Lovers Thread Verelios x Apollo Suite

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  1. The Bear

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    This is the chat of Verelios and Apollo! Amazing bear love suite room! <3!

    Please do not quote posts made in this thread to the main game thread.
     
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    So here I stand, on my love boat with my british counterpart. A good day Paddington.
     
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    Hello there, Winnie.
     
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    Have your woods been deforested yet, love?
     
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    I actually forgot if that was a plot point in Paddington 2.
     
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    I would need to have seen the paddington movies to know if that comes up... shame on me
     
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    You didn't see Paddington!? My god...
     
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    I know, it’s awful. Please still love me
     
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    Of course, our love is eternal!
     
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    What are your thoughts on Dr.Stuart love?
     
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    I feel fine about Stuart, dear. I can see why people are rubbed the wrong way by his manner of posting this game, but I can’t say that it’s pinging me as scum.
     
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    I see. Then how about Nat? He doesn't seem to be any different from town Nat to me this game, although scum Nat can be mighty sneaky.
     
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    Hmm. I could easily see Nat going either way right now. He’s done a loooot of prodding, but I can’t say I have an entirely solid idea of where he stands. He’s one to keep an eye on, because when he’s scum he’s definitely super good at faking town.
     
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    Do you have any kind of strong reads yet?
     
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    Reki is new, but I feel good about them. Wish I could say more about their partner Xbro though. Zipped feels like Zipped to me. Coupled with the fact that that Fantomas is doing well enough, I think that’s a pair I’m comfortable with.

    Reading through the thread I became suspicious of Chugg, and going back through and ISOing him and SkyOdin only made me feel worse about them. They’ve given me no reason to town read them, hence my vote.
     
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    Not really sure how to feel about Coolest. He kind of softed a role with his whole “so does every pair have a power” thing earlier. Feels really icky to me, I could see a scum Coolest trying that as a gambit
     
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    Man, we're on the same wavelength. I kind of town read Reki and am feeling somewhat (!?) okay on Sorian by how laid back he's being. Chuggs is in a weird gray area. I want to believe it's just because he hasn't revved up yet but you made some good points about him in that ISO.

    As for Kalor...he makes me suspicious. There's just something about the way he's interacting that isn't genuine, with how he immediately started defending Sorian to not following up on Kits. Very odd.
     
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    Coolest is going for the weird route so that's kind of the point. I'd watch his vote patterns and scum leans to cut through the bullshit.
     
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    Kalor is a bit weird to me. Asking a lot of questions, not entirely satisfactorily answering those directed at him. The most interesting to me that I’ve found while looking at his posts though is actually a point about Geno, lol. He keeps parroting this idea that he only needs to look at one person to determine if somebody is scum. This isn’t a scumtell per se but it’s something to keep in mind IMO as the day goes on because I think it’s really foolish not to look at pairs.
     
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    That's true, I'll keep an eye out for more of that.
     
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    Oof, what's your thoughts on the leading wagons?
     
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    Not great about either. Kitsune’s team would be a better pick but I really don’t think either of them make much sense to go today. It’s concerning
     
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    And where the hell did the AB Ty4on push come from
     
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    Then who are you gunning for?
     
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    ABTY kind of just happened? I don't exactly know, it's a lot of inactivity and fluff allegations, even though they didn't stick out to me.
     
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    I mean I’d still like Chuggs out. Of the leaders it has to be Kits, because at the very least so much of the discussion D1 centered on her so we’d get that to work with as well as the flip
     
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    How likely do you think it would be that we swing a Chuggs lynch?
     
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    Lol at this point it’s pretty clear but we’re not swinging unfortunately. But nobody has really seemed all that interested in my argument against Chuggs except like...Brazil? Monkey immediately shot me down today. Honestly I would have thought it would gain more traction but everybody’s focused on their other arguments today, most of which have felt pretty weak to me
     
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    Flux thinking emoji
     
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    Well that’s upsetting
     
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    Apollo didn't reach the 10 post quota. This is an official warning about it - next time you go below 10, you will end up replaced.
     
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    That's unfortunate. So Kitslor was town all along. Now we need to analyze people who were against, or at least dragged towards it kicking and screaming since they would've known the flip already as scum.

    I'm thinking possible suspects are
    •Fantomas
    •Kyaaaaan
    •Flux

    What do you think?
     
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    Sorry about not hitting the quota. Won’t let it happen again.

    Of those candidates Flux and Fantomas stand out as being worth looking into more deeply to me. Kyan hasn’t really been on my radar much this game either way, so I’m not sure there
     
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    Yeah, I'll probably do an ISO of one tomorrow and see what you think
     
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    I think Flux mostly feels like towny Flux, but that EOD post has given me pause. I’ll definitely look into some other people and try to bounce thoughts in here before day start
     
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    Have any thoughts on Terra?
     
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    Terra? Ummm, I'm drawing a blank. He didn't really stick out much.

    What do you think of him? I'll go back and check once I get through others.
     
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    [​IMG]
    Ladies, Gentlemen, and bears of the court. Yesterday was a tragedy. I come in front of you with a troubled heart and confusion regarding our direction onward. A few things stuck out to me as off kilter, whether by design or chance, and I believe if it were by design then we might have the machinators within our midst. I present to you my first person of interest, Fantomas.

    Now I'm sure we all know the ever lovable 'Far out' Chloe stan Fantomas, but don't judge him on his bad taste in characters or what he wrongly chose in the final episode, judge him on the actions he took yesterday. Let us take a journey through D1 Fantomas.
    [​IMG]

    He opens with his usual round of questions which don't exactly get the expected response. Fantomas is unperturbed. D1 leisure? Perhaps.
    We then have some friendly conversation and tic tac toe amusement. Very Max.
    Moving on, it's finally time to Mafia. He runs out the gate pointing fingers at a one Dr. Monkey, former mentor, friend and confidant turned frenemy after a slew of betrayals. Nothing unusual from his content yet, and it's expected that he would be paying attention to the good Dr given their history. Once he picks up steam, Dr. Stuart can't get back up after a series of post slaps from Fantomas, which appear genuine. There's good posts, follow up questions and rebuttals. In regards to his pursuit of Monkey, I give him a nod because that's dedication.
    [​IMG]

    So then in the spirit of justice, let us keep a running tally for Fantomas' thoughts.
    Monkey--scummy /Stu-- Unsure

    Following up on Fran, he says that he's been feeling good about him or at least his posts. Fran--Feels good. He also seems to talk about Sorian a lot which is...odd. Not AI, just odd.
    He then writes up a reads list of a few people:
    Which is, alright? It kind of does get me confused on how little he's working with to get these impressions which he honestly acknowledges when called out. Afterwards he talks mechanics and meta for a while. It does seem innocuous enough...however I can't help thinking...

    He asks questions towards Zbeat and Fluxil but he seems to be focusing more on putting out questions than putting in thoughts ever since that read list.
    Stu is still an unsure element, so consistent.
    He then seems to be coming around with a more in depth reads list, which is pretty good for D1. Hm, he also sets ground for his Natiko suspicion, for when he votes for the Natforce pair later while making a case against them. He made an okay case.
    But then a new day rises, and here comes the turn around. On everything. Except Chloe I guess because whatever.
    Great?
    So~ Monkey/Stuart= Alright
    Natforce= Also alright

    So who looks good to Fantomas?
    Comprehensive.
    But why though?

    And it would be great...if he didn't flip flop at day end because of Uncle Sorian shouting to jump in the deep end with him.

    So a habitual backstepper was born. Every decision made these past few days slowly came undone once day end began to roll around. Was it coincidence that Sorian was the impetus? Did it matter to Fantomas who was kicked off the island since he voted with a cavalier attitude? Did he, perhaps, already know Kitslor's alignment and therefore wanted to show a noncomittal attitude to seem townie? By saying he had no interest in the lynch, he can make the case that he wouldn't have been directing a town lynch. All good questions. But first, let us ask this.

    Who is the person covertly present throughout Fantos' day and therefore interactions?
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    Is it Monkey? No. Even though he flip flopped on her, he was always blatantly involved with her.

    Is it Stuart? No. Being continuously unsure means that you're continuously drawing attention to them.

    Is it Natiko? No. An odd turn of events, but easily analyzable and therefore high profile.

    Is it Chuggs? No, they have had surprisingly little interaction.

    Is it Sorian? Why yes, yes it is.
    [​IMG]

    Look back to the beginning of Fantomas' day of Mafia, and see what he's concerned about. He's concerned about how Monkey is attacking Sorian, concerned about how Stu is framing Sorian's breadcrumb comment, and concerned about those who began doubting Sorian. At the end of the day it's no one but Sorian who convinces Fanto to switch over to Kits based on an abject 'Be cool' comment. I can safely say, being a Butz who just says yes is never cool.
    [​IMG]
    So what's going on here? Is it something more than just coincidence, something clandestine, scummy and sinister?

    The verdict is out. There is a relation!
    We'll see just what kind as the day goes on.

    Next on the list is person of interest #2 Flux, formerly called FluxWaveZ.
    [​IMG]
     
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    God this is why I love you
     
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    I try to impress love <3
     
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    This whole Zipped lip thing is sus as hell from my perspective?? This day has been massive and s train forms around *that*?? Idk lol
     
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    slip thing*
     
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    Yeah, pretty odd. I still don't trust Fanto but that wasn't a slip, and if Sorian flips town I'd be taking a real long look into Monkey.

    How did you feel about VA's last reply to Sorian? It felt disingenuous to me and very fake at that moment in time.
     
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    I definitely agree. Disingenuous is exactly how it felt.
     
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    Also sad to see townies die but happy to see We Bare Bears. Silver lining.
     
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    Haha, that's true it's a great show. Such an odd showing from Soridubs, though their laidback attitude makes sense now.

    It's great that we don't have to worry about being seen as townie so we can just get to working on finding scum, haha. Who are you looking at now?
     
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    I’m immediately interested in Kyan/Donna, Brazil/Flux, VA/rac. Also going to look deeper on Chuggernaut/SkyOdin again, as at this point I probably need to re-case them since there doesn’t seem to be that much interest in them? I want to have a better idea if I’m just on the wrong track with them or if it’s more deliberate that they’re not getting traction
     
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    I do feel like there could've been a case made for Skychugger today, it just got started way too late. I'm definitely interested in your Kyan/Donna read since they've been a blindspot for me, and all I remember of Donna is her short read list yesterday.
     
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    Okay, still need to look at Kyan, but after ISOing Donna, she is... pretty weird. Which is to say, she's almost universally town leaned everybody in the game? And on the very rare occasion she does scum read somebody, it always comes with some sort of qualifier to lessen how strongly she feels about that read. It's early days so if she's town I think I kind of get it, but it's worth keeping in mind. I 'd really like to see some scum hunting from her today.
     
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    Kyan feels fine to me, I'd say. A lot more engagement than I'd expected since honestly, Kyan has not left much of an impression on me this game.
     
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    Woah, that's something to keep in mind. So she hasn't had any hard reads all game? If D3 doesn't change something then I'm going to have to look here later.
     
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    Yeah. She harps on Coolest every now and then, but it essentially never goes beyond meta- and she even uses that same meta to backtrack on the read at some point, iirc. She kind of scum read Sorian/Dubs but seemed generally wary to fully commit to that. And we know how that flip turned out
     
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    On her reads list she mentioned a few pairs she had as neutralish. But she even walks back on some of those later on iirc back towards town leans, even if only for parts of the pairs. It’s interesting
     
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    Then I might start out by poking her today? Or should I do a two pronged approach and start poking Kyan and Donna?
     
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    I felt pretty good when I went over Kyan’s posts, so I imagine he won’t need much in the way of poking. It would definitely be worth trying to get more solid reads out of Donna though, even if she’s town. this is gonna he something people will pick up on as the game goes on I believe
     
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    Boy it’s gonna feel good whenever we end up revealing ourselves and adding a confirmed to the game
     
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    Thoughts on number of PRs? We have a lot of claims out right now, along with the dead doctors/vig...
     
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    I think someone's scum in the batch. I'd be surprised if they weren't, and I'm leaning Skychuggs as of now. Kyan...I kind of believe, yeah.
     
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    The more I think about it the more I believe Baelus is what they claim to be. Our role lets us green check ourselves at will, so that’s already extra check power for town, leading me to think 1-shot makes a great deal of sense. Whether messenger/gossip are town/scum or town/town, I also think it would support the existence of a 1-shot cop. If they’re both town then it gives townies extra powerful communication abilities on top of Baelus and our green check abilties and our already existing night chats. Especially when you consider that gossip chat can’t hide their names, so you can at the very least definitively confirm that pair’s ability. We also had a vigilante, which for better or worse would have given town another means to a check.
     
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    Between messenger and gossip I think messenger is more likely to be scum. As that comes with anonymity whilst the gossip can’t actually confirm their alignment, but people can clearly pinpoint the pair and then town has to debate alignment
     
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    Then like I said earlier there’s also the existence of the double vote and doctors on top of these roles. That’s a lot of powers for town. So I’m honestly just feeling stronger and stronger about SkyChugg being scum, but it’s hard to articulate why since our power isn’t public and we probably want to save it for when scum wants to push for us
     
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    That's true, I'm also reading Skychuggs as scum. What do you think about Monkey's push on us and Bae then from that perspective?
     
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    I’ve generally town read monkey as time has gone on, and I’ve felt pretty good about Stu throughout the game as well. Mostly because Stu’s attitude people loved to harp on early on just seemed way too aggressive and flippant for scum, and he never really attempted to change that behavior. Monkey went super hard in her arguments with Sorian and tbh while I thought bout sides of that argument are kind of dumb, they also didn’t ping me as something scum would do. Could I be eating out of the palm of their hands? Definitely.

    Their push on Bae makes sense insofar as they’re on their last legs after the previous days, and while I disagree with the conclusion, some of the individual parts of their argument have merit (chief among them, Bae should have lied about being 1-shot).

    I am a little concerned about the fact that monkey does appear to be pushing towards us a bit. That, and she’s felt a little cozy to Sky/Chuggs this game. This was apparent as early as D1 EoD, when I asked people to join me on the Chugg vote. She actually directly responded to me saying basically lolno. And then as we know, Chugg has been pushing rather hard on us, and now she’s starting to do the same.Considering a lot of why I’ve town read monkey/stu has been based on feels... well, I could actually very easily see them being scummates with SkyChugg.
     
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    Chugg has done a bit of scum reading on monkey/stu today too, but since they’re basically gonna get lunched for sure soon, if not today, it’s a super safe bus attempt. And chugg is not going after that pair with the vigor the other pairs he has for his other scum reads
     
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    I see, yeah. In a world with a Skychugg/Dr
    Stu team, who do you think their teammate would be?
     
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    I would strongly bet on one of the quieter pairs. I’d need to ISO them to be sure of my guess, but off of the top of my head Geno/Sparks, Stan/FEP and rac/VA all come to mind.
     
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    Yeah, there's likely scum there but they're not getting much attention so...

    And people keep saying they've been town reading Geno, why is that?
     
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    I kind of had a town read on Geno I hadn’t really thought of much. At least for me, big reason is his play has been intensely stubborn in a way that’s...
    extremely Geno. Terraforce noted that that’s pretty classic Geno as well, and they have a long history with each other. It’s not very strong reasoning is what I’m thinking lately
     
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    I see, Geno has been pretty null for me. There hasn't been anything to sway me onr side at least.

    So, regarding Terra, what do you like about him?
     
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    Things just got interesting!
     
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    I’ll get back to you with more detailed thoughts on terra but the long and short it is he's seemed really engaged throughout the game, and said engagement feels really genuine to me
     
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    And yeah this baelus/geno thing is definitely interesting.
     
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    Hope we can get some closure before day end
     
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    Now I'm a bit unsure about Monkey being scum. If it was a bus attempt then maybe it's true?
     
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    If there are two scum pairs remaining, I'd say there's an overwhelmingly high chance that it's one of:
    Dr.Stu
    SkyChuggs
    Fantipped
    Rexbro

    The good point is we're unlikely to be NKed tonight
     
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    Yeah we shouldn’t get killed unless we got role copped. Dr. Stu bussing isn't an impossibility (Imo their lunch was basically guaranteed to happen so like... I could see them trying). But I think they couldn’t likely have planned for what ended up happening with baelus’ lie getting caught?
     
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    That being said I do expect us to be a lunch candidate tomorrow though. We’re being more and more commonly scum read, and prior to the maintenance I cane out semi-hard in favor of Baelus’ claim
     
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    Like, I think that would be the point of Dr.Stu coming out the gate hard at Baelus D3. They likely already role copped 2 people and were basically goons, so bus them for town cred to get heat off themselves. They likely didn't think the Geno thing would happen, and that makes me believe Geno and Kyan are town.
     
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    Without Geno’s story contradicting Baelus though and that actually getting pointed out by somebody, does Baelus actually get lunched? I’m pretty sure without that there’s little chance the Dr. Stu vote doesn’t happen.
     
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    Well yeah, but, stay with me on this. Monkey opens up the day in a raw situation after engineering Soridubs lynch. Baelus has just got off their last RC (I think that's likely) check, and are effectively a goon. Now, Monkey begins bussing with the hope that she can turn public opinion around, distance herself from Baelus, or make it a thunderdome situation where town believes that whoever is on the othet side couldn't possibly be scum. That's where I'm at now.
     
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    What do? In what situation would you want to use IC?
     
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    Well based on how things look we’re probably gonna have to do it today. We could try to push things a little more though before deploying it
     
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    That's about what I'm thinking. But preferrably, before the halfway point in the day so we can look elsewhere comfortably. Is that cool?
     
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    It sounds very cool. I haven’t had a chance to check much if what’s happened today other than us getting a ton of votes, but I’ll properly check things out shortly.
     
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    Cool, cool, cool, cool

    Take your time, we're gucci
     
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    I know I’m not the best as articulating my thoughts but this is all a bit demoralizing lol
     
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    Whenever you want to shine, I'm go baby
     
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    do you mind we do because I just cannot with terraforce right now holy fucking shit
     
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    like jeeeeesus christ one of the core tenents of our community is not to question people’s schedules and he's sitting here painting me out to be a lore of shit for promising to get back to him in half an hour
     
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    a piece of shit* sorry I’m fuming and I just need to vent
     
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    Nah, no problem. You said you'd get back with reads later so it's fucked to keep on about it. Should I do it or do you want the honors?
     
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    Alright it’s done
     
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    We're in! And definitely dying tonight.
     
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    Oh totally
     
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    You were the best, lover
    [​IMG]

    And it was an honor steering this boat with you.
     
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    monkey asking us if we have a BP is kind of sus. why would she want that public
     
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    True T. I'm telling you there's scum in Monkey/Fanto, I can feel that.
     
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    Hm, nothing seems to be happening today