Private Chat 1
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EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
Interesting
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
What does that mean?
Roulette chat partner?
Roulette chat partner?
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Where were you at EoD by the way? And why did you keep your vote on Dubs?
As for the result:
Not surprised at all that ET was Scum. I called his ass out right away as doing the same shit he did in GoT and I was right.
As for Coolest, I still think he's probably Town. My plan is to go back through D1 again and look for people who never wanted to go ET or who were really trying to get someone else lynched.
Honestly, Stuart is at the top of that list. He never wanted ET, and he was all about Coolest as soon as he could go for him.
As for the result:
Not surprised at all that ET was Scum. I called his ass out right away as doing the same shit he did in GoT and I was right.
As for Coolest, I still think he's probably Town. My plan is to go back through D1 again and look for people who never wanted to go ET or who were really trying to get someone else lynched.
Honestly, Stuart is at the top of that list. He never wanted ET, and he was all about Coolest as soon as he could go for him.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Wait, you aren't the one who picked me? This isn't my chat man, I thought you put me in here.
EzekelRAGE
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Fanto
Confirmed Town
Well now this is weird.
Now I'm wondering:
- Are you lying?
- Is someone else going to show up?
- Did someone put us in here and they can read it but can't chat in it?
- Is Cabot just fucking with us?
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
Eod - busy
Dubs vote - still think he was scummy
Stuart - I can see A scum Stuart happening. Will need to reread the thread. Him being stuck on the subject to change comment. He even brought it up again. His preemptive explanations. I don’t remember him doing it but I can have a very poor memory.
Dubs vote - still think he was scummy
Stuart - I can see A scum Stuart happening. Will need to reread the thread. Him being stuck on the subject to change comment. He even brought it up again. His preemptive explanations. I don’t remember him doing it but I can have a very poor memory.
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
1. If this is true, I have to be scum. As town I don’t really have a reason to lie about it.
3. Possibly
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah, his odd defensiveness was weird to me. And I don't remember him being like that in Kingdom Hearts, but that's the only game I've seen him in so I don't know if that's worth checking back on.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
And for what it's worth, I don't really have a scum read on you so I doubt you are lying here. Mostly your play reminds me of what little you had in GoT and what I spectated in KH. The bit where you were just saying "interesting" and "shrug" was funny obviously, and I do think you were right to call me out for speculating about power roles on D1 like that. I also remember thinking that people who were scum reading you at times felt a bit lazy, like you were an easy one for them to latch on to, similar to how Coolest was at EoD.
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
Faddy seems to be playing oddly irrc. Hasn’t made his presence felt like he did in got. There he controlled discussion leading scumhints etc. I don’t remember him doing much of that today. But it is day 1.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah, there was a part towards EoD where Faddy made like 15 posts that were all just either fluff or pointless speculation about Coolest, and I was wondering what was up with that, and then he finally dropped another read list and I felt a bit better, but it also felt like he realized he was posting a bunch of nothing and might get called out.
But yeah, there were other times where I was wondering why he wasn't posting as much. He ended the day with over 70 posts, but like I said, he did fill that in with a lot of pointless stuff which isn't really normal for him I feel like?
I'd still say he's probably Town here. It would be really bold of him to bus ET like that. He did kind of waffle a bit at the end about wanting Coolest too, but he never switched his vote.
But yeah, there were other times where I was wondering why he wasn't posting as much. He ended the day with over 70 posts, but like I said, he did fill that in with a lot of pointless stuff which isn't really normal for him I feel like?
I'd still say he's probably Town here. It would be really bold of him to bus ET like that. He did kind of waffle a bit at the end about wanting Coolest too, but he never switched his vote.
EzekelRAGE
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Yea. I felt the same. It’s part of the reason I suspected et and grizzly. They made a point of mentioning the shrug too much for my liking. Funny thing is I was telling the truth about why I was doing the interesting and lol posts. I really didn’t have time and used those as bookmarks. The shrug thing I do to acknowledge I see the post and I feel w/e about it or don’t care to go further about it.
EzekelRAGE
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Kalor - his mistake vote for coolest.
How I read that - scum kalor
Seems et and cs were close. Looked like he prepared a vote post for cs in case et could be saved. His reasoning for not voting grizzly could be applied to et. He voted et an hour b4 deadline with a weak/parrotish explanation. Reads like possible bussing.
Also when he took back his vote from cs, he said he “didn’t want to vote him yet.” 30 minutes left in the day. When did he plan to vote him?
How I read that - scum kalor
Seems et and cs were close. Looked like he prepared a vote post for cs in case et could be saved. His reasoning for not voting grizzly could be applied to et. He voted et an hour b4 deadline with a weak/parrotish explanation. Reads like possible bussing.
Also when he took back his vote from cs, he said he “didn’t want to vote him yet.” 30 minutes left in the day. When did he plan to vote him?
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
Conspiracy Rage - what if scum is in control of this chat.
*shrug*
*shrug*
EzekelRAGE
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Assuming fant isn’t scum/lying.
Why would I be chosen?
With how many ppl commented about me playing different/weird I can see someone targeting me.
Fantomas
Idk. Was a bigger voice day 1. Led discussion etc.
Why would I be chosen?
With how many ppl commented about me playing different/weird I can see someone targeting me.
Fantomas
Idk. Was a bigger voice day 1. Led discussion etc.
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
Gonna grab some sleep. I start driving at 3 in the morning. Should be finished at around 12-3pm cst. Will reread game thread 2mrw evening.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah I just reread the last 12 hours of D1 or so (I'll post my full thoughts next) and that one stuck out to me. I like that read on it a lot. I could totally see him having that vote prepared to save ET if he had to use it. Maybe he had another post he was going to make, but hit reply on the wrong tab, and then had to bullshit his way out of it with an "Oops!"
I also had a light scum read on him at one point during the day too I think, I remember saying something about how he was just kind of lurking in the shadows and commenting just enough to seem like he was engaged. It reminded me of Meatwad in GoT a bit.
It crossed my mind, but I'm struggling to think of what benefit they would get from this. Either a Scum player is able to read what we write in here, or one of us is Scum and invited the other. I don't see how the former benefits the Scum team ultimately, and just looking at how things played out when we first got in here, and the timing of our posts, I don't think you're a Scum player inviting me here either.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Ok, first up is Stuart. I went and looked through a lot of his posts, and I really do think there are some signs pointing to him being Scum here. I'll quote/link a bunch of posts here that stuck out in the context of ET being Scum, as well as just some small things I noticed too:
https://www.resetera.com/posts/15013814/
https://www.resetera.com/posts/15033785/
https://www.resetera.com/posts/15034973/
https://www.resetera.com/posts/15035504/
Anyways, I'm going to fast forward now, there are so many scummy posts actually lol.
Here is him defending ET at every chance he could get and trying to make people vote CS instead. Just constantly asking people why they wanted ET, never asking why people wanted someone other than ET though.
Sure, there's the chance that he was just reading the situation wrong and thought ET was Town and that CS was Scum. I'll accept that. But in this case, that honestly feels like it would be more of a coincidence than the alternative, which is that he was trying to defend his Scum partner.
That took a lot longer than I thought it was going to lol. I'll get back with more stuff later though.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/15013814/
Here is him asking me why I'm scum reading ET the most out of everyone. I had also thrown out your name in the same post as a dark horse scum pick, since that was when all you had posted was your intro about being the tunnel guy and nothing else. Notice how he dismisses ET right away and tries to get me to look at you? It didn't work on me, but watch how many more times he tries to do this in later posts when ET becomes a lynch train.Stuart444 said:
https://www.resetera.com/posts/15033785/
He says this right before he starts to do nothing but scum-read you for the rest of the game? Like, I had the same thought eventually, "This feels like the Town-Zeke I've seen play Mafia before" but you know what I didn't do once? Scum read you, because this feels like the Town-Zeke I've seen play Mafia before.Stuart444 said:
https://www.resetera.com/posts/15034973/
Here, Faddy pokes Stuart slightly, wondering about where he is at in the game since he seems to be reacting to things too much. Stuart's reaction? Uhhhhh... I mean, Faddy didn't vote for him, he didn't say he was Scum, he later reiterated he just wanted some more reads out of him. But what does Stu do? Basically freaks out, goes on the defensive hard, and then right after that he makes a post about how he knows he's being pre-emptively defensive and we're all supposed to be ok with that for some reason. So weird.Stuart444 said:
https://www.resetera.com/posts/15035504/
Here he responds to Z-Beat saying he seems jumpier than he was in KH. And once again, he gets really self-conscious about how people are viewing him. This is a red flag to me, because as Scum in my last game, I was very self-conscious about what people thought about me. Town players don't act like that in my experience, they aren't quite as worried about how they are viewed by the thread at large because they know they are Town and they can do their best to convince people of that even if one or two minor things might look suspicious against them.Stuart444 said:
Anyways, I'm going to fast forward now, there are so many scummy posts actually lol.
Here is him defending ET at every chance he could get and trying to make people vote CS instead. Just constantly asking people why they wanted ET, never asking why people wanted someone other than ET though.
Stuart444 said:
Stuart444 said:
This is the only time he said he would vote for ET, and it was under the specific circumstance that he was the one who had to break a tie between Grizzly and ET. But he also adds that if there were a tie he had to break between CS and ET, he would go CS.Stuart444 said:
Stuart444 said:
Is it just me, or is he almost making it sound like ET is a new player here? He doesn't blame him for not scum reading people, because it's D1 and D1 is hard? Oh, well, too bad literally every other player in the game was able to make at least one scum read on D1 because, guess what, we've all played Mafia before.Stuart444 said:
I especially love this one about "the benefit of the doubt". Apparently it only extends to ET lol.Stuart444 said:
Here he's responding to Faddy saying he is tempted to vote CS. Basically just begging people to move off ET and on to CS for the sole reason of CS being there and ET not being there. And he does it again a moment later.Stuart444 said:
Stuart444 said:
Stuart444 said:
He tried to start throwing shade at people joining the ET lynch eventually haha.Stuart444 said:
Stuart444 said:
This was in response to Gir's vote on ET, which he provided a link to his read list to justify it to Stu when he asked him why ET over CS. Stu's response? Doesn't give a shit about the scum read that Gir had down for ET, is only concerned that Gir didn't have a read down for CS and assumes this is why he wants ET instead? Weird post.Stuart444 said:
Stuart444 said:
And that wraps it up. So yeah, that was about 14 EoD posts either directly questioning people about why they were voting for ET, or trying to get people to see CS as the better choice over ET.Stuart444 said:
Sure, there's the chance that he was just reading the situation wrong and thought ET was Town and that CS was Scum. I'll accept that. But in this case, that honestly feels like it would be more of a coincidence than the alternative, which is that he was trying to defend his Scum partner.
That took a lot longer than I thought it was going to lol. I'll get back with more stuff later though.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Ok, here's a read list with some thoughts based on reading back on a lot of D1 now (god damn that was honestly a really productive D1).
Scummy:
Stuart444 - See above.
Kalor - Definition of a lurker. There's been a few times where he popped in at spots where it was like, dude, you haven't made a post in hours but suddenly you are like right in the middle of this conversation? Lurk more.
Gorlak - Some of his pushes have felt really fake, and he's backed down from them. Also, he's aggressive, but not in the way that FlatEarthPandas was when he was Town in GoT, he reminds me more of Scum Brazil in Kingdom Hearts.
Slightly Scummy:
Grizzly - He wasn't around a whole lot, and he did feel kind of apologetic, so I don't want to be too rough on him. However, there were some posts that felt scummy, so I can't just let it past.
empressdonna - There were some posts later in the day that made me feel better about her, but there are enough things I feel like I could point to that make her seem scummy to me still.
gir - My #SickRead about his post about melon's and my avatar aside, there's been some odd stuff from him. He went ET in the end today, and he had a scum read on him before, but I've never played with this guy, and I could see him being a good scum player, so I have my eye on him.
Null:
absolutbro - Didn't get much out of him on D1. Looking forward to hearing more.
Alexem - Could make a case either way probably. He's had some decent towny thoughts, but some suspect posts here and there too.
melonrabbit - Same goes for Melon. Seems generally like Town-Melon at times, but I don't want to give her too much town-cred. She went CS in the end, and waited to vote for a while, so I have to account for that.
Giant Panda - Also chose to vote for CS, even though he told me he agreed with my meta read on ET and that he wasn't a bad choice. Seems like he's setting himself up to be able to get a pass for not voting for him maybe. Otherwise though, he was on to Stu early, so I have good thoughts too.
DCPat - There were a couple posts he made that reminded me of my scum-mate from last game, Ketkat. However, as time went on, I never got those feelings again, so he's mainly just null now.
Slightly Towny:
Z-Beat - Spectated him in KH where he was Town and he seems the same for the most part. Also, I'm friends with him outside the game, so just on a higher-level meta read, he doesn't feel fake, it feels like the Z-Beat I know.
Sophia - I hesitate on this because she went CS and was kind of weird at times about ET. However, she was my mentor in my first game, she literally taught me how to play the game, and from what I can tell, she is basically doing the things she taught me to do as Town, so I have trouble scum reading her intentions.
EzekelRAGE - Like I've said, it's mainly a meta thing. You're doing your thing that I've seen you do before for the most part. And just from the talk in here now, you're definitely out of the Null list and leaning in the Town direction. Wouldn't be shocked if you turned out to be a Neutral, but I don't see you as Mafia though.
B-Dubs - Yeah, I have the Slip™ read on him, and I'll stand by that as being a possible slip unless he dies and proves me otherwise. But, content of his posts following all of that felt good to me for the most part. He also voted ET, and it didn't feel bussy, he did it early enough that he could have easily voted elsewhere still if he were his team-mate.
CoolestSpot - As I said in the game thread, this all felt like a typical Town-CS gambit that almost hurt us, but luckily we got Scum-ET with the lynch in the end instead. Hopefully he can continue to be a source of comic relief but also settle down with the gambits so people don't get too distracted by trying to read him.
Towny:
nin - I love Nin in this game so far. If he's Scum it will break my heart. He was calling ET out way back when I was, even before, so his feelings were always known on him, and he always put him in his scum list. He seemed to be on to Grizz, and I'd imagine if Grizz was around more he would have stuck to that. I don't read too much into him picking CS over ET, he truly seemed fine with either.
turmoil7 - Reading through the thread, this guy is just Town as fuck to me honestly. I don't see how anyone could scum read him.
Faddy - Overall, I don't think a Scum-Faddy would be able to pull off a bus job on ET like that for so long without ever moving his vote. Me and him had the longest standing votes on ET and rallied the shit out of people to come aboard that train. He's Town.
Scummy:
Stuart444 - See above.
Kalor - Definition of a lurker. There's been a few times where he popped in at spots where it was like, dude, you haven't made a post in hours but suddenly you are like right in the middle of this conversation? Lurk more.
Gorlak - Some of his pushes have felt really fake, and he's backed down from them. Also, he's aggressive, but not in the way that FlatEarthPandas was when he was Town in GoT, he reminds me more of Scum Brazil in Kingdom Hearts.
Slightly Scummy:
Grizzly - He wasn't around a whole lot, and he did feel kind of apologetic, so I don't want to be too rough on him. However, there were some posts that felt scummy, so I can't just let it past.
empressdonna - There were some posts later in the day that made me feel better about her, but there are enough things I feel like I could point to that make her seem scummy to me still.
gir - My #SickRead about his post about melon's and my avatar aside, there's been some odd stuff from him. He went ET in the end today, and he had a scum read on him before, but I've never played with this guy, and I could see him being a good scum player, so I have my eye on him.
Null:
absolutbro - Didn't get much out of him on D1. Looking forward to hearing more.
Alexem - Could make a case either way probably. He's had some decent towny thoughts, but some suspect posts here and there too.
melonrabbit - Same goes for Melon. Seems generally like Town-Melon at times, but I don't want to give her too much town-cred. She went CS in the end, and waited to vote for a while, so I have to account for that.
Giant Panda - Also chose to vote for CS, even though he told me he agreed with my meta read on ET and that he wasn't a bad choice. Seems like he's setting himself up to be able to get a pass for not voting for him maybe. Otherwise though, he was on to Stu early, so I have good thoughts too.
DCPat - There were a couple posts he made that reminded me of my scum-mate from last game, Ketkat. However, as time went on, I never got those feelings again, so he's mainly just null now.
Slightly Towny:
Z-Beat - Spectated him in KH where he was Town and he seems the same for the most part. Also, I'm friends with him outside the game, so just on a higher-level meta read, he doesn't feel fake, it feels like the Z-Beat I know.
Sophia - I hesitate on this because she went CS and was kind of weird at times about ET. However, she was my mentor in my first game, she literally taught me how to play the game, and from what I can tell, she is basically doing the things she taught me to do as Town, so I have trouble scum reading her intentions.
EzekelRAGE - Like I've said, it's mainly a meta thing. You're doing your thing that I've seen you do before for the most part. And just from the talk in here now, you're definitely out of the Null list and leaning in the Town direction. Wouldn't be shocked if you turned out to be a Neutral, but I don't see you as Mafia though.
B-Dubs - Yeah, I have the Slip™ read on him, and I'll stand by that as being a possible slip unless he dies and proves me otherwise. But, content of his posts following all of that felt good to me for the most part. He also voted ET, and it didn't feel bussy, he did it early enough that he could have easily voted elsewhere still if he were his team-mate.
CoolestSpot - As I said in the game thread, this all felt like a typical Town-CS gambit that almost hurt us, but luckily we got Scum-ET with the lynch in the end instead. Hopefully he can continue to be a source of comic relief but also settle down with the gambits so people don't get too distracted by trying to read him.
Towny:
nin - I love Nin in this game so far. If he's Scum it will break my heart. He was calling ET out way back when I was, even before, so his feelings were always known on him, and he always put him in his scum list. He seemed to be on to Grizz, and I'd imagine if Grizz was around more he would have stuck to that. I don't read too much into him picking CS over ET, he truly seemed fine with either.
turmoil7 - Reading through the thread, this guy is just Town as fuck to me honestly. I don't see how anyone could scum read him.
Faddy - Overall, I don't think a Scum-Faddy would be able to pull off a bus job on ET like that for so long without ever moving his vote. Me and him had the longest standing votes on ET and rallied the shit out of people to come aboard that train. He's Town.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Also, I suppose we'll want to claim this chat in the game thread on D2. I'll probably just go ahead and talk about it in my first post when the day starts. I can't think of a reason to keep this a secret. If the person who's power it is needs to claim, I'm guessing they make their selections during the day, so obviously they can just say who they picked and then those players will have their chat at night and be able to confirm the next day.
I'm heading to bed now though. Will try to look more in to the scummiest players that I listed above some time tomorrow.
I'm heading to bed now though. Will try to look more in to the scummiest players that I listed above some time tomorrow.
EzekelRAGE
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On lunch break. I like your reads.
Not feeling claiming. Gives scum more info of prs. Telling town that a chat exists doesn’t help them that much.
I may be overthinking it.
Not feeling claiming. Gives scum more info of prs. Telling town that a chat exists doesn’t help them that much.
I may be overthinking it.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
True. I guess we can try breaking it down to pros and cons.
Pros:
Town learns of the existence of the chat/PR.
We can reveal what we discussed and our reads on each other based on our chat.
Allows the PR to easily claim and clear themself by the next day if they are ever up for a lynch.
Cons:
The existence of the chat isn't that important.
We can still bring forward everything we discussed, and read each other without revealing the nature of a Town PR.
Gives Scum info about a Town PR.
I'd still lean towards the claim being better for Town I guess? The PR isn't that big of a deal to Town, true, but I also feel like it isn't that big of a deal to Scum either. In my last game, there was a Town Gossip who claimed pretty early, and on the Scum Team we really didn't give a shit about him. It was a Role Madness game, yes, but still, a night chat between 2 Townies was the least of our worries, we were more concerned with finding and shooting a Doctor/Cop early on.
Pros:
Town learns of the existence of the chat/PR.
We can reveal what we discussed and our reads on each other based on our chat.
Allows the PR to easily claim and clear themself by the next day if they are ever up for a lynch.
Cons:
The existence of the chat isn't that important.
We can still bring forward everything we discussed, and read each other without revealing the nature of a Town PR.
Gives Scum info about a Town PR.
I'd still lean towards the claim being better for Town I guess? The PR isn't that big of a deal to Town, true, but I also feel like it isn't that big of a deal to Scum either. In my last game, there was a Town Gossip who claimed pretty early, and on the Scum Team we really didn't give a shit about him. It was a Role Madness game, yes, but still, a night chat between 2 Townies was the least of our worries, we were more concerned with finding and shooting a Doctor/Cop early on.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Just had a look over Gorlak's posts in the thread, and man I am really feeling good about that Scum read still.
That whole thing about him with B-Dubs? He's all like "Oh, Faddy, Fantomas, the easy D1 Town Reads, please, join me voting for B-Dubs after he has already come back and responded to the slip to see if we can pressure him and read him!" What the fuck was that?
His fake push on Faddy was probably the weakest thing he did. He had a post where he was like "The last time he was this dense was the derail against Sorian" which was in my last game where I got those two to scum-read each other into oblivion. The problem with Gorlak's post there though? Both Faddy and Sorian were Town, so saying this is reminding him of Faddy vs. Sorian is saying Faddy seems Town, not Scum. He got mislynched because people incorrectly read his denseness as scumminess.
And then he had that post where he was like "Zeke are you drunk?" and then when you called that out as being a shitty post, he's all like "Well you're playing weird so I just wanted to call it out" which is weak as fuck.
And of course he wanted to test the waters on me a couple different times since he knew I was Scum last time and played a pretty solid D1 for the most part, but no one was going with it, and he looked like shit when I called his weak reads on me out.
And then he drops his final vote on Grizz for the day and never comes back? Bullshit. He was watching and decided not to join the train so people couldn't read his D1 vote and he can just go "Well, I wasn't around, and I still think Grizz is scummy you guys."
That whole thing about him with B-Dubs? He's all like "Oh, Faddy, Fantomas, the easy D1 Town Reads, please, join me voting for B-Dubs after he has already come back and responded to the slip to see if we can pressure him and read him!" What the fuck was that?
His fake push on Faddy was probably the weakest thing he did. He had a post where he was like "The last time he was this dense was the derail against Sorian" which was in my last game where I got those two to scum-read each other into oblivion. The problem with Gorlak's post there though? Both Faddy and Sorian were Town, so saying this is reminding him of Faddy vs. Sorian is saying Faddy seems Town, not Scum. He got mislynched because people incorrectly read his denseness as scumminess.
And then he had that post where he was like "Zeke are you drunk?" and then when you called that out as being a shitty post, he's all like "Well you're playing weird so I just wanted to call it out" which is weak as fuck.
And of course he wanted to test the waters on me a couple different times since he knew I was Scum last time and played a pretty solid D1 for the most part, but no one was going with it, and he looked like shit when I called his weak reads on me out.
And then he drops his final vote on Grizz for the day and never comes back? Bullshit. He was watching and decided not to join the train so people couldn't read his D1 vote and he can just go "Well, I wasn't around, and I still think Grizz is scummy you guys."
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Man, I was just looking back on you again just to see if I could get a feel for where you were at (and to double check and make sure I was right in my read so far just to be honest) and man, this post you made in response to Gorlak? I didn't even see this at the time, but me and you both have that same "This is like Scum Brazil" read on him lol. I love it.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/15047773/
https://www.resetera.com/posts/15047773/
EzekelRAGE said:
EzekelRAGE
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Gorlak - yep. Brazil did the same thing with me day one. I tried to drop the no lynch thing because I knew it would be a waste. Brazil kept egging me on, imo. And what usually happens, happened. Ppl read my argument with a more defensive/reactive/aggressive tone while the person im arguing against gets slightly more townread because they argue better/friendlier tone. I scumread Brazil day 1 due to that but no one followed.
I feel like gorlak trying so hard to argue with me mimics that.
Reveal - like I said I could be overthinking revealing the chat. Reveal could be the right move.
Done driving. Will reread the game thread a a time or two again and post my thoughts. Can get on laptop know so should be a bit easier.
I feel like gorlak trying so hard to argue with me mimics that.
Reveal - like I said I could be overthinking revealing the chat. Reveal could be the right move.
Done driving. Will reread the game thread a a time or two again and post my thoughts. Can get on laptop know so should be a bit easier.
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
For instance, can you tell use if the chat is permanent or if it will close after the night phase?
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah, good question. It would be kind of interesting if we just had access to this thread for the rest of the game now.
Just found this interesting role on the MafiaWiki as well. Hmmmmmmm.....
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighborizer
Just found this interesting role on the MafiaWiki as well. Hmmmmmmm.....
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighborizer
Fanto
Confirmed Town
To be clear, this would be a modded version of that role, where the Neighborizer isn't participating in the chat but can choose people to put in the neighborhood. I would imagine it would be a one-shot ability in this case if that is what's going on here. Otherwise it must be a modded Gossip or Jailer role, that's the only other thing I could think of probably.
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My pm didn’t say anything about the chat ending. So could be possible it’s permanent.
Thoughts on posts 829 and 871 from Donna?
I can be a stickler for how things are framed so I didn’t care for how she framed me in that post. But I’m biased since I didn’t feel reactionary. I understand her thinking my early posts were weird.
There is also the issue of her promising some reads and never delivering for one reason or another.
Thoughts on posts 829 and 871 from Donna?
I can be a stickler for how things are framed so I didn’t care for how she framed me in that post. But I’m biased since I didn’t feel reactionary. I understand her thinking my early posts were weird.
There is also the issue of her promising some reads and never delivering for one reason or another.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
On mobile, over at a friends house. Will check in here and there though.
Those posts are definitely sketchy ones from Donna. She did the same thing I saw from Stu, where she admits you're similar to your Town self, but still scum reads you. Also she's doing more of the weird waffling she did with Nin before that I had noted.
Also yeah, to go back again to my last game as Scum, my partner Ketkat did that a couple times where she would promise an EoD read list, then never come through. I give Donna some leeway because the forum genuinely was acting up, but both me and Faddy off the top of my head still dropped lists during that.
Those posts are definitely sketchy ones from Donna. She did the same thing I saw from Stu, where she admits you're similar to your Town self, but still scum reads you. Also she's doing more of the weird waffling she did with Nin before that I had noted.
Also yeah, to go back again to my last game as Scum, my partner Ketkat did that a couple times where she would promise an EoD read list, then never come through. I give Donna some leeway because the forum genuinely was acting up, but both me and Faddy off the top of my head still dropped lists during that.
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Yea. She doesn’t want to vote cs. And doesn’t really wanna choose between grizz/et. Says she would reluctantly vote et, but doesn’t when given the chance.
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ET Interactions/Comments I Found Interesting -
-ET tries to defend the B-dubs Slip Theory, siding with B dubs #280
-Grizzly views ET votes/voters as useless. Says ET's fluffiness is just as comparable to others # 367
- B-Dubs seems to be defending ET against ppl saying ET is doing busywork. # 391
- ET questions ppl's suspicions of Donna #762
- Some posts from Stuart that look like they are trying to help ET. Im probably missing some.
#753 #924 #936 #941 #953 #964 #983 #985 #994
-ET tries to defend the B-dubs Slip Theory, siding with B dubs #280
-Grizzly views ET votes/voters as useless. Says ET's fluffiness is just as comparable to others # 367
- B-Dubs seems to be defending ET against ppl saying ET is doing busywork. # 391
- ET questions ppl's suspicions of Donna #762
- Some posts from Stuart that look like they are trying to help ET. Im probably missing some.
#753 #924 #936 #941 #953 #964 #983 #985 #994
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using mobile for laptop and its goin slow. So had to list posts i referred to as numbers instead of linking them. Ordering my reads now.
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Stuart/ET/Bdubs didnt mind the filler post chat when game started.
Scum (Ordered from most to least)
Stuart - My strongest scum read.
-- Does a lot of "premptive" explaining for actions
-----#538 Contradicts this stance above. Feels Fady caught him off guard with the question. Now he wants to see ppl's response?
--Take a hardline on GP and says its coasting, same could be said about ET #889
--Afraid to be looked at as scummy for unvoting. #305.
--Dismisses a lot of ppls scum reads on him with "it's how I play"
--Questions Gorlak's push on Bdubs #455(Noted because I scumread Dubs)
--Defensive post #526. He cleans up defensiveness of it 2 posts later.
-- Various posts that can be argued looks like he is trying to save ET.
Sophia - Did call ET out on the filler talk. But also ended up switching her vote off ET and onto CS to tie it EOD.
- I dont like how she switched off of ET to vote CS. Seems she reluctantly voted ET in the first place
-Says she will switch back to ET only if it is tied and only 15min before deadline #981
-Questions Gorlak on why he is pressuring Bdubs #421
Bdubs - Response to Slip theory was odd/overreaction. Especially bringing up a prior game.
--Says I have to obviously be scum. #440 But doesnt vote me.
- B-Dubs seems to be defending ET against ppl saying ET is doing busywork. # 391
Melonrabbit - Seems fluffy. Voted for Cs when she mentions she wouldnt. Mentions she would vote ET
--#880
Kalor- his mistake vote for coolest.
--How I read that - scum kalor
Seems et and cs were close. Looked like he prepared a vote post for cs in case et could be saved. His reasoning for not voting grizzly could be applied to et. He voted et an hour b4 deadline with a weak/parrotish explanation. Reads like possible bussing.
Also when he took back his vote from cs, he said he “didn’t want to vote him yet.” 30 minutes left in the day. When did he plan to vote him?
-- Manages to pop in right when Fant mentions I could be a PR.
-- Vote slip?
Null/Slight reads
Empressdonna - Low posting. Never gave promised read list. Misrepresented my interactions. Seems to be background.
Absoultbro - Not much to really go on Null
- Voted CS an hour before deadline
Gorlak - Rereading the Bdubs thing. I understand what he meant now. He saw how Bdubs seemingly cracked and decided applying more pressure with votes would yield results. The way he worded it just threw me off. Especially since I didnt see his vote and I had skimmed that post as well. That leads me to understanding him hounding me about discussing my read of the situation a bit more. Which moves him to nullish for me.
Alexem - Seems meh. Seems on the fence and a couple of his posts feel parroty. Slight scum
--Sorta defends stuart #590
-- Hesitate to vote ET, 2 hours before deadline #930
Turmoil - I like the posts slight town lean.
Grizzly - #356 Analysis of my shrug - seems like busywork Slight scumlean, but bear was busy during day phase.
-After Gir calls him out on his AB post/vote being busywork, Grizzly easily backs off of AB after a posts AB didnt really say much. #368
-Grizzly views ET votes/voters as useless. Says ET's fluffiness is just as comparable to others # 367
Town (Ordered from most to least)
Nin - I like how he went about things. Gambit was w/e. Pushed ppl for opinions and to be apart of discussions.
- Wanted more game talk earlier from stu/et/dubs
- Was one of first for ET
Fantomas Felt townie to me with how he handled the day. Pushing for info, leading discussion etc. Only problem was the PR discussion in regards to my posting. Currently dont see that has a big issue.
Faddy - Slight town lean. Posting is odd though. Seems to lack presence but has some posts I like.
- I do like how faddy called out Stu #523
-- Implies that since im not tunneling, I may be scum #537. Doesnt reply when i ask what he means.
Gir - #274 Him drawing attention to his post count and comparing it to his scum coasting previously.
--Did call ET out on fluff, but could be argued he followed Fant/Sophia in doing so.
Scum (Ordered from most to least)
Stuart - My strongest scum read.
-- Does a lot of "premptive" explaining for actions
-----#538 Contradicts this stance above. Feels Fady caught him off guard with the question. Now he wants to see ppl's response?
--Take a hardline on GP and says its coasting, same could be said about ET #889
--Afraid to be looked at as scummy for unvoting. #305.
--Dismisses a lot of ppls scum reads on him with "it's how I play"
--Questions Gorlak's push on Bdubs #455(Noted because I scumread Dubs)
--Defensive post #526. He cleans up defensiveness of it 2 posts later.
-- Various posts that can be argued looks like he is trying to save ET.
Sophia - Did call ET out on the filler talk. But also ended up switching her vote off ET and onto CS to tie it EOD.
- I dont like how she switched off of ET to vote CS. Seems she reluctantly voted ET in the first place
-Says she will switch back to ET only if it is tied and only 15min before deadline #981
-Questions Gorlak on why he is pressuring Bdubs #421
Bdubs - Response to Slip theory was odd/overreaction. Especially bringing up a prior game.
--Says I have to obviously be scum. #440 But doesnt vote me.
- B-Dubs seems to be defending ET against ppl saying ET is doing busywork. # 391
Melonrabbit - Seems fluffy. Voted for Cs when she mentions she wouldnt. Mentions she would vote ET
--#880
Kalor- his mistake vote for coolest.
--How I read that - scum kalor
Seems et and cs were close. Looked like he prepared a vote post for cs in case et could be saved. His reasoning for not voting grizzly could be applied to et. He voted et an hour b4 deadline with a weak/parrotish explanation. Reads like possible bussing.
Also when he took back his vote from cs, he said he “didn’t want to vote him yet.” 30 minutes left in the day. When did he plan to vote him?
-- Manages to pop in right when Fant mentions I could be a PR.
-- Vote slip?
Null/Slight reads
Empressdonna - Low posting. Never gave promised read list. Misrepresented my interactions. Seems to be background.
Absoultbro - Not much to really go on Null
- Voted CS an hour before deadline
Gorlak - Rereading the Bdubs thing. I understand what he meant now. He saw how Bdubs seemingly cracked and decided applying more pressure with votes would yield results. The way he worded it just threw me off. Especially since I didnt see his vote and I had skimmed that post as well. That leads me to understanding him hounding me about discussing my read of the situation a bit more. Which moves him to nullish for me.
Alexem - Seems meh. Seems on the fence and a couple of his posts feel parroty. Slight scum
--Sorta defends stuart #590
-- Hesitate to vote ET, 2 hours before deadline #930
Turmoil - I like the posts slight town lean.
Grizzly - #356 Analysis of my shrug - seems like busywork Slight scumlean, but bear was busy during day phase.
-After Gir calls him out on his AB post/vote being busywork, Grizzly easily backs off of AB after a posts AB didnt really say much. #368
-Grizzly views ET votes/voters as useless. Says ET's fluffiness is just as comparable to others # 367
Town (Ordered from most to least)
Nin - I like how he went about things. Gambit was w/e. Pushed ppl for opinions and to be apart of discussions.
- Wanted more game talk earlier from stu/et/dubs
- Was one of first for ET
Fantomas Felt townie to me with how he handled the day. Pushing for info, leading discussion etc. Only problem was the PR discussion in regards to my posting. Currently dont see that has a big issue.
Faddy - Slight town lean. Posting is odd though. Seems to lack presence but has some posts I like.
- I do like how faddy called out Stu #523
-- Implies that since im not tunneling, I may be scum #537. Doesnt reply when i ask what he means.
Gir - #274 Him drawing attention to his post count and comparing it to his scum coasting previously.
--Did call ET out on fluff, but could be argued he followed Fant/Sophia in doing so.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
One thing about Melon that sticks out was her response to my post about Gir and the avatar mix up thing in his read list.
Then I asked for her thoughts on the actual read I have on Gir from that, and not just the part about her.
This is a weird post when combined with her first one I think. It almost feels like her reaction is that she knows I'm wrong about Gir being Scum for that, but I am right about her, it's just that this isn't a reason to be scum reading her since she isn't partners with Gir. It reminds me of when Faddy would scum read Dr. Monkey for some ridiculous reason in GoT that wasn't actually pointing to her being Mafia, but she was, so she would get really annoyed by it.
Also, she ends that second post by first throwing shade at me for reaching with my #SickRead attempts, as if I didn't have other more legit reads going on all day too, then pivots the conversation to CS, the elephant in the room who everyone else was talking about already.
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As for your points on ET above:
#280 - Yeah, but then he also casts some doubt on him by bringing up his fluffy Brexit posts too. I felt like since he knew I was scum reading him for fluff, he wanted to draw attention to the B-Dubs fluff too.
#367 - Good catch. Definitely another mark against Grizz here in my book.
#391 - True, but Dubs still did vote for ET in the end, and as I noted earlier, it came at a time where he easily could have voted CS instead to protect ET if he were his teammate.
#762 - Noticed that too, since I responded to it in the game with my read on Donna. I'm not sure if ET would try to cast a light on a different teammate of his at a time like that or not. He did bus Meatwad in GoT, but it was a reluctant bus where he basically had to do it for the town-cred boost that late in the game.
Stuart Posts - Yep, I quoted most if not all of those above in my read on him too. They stick out like a sore thumb now that we know ET was Scum. That's probably the single biggest point against Stu I'd say are his flurry of defense posts for ET at EoD.
This was her initial reaction. #788
Then I asked for her thoughts on the actual read I have on Gir from that, and not just the part about her.
#798
This is a weird post when combined with her first one I think. It almost feels like her reaction is that she knows I'm wrong about Gir being Scum for that, but I am right about her, it's just that this isn't a reason to be scum reading her since she isn't partners with Gir. It reminds me of when Faddy would scum read Dr. Monkey for some ridiculous reason in GoT that wasn't actually pointing to her being Mafia, but she was, so she would get really annoyed by it.
Also, she ends that second post by first throwing shade at me for reaching with my #SickRead attempts, as if I didn't have other more legit reads going on all day too, then pivots the conversation to CS, the elephant in the room who everyone else was talking about already.
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As for your points on ET above:
#280 - Yeah, but then he also casts some doubt on him by bringing up his fluffy Brexit posts too. I felt like since he knew I was scum reading him for fluff, he wanted to draw attention to the B-Dubs fluff too.
#367 - Good catch. Definitely another mark against Grizz here in my book.
#391 - True, but Dubs still did vote for ET in the end, and as I noted earlier, it came at a time where he easily could have voted CS instead to protect ET if he were his teammate.
#762 - Noticed that too, since I responded to it in the game with my read on Donna. I'm not sure if ET would try to cast a light on a different teammate of his at a time like that or not. He did bus Meatwad in GoT, but it was a reluctant bus where he basically had to do it for the town-cred boost that late in the game.
Stuart Posts - Yep, I quoted most if not all of those above in my read on him too. They stick out like a sore thumb now that we know ET was Scum. That's probably the single biggest point against Stu I'd say are his flurry of defense posts for ET at EoD.
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dc/gp/zb are nullish for me as well.
Anyway, goin to bed, start back driving at 3am. Which is in about 8 hours.
Anyway, goin to bed, start back driving at 3am. Which is in about 8 hours.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I'd still say B-Dubs is a lean town for me, but overall I like that read list a lot. I understand the reservations about Sophia, especially since you've had more direct back-and-forths with her than I have. For me a lot of it does come down to bias with her, I'll admit it. It's tough for me to scum read my mentor lol but I do agree with your points there, and like I said earlier, she was weird about ET towards EoD once he was actually on the chopping block for real.
Decent point about Gorlak, I also just noticed looking back that he called Stu out at one point too, #624.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/15045648/
But he's had some other weird stuff too. What did you think of his push on Faddy? Felt fake to me, he basically let it turn to dust once he got distracted by Sophia's questions. Makes me feel like maybe he was ok with being "distracted" by Sophia's questions. Starts at #567:
https://www.resetera.com/posts/15043403/
Decent point about Gorlak, I also just noticed looking back that he called Stu out at one point too, #624.
https://www.resetera.com/posts/15045648/
But he's had some other weird stuff too. What did you think of his push on Faddy? Felt fake to me, he basically let it turn to dust once he got distracted by Sophia's questions. Makes me feel like maybe he was ok with being "distracted" by Sophia's questions. Starts at #567:
https://www.resetera.com/posts/15043403/
Fanto
Confirmed Town
One last thing for tonight, I wanted to look at just the final votes on ET and CS and who voted when.
Faddy and I started the train on ET early as fuck after we both scum-read him, though I did scum-read him before Faddy, Faddy placed his vote first because I had my prod vote on B-Dubs at the time.
The CS train was started by Donna, and then Sophia added to it a while later to make it a thing.
Turmoil7 then joins the ET train more towards EoD, providing a good reason, pointing out that ET wasn't pushing for anyone before ET himself said he wasn't scum reading anyone. This is a Town As Fuck vote to me.
GP then makes his post about wanting CS gone for his gambit and votes him. I still side-eye that vote for the timing. The vote is now tied between the two, 3-3.
Then B-Dubs joins ET. This is what I meant about him voting ET at a time when he could have easily voted CS instead. B-Dubs put ET in the lead. That's a bold move to bus a teammate with that vote and never switch. B-Dubs is a smart dude, so I could see a world where he decides he has to bus ET early for the town-cred boost, but that seems unlikely to me. 4-3
CS then joins the ET vote. 5-3
Sophia joins by leaving the CS vote. This is when she gets weird about ET though, since she immediately found an out and a way to rejoin the CS vote shortly thereafter. 6-2
Stuart votes CS "because he's here". Yeah, yeah, Stu, we know you're Scum now. 6-3
Z-Beat then gets talked into joining since he showed back up and needed to place his vote. He said he wanted CS, but needed to be told that he wouldn't be the last vote on him due to concerns about Coolest actually telling the truth about being a bomb since he's so unpredictable. 6-4
Sophia now rejoins the CS vote. 5-5
Gir and Alexem then join the ET vote. Stu tries to shade them for it, but it didn't work. 7-5
Kalor joins on ET in a kind of weirdly bussy, scummy way. If Kalor wants to look Town, he needs a vote on ET for now at least. Then of course we've discussed his weird "Oops" vote for CS, but I'll get to that again in a sec. 8-5
Absolutbro says he didn't like how the scales were shifting to ET so quickly, so he voted CS. 8-6
CS then self votes, making it tied at 7-7. I think this is when Kalor typed up his other vote for CS. I would wager that in Scum Chat, they saw that self vote and laughed, thinking they might have a shot still at keeping ET alive if CS did that. Kalor decides to go write up a vote for him that he'll use if he has to in order to shift the tide back to CS. Then, oops.
CS rejoins the ET vote following the Kalor "Oops" vote, putting it at 8-6.
DCPat finally puts his vote down on ET. This is what sealed the deal in the end. 9-6
Melon and Nin then vote CS. Melon for reasons that contradict the post we discussed earlier, and Nin because he said he would be the last vote on him and his hubris is strong in this game. 9-8.
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The main things that stick out to me here after that recap, and now that we know ET was Scum, are:
Faddy and I started the train on ET early as fuck after we both scum-read him, though I did scum-read him before Faddy, Faddy placed his vote first because I had my prod vote on B-Dubs at the time.
The CS train was started by Donna, and then Sophia added to it a while later to make it a thing.
Turmoil7 then joins the ET train more towards EoD, providing a good reason, pointing out that ET wasn't pushing for anyone before ET himself said he wasn't scum reading anyone. This is a Town As Fuck vote to me.
GP then makes his post about wanting CS gone for his gambit and votes him. I still side-eye that vote for the timing. The vote is now tied between the two, 3-3.
Then B-Dubs joins ET. This is what I meant about him voting ET at a time when he could have easily voted CS instead. B-Dubs put ET in the lead. That's a bold move to bus a teammate with that vote and never switch. B-Dubs is a smart dude, so I could see a world where he decides he has to bus ET early for the town-cred boost, but that seems unlikely to me. 4-3
CS then joins the ET vote. 5-3
Sophia joins by leaving the CS vote. This is when she gets weird about ET though, since she immediately found an out and a way to rejoin the CS vote shortly thereafter. 6-2
Stuart votes CS "because he's here". Yeah, yeah, Stu, we know you're Scum now. 6-3
Z-Beat then gets talked into joining since he showed back up and needed to place his vote. He said he wanted CS, but needed to be told that he wouldn't be the last vote on him due to concerns about Coolest actually telling the truth about being a bomb since he's so unpredictable. 6-4
Sophia now rejoins the CS vote. 5-5
Gir and Alexem then join the ET vote. Stu tries to shade them for it, but it didn't work. 7-5
Kalor joins on ET in a kind of weirdly bussy, scummy way. If Kalor wants to look Town, he needs a vote on ET for now at least. Then of course we've discussed his weird "Oops" vote for CS, but I'll get to that again in a sec. 8-5
Absolutbro says he didn't like how the scales were shifting to ET so quickly, so he voted CS. 8-6
CS then self votes, making it tied at 7-7. I think this is when Kalor typed up his other vote for CS. I would wager that in Scum Chat, they saw that self vote and laughed, thinking they might have a shot still at keeping ET alive if CS did that. Kalor decides to go write up a vote for him that he'll use if he has to in order to shift the tide back to CS. Then, oops.
CS rejoins the ET vote following the Kalor "Oops" vote, putting it at 8-6.
DCPat finally puts his vote down on ET. This is what sealed the deal in the end. 9-6
Melon and Nin then vote CS. Melon for reasons that contradict the post we discussed earlier, and Nin because he said he would be the last vote on him and his hubris is strong in this game. 9-8.
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The main things that stick out to me here after that recap, and now that we know ET was Scum, are:
- Turmoil's Town As Fuck vote for ET - He so Town
- The GP vote for CS - Seems possibly Scummy
- The timing of B-Dubs' vote for ET - Looks Towny to me
- Sophia's EoD vote progression of CS -> ET -> CS - Strange
- The Z-Beat vote for CS - Strange
- Alexem's vote for ET, he said earlier he would find it hard to justify in #930 - Strange
- The Kalor "Oops" vote for CS and the timing of when it was probably written - Scummy
- Melon's late vote for CS, which contradicts her earlier post about who she wanted to vote for - Seems Scummy
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Lose access as in can’t view the thread again?
Are we able to copy and paste things from this thread to the game thread?
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6 - yea I noticed that.
I can see multiple scum in Stu-Alex-kalor-melon-Sophia
They are the main ones who have actions/posts that push a scum agenda or does something that contradicts something they posted prior.
Stuart - was there a post he made where he said the preemptive excuse thing he does was intentional since he knew someone would question his action? I may be misremembering it.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Just in case, I did copy/paste your read list into a Word Doc. I figure if Scum does decide to shoot you, then at least I can provide your reads to the thread. Probably wouldn't hurt to do the same with my list if you can.
Yeah, he had a few posts where we said something to that effect. A quick search through the thread and I found these posts, #528, #543, #720:
Stuart444 said:
Stuart444 said:
Stuart444 said:
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On copy and paste - will do. I was more worried about you dying though.
Stuart - ok I thought I was right about. That was one of my main points on scum Stuart and post 538. He wanted to see how ppl responded when daddy called him out, but he has posts/actions not fishing for responses.
cabot
Why.
Yes to the first question, no to the second. Paraphrasing is fine, no direct copy paste.
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Yea
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I wouldn’t have to paraphrase my own posts from this thread correct?
I understand having to paraphrase fantos’ posts.
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Main thing I’m talking about is my read list I posted
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Alright, thanks.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
I slightly re-ordered my reads list, made a few minor changes, and added a few notes based on what we've discussed since I posted my list before. Main thing is moving Melon into my top scum reads, and moving Gorlak into slightly scummy. Also added in my brief reasonings on Stu, but we have the same read on him so you wouldn't need to paraphrase that one really since it's the same as your's.
Scummy:
Stuart444 - His defensive nature is a red flag to me, regardless of whether or not he wants to pre-empt his defensiveness with more defensiveness about how he plays. Also, there were a slew of posts he made at EoD that were just outright defending ET or trying to get people to vote for CS instead. Top Scum read.
Kalor - Definition of a lurker. There's been a few times where he popped in at spots where it was like, dude, you haven't made a post in hours but suddenly you are like right in the middle of this conversation? Also had a weird slip vote for CS, felt like it might have been a vote that was ready to save ET if need be.
melonrabbit – At times she has felt like Town-Melon to me, but her vote is what is really giving me concerns. She said she would have voted ET over Grizz and that she didn’t want CS in post #880. However, when presented with ET vs. CS, she waits, waits, waits, then goes CS. Not a good look to me, pretty scummy vote.
Slightly Scummy:
Gorlak - Some of his pushes have felt really fake, especially on Faddy, and he's backed down from them. Also, he's aggressive, but not in the way that FlatEarthPandas was when he was Town in GoT, he reminds me more of Scum Brazil in Kingdom Hearts.
Grizzly - He wasn't around a whole lot, and he did feel kind of apologetic, so I don't want to be too rough on him. However, there were some posts that felt scummy, so I can't just let it past.
empressdonna - There were some posts later in the day that made me feel better about her, but there are enough things I feel like I could point to that make her seem scummy to me still.
gir - My #SickRead about his post about melon's and my avatar aside, there's been some odd stuff from him. He went ET in the end today, and he had a scum read on him before, but I've never played with this guy, and I could see him being a good scum player, so I have my eye on him.
Null:
absolutbro - Didn't get much out of him on D1. Looking forward to hearing more.
Alexem - Could make a case either way probably. He's had some decent towny thoughts, but some suspect posts here and there too. Said he wanted Grizz over ET because he couldn’t justify a vote on ET in post #930, but then voted ET? Strange.
Giant Panda – The timing on his CS vote was suspect to me. He told me he agreed with my meta read on ET and that he wasn't a bad choice, but kept his vote on CS. Seems like he's setting himself up to be able to get a pass for not voting for him maybe? Otherwise though, he was on to Stu early, so I have good thoughts too.
DCPat - There were a couple posts he made that reminded me of my scum-mate from last game, Ketkat. However, as time went on, I never got those feelings again, so he's mainly just null now. Also voted ET.
Slightly Towny:
Z-Beat - Spectated him in KH where he was Town and he seems the same for the most part. Also, I'm friends with him outside the game, so just on a higher-level meta read, he doesn't feel fake, it feels like the Z-Beat I know.
Sophia - I hesitate on this because she went CS and was kind of weird at times about ET. However, she was my mentor in my first game, she literally taught me how to play the game, and from what I can tell, she is basically doing the things she taught me to do as Town, so I have trouble scum reading her intentions.
EzekelRAGE – It’s mainly a meta thing. He’s doing his thing that I've seen him do before for the most part. And just from the night chat we had, and how he was reading people, he’s definitely leaning in the Town direction pretty good. Wouldn't be shocked if he turned out to be a Neutral, but I don't see him as Mafia though.
B-Dubs - Yeah, I have the Slip™ read on him, and I'll stand by that as being a possible slip unless he dies and proves me otherwise. But, content of his posts following all of that felt good to me for the most part. He also voted ET, and it didn't feel bussy, he did it early enough that he could have easily voted elsewhere still if he were his team-mate.
CoolestSpot - As I said in the game thread, this all felt like a typical Town-CS gambit that almost hurt us, but luckily we got Scum-ET with the lynch in the end instead. Hopefully he can continue to be a source of comic relief but also settle down with the gambits so people don't get too distracted by trying to read him.
Towny:
nin - I love Nin in this game so far. If he's Scum it will break my heart. He was calling ET out way back when I was, even before, so his feelings were always known on him, and he always put him in his scum list. He seemed to be on to Grizz, and I'd imagine if Grizz was around more he would have stuck to that. I don't read too much into him picking CS over ET, he truly seemed fine with either.
turmoil7 - Reading through the thread, this guy is just Town as fuck to me honestly. I don't see how anyone could scum read him. His vote on ET was really good too, called him out for not pushing on anyone, and it was before ET himself admitted that he had no scum reads.
Faddy - Overall, I don't think a Scum-Faddy would be able to pull off a bus job on ET like that for so long without ever moving his vote. Me and him had the longest standing votes on ET and rallied the shit out of people to come aboard that train. He's Town.
Scummy:
Stuart444 - His defensive nature is a red flag to me, regardless of whether or not he wants to pre-empt his defensiveness with more defensiveness about how he plays. Also, there were a slew of posts he made at EoD that were just outright defending ET or trying to get people to vote for CS instead. Top Scum read.
Kalor - Definition of a lurker. There's been a few times where he popped in at spots where it was like, dude, you haven't made a post in hours but suddenly you are like right in the middle of this conversation? Also had a weird slip vote for CS, felt like it might have been a vote that was ready to save ET if need be.
melonrabbit – At times she has felt like Town-Melon to me, but her vote is what is really giving me concerns. She said she would have voted ET over Grizz and that she didn’t want CS in post #880. However, when presented with ET vs. CS, she waits, waits, waits, then goes CS. Not a good look to me, pretty scummy vote.
Slightly Scummy:
Gorlak - Some of his pushes have felt really fake, especially on Faddy, and he's backed down from them. Also, he's aggressive, but not in the way that FlatEarthPandas was when he was Town in GoT, he reminds me more of Scum Brazil in Kingdom Hearts.
Grizzly - He wasn't around a whole lot, and he did feel kind of apologetic, so I don't want to be too rough on him. However, there were some posts that felt scummy, so I can't just let it past.
empressdonna - There were some posts later in the day that made me feel better about her, but there are enough things I feel like I could point to that make her seem scummy to me still.
gir - My #SickRead about his post about melon's and my avatar aside, there's been some odd stuff from him. He went ET in the end today, and he had a scum read on him before, but I've never played with this guy, and I could see him being a good scum player, so I have my eye on him.
Null:
absolutbro - Didn't get much out of him on D1. Looking forward to hearing more.
Alexem - Could make a case either way probably. He's had some decent towny thoughts, but some suspect posts here and there too. Said he wanted Grizz over ET because he couldn’t justify a vote on ET in post #930, but then voted ET? Strange.
Giant Panda – The timing on his CS vote was suspect to me. He told me he agreed with my meta read on ET and that he wasn't a bad choice, but kept his vote on CS. Seems like he's setting himself up to be able to get a pass for not voting for him maybe? Otherwise though, he was on to Stu early, so I have good thoughts too.
DCPat - There were a couple posts he made that reminded me of my scum-mate from last game, Ketkat. However, as time went on, I never got those feelings again, so he's mainly just null now. Also voted ET.
Slightly Towny:
Z-Beat - Spectated him in KH where he was Town and he seems the same for the most part. Also, I'm friends with him outside the game, so just on a higher-level meta read, he doesn't feel fake, it feels like the Z-Beat I know.
Sophia - I hesitate on this because she went CS and was kind of weird at times about ET. However, she was my mentor in my first game, she literally taught me how to play the game, and from what I can tell, she is basically doing the things she taught me to do as Town, so I have trouble scum reading her intentions.
EzekelRAGE – It’s mainly a meta thing. He’s doing his thing that I've seen him do before for the most part. And just from the night chat we had, and how he was reading people, he’s definitely leaning in the Town direction pretty good. Wouldn't be shocked if he turned out to be a Neutral, but I don't see him as Mafia though.
B-Dubs - Yeah, I have the Slip™ read on him, and I'll stand by that as being a possible slip unless he dies and proves me otherwise. But, content of his posts following all of that felt good to me for the most part. He also voted ET, and it didn't feel bussy, he did it early enough that he could have easily voted elsewhere still if he were his team-mate.
CoolestSpot - As I said in the game thread, this all felt like a typical Town-CS gambit that almost hurt us, but luckily we got Scum-ET with the lynch in the end instead. Hopefully he can continue to be a source of comic relief but also settle down with the gambits so people don't get too distracted by trying to read him.
Towny:
nin - I love Nin in this game so far. If he's Scum it will break my heart. He was calling ET out way back when I was, even before, so his feelings were always known on him, and he always put him in his scum list. He seemed to be on to Grizz, and I'd imagine if Grizz was around more he would have stuck to that. I don't read too much into him picking CS over ET, he truly seemed fine with either.
turmoil7 - Reading through the thread, this guy is just Town as fuck to me honestly. I don't see how anyone could scum read him. His vote on ET was really good too, called him out for not pushing on anyone, and it was before ET himself admitted that he had no scum reads.
Faddy - Overall, I don't think a Scum-Faddy would be able to pull off a bus job on ET like that for so long without ever moving his vote. Me and him had the longest standing votes on ET and rallied the shit out of people to come aboard that train. He's Town.
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
Redid my readlist. made null section a lil more clearer with whether its slight read or null. put gir in null.added a few small comments to some ppl.
Stuart/ET/Bdubs didnt mind the filler post chat when game started.
Scum (Ordered from most to least)
Stuart - My strongest scum read.
-- Does a lot of "preemptive" explaining for actions to get ahead of possible criticism/scum reading.
-----#538 Contradicts this stance above. Feels Fady caught him off guard with the question. Now he wants to see ppl's response?
--Take a hard line on GP and says its coasting, same could be said about ET #889
--Afraid to be looked at as scummy for unvoting. #305.
--Dismisses a lot of ppls scum reads on him with "it's how I play"
--Questions Gorlak's push on Bdubs #455(Noted because I scumread Dubs)
--Defensive post #526. He cleans up defensiveness of it 2 posts later.
-- Various posts that can be argued looks like he is trying to save ET.
Sophia - Did call ET out on the filler talk. But also ended up switching her vote off ET and onto CS to tie it EOD.
- I dont like how she switched off of ET to vote CS. Seems she reluctantly voted ET in the first place
-Says she will switch back to ET only if it is tied and only 15min before deadline #981
-Questions Gorlak on why he is pressuring Bdubs #421
Bdubs - Response to Slip theory was odd/overreaction. Especially bringing up a prior game.
--Says I have to obviously be scum. #440 But doesnt vote me.
- B-Dubs seems to be defending ET against ppl saying ET is doing busywork. # 391
Melonrabbit - Seems fluffy. Voted for Cs when she mentions she wouldnt. Mentions she would vote ET
--#880
Kalor- his mistake vote for coolest.
--How I read that - scum kalor
Seems et and cs were close. Looked like he prepared a vote post for cs in case et could be saved. His reasoning for not voting grizzly could be applied to et. He voted et an hour b4 deadline with a weak/parrotish explanation. Reads like possible bussing.
Also when he took back his vote from cs, he said he “didn’t want to vote him yet.” 30 minutes left in the day. When did he plan to vote him?
-- Manages to pop in right when Fant mentions I could be a PR.
-- Vote slip?
-- Seems to be background/coaster
Null/Slight reads
Empressdonna (Slight Scum Lean) - Low posting. Never gave promised read list. Misrepresented my interactions. Seems to be background.
Absoultbro (Null) - Not much to really go on
- Voted CS an hour before deadline
Gorlak (Nullish) - Rereading the Bdubs thing. I understand what he meant now. He saw how Bdubs seemingly cracked and decided applying more pressure with votes would yield results. The way he worded it just threw me off. Especially since I didnt see his vote and I had skimmed that post as well. That leads me to understanding him hounding me about discussing my read of the situation a bit more. Which moves him to nullish for me.
Alexem (Slight Scum Lean) - Seems meh. Seems on the fence and a couple of his posts feel parroty. Slight scum
--Sorta defends stuart #590
-- Hesitate to vote ET, 2 hours before deadline #930
Turmoil (Slight town lean) - I like the posts.
Gir (Null)- #274 Him drawing attention to his post count and comparing it to his scum coasting previously.
--Did call ET out on fluff, but could be argued he followed Fant/Sophia in doing so.
Grizzly (Slight Scumlean)- #356 Analysis of my shrug - seems like busywork, bear was busy during day phase.So giving him a little leeway.
-After Gir calls him out on his AB post/vote being busywork, Grizzly easily backs off of AB after a posts AB didnt really say much. #368
-Grizzly views ET votes/voters as useless. Says ET's fluffiness is just as comparable to others # 367
Town (Ordered from most to least)
Nin - I like how he went about things. Gambit was w/e. Pushed ppl for opinions and to be apart of discussions.
- Wanted more game talk earlier from stu/et/dubs
- Was one of first for ET
Fantomas Felt townie to me with how he handled the day. Pushing for info, leading discussion etc. Only problem was the PR discussion in regards to my posting. Currently dont see that has a big issue.Really like his engagement/reads in the night chat.
Faddy - Slight town lean. Posting is odd though. Seems to lack presence but has some posts I like.
- I do like how faddy called out Stu #523
-- Implies that since im not tunneling, I may be scum #537. Doesnt reply when i ask what he means.
Stuart/ET/Bdubs didnt mind the filler post chat when game started.
Scum (Ordered from most to least)
Stuart - My strongest scum read.
-- Does a lot of "preemptive" explaining for actions to get ahead of possible criticism/scum reading.
-----#538 Contradicts this stance above. Feels Fady caught him off guard with the question. Now he wants to see ppl's response?
--Take a hard line on GP and says its coasting, same could be said about ET #889
--Afraid to be looked at as scummy for unvoting. #305.
--Dismisses a lot of ppls scum reads on him with "it's how I play"
--Questions Gorlak's push on Bdubs #455(Noted because I scumread Dubs)
--Defensive post #526. He cleans up defensiveness of it 2 posts later.
-- Various posts that can be argued looks like he is trying to save ET.
Sophia - Did call ET out on the filler talk. But also ended up switching her vote off ET and onto CS to tie it EOD.
- I dont like how she switched off of ET to vote CS. Seems she reluctantly voted ET in the first place
-Says she will switch back to ET only if it is tied and only 15min before deadline #981
-Questions Gorlak on why he is pressuring Bdubs #421
Bdubs - Response to Slip theory was odd/overreaction. Especially bringing up a prior game.
--Says I have to obviously be scum. #440 But doesnt vote me.
- B-Dubs seems to be defending ET against ppl saying ET is doing busywork. # 391
Melonrabbit - Seems fluffy. Voted for Cs when she mentions she wouldnt. Mentions she would vote ET
--#880
Kalor- his mistake vote for coolest.
--How I read that - scum kalor
Seems et and cs were close. Looked like he prepared a vote post for cs in case et could be saved. His reasoning for not voting grizzly could be applied to et. He voted et an hour b4 deadline with a weak/parrotish explanation. Reads like possible bussing.
Also when he took back his vote from cs, he said he “didn’t want to vote him yet.” 30 minutes left in the day. When did he plan to vote him?
-- Manages to pop in right when Fant mentions I could be a PR.
-- Vote slip?
-- Seems to be background/coaster
Null/Slight reads
Empressdonna (Slight Scum Lean) - Low posting. Never gave promised read list. Misrepresented my interactions. Seems to be background.
Absoultbro (Null) - Not much to really go on
- Voted CS an hour before deadline
Gorlak (Nullish) - Rereading the Bdubs thing. I understand what he meant now. He saw how Bdubs seemingly cracked and decided applying more pressure with votes would yield results. The way he worded it just threw me off. Especially since I didnt see his vote and I had skimmed that post as well. That leads me to understanding him hounding me about discussing my read of the situation a bit more. Which moves him to nullish for me.
Alexem (Slight Scum Lean) - Seems meh. Seems on the fence and a couple of his posts feel parroty. Slight scum
--Sorta defends stuart #590
-- Hesitate to vote ET, 2 hours before deadline #930
Turmoil (Slight town lean) - I like the posts.
Gir (Null)- #274 Him drawing attention to his post count and comparing it to his scum coasting previously.
--Did call ET out on fluff, but could be argued he followed Fant/Sophia in doing so.
Grizzly (Slight Scumlean)- #356 Analysis of my shrug - seems like busywork, bear was busy during day phase.So giving him a little leeway.
-After Gir calls him out on his AB post/vote being busywork, Grizzly easily backs off of AB after a posts AB didnt really say much. #368
-Grizzly views ET votes/voters as useless. Says ET's fluffiness is just as comparable to others # 367
Town (Ordered from most to least)
Nin - I like how he went about things. Gambit was w/e. Pushed ppl for opinions and to be apart of discussions.
- Wanted more game talk earlier from stu/et/dubs
- Was one of first for ET
Fantomas Felt townie to me with how he handled the day. Pushing for info, leading discussion etc. Only problem was the PR discussion in regards to my posting. Currently dont see that has a big issue.Really like his engagement/reads in the night chat.
Faddy - Slight town lean. Posting is odd though. Seems to lack presence but has some posts I like.
- I do like how faddy called out Stu #523
-- Implies that since im not tunneling, I may be scum #537. Doesnt reply when i ask what he means.
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
Well, I guess thats it?
Think we covered most things. Just need more results to go on.
Im thinking I survive the night unless Gorlak is Vig.
Think we covered most things. Just need more results to go on.
Im thinking I survive the night unless Gorlak is Vig.
Fanto
Confirmed Town
Yeah, I think so. I got your new read list copied down now.
I'm crossing my fingers that we both stay alive here. I would hope I'm an easy target for protection on N1 if we have a Doctor or the equivalent out there, so that might cause Scum to play a bit of WIFOM when thinking about shooting me. But then again, how many times did Scum try and fail to shoot Faddy in GoT? Like 3 times or something? Lol.
I'm crossing my fingers that we both stay alive here. I would hope I'm an easy target for protection on N1 if we have a Doctor or the equivalent out there, so that might cause Scum to play a bit of WIFOM when thinking about shooting me. But then again, how many times did Scum try and fail to shoot Faddy in GoT? Like 3 times or something? Lol.
EzekelRAGE
*truffleshuffle*
Yea I think they targeted daddy at least twice in got.