Cult Thread Against Bastard! Cult Chat

[FluxWaveZ]

I can picture that. From what I gather, this night's recruit options are:

• Natiko
• Blargonaut
• Fantomas

Fantomas is risky, because he might get offed sooner or later during a night phase. I don't regret it, but we did make a similar mistake when we recruited Sawneeks by underestimating how much suspicion she had gathered as a viable lynch target during the previous day phase. Plus, he's losing it.

I still kinda see Dr. Monkey and Natiko in a similar light. One might be the opposite of the other, but I could also see them being on the same team. I'd go for Natiko instead of Dr. Monkey, if we needed to.

Blargonaut seems like he'll be able to avoid a lynch, and maybe also an NK for now. He could be good. Though... I have a hard time figuring him out, could he hurt us as a whole?

Scum should be rather paranoid, too, so this NK would probably be someone they suspect is cult. I think Kyanrute might be their target.

 

[Sorian]

For the record, Saw wasn’t a miscalculation, she had exactly how much suspicion she should have, I just didn’t think there was going to be a shot that could just fuck the vote :P

I would worry about a Blarg recruitment because he would have to 180 a lot of his reads to actually help.

 

[Kyanrute]

I'm not going to defend anyone really, there is no point. I'm just gonna read and post Saw's D4 D3 reads or something.

and yes fanto kyaaa is a very nice townie ehehe :3

 

[FluxWaveZ]

For the record, Saw wasn’t a miscalculation, she had exactly how much suspicion she should have, I just didn’t think there was going to be a shot that could just fuck the vote :P

I would worry about a Blarg recruitment because he would have to 180 a lot of his reads to actually help.

I guess that's why I was fine with her, too, but I didn't expect her to get 2nd in the votes last day phase. It's true that it would have worked out, without the unexpected shot. But someone with a little less suspicion might have been nice. We might have ended up on Brazil or something, though, so it's whatever.

And that's true about Blarg.

I do think we can't afford to hold onto a shot at this point, but Natiko is a bit of a shot in the dark. It'd be a good recruit, though.

 

[Kyanrute]

I don't have opinions about the rec shot before day end. Well, I guess I could rule out people like Monkey and LP but when it comes to the pick, I want to see how this goes 1st.

 

[Sorian]

I don't have opinions about the rec shot before day end. Well, I guess I could rule out people like Monkey and LP but when it comes to the pick, I want to see how this goes 1st.

Same, barring something way out of left field, we’ll likely survive today and can figure out the recruitment then.

 

[Sorian]

Well that said let’s see what happens with Flux now zzzz

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Now it's on me, huh. There's nothing substantial here, though, so this should move on.

 

[Sorian]

Now it's on me, huh. There's nothing substantial here, though, so this should move on.

Pretty much, Natiko of all people handwaving it, someone else we can’t recruit now because he’ll be lynched if you’re lynched lol

 

[Sorian]

It’s always so frustrating to read people being right but being completely dead wrong at the same time. It’s like they guessed on a math test and don’t know the equation.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

On one hand. But on the other, being in it, I welcome the flaws until the end.

I'd think that those who'd want to see me lynched the most, or who seek specific information on my ability, are scum who want to get around it. But it's hard to gauge at this point.

 

[Kyanrute]

onononononononononnononon bad monky no star war messages

this is the fucking point of the day where the bastard game raises its ugly head behind the horizon

MISSED ME, HUH : )

 

[Sorian]

onononononononononnononon bad monky no star war messages

this is the fucking point of the day where the bastard game raises its ugly head behind the horizon

MISSED ME, HUH : )

The bastard lives within us all.

 

[Kyanrute]

yeah i know i realized a day ago that this chat is called gaem viewers against bastard games

A bastard cult against bastard games. the sarcasm is overflowing

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Hm. A lot of suspense, but I wonder just how important this message would be if it only pertained to the Star Wars day phase.

 

[Kyanrute]

am already queuing up various ace attorney tracks for the reveal

 

[Sorian]

Lol I love when we get deep enough into a game for Blarg to start being real.

 

[Sorian]

I’m amazed that we’ve made it to the game state where a confirmed mason might be the best cult recruit.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

I was thinking something like that. Or Dr. Monkey. I don't know. The next recruit will be crucial.

 

[Sorian]

I was thinking something like that. Or Dr. Monkey. I don't know. The next recruit will be crucial.

I think what’s more crucial is we need to make sure to get another shot tonight. I think that’s Archer, HvV, power rangers, or RNG.

Bar 2 might be the “vanilla” option from the fake games so I’m not sure I’d go there, Archer is also 50/50, the mission mechanic makes it weird enough that I think it would qualify.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

I'd avoid Archer, from the initial descriptions of the modifiers. I could also see Bar 2 not giving us a shot, but I'd hope that anything that's unknown could give us one by default.

I'll vote for RNG at the start. I figure it's going to be another mess of a night vote. Hopefully RNG comes through in the end, like McDonalds.

HvV and RNG are practically guaranteed.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Fantomas' indecision could doom us all. Almost feel like placing a "Sure, why not" vote on Kyanrute, but we shouldn't bus... right? Actually, I feel like Kyan's days are coming to an end. Possible NK this night. Possible lynch next day phase.

I dunno. A bus could get us a certain distance that I'm into, but we're a small cult that can't necessarily afford it, either.

 

[Kyanrute]

My purpose now is to defend you two from nk. I die this night or get lynched tomorrow.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

If your lynch is inevitable today, though, it'll look very bad if I didn't consider to vote for you at all. It's getting worrying.

 

[Sorian]

I’m going to do a thing that may end up being a horrible idea or go really well, basically going to give my vote freely to someone else to use. If it’s a Zeke voter then Kyan is probably for sure safe but if it’s a Kyan voter that might tip him over.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

That's weird, but alright.

If we get to 4 or over with Kyan, I might not be able to help myself. I don't want to get caught in the aftermath here. Though I haven't really talked about Kyan much, so it might be best for me to not vote right now.

 

[Sorian]

I’m in a game state where I can’t care about the results, no one ever gave me a good time to just join a flood on Zeke and now I can’t justify choosing either of them or I just domino effect us anyway, let’s see what happens!

 

[Kyanrute]

My read on the situation is on you Flux is that you look somewhat bad if I die now. But if you vote for me now, you look somewhat bad as well.

the solution is obvious, i must not die

ez

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Yeah, it's too late for me to put that vote on you now, and I have no clear reason to do so in the thread, anyways.

Things are messier than I thought, so it would have been a mistake regardless. You very well might live through this.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

I feel... like someone's trying to lay a trap.

 

[Sorian]

Thanks Monkey! You never disappoint :P

Be back in a bit with hopefully no bastard news.

 

[The Bear]

You can use a recruitment shot this night phase!

 

[Kyanrute]

so how dead am i

 

[Kyanrute]

I can't recruit this night, there could be a blocker out there.

 

[Sorian]

Lol what in the world are you two doing?

And yeah I know, I was planning to do the action,

 

[FluxWaveZ]

You might be dead, Kyan. They might ignore Sorian. For some reason, I'm uncertain about myself, but I don't think they'd risk it. I think I'll do the recruit.

Or you, Sorian, that works too.

 

[Sorian]

You might be dead, Kyan. They might ignore Sorian. For some reason, I'm uncertain about myself, but I don't think they'd risk it. I think I'll do the recruit.

Or you, Sorian, that works too.

If there’s a tracker, they have to have already followed me at least once by now and that’s all I’m really worried about

Or a watcher but those have usually come up by now.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Awesome, good stuff to the RNG crew.

So Zeke wasn't scum. Not too surprising, in the end, but I did pin him as one of the likelier ones. rac, Lone_Prodigy... it gets weird here. Natiko or Dr. Monkey could be scum, and I don't think we can be sure of which one.

Should... we recruit Fantomas?

 

[Kyanrute]

Lol what in the world are you two doing?

And yeah I know, I was planning to do the action,

I am dead. No way I survive to the night after this. I doubt there is any doubt about my cultness now that Zeke flipped. So by voting early for Pizza, I can taunt and demoralize.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

It's also so that Kyan doesn't scare away people from voting for what he's voting for. People aren't going to vote for Pineapple Pizza, anyways.
I just wanted Fireblend to vote on RNG.

But hey, believe! Maybe some kinda miracle's gonna happen and none of us will have to die until the next day phase.

 

[Sorian]

Eh, I wouldn't write yourself off yet. Stranger things have happened in this game. I'm more trying to figure out how scum would play this.

 

[Sorian]

lol is L_P really scum by himself? That would be such a small scum team even with a cult.

 

[Kyanrute]

It's also so that Kyan doesn't scare away people from voting for what he's voting for. People aren't going to vote for Pineapple Pizza, anyways.

And this too.

I'll think about the recruit after zzz. The thing to determine I feel is if meanies ever kill Fanto here.

 

[Sorian]

And this too.

I'll think about the recruit after zzz. The thing to determine I feel is if meanies ever kill Fanto here.

Pretty much the question, yeah

Spoiler

cabot is going to be so pissed if we steal his mason

 

[Kyanrute]

hmm am i to be the sacrifice to bring forth rng

such honor!

 

[Kyanrute]

I'd love to recruit Natiko since he was all supportive of the cult cause but a confirmed townie is a confirmed townie.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Cult and town are both enemies to them. Right now, there is no one who seems to have a soft claim in play except for possibly Dr. Monkey.

CeeCee's not going to be killed, scum or town.
Sorian's not going to be killed, being a suitable candidate for a lynch. I feel like rac and Blargonaut fit in this, too.
FluxWaveZ shouldn't be killed, with doubt rising on him and a commuter claim.
There's no reason to kill Fireblend.

I'd say likely targets are Fantomas, Natiko, Dr.Monkey, and Kyanrute. Kyan if they want to shoot the supposed leader and they want to hit cult. Fantomas if they're focused on taking out confirmed town, mainly after seeing Zeke's flip and they've now downgraded the cult's importance. Natiko and Dr. Monkey for the two main players still trying to apparently solve things the most.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

So Fantomas is the only guaranteed one we could recruit. Blarg looks alright, too, but kinda hard to determine.

I think other than if Fantomas would be killed tonight, we might also want to ask ourselves if that even matters. Anyone other than him has the possibility of a failed recruitment. But if we go for him, I think this is the scenario going into D8:

• There are still 3 of us and we have another recruitment shot (we will get it this night phase), whether Kyan or Fantomas get killed.

Worst case scenario if we aim for someone else is that the recruitment fails, and Kyan gets taken out, leaving us at 2 with a shot.

Best case scenario would be we go into D8 with 4 members and a shot. This would mean Kyan didn't get killed, our recruitment didn't fail, and the one we recruited wasn't killed on N7.

 

[Sorian]

I'm not so much concerned about succeeding in the recruitment, I think with some thought we can narrow down a pretty safe list (Blarg, rac, Fantomas). I'm more concerned with working around what scum does tonight. They have to shoot for cult right? There's no way around it and they should think vanillas are the only one's that can be recruited. That makes Fantomas the clear choice in pretty much every way. Blarg and rac are likely vanilla.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Right, the only vanillas can be recruited theory. I just have to wonder if they're really that worried about cult. I guess they'd have no reason not to be, so they'd either aim for the "leader" in Kyan, or aim for a vanilla in Blarg, rac, and maybe Dr. Monkey/Natiko if they're not on the opposing team.

A Fantomas recruit. Well, I'm for it, and it's frankly been a long time coming. You sure it should be you, Sorian? If they're not going to aim for me because I'm a commuter, they won't use an investigative ability on me, either.

 

[Sorian]

I think I’m the only one without suspicion. Unless a blocker or tracker is exactly Blarg then I shouldn’t run into issue. There seem to be enough people entertaining that your whole commuter claim was a lie that someone could get fiesty and decide to target you instead of “better” targets.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Right, that increasing doubt on my claim. That's fair enough.

If Kyan's fine with it too, then I'm also good with Sorian recruiting Fantomas tonight.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

@Grizzly, I've got a question. What has higher priority in this game, a night kill or a cult recruit? In other words, if we would have recruited someone successfully but they were killed on the same night phase, would their in-thread flip state that they were converted to cult, or would it keep their original role without any cult mention?

 

[The Bear]

Latter.

 

[Kyanrute]

I'd think that the fear campaign, in addition to the fact that the game is still going, forces scum into a must kill cult mindset. There is no gambling here. The one thing I am uncertain about is whether or not scum support the vanilla only idea. I'd lean on them supporting it but I could see it going the other way as well. Nevertheless, I don't think it is the correct play to fear the other way. It does not feel like a winning play to me.

The conclusion is Fantomas. His role is absolutely trustworthy and if only vanillas can be converted, killing him could end the game. Everybody else available for recruit is an unknown and thus a theoretical vanilla and thus either a possible scum kill target or just scum altogether. Though while I feel I am the kill tonight, you never know. Could be one of the other unknowns as well.

I don't see any alternatives.

 

[Kyanrute]

Recruit hmm. I should pull the blocks and kills on me. Could there even be a town investigative alive still? Scum should have one. I agree with Sorian, nobody investigates him unless it is Blarg or some random ass wild plan out of thin air.

 

[Sorian]

RECRUIT: Fantomas

I’m surprised pineapple might win? Expecting Blarg or L_P to switch at the last minute though, either way is fine, either we go into tomorrow with another shot or two people removed from the game.

 

[Kyanrute]

Shouldn't we do the last minute swing as well though? 9-6/3 v 10-7/3. Dodge two kills and get a recruit: 7-4/3 v 8-4/4. The latter needs to dodge D9 lynch and then force Fire to exit by instantly mass voting Pizza.

...

If we trust that Fire is what he says he is, we can buy him on D9. If we get to D9 with me dead and two new recruits, one of you all claims to get Fire's vote with a promise that you'll vote for Pizza. Lynch one, pizza gets voted, Fire wins, cult wins with +2 votes.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

I'd say we need a shot, just for survival purposes. If we don't get one, the next time we'll be able to recruit is N9 at the earliest. on D10, the game will start with 6 people at the rate of 1 lynch and 1 NK per phase. Who knows who those 6 will consist of at that point.

You guys can't really switch to RNG, but maybe unvote to screw Fireblend over if it comes to it.

 

[Kyanrute]

I can totally switch to RNG. Will only do so on the final minute though if the possibility is still open.

 

[Sorian]

I would have no reason to unvote or switch so I can't, a survivor wants the game done asap so letting Fire leave or the dumb theory that cult is trying to get pineapple voted would both be good for the claim I have out.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Hard to tell if CeeCee's even going to vote, or where his vote would go to. Doesn't seem like Fantomas will budge from Bar 2. Blarg's probably going to flip around some more, but hard to tell where it's going to land, too.

Kyan flipping to RNG instead of Pineapple Pizza would implicate anyone who voted for RNG, if you end up being killed tonight. That can be both a good and bad thing, but the question would arise why cult wouldn't have wanted Fireblend out when you had the chance. A tie will result in PP being chosen, anyways. Kind of a tough spot.

 

[Kyanrute]

Town is implicated regardless what I vote for. Fire cannot exit the game because that is a anti-cult vote lost. Pizza should've never been an option even.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

That's true, the Pizza voters are all dubious in the first place.

 

[Kyanrute]

Oh and should I flip it becomes obvious that cult thought that Pizza wouldn't give us rec shots. If the votes stay as they are, only Fantomas escapes the accusations.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

I don't think anyone has any suspicion that the modifiers are related to how we recruit yet. That might surface if you do end up on RNG and you flip at the same time, though, since people will wonder why cult would have voted for it.

 

[Kyanrute]

The role PM's for me and Sorian outright state that cult gains shots via choosing certain phase mods.

 

[Kyanrute]

I'll just quote it because there is a second implication there as well.

You have been summoned by the great Mafia Time Machine to protect the integrity and history of the games this community has played over the years. But honestly you don’t care about that battle. What you do care about is reviewing games, and making sure they are correctly balanced and fair. Alas, it seems many bastard games have been played in the past, and what’s worse is that people seem to like them! That simply cannot do, so you and your fellow game reviewers have decided to spread the joy of balance and fairness!

You are Hecht the Game Reviewer which means Neutral Cult Member

Cult can recruit more cult members during night phase with command RECRUIT: Player. If recruitment is successful, the targeted player becomes part of the Game Reviewers Cult.

However, Recruitment is a limited shot power, and the cult starts with zero shots. Choosing certain Phase Modifiers for new day/night phases may give cult more recruitment shots. If a modifier gives you a recruitment shot, you may use it at earliest the next night phase. Any cult member can do the recruiting, but only one can do it during the night phase.

The Cult has a secret chat in Outer Mafia

You start the game with next fellow cult member(s):
Sorian

You are aligned with The Game Reviewers, which means NEUTRAL

You win, if the Cult consists of 50% or more of the alive players, and if all potential threats to the Cult have been eliminated.

Game Thread is here: https://www.resetera.com/threads/mafiera-mafia-ot-the-day-of-the-blargonauts.91092/

Please confirm you have received this role PM by either replying to it, or posting in the game thread that you have received it

Namely, the bit where it says that I start the game with fellow cult member(s). It will become clear that there was more than a single OG cultist.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

h wow, that's right. If I flip, it'll be like Sawneeks, but if either of you two flip, the secret behind our mechanic will be out.

 

[Sorian]

There’s also the implication that Grizzly is another rominent game reviewer but I can explain that away pretty easily fighting that Pedro would make more sense.

 

[Sorian]

I was thinking about something at the grocery store BECAUSE THATS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I PLAY MAFIA, let’s me put everything away and then get to a computer.

 

[Sorian]

So we have no real way to control it obviously but if none of us get NK'd tonight then I think we're golden. I don't think the real reveal is that specific modifiers give shots, it would reveal that the cult is probably smaller than expected but they still wouldn't know which modifiers gave shots and which didn't. We know that its the bastard-y games but they don't (and please don't TMI yourself by presenting that as a possibility, if they come to that conclusion then fine but don't hand it to them). I think at this point the real reveal would be that PRs can be recruited too. That's the real ace in the hole, thanks to two parts Natiko and one part Monkey, that's become the group conclusion. Aside from the very real possibility of lynching Kyan, they are stuck in a mislynch loop until they figure out that PRs are fair game. Any of us dying reveals that since Kyan and I's PM explicitly say it and Flux is a turned PR himself which is why it would be great if somehow scum shot all around us just tonight. We'll have a safe Fantomas since he's the mason (waiting for bullshit rule that mason was immune for some reason) and then we can maybe get another mislynch with the bigger voting block. Fantomas himself was one of the biggest Kyan voters, if he plays up more confusion and paranoia rac might be the unsuspecting victim.

Anyway, all this to say, @Kyanrute did you claim already in thread? If you survive, it might be worth claiming a PR if push comes to shove, not right when the day starts or anything but when they start leaning in, I think they will force a claim for you and rac, if you can claim a PR that makes any type of sense then that might be good enough. It's too late to claim a good investigation role at this point so that's out imo.

Also, @Grizzly I guess I want to verify something else now that you said someone would remain unchanged if they died the same night we recruited. I would assume that means our shots go out after the kill, would we then be refunded the shot since we made an invalid move with it (targeting a player that did not exist)?

 

[Sorian]

Also, make sure to hand Fireblend that win, poor boy deserves it at this point lol

Looks like it will be RNG, only fear at this point is that guess someone made that choosing RNG would literally just RNG any of the other available modifiers.

 

[Sorian]

Oh, also Blarg is still a wildcard, his lynch might happen to at this stage if Kyan removes himself with a PR claim.

 

[Kyanrute]

I haven't claimed anything. Would need to be something rather passive. Quickly thinking the best crumb could be a one shot pr, I tossed a question about shots for Faddy on day three, I could connect myself to that.

 

[Sorian]

Useless is fine, Brazil's PR was worthless and Natiko assumes it just exists to block a cult recruitment, if you also present something worthless, he might be on board quick.

 

[Kyanrute]

pls no kill kyaaa want to play rng

pls

 

[Sorian]

How long will Grizzly make us wait in silence before we find out if the recruitment worked?

 

[Sorian]

Also if RNG gave us a shot but honestly, I live more for seeing people's reactions to getting recruited at this point :P

 

[Sorian]

Damn, ok, time to find out if Bar 2 gives us a shot.

 

[Kyanrute]

BOO eternal disappointment bastard game delivers again

glorious random dot org being stripped to a single roll

 

[The Bear]

ANNOUNCEMENT

Choosing RNG awards you with a shot!
Choosing Bar 2 does not award you a shot.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Heh. Well, alright. So this is the modifier that could have given us more than one shot at once.

 

[The Bear]

ANNOUNCEMENT

Your attempt at recruiting has FAILED due to your chosen recruiter not being able to start the recruitment process.

Your recruitment shot has been refunded.

You have 2 recruitment shots now.

 

[The Bear]

Current cult size: 2

 

[FluxWaveZ]

I... see. See ya, Sorian. We'll avenge you.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

So if Kyan gets lynched here, and I get NK'd, it's over. We gotta tread carefully here; I guess I should have recruited after all.

 

[Kyanrute]

who the flying fuck kills sorian here

blarg is scum i guess

 

[Kyanrute]

i am beating a dead horse but killing a recruiter stops the shot but recruiting a commuting commuter works

yeah

 

[Kyanrute]

I wanted to die so I wouldn't need to take this shit any more.

ugh

 

[The Bear]

The commuter part is definitely a fuck-up from my part, and I take responsibility on that.

Here though: https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?threads/164/

in general role priority, kills come before recruitment.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Well, you get to continue suffering like Fantomas, Kyan. Just hold out for a bit longer. If neither of us gets lynched this day phase, we can win this. Just, you know, don't act more suspicious. The role claim business Sorian was talking about is no longer necessary, either, since they'll see his flip and gain an understanding of how cult works.

It's too bad we can't recruit twice during the same night phase. Sorian's a weird kill, but I can also kinda see it. Blarg as scum, huh. Anyways, we just need to last a bit longer, and definitely not bussing each other at this point. If either of us gets lynched, it might be over.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Though, I think I still might have some more perceived NK immunity. If I particularly am not the one lynched this day phase, I'll be able to recruit someone else.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Alright, suspicion of Kyan is mild, or at least mild enough that you could survive today's double lynch, if you play your cards right.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

@Grizzly, does this game end when all scum are killed, even if there is cult remaining?

 

[The Bear]

@Grizzly, does this game end when all scum are killed, even if there is cult remaining?

No

 

[Kyanrute]

hiding

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Not sure how things will go now. You seem to be out of contention for a lynch today, weirdly. That's good, though, but you're still a target for an NK, which is bad.

Somehow, I've gained suspicion. I don't know if people will follow Fantomas for a lynch of mine today.

 

[Kyanrute]

This is odd again, yes. I really think the less I speak, the better. But then there is the 2nd lynch that I won't likely be able to avoid.

I could hammer Cee if we get +1 but that kills me on the 2nd lynch. You could rec on the night but you'd need to dodge the kill. Difficult.

 

[Kyanrute]

Now that I'm not as salty as possible, I wanted to mention that this is bastard moderation:

The recruitment shot reaches even when commuting in this game.

To say one thing...

The commuter part is definitely a fuck-up from my part, and I take responsibility on that.

Here though: https://www.outermafia.com/index.php?threads/164/

in general role priority, kills come before recruitment.

...and never correct it before it becomes obvious that something went wrong. This is more bothering since you've been hella open about how everything works. If not for various circumstances surrounding the game, I could see myself calling all moderation information about this game untrustworthy. Now, sure, this did not affect our targets, as far as I know, but it could have. The original mistake itself is human error, unfortunate, but those things happen. It is not about that. Letting the false information stand is breaking the trust between the players and the moderators.