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Discussion in 'Love Boat 3' started by The Bear, May 14, 2019.
Welcome to spec! No spoilers at least for now!
Welcome to the Love Boat, where nothing can possibliye go wrong. Ahem, possibly go wrong. Hmm.
Hi fellow bears
"S-Dubs, huh? Hey, what if the S actually stood for scum?"
"No, afraid not. We're actually town ninja strongmen."
"Oh well, better keep them around, then."
Lol at some of the ships names
Shitposting aside, Kitsune vs. Stuart seems to be the main talking point so far. From playing with and spectating Stuart in the past, I know that he can be quick to retaliate, so that can make him prone to OMGUS accusations. He does seem to be a touch quieter than usual, though - as wary as I am regarding meta reads, he's usually one of the people that I'd expect to be out front in posting and pushing early on. Not sure what to make of him today.
If I were playing, I'd concur with AB about Pirate Malus and BraWaveZ being worth keeping an eye on, but then I'm always wary of people trying to hide in plain sight. Monkey seems fair so far, but Stuart still feels off, somehow. I'd feel better about him if he were a bit punchier rather than going with the flow.
Some day, I'll be able to make it through D1 and say to myself, 'This is a vote that I can put down with real certainty. None of those gut reads for me, no siree.'. Today is not that day.
I'm not following but I want to say I hope there is an actual town hooker
please be sorian or monkey
Can't have a game of mafia without a cop claim.
I don't think I've ever been that annoyed at being voted out on day 1. I wouldn't have minded as much if the arguments weren't as bad as they were. Instead it was basically just activity based.
Also that was fun Kits, whenever you see this, even if the lynch today didn't work out.
That was a really lazy lynch.
Shit happens. You did your best Kalor! <3
Gamerunners, gonna ask for spoilers: did we get bussed by scum or not?
Also, I request this gif as my will.
I never like trains that come out of nowhere and that was no exception. Still, you managed to get some suggestions of where to go next down, Kalor - now watch them all get ignored and/or swept under the carpet in short order.
Oh, and when you see this, Natiko - that's great news!
I think it's really weird that I saw a few posts in there that saw me as townie, and yet up until when I went to bed, people read me as scum... I swear to gods, I'll never figure out how this game works.
I think that's fairly par for the course for the first couple of days to a game - until there've been a few flips, it's nearly impossible to pair up somebody's actions with the outcomes. Barring a really unlucky slip-up on the scum team's part, in all honesty votes on D1 (and, to an extent, D2) are probably going to be based more on gut feelings than a lot of people would care to admit. Somebody, unfortunately, has to be the one to take a speculative elimination.
For what it's worth, I don't think I'd have been on-board with the voting against yourself and Kalor yesterday if I had been playing - both of you just felt too visible to be scum at that stage. Early on, scum want to go forgotten and un-noticed - so in many ways, the fact that you were getting so much attention at the time would have made you look townier to me!
Yeah, that was my strategy! I wanted to be visible and do things that generated discussion as well as poke others and engage. But then everyone got on my case about it, and the next day I decided to back off and everyone got on my case about THAT too. There are so many mixed messages in this game!
I assume that we died?
Hmm, so scum have claimed their first PR. A day-vig could have been handy down the line - Fran, did you and Fandorin have any early ideas on how you might have used your shot, or is that something that you were planning on coming to later?
No plan. We just decided to not use it D1. I don't like D1 vigs.
Fuck, you were right Fran.
Should’ve posted more.. that’s disappointing as hell.
That's understandable - it'd be a very risky move with so little information to go on.
It's not because of that. I just find it shitty killing someone before they can play at least a complete day phase.
It was fun while it lasted.
Yeah, going in D2 I was thinking about discussing an Monkey or a Sorian kill with Fran, but that didn’t work out.
I was going to tell you the same.
Sorian getting D1 Vig'd would have been something to see.
I still have Stu pegged as scum
I’m getting sadder and sadder.
Why not shot stan
Pirate Malus is scum. This is the same bullshit she tried in Mafiera.
There Is nothing to gain there. Fep and Stan barely posted.
I wanted to shoot Tybro (to know if yrsterday was town/town or scum needed to act), Sorian or Monkey (because they are Sorian and Monkey).
the dead remember
Yeah, I'm not really on board with Bae's claim. A one-shot cop? Sure. But a one-shot cop that can also detect a visit and suss the alignment of the visitor in one go? That seems too convenient. Not to mention - is N1 really the best time to use what may well be the one cop shot when the field of candidates is so wide? I could be reading too much in to it, but too much of the claim just doesn't add up to me.
This is a wonderfully nonsensical line, and I'm totally stealing it in the future.
Cool role if Pirate Bae isn't lying. And likely scum. Why would they use that role on a cop and separate the partners when they need to coordinate the investigation?
If we were still alive I would have shot Dr Stuart.
They are not trying to scumhunt, they are happy creating noise and not even reading Sorian right now.
Given the partnership system, I was worried that the game might have ended up going without a CoolestSpot Master Plan™ - I'm glad to see that's not the case now, though.
Omg, when Fran is even reading me right, you know the thread has gone wrong.
Anyway, said it in the other chat, but sorry I couldn't be around more than I was. Shit hit the fan all at once for me.
Nah no worries, I don’t think it ever mattered there at the end anyway regardless of what we did.
Yeah, those votes were locked in from the start of the day. That one was two days in the making.
Also, Fanto panicked way too much at the very end. I'd put money on scum or neutral
I had the same thoughts bout the thieves role. To me it looked that you were trying to understand what happened last night. Monkey and Stuart didn't cared at all and where just interested about talking shit about you.
BTW, I'm pretty certain that Coolest is scum.
Is a double vote usually a scum thing? Last time I saw it the role was town.
I can't see Dr. Stu coming out of this looking good. With the scum team knowing that Sorian was town, it'd be fairly easy for them to put down some early votes on him to sow some uncertainty and, when called on it later, just pass them off as meme votes.
That's not to say that they are scum, of course, but those D1 votes and starting the train on D2 will add fuel to the fire.
It can be either, it's probably a 50/50 split to be honest if we really broke it down.
Pirate Malus is scum then?
Also all of South America killed. Sad.
I know spoilers already so I will he removed from most conversation for now but I will say I’m very upset all around. You just got unlucky Brazil, they knew.
Yup. Knew something about that whole story didn't sit right. Bae was handing out unaffiliated green checks left and right.
We self-targeted btw.
Don’t worry, @The Bear didny mess up order of operations again, this was actually legit this time :P
I guess there's solace in the fact that we did make the right choice. It just didn't work out.
You two got both role blocked and killed.
Weaklings. They needed 6 people to bring us down @FluxWaveZ
Was probably N1 that did it. Such an obvious target, but also why we healed them. I don't want to say it was a mistake... but a target like that would be such a magnet for all kinds of trouble.
Heh, it's a lot of resources for it, in a way. Oh well.
Well, best of luck. I'm sure Monkey will redeem us all.
It was fun playing with you, Flux :)
You guys got hit by scum role cop on N1.
Same here. Wish I could have been a bit better, but it wasn't terrible, and I think we both did our best.
Oh, so we just got unlucky. Makes me feel better and worse, heh.
First things first - sorry to hear about AB's news. FUCK CANCER.
Beyond that, I'd be right behind a Bae/Malus whack right now. That claim's seemed iffy to me from the off and I think it's reached the point where it needs to be sorted out. If they're telling the truth, town will only be losing an effective vanilla pair and will get a solid green check on Abs4all (barring them being godfathers or something like that).
Why are they being coy about revealing the gossips based on just info they found in the thread and a guess? Geno isn't right often but if you noticed it then it's 99% chance that scum noticed it too with their extra pair of eyes.
Because it's a frame job? I honestly don't know.
There's definitely a lot of interesting roles floating around, but I'm pretty surprised at town waiting so long to look at Pirate Bae's claim. Like, the whole thing has felt incredibly odd the whole time. Claiming 1 shot in the thread could work as a feint to try and make scum think that you have more checks, but if she wanted to keep that going then she should have claimed that she checked someone today. I don't really see the point in giving out that kind of information to scum if it's true, and the whole wishy-washy situation surrounding the kidnappers was super odd. She assumed that they were town, but in the event that they weren't, they could just say that she checked someone else and green check someone on the scum team. The whole thing is so messy and I'd definitely be pushing for that right now
(Some of this might be bias from when she fake-claimed my role in MafiEra though!)
Those who tried to bring it up on D2 got shut down by others.
Correct to shut it down the day of the first check tbh, with no new check today it becomes more suspicious and it's absolutely an auto lynch tomorrow because the doctor is gone and you target there in case it's an odd night cop or something.
No, the whole thing does feel massively suspect. It's not just your history.
I think no roleblock and no kill attempt on Pirate Malus made it immediately suspect on D2. I guess, sure, this is an assumption that scum would have a role like that, but there was this feeling like they didn't care about the cop.
I think this is a symptom of our community to be honest because sooo many of our games give scum a roleblocker but on N1, it's really not an unthinkable game state to assume scum just had no tools to mitigate a cop aside from killing and many just won't risk it that first night because the lost kill would act as an auto clear for the cop. If it had been a later game state, hints of a roleblocker likely would have been out and that would be reason but right then? There are other scum and it's not worth the cop to go on a hunch yet.
And don't get me wrong, you are 100% in the right here but taking into account a sub set of 100 games, this would probably be a minority case
I guess I kind of suck at this game because none of my reads have been panning out. Let's see if my read on Stu redeems me.
Never say no to flatearthpandas.
It's how they got me in my last game. Fake claim cop, I came into protect, they get me the next night.
Did Bae just slip?
Maybe. Geno could just be lying here as a way to push a lynch that he feels is a sure thing, but if she did slip I think that's a pretty understandable one to make. I wouldn't really think about a kidnapper role interacting differently between scum and town in that way
Credit for fanto for catching it but I do feel bad for pirate malus, no way of knowing they had slipped.
Also I've finally caught up, seems like a fun game so far and really enjoying the flavour so good job there
One away from the hammer? The thread could do with some *truffleshuffle* right now.
Well, there it is. 2-shot is interesting though, I wonder if they found anyone else for their team
We hit the messengers n2
Which sucks because they sent AB a message saying who they were anyway.
At least I was actually a cop this time
It's the first time I've seen a game where a straight up contradiction like that led to a kill. Well done, Fant
Honestly I’m kind of mad about it and I think it’s pretty unfair.
I’m not trying to complain, really. No hard feelings, Bear, I just feel like it should have been one way or the other or at least brought up that it was specifically intentional or not.
I learned pretty hard in maple street that it be like that sometimes. I gotta respect the attention to detail.
Bae.. just why?
Also how likely is a neutral gossip? "Tell them you townread us" reeks.
Hopefully they lynch Coolest next for that awful "Brazil is a PR" comment.
So in the past, Bear has given scum love boats as well just for consistency, did he do that this time? And then follow up, did he remove access to your fake love boat while you still had scum chat access?
Also, I only just found what the slip up was, hadn’t read any of the game since yesterday morning so I didn’t find if Bear addressed it anywhere, doesn’t look like he had.
No, we all had one big chat.
So I had access to scum chat, like I could see it, but couldn’t post.
I mean if it was a mistake or not it’s fine, whatever. I’d just like to know for clarity’s sake.
Hmm yup, was playing on the backend to see if I could get your question answered while bears not around. He did make 17 roles but some are dummy roles I guess. Well I’m curious for an answer too sounds like a weird oversight.
Next place I'd go is where Bae and Malus put that green check.
In Mafiera when Pirate Bae fake claimed cop she green checked a townie.
But I was a real cop this time :(
Nothing fake about the claim! (except for the type of cop, shot count, target and result)