Gossip Thread Neighbor Chat

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Basically, it just feels like FEPs wants to have a reason to take us both out regardless of what our flips say.

Let's say maybe I get taken out today because he can convince people I'm Scum.

I flip Town Neighbor.

Oh, well Zeke is obviously the Scum one, trying to get all that town cred with his claim and manipulate poor Fanto!

Reverse it.

Well, Fanto was obviously manipulating Zeke and whispering words of poison in his ear! Let's get him!

Plus, multiple people have already tried to say that there's no way the Neighbors are the same alignment. Just trying to plant some early narratives for when one of us flips Town because they know we're both actually Town, while also making sure we stay paranoid and don't turn this into a Mason chat.

Weemad, and others, trying to get you to put anything other than a Null read on your partner in the thread could be seen as part of that too.

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I love how much you bring out my inner conspiracy theorist, Zeke lol.
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
Yea, he was the one that was really all over the place.

He was also the one who was "attacking" anyone who voted for him. Not me.

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Thing is, I don't think wsd would call the mod on FEP for the tone if they were both scum mates. If wsd had a problem with FEP's tone they could've talked about it in scumchat.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Thing is, I don't think wsd would call the mod on FEP for the tone if they were both scum mates. If wsd had a problem with FEP's tone they could've talked about it in scumchat.
That's a good point. That would be some high level distancing, and I'm not sure if I would expect that. Probably not Scum together, yeah.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I suppose I should probably prepare myself for a showdown with FEPs here today haha. I don't think I can deny him a spot on my suspect list here, he earned it.

I think I want to pressure someone else though to start, I'm sure you and FEPs will have plenty to talk about. I'll probably start with one of the other fishers who kept trying to get info from you. Weemad/Sae/Vincent most likely.

Honestly, I'm thinking me just being forthright and claiming as your partner today might help to give people a perspective on where I've been coming from.

If they want to turn it into a thunderdome between us because of that, they can try I guess, but it would be a terrible idea.

Unless the Scum team doesn't have one of the fishers that we've mentioned already (which seems really unrealistic honestly) I'm pretty positive they already picked up that I'm your partner. My bread crumbs were more like bread loafs after a while lol.
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
If you are town, claiming only helps scum know for certain that we are vanilla. Which I guess like you said, your breadcrumbs give it away.

idk. Seeing who tries to make it a TD could be fun.

I wouldn't claim in your situation. But you don't know my motives since I could be scum.
*truffleshuffle*
 

heymonkey

Known Roblox Expert
Staff member
ngl, my goal in this mafia life is to meet Zeke in person to see if he also performs this action physically.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Same lol.

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It is true that it just verifies to Scum that we aren't really the best targets for them, and it could be used as a weapon against us during the day phases even.

I think if I can spell out my perspective though, people might be able to understand where I'm coming from though.

Because to me, what I saw yesterday was a bunch of people who were really interested in finding out who your partner was. I can really only look at this thusly: I'm Town, so if Zeke is Scum, the Scum team already knows I'm his partner. So who the heck are these handful of super inquisitive people in the thread who just desperately want his partner to claim? Probably Scum lol.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
He did, I can't remember what it said before but I saw it pre-edit, it came in at the same time as the Day End post I think.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Yeah, shit, I keep forgetting about Ynnek because he's just in the shadows. He was questioning you as well, wasn't he? I'll go back and ISO him quick maybe.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Ok, Ynnek's Protect/Investigate/Kill list was:

Protect: Fantomas/Weemad
Investigate: Zeke/WSD
Kill: Kopite

Then he came back the next morning before EoD.

Made some defensive posts, some fluff, questioned you about your partner, said he wanted confirmation of the role by flipping you, wasn't concerned about whether you were Town or Scum with the role.

Votes for FEP out of self preservation.

Then switches his vote to Zipped which caused the 4 way tie at the end, and ultimately got Zipped killed when Saenima and Vincent jumped on at the end.
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
Taking bets on FEPs using the zipp lynch as an "I told you so"?

It's very easy for scum to play the "those lynches are mislynches" card when they know who is town.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
The Zipped vote was so weird, it just came out of no where.

Weemad comes in and just goes "I don't want FEP or Ynnek, let me just put down this throwaway vote."

Then Aeleus says basically the same thing, and drops the vote on Zipped.

LP is glad to see people agree with him from earlier, and joins them, leaving the Ynnek train behind.

Aeleus and LP also mentioned Zipped voting for Ynnek as being a reason for them suddenly wanting him instead.

Then Ynnek switches off of FEP to join on Zipped.

Saenima breaks the 3-way tie with his vote, and then Vincent seals the deal with his.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Meanwhile FEP just sits idly by screaming that everyone fucked up and they need to vote for you instead.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Yooo...

I just got a PM saying that someone investigated me last night.

It isn't anymore specific than that, so I don't what it was.

But someone hit me with a check of some kind.
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
why would you be the check instead of me.

wee also sorta breadcrumbed a PR.

implying they would check me 2nite
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
why would you be the check instead of me.

wee also sorta breadcrumbed a PR.

implying they would check me 2nite
Yeah, I saw the Weemad crumb too. She also seemed relatively sure that I was your partner if you were telling the truth though with that post about me breadcrumbing too strongly, so I'm pretty sure she has us linked.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
She had also said she had a second possible scum pairing besides Sae and FB, but wouldn't say who. Could have been us.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I hadn't really thought to, it would give Scum info on the existence of some kind of investigative role which they don't really need to know exists, right?

If I tell everyone that I was checked, it doesn't necessarily prove it even happened unless the person who did it comes forward to verify. I realize this applies to you as well, you don't necessarily have to believe it happened until then either.

I also realize that by telling you, you could be Scum, and in that case Scum now has the info, but I just immediately wanted to tell you about it after I saw it lol.
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
was wondering what your response would be.

if you were willing to post it in the thread, wouldn't look good for you in my eyes

*shrug*
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Yeah, that's one thing I'll look for.

LP is already throwing weird shade for some reason.

I'm not even sure if I understood his questions exactly or if I responded to them correctly lol.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I'm back home now, just eating and reading through the thread.

FEPs... I don't even know what to say.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Yep, that post made me do a double take lol.

I'm trying to engage with FEPs and see if I can get him to maybe start playing here, so I guess we'll see how that goes.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Not fully sure what to make of FEPs just having a completely different tone when talking to me here. I appreciate that he isn't being as abrasive at least.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Gunna start working on somewhat of a new read list for when we get closer to the 24 hour mark of the day phase, probably just like a "Would Vote Today" and "Would Not Vote Today" kind of list.

Just starting out, thinking I probably wouldn't want to vote out you, Weemad, or Fireblend today.

I'd put Ynnek and Vincent on the other end of the list for sure so far.
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
Wasn’t the question to wsd about fep being scum a legit question?

Wsd said I was scum/ acting scummy.

I asked why he thought I was scummy and he seems to have just left it alone.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Yeah, I thought that was a good point.

I'm not sure what to make of the people that are following my pressure vote on Ynnek.

Both Kopite and WSD hopped on. Kopite makes sense, he was on Ynnek yesterday. WSD was not. I think he asked me yesterday why I switched to him, but can't remember if he followed up. I'd have to go back and check for that interaction again, it was shortly after I voted for Ynnek at EoD.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Ok, looking back he was asking a bunch of people what they thought about FEP and Ynnek while they were the two trains, and had his vote on Ynnek.

Then when he got back, he was surprised that the third train showed up.

At the start of today, he thought there was Scum between FEPs and Ynnek, and voted for Weemad because he seemed to think she was trying to protect one by starting the Zipped train.

Eh, it's a tough call, I'm always bad at reading votes, but I think I can follow his logic here.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
What are your thoughts on Weemad here? I think she's Town, but she is really a wee bit mad, isn't she? Lol.

Also, thoughts on Fireblend/Saenima? I'm still back and forth there, currently leaning Town on FB and leaning Scum on Sae.

I haven't really been able to tell who might have investigated me, haven't been looking for breadcrumbs too hard.

It doesn't seem like the thunderdome idea with us ever got any strong support, most people seem to be town reading us both, but there are a few that still seem open to it.

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I feel like I haven't talked much in here after claiming since I'm not keeping any secrets from the thread anymore lol.

But regardless, if you want to put down thoughts in here, I'd like to hear on those things in particular, because that's kind of where my paranoia is right now.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I feel like I haven't talked much in here after claiming since I'm not keeping any secrets from the thread anymore lol.
Well, I guess the investigation on me is still a secret between us, but that's easier for me to keep quiet on, doesn't affect how I'm playing or anything.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
If FB is Scum here, I think he's looking to pocket me in a similar way to what Natiko did to me in MafiEra, that's kind of a paranoid vibe I get from time to time here.

Like, he had some post earlier about how he trusts my reads when I'm Town or something... What was it that Verelios told me after MafiEra? Something about if someone is telling me that I'm the shit, and they have no reason to do that, then they're probably sus?

Just paranoid thoughts, still don't think I'd want to go for FB today. Something to keep in mind though.
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
Weem’s discussion on prs rubs me the wrong way.

Fb is interesting. Him wanting to distinguish what he did and what fep did in regards to stuck out to me. It’s like he wanted to distance himself for some reason.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
First of all, yep you called Wee baiting the NK.

Also though:
weemadarthur said:
I felt very targeted last night.
Do you think she was notified like I was?

I was told I was investigated, maybe she was told something similar? She seemed to make sure she was saying the gamerunner didn't tell her she was shot at, but then she uses that phrase which is very similar the PM I got about being investigated.
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
Meh, could be gamerunner.

My guess is that is best way for her to say she was targeted w/o saying she had a bp maybe.
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
Did captain breadcrumbing his role/ implying we had someone that affects a lynch seem odd to you?

Seems he also alluded that the person who had this power could possibly be up for a lynch at that point as well.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Meh, could be gamerunner.

My guess is that is best way for her to say she was targeted w/o saying she had a bp maybe.
Yeah, true, could have been notified that her BP was used too.
Did captain breadcrumbing his role/ implying we had someone that affects a lynch seem odd to you?

Seems he also alluded that the person who had this power could possibly be up for a lynch at that point as well.
I noticed that, I wasn't sure what to make of it at the time. It did seem like he was maybe breadcrumbing a Role Cop result now that I think about it though.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
You're so jealous that I got checked instead of you lol.

People just really want me to be Scum again, sorry. :P
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I swear to god, this is Weemad IRL:

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Fanto

Confirmed Town
That was a good point, we should probably be in here more.

Sae is definitely looking bad to me here, I've laid out my thoughts on him pretty well in the thread already.

Ynnek was up for the vote yesterday and his read list was pretty bad today. He only seems concerned with the fact that Kopite voted for him twice, so he thinks Kopite is Scum for that.

Kind of like how Sae thinks FB is Scum for similar reasons, but at least Sae has some other scum reads too.

FB is too tough for me to read right now, his thoughts are lining up with my own a lot, which makes me paranoid, but it could just be because we're both Town.

I think Wee is telling the truth about baiting the NK, but it doesn't mean her theory is automatically right.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Ah, just saw your post about the fact that Wee crumbed the investigative role means that her being targeted for her reads holds more weight.

That is definitely a good point.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Also not sure what to make of Sae needing to basically have his arm twisted in order to vote for Ynnek here finally. Wouldn't do it yesterday either when he had could have.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Is Sae claiming as Doctor here, saying they protected Wee?

Not sure how much to buy that, since Wee warned against it, may be hinting at her being BP?
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
Not sure what to think of sae. I think it’s a bluff. The responses sae had earlier still rub me the wrong way especially if they planned on claiming.

Could be fake to get cc’d
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
No breadcrumbs either, and the ones he has are weak.

Reminds me of Faddy's fake Doc claim in MafiEra...
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
There is so much odd behavior going on right now, this is going to be a thing to read back through after we get a flip.

God dammit, I am liking LP here though. I'll only admit that in private for now lol.
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
So if wee is to be believed from the doc post. She doesn’t have a bp imo.

If she had a bp, she wouldn’t risk outting the doc(this refers to her saying the doc should cc if saen claims doc)
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
She said the Doc shouldn't CC, she typo'd that in the post that keeps getting quoted there and clarified afterwards.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I just don't buy this shit.

I think there is a decent chance that similarly to how I was notified that I was investigated, Wee may have been told that she was protected if it actually happened.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
So then why would she say "Don't believe a Doctor claim" if she knew she was protected?

That's basically where my logic is right now.
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
So zipped could see what actions were performed on a person.

Wee has a role that lets her know who visited her at night?

Which would explain why she tried to make a plea of the PRs needing to piece together info together?

She saw ynn and saen visit her + no death = one was killer and one was doc?

Possible but long shot.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Possible. Self Watcher was a role in the Mansion game I think, where they could only self target.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Ok, that's rough.

Just personally, I'm immediately suspect of anyone who fully bought that claim.

Also have to suspicious of both Weemad and Fireblend now.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I do look like shit here too.

Moving my vote off Ynnek and being 100% down for the Sae flip, that is worth a side-eye. I told that to WSD, so I expect to get it.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
That's what I've got off the top of my head for where to start at least.

I'm gunna take a break and then I'll be back to do some rereading. I really want to reread everything from when Sae claimed to EoD, there was fuckery afoot there.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
God I feel like shit about that though. I just let myself get swept up in the Saenima thing, it seemed like it all made sense, but nope.

I really needed to take a break and not play in this game, but I just couldn't pass it up. I'm better off in spec chats where my shitty reads don't ruin games.

I just feel like I'm playing really weak here.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Ok yeah, wasn't thinking straight when I said that.

Obviously Sae did target Weemad and there was no kill.

Fireblend does look suspect though.

And I do too, tbh.

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About to eat now and then after I'll go look through the thread again.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Ok, honestly I really don't have the energy to read through this whole day and pull out a bunch of quotes and start nitpicking over posts people made. Not sure how much help that would be anyways.

I think most of my thoughts are going to come from EoD, so I'm going to start from when I woke up this morning and just reread all of that to EoD and just make some notes here and there on different players, and then use that to make a read list next.

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Tough for me to get a read on Fireblend here. Yeah, he could be Scum, but why really? Because he thought Saenima was Scum? So did I. So did Weemad. I suppose his lack of effort for anything else seems a bit suspect maybe, he mentioned Ynnek plenty of times but was definitely all in on Sae once that became a reality. Made sure to defend himself hard against Weemad, even though she had already said he was her second choice and she wanted Sae first. He'd pop in at times during the lead up to EoD like a shadow lurker too, and I hate shadow lurkers. Sae was insistent that he was Scum. Doesn't mean he has to be, but we can't let him get it away with it if he is lol.

Ynnek... I don't know if I'll be able to last in this game much longer without seeing the Ynnek flip lol. Really should have just believed myself when I was talking to you and said that he was the better choice to do first. Dude is just slipping away from each of these EoDs now and why? Because we all talk ourselves in to some other target instead while he just twiddles his thumbs and tells us he'll vote self preservation if he has to. LP is right, the guy plays like him lol.

Seeing CaptainNuevo as pretty scummy here. You are right that it did seem like he was engaging in a bit of breadcrumbing though, not fully sure what to make of that, but I don't want it to completely color my perception of him. He immediately seemed into the claim from Saenima, bought it and switched his vote over to FB, which is interesting to me. Then, as soon as it became apparent that there was suspicion on Sae's claim, he swapped it back over there and goes "Oh, nvm, you are sus here Sae..."

Z-Beat is a possible Scum candidate here. He pulled a similar thing as CaptainNuevo, removed his vote from Sae after the claim, and then decided he was ok with putting it back once others, like myself, casted doubt on the claim. He's also hard town reading me, which isn't that strange since a lot of people do... but I see you Z-Beat lol. (We're friends outside the game)

LP is a mystery. I liked his read list. Honestly, I think his EoD voting behavior on both days could totally be seen as Scum WIFOM, especially considering we've only taken out Town so far, and therefore I think it's NAI. "He's made some good points." Seriously though, I am actually not thinking too many scummy thoughts about LP here after the first couple days, which is gross. Null to slight Town lean.

Getting some newbie-town vibes from Vincent, same kind of stuff I started picking up on in the GTA Costume game where he was Town, after starting off with lean scum feels on him. I might need to ISO him though, he makes some wordy posts and I sometimes forget all of what he says, but I felt like after I got him to bring his reads in, he had more of a presence and didn't feel deceptive to me really through EoD.

Reading Aeleus as pretty townish here, though I'll admit some of it is because I find myself agreeing with their reads a lot. They did have one bit that I thought was either a newbie mistake, or a bit of a perspective slip. Post #1560, they seem to fully believe our Neighbor claim here, enough to consider it confirmed information to them. That should not be the case until one of us flips for anyone but Scum (or perhaps the person who checked me last night if it was an alignment or role check.) We could be Scum together still for all they know. Still though, feeling pretty good about this Town read actually.

Kopite, not a lot of content from him, but what he does have is mainly directed at Ynnek, so the Ynnek flip would probably be helpful there. Would these two only engage with each other and scum read each other so much if they were Scum partners? I feel like that's a no, so probably not Scum/Scum here. Could still be Town/Town, but I am feeling heavy scum feels about Ynnek at this point. I just don't get those vibes from Kopite for whatever reason, could just be bias since I've played with Kopite and have never played with Ynnek though. Anyways, slight Town leans here.

WSD is a tough read, mainly Null on him. He definitely wanted Ynnek more than Sae and maintained that. Then he had the weird stuff with bringing up the Psychic role and starting to try speculating about what role Weemad had, which might just be newbie stuff, but it might have been something a bit more... devious.

FEPs, definitely still a Scum candidate. Refused to commit at EoD, kept his vote on you for the second day in a row. Seems to be looking for mega "I told you so" points after these flips, and I am not a fan of it.

I'm still leaning pretty Town on you here. Can't really think of anything that I would want to like, question you over really? Your play makes sense to me from playing with you when you were Town in the past. We were both pretty quiet in here today until EoD, but we both thought that claim smelled fishy which I think was a legit way to feel about it, so I can't really say that there was anything in here that made me suspicious of you. I think you have healthy paranoia about me since I am kind of making myself look like shit at times, but it's not making me think you have an agenda against me here.

Weemad, we know she was protected by a Doctor and that there was no kill that night. Occam's Razor say she's in a pretty good Town read category there because of that, I'd need to start reaching to find other explanations.

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Ok, so trying to put my thoughts in order here.

Each section is ranked most to least, so FEPs feels more scummy than WSD, for example.

Townish Thoughts:
Weemad
Zeke
Aeleus

Slight Townish Thoughts:
Vincent
Kopite
LP

Slight Scummy Thoughts:
FEPs
Z-Beat
WSD

Scummy Thoughts:
Ynnek
Fireblend
CaptainNuevo
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I'd definitely like to see a full read list from you, especially where your Townish thoughts are at right now.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I think the people I most want to ISO now are Fireblend, FEPs, and Vincent.

Fireblend, I want to review all his content.

FEPs, I want to take a look at his D2 again.

Vincent, I'd like to see all his content as well.

I'll probably do these tomorrow morning, going to try to take a break now for the rest of the evening and chill out haha.
 
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