfathers.
Polter & Rac & Ynnek: Verified powers. Unlikely to have day vig abilities
Fandorin: Vanilla
Out of all of those. Ynnek would be stupid, Kawl would be stupid, Polter and Rac have a stronger case because of their verified abilities.
Fandorin is the only choice.
Kawl: Green checked. Godfather already dead. Unlikely to be 2 Godfathers.
Polter & Rac & Ynnek: Verified powers. Unlikely to have day vig abilities
Fandorin: Vanilla
Out of all of those. Ynnek would be stupid, Kawl would be stupid, Polter and Rac have a stronger case because of their verified abilities.
Fandorin is the only choice.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
To be fair that’s over simplifying matters. Having an ability verified doesn’t preclude it from being their only ability - especially in a game designed by Sorian. Look at BladeSymphony’s role for instance. It’s also very hard to just default into the ‘obvious’ lynch in lylo. Everyone loves to reference the town hooker moment - well in that game several of us scum read Sorian, but I was SO SURE this other group was scum and that if we hit scum I would be the next person to die that I forced the issue and said to leave Sorian for another day. I was completely wrong and threw the game, all because I didn’t want to take the “easy” route.
It still makes more sense than lynching Oreo. If Oreo had been scum, they'd have probably fought harder being the last scum around.
He was aimed at because his power didn't seem towny/they didn't think about what uses it might have to town (like delaying kills if Oreo had managed to hit scum with it) along with being quiet and not fighting his lynch. If he was the last scum, he'd have tried harder I'm sure. Oreo's lynch was completely unneeded.
Besides that, only JOATS have had several 'active' abilities, the rest have been only active or passive AFAIK or one of each. (RB & Godfather for instance). I'd say it's highly likely that only one person is likely to have the day vig ability and it's the only vanilla left alive.
tl;dr: Oversimplifying or not, there is no case to be made for anyone but Fandorin. There is no reason where Town!Brazil is dead but Town!Fandorin is left alive considering scum has been prioritizing active players to basically confirmed players like Ynnek.
I appreciate the fact that @Poltergust is trying harder now in the absence of other strong town voices since those voices were snuffed out by the mighty power of Thanos.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I mean yes, we know the best case is against Fan since he’s the last scum. Like I said though Sorian has a penchant for unconvential roles and BladeSymphony with both an active protect and active kill ability show it’s not impossible. As far as the final scum defending himself, Polter is the one mainly going out of his way to defend himself currently so that’s not always a good route to take. The best argument for Fan is that he’s alive. The better choice would have been to leave Brazil to be the final kill before the winning death since that would mask Fan living a bit more, but I can understand why Fan would just want to get rid of him once he was delayed.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Unless Kawl places a vote it probably stagnates til closer to day end.
tbf i could totally see last scum giving up like that, it's an uphill battle especially with all the confirmeds. maybe projecting, but i personally couldn't imagine having a lot of posting motivation in that position.
and delays are just bootleg roleblocks, which this game had of either alignment but they usually shake out to hurting town more than scum. oreo's target record wasn't showing the best and it was floating around that his delay on blarg had maybe killed zeke. i don't think his lynch was that bad, brazil had a list of other stuff oreo had done outside his role that was also rather convincing i feel.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Hey Sorian, out of curiosity do you count posts between when you say to standby and when you post the flip? Like let’s say Kawl and Polter have voted rac, Fan submits the kill, and you post the standby post - if a vote or unvote came in prior to the flip would you count it?
What I said is still a good enough case to me. Not the roles part but also the fact that Town!Brazil is dead. Scum has gone after active players a lot. Why would they stop now?
If Fandorin is alive yet Brazil is dead, it leads to the idea that Fandorin is scum. If he was Town, he'd be dead by now (and certainly by the day kill today)
It's not even a dumb idea and it's FAR more concrete than going after Rac because "idk, rac feels more likely than Fandorin"
I should but watching this game.
I mean
Scum might actually pull it off
Because Town
pls no.
I see your point, it would be strange for town Fandorin to be alive. But I hate to say it, I probably could explain it away that Brazil died bc he had more town cred. With him starting the train on ET and Kalor taking a shot at him there was like no chance he was scum. Fandorin has been townread but I don't think he's had any moment where people definitively said there was no way scum would do this.
It's easy to ignore/explain off one wrong thing when the overall posting and behavior of someone has been so good :(
but also go sleep the game will still be here later lolol
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Fan is going to take this fucking home and break the hearts of everyone in his wake.
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
This really doesn't make sense btw. Fan and Brazil trusted each other, killing one of them breaks up a possibly anti-scum voting block. If anything Brazil's death makes Fan look more town.
And survival isn't suspicious while there are still confirmeds alived.
*sigh*
townies, this is really simple ;-;.
- polter couldn't kill while dead
- scum!ynnek wouldn't help out the most townread scum at that time
- why would scum have two npc creators? why wouldn't town have one at least if that was the case thus not rac
- why would scum!kawl take the 50% chance of hitting team mates
thus it is fandorin :(.
townies, this is really simple ;-;.
- polter couldn't kill while dead
- scum!ynnek wouldn't help out the most townread scum at that time
- why would scum have two npc creators? why wouldn't town have one at least if that was the case thus not rac
- why would scum!kawl take the 50% chance of hitting team mates
thus it is fandorin :(.
Pedro
The Last Airbender is actually a great movie
Hey y'all, it's always easier to look at the game from the spec chat and see the way out for town; if they were here and you were there you'd probably be playing in a similar way to them. Because of this I'm going to ask everyone to tone down on the comments saying how logical/obvious is Choice A, and that Town is bad/is dumb/can't think to be thinking about Choice B.
That doesn't foster good discussion and puts the remaining players below us, when like I said most of us would be doing the same thing. Lylo is just hard.
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Is Kawl an e-sporter?
That doesn't foster good discussion and puts the remaining players below us, when like I said most of us would be doing the same thing. Lylo is just hard.
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Is Kawl an e-sporter?
I'm sorry, I don't want the remaining townies to think I'm having a go when they get access here.
Instead, I'll cheer them on as best I can :).
Instead, I'll cheer them on as best I can :).
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
Yea, I could make a case for rac still being scum. Play style > can trump your role claim (with the role rac had neway)if you did some scum read things. The only thing giving rac town cred is “why would there be two scum npc creators”. So I don’t blame town for looking at rac.
He hasn't done anything scummy period.