Lovers Thread zippedpinhead & Fantomas Suite

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  1. The Bear

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    This is the chat of zippedpinhead and Fantomas! Amazing bear love suite room! <3!

    Please do not quote posts made in this thread to the main game thread.
     
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    Anyways, on topic, interesting role.

    I haven't had one of these types of "motion detector" roles before, though I have seen them in many games. I don't think I've seen one like this yet though. What do you think our strategy is with this to get the most value out of our targets and the info we receive?
     
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    Zippedpinhead I'm a wee bit mad at Weemad

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    It should be fun, kind of a shot in the dark but people tend to use their abilities, so we can play.

    I look forward to playing with you!
     
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    Yay, same!

    I don't want to hype myself up too much, but I feel like this is going to be a really fun game lol, can't wait!
     
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    Zippedpinhead I'm a wee bit mad at Weemad

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    I was in the first love boat, but played the alternate game during the second tour of the love boat.

    I think we are in for a treat!
     
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    Zippedpinhead I'm a wee bit mad at Weemad

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    How do you want to play day 1? I usually try to lie low because of the few times I GoT day 1 lynched.

    I’m ok with either massive amounts of posts or just a few high quality post.
     
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    Eh, I'm trying to go for a more laid back approach until I see the first Scum flip lately, but that also got me shot by Scum on N1 in my last game, so I don't know haha.

    I'll probably be going more towards the fewer but higher quality posts side of things.

    So far my early hot take is that Monkey is Scum, but I'm biased lol.
     
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    Of course, as soon as I say this, I start joining in the shit posts lol.
     
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    Zippedpinhead I'm a wee bit mad at Weemad

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    Isn’t that what day1 is all about, anyways?
     
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    I decided to poke Monkey lol.

    Not sure what to think of her responses there, but I will be keeping a close watch on her and Stu. I don't trust her.
     
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    I feel like most of the arguments going on right now I'm just kind of indifferent towards I guess? Kits and Sorian are probably both Town, but I think Stu has had some suspect posts. Though I do fully admit that I always scum read Stu on D1, it's like impossible for me to not do it lol.

    Super early still of course, but still, this game is going so fast lol pretty much what I expected so far.
     
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    Zippedpinhead I'm a wee bit mad at Weemad

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    Argh today has been frustrating and hopefully tomorrow is better. My participation will increase tomorrow, just had a busy day at work today
     
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    Zippedpinhead I'm a wee bit mad at Weemad

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    I’m going to play dumb this day phase. Lot of late takes and confusion.

    Some of that is genuine, because the board is moving faster than I ever thought it could.

    Some is me trying to see who turns that into a “fanto and zipped must be scum because zipped is doing the low post count thing” which I have found indicates scum FAR more than the low post count indicating scum.
     
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    Haha, right on.

    I'm kind of still trying to find my footing in the game here, I still feel like I'm just not interested in a lot of the topics coming up, or that I agree with people generally so I don't have much more to add or disagree with.
     
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    Zippedpinhead I'm a wee bit mad at Weemad

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    Where did you get the shortened team names from? Just something fun or did someone post them?
     
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    Zippedpinhead I'm a wee bit mad at Weemad

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    Yeah the whole z-beats thing was boring and I truly got lost when I posted last night here about the busy day yesterday. Still digging but it’s huge.

    So much fun, so much chaos
     
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    Oh yeah, Fran made a list of pair nicknames for us lol.

    Katsune
    Verollo
    Tybro
    S-Dubs
    Frando
    Natforce
    Pirate Malus
    Dr Stuart
    BrawaveZ
    Rincent
    Funky Dude Geno
    CoolestBeat
    TheSkyChugger
    Rexbro
    FlatearthStan
    Fantopinhead
    Kyonna
     
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    I feel like its going to take me a bit to formulate some actual D1 reads here just because of how many people are in this damn game haha.

    I'll try to start dropping some of my not-ready-for-primetime reads in here though, just to bounce stuff off of you.

    I'm totally unsure of my read on Monkey/Stu, others are dropping by to agree with that assessment though, but I don't know if I should be trusting myself or not.

    I'm mainly just waiting to see more activity from the people who haven't been posting, because I feel like I need to see how others are reading the game to get a read on them, that's how I usually roll on D1 at least.
     
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    Sorian could be Scum here. I'm going to start paying attention to him a bit more, and maybe try to interact with his partner B-Dubs some when he shows up again to see if I can get a better read there, since Sorian is just Sorian all the time, but something might feel a bit different this time, and I haven't played with Scum Sorian yet.
     
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    Sorian is playing his standard day 1, I’m guessing he could be scum but it feels more business as usual.

    I don’t get what monkey is tryin to get from me. Usually I go hard on mechanics talk, but this game type is known, not too much guess work until something different happens.

    It’s very different. I’m not sure different is a scum tell but it’s different.

    Brazil i need to look better into. Something about how many posts gets me
     
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    Monkey is just an enigma for me. I can be so god damn sure that she has to be Town, and then she just winds up being the biggest Scum ever lol. I'll be doing my best to get a real read on her, don't think I actually want to take her out on D1.

    Brazil I feel ok about, he was busy during the last game too so his post count doesn't worry me too much, I want to see what he's bringing forth for reads more, and they seem legit to me so far.
     
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    Well, I did my best to sort out my thoughts here so far in that huge read list I just posted. For D1 it's about as good as I can do for now with so many different people and so many posts to sift through.
     
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    Zippedpinhead I'm a wee bit mad at Weemad

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    What did I miss that is causing people to say monkey lied?
     
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    That's just Geno's take. I think she had made a post in Stu's defense, and Geno is taking umbrage with it. It was post #969
    I'm not sure tbh, I'm feeling better about Monkey here, like I would probably want to defend you as well if we were in the lead in votes because people were scum reading you for the same thing, since I know you're Town, so I get it. So at least, I wouldn't want her and Stu gone on D1 I don't think.
     
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    Do you have a take on Geno by the way? I actually don't have much of a meta on him even though I've played with him a few times, he's always died early so I never really remember much about him.
     
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    Natiko might be Scum. It sucks because I can't really say the same thing about Terra because he doesn't ping me as much, but there are some Natiko posts that trouble me.
     
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    Ok, here's my secret reads before I go to bed.



    Currently, feeling pretty good about the Dr. Stuart team. They would be knocking it out of the park as Scum right now in my opinion, which isn't past them, they're very good players, and no matter how many times I say I am town reading Dr. Monkey I never truly am, but I don't want to vote there today.

    Natiko I'm feeling better about after I pushed him and got some interaction there, but I don't fully trust him yet. I don't think anyone is really going to vote there today though.

    Sorian is honestly giving me worse vibes than I have ever got from him in the past. Maybe it's just that I have not been impressed at all by his reads in the last few games, so when I see him yelling about who he thinks is Scum now, it's more like seeing a child yelling about the toy they want. (I really hope he reads this after the game lmao)

    Pirate Bae is... fucking weird lol. She is somewhat behaving like she did in MafiEra when she was Scum, but that's the only time I've played with her. I'm somewhat interested in the votes being dropped on her now though, would be hilarious if she's Scum again lol but I actually think she might be Town. Need more from Malus still though.

    I'd probably be fine with a vote on anyone in the realm of: Kalor/Kitsune, Geno/Sparks, Panda/Stan, or mayyyyybe Coolest/Z-Beat, or even Sorian/B-Dubs but only if I'm feeling extra spicy for a D1 vote. I could also maybe be convinced to vote for Ty4on, but I would need to completely divorce him from AB in my mind because I like AB.
     
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    I think I'm pretty stuck on my Ty vote here for now compared to the other vote leaders, I don't really feel the need to move it for now. I think the only way I might entertain another one, barring some extraordinary claim, is if Sorian actually becomes a vote at EoD because that would be spicy as fuck lol.

    Of course, based on plenty of historical precedents, I wouldn't be surprised if this EoD will somehow turn into an absolute shitfest and we will all be scrambling for votes with like 10 minutes to go because lol I love this community.
     
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    Zippedpinhead I'm a wee bit mad at Weemad

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    I want to say thank you for carrying my sorry behind this day phase. We had layoffs at work yesterday, and while I wasn’t affected it was some rough stuff yesterday and picking up the pieces today.

    I promise I will be more active nex day phase.

    Who are we voting for?
     
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    Hi, no problem, and yeah that sounds rough :(

    I am voting for Ty4on right now as I feel that's a better option than the others at the top of the vote list right now.
     
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    Zippedpinhead I'm a wee bit mad at Weemad

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    I can get behind that.

    But I do agree, I’m sure this end of day is going to be ridiculous
     
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    So the soft PR claim from Bae/Malus. Part 1 of the shitshow.

    People are going to doubt it because she faked a Cop claim last time when she was Scum and lived for days until we caught her, but I agree with Sorian that it's dumb to vote out the PR claim on D1.
     
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    Ohhhhhhhhhh lol I think she's the actual Cop this time lmao. She posted that Detective Pikachu gif earlier, and that other fucking gif too, oh my god lmao!
     
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    Zippedpinhead I'm a wee bit mad at Weemad

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    Oh boy.... do I need to vote?
     
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    I don't think so but it wouldn't hurt.

    ~15 minutes left and most people have consolidated on the Ty4on/Absolutbro train where I already was, so I'm fine with where things are going. Kits/Kalor isn't the worst thing to happen if people end up going there instead though, I don't think I'm really against either of these two for D1.
     
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    I switched my vote to Kits/Kalor, I'm honestly fine with either.
     
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    Ok, I think the vote count was 12-11 when Bear ended the day, so yeah it was probably good that you joined my vote there at the last minute.
     
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    Oh no wait, I think it was 13-11, but still, that was close for sure.
     
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    And yeah, Vanilla Town, womp womp. Honestly not sure if we would have got any better from Ty and AB. Unfortunate that Bae had to claim if she actually is telling the truth this time.

    I don't know if I'll put in too much work during the night phase in terms of combing over the thread since we didn't get a Scum flip, that always seems to burn me out hard and doesn't really net me anything useful in the end in my experience.

    I think the important thing will be to make sure we have some different trains tomorrow and we don't let things just devolve into "well I wanted them dead on D1, so I still want them dead on D2" because that mentality has hurt Town a lot recently. We should try to push for everyone to reassess their reads and try to find Scum in the group, not just rely on their old reads from D1.

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    As for who we should target tonight with our ability, that's something I'm definitely open to discussing. Do you think we should try to target someone who we think might be Scum? I'm not exactly sure what the strategy for this role should be since we don't really get definitive info on where the movement came from.
     
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    I'll put some general thoughts down now on the votes I suppose, just for something to think about at least.

    (Also, I might say that I'm not going to do much digging, but knowing me, I will still probably make a good number of posts in here overnight, so like I have told all of my private chat partners in the past, prepare for some large posts from me in here lol)

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    The first thing of note to me are the non voters. B-Dubs, Flatearthpandas, and Vincent did not vote. Vincent did have a vote on Bae, but removed it after her claim and then did not put it on either of the other two leaders. Dubs and FEPs were not around very often, and I don't think either of them really expressed any strong feelings anyways, so they really just had nothing.

    The other people voting off the top two wagons were:
    Geno and Sparks, who stayed together on Monkey/Stu.
    Donna and Rac, who both left their votes on Bae/Malus.
    SkyOdin, who voted for Fran/Fandorin.
    Stuart, who voted for Sorian/Dubs.
    Z-Beat, who voted for Apollo/Verelios.

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    And now for some rambling thoughts on the players:


    Verelios/Apollo - How townie are they actually? I remember realizing that a lot of what Vere was doing was asking around and kind of shading different people here and there, but not giving many of his own reads. However, this is what Faddy was calling him out for on D1 in the last game, and Vere was Town there, so it's probably not very alignment indicative for him.

    Ty4on/Absolutbro - Probably not going to be too concerned with returning here immediately tomorrow, but they are worth watching in case they did just slip through the cracks there at EoD.

    Sorian - Mastermind Scum? I kind of doubt it, but I could maybe see it. His EoD actually improved my thoughts on him, because he was making some decent points and definitely trying to shut down some of the bad discussions, like lynching the PR claim, that were coming up. But that's all NAI, Sorian will do whatever.

    Fran/Fandorin - Still pretty sure on this town read tbh, but I'm willing to reassess if anything starts looking strange from them tomorrow.

    Natiko/Terraforce - Feeling ok about this pair still I guess, but I would consider it more of a null read than Town read tbh.

    Pirate Bae/Malus - If they survive the night, Bae will almost certainly tell us that she's a Cop tomorrow, the breadcrumbs were real. Scum almost certainly have a Roleblocker though, or else a Strong Kill, so I doubt we'll actually get a result from them, which is sad.

    Monkey/Stuart - Stuart basically dropped off after a while, but hopefully he'll be able to get back to his normal pace on D2. Monkey I am worried about, there were some posts from her at EoD that were just... Ohhhhhhh I swear to god Monkey if you are Scum again, jesus fucking christ.

    Brazil/Flux - Flux is an oddball, but honestly there isn't much outside of how I would expect him to play. I think Sorian made an interesting point about his meta read on Flux, being that cool/collected Flux is usually Scum, but Flux rebutted that by saying he's trying to be less emotional now in games just generally, which is something I feel since I'm trying to do the same thing. As for Brazil, I wish we could get the more active Brazil that I love playing with. I'm having a tough time here because sometimes I think he is making good points, but then other times I get the sense that he doesn't fully buy his own arguments, so I'm conflicted.

    Rac/Vincent - Rac is a performance artist. Vincent seems fine so far, I expect I should get a better read on him tomorrow, but honestly, I'm pretty solidly leaning Town on this boat solely based on that post where Rac went and grabbed a bunch of quotes from Pirate Bae to explain his scum read on her. When Rac and I had a love boat together in MafiEra, that was exactly what he did. He would grab quotes and put them in the boat chat, ask me about his reads and how I was feeling, then go into the thread and drop a vote without saying a word about why he was doing it. His advice to me was "Never show your work" lmao.

    Sparks/Geno - Meh. There is no read to be had on Sparks, and I suppose Geno is being his usual self. I do think Geno went in on the Stuart/Monkey vote way too hard and came into at a really opportunistic time too, which makes me raise an eyebrow that way, but we'll see what happens tomorrow.

    Coolest/Z-Beat - I was honestly tempted to start a train here at EoD with Kyan when he voted there for a moment, I think Monkey also said she'd be down with that swerve, but we didn't make it happen. I might start tomorrow by pressuring this spot a bit, couldn't hurt.

    SkyOdin/Chuggernaut - Eh, Chugg seems normal, and I've liked enough of Odin's posts even though he hasn't been around as often as Chugg. One of these days though, Chugg is going to be Scum and totally blow us all away because I swear to god if he can act the same way as Scum then we will never find him lol.

    Reki/Xbro - Pretty good town read here too tbh. Reki's first game, though they have spectated a few in the past so they have some experience with the game and the community even though they haven't hopped in a game yet. I think Xbro has made some great posts though even though he hasn't made too many. In fact, I will go so far as to don this pair with my patented "Town as Fuck" read, which I have not been bestowing on people recently, but I am that sure on this one.

    FEPS/Stan - Interesting pair. Their timezone differences can make activity and engagement with them difficult for those of us in the western hemisphere, so I think people tend to forget about them or write them off as either Town or Scum because of that. I've seen Stan get town read on like D2 and then not even have to post really because no one was interested in going after him and he was barely around when everyone else was awake lol. My point here is, don't forget about these two and engage with them, because they could very well be Scum. I will want to see a lot more from FEPs tomorrow for sure, he is a very astute Town player, and I expect at least some decent reads to come from him if he's Town even on D2.

    Kyan/Donna - Nothing out of the ordinary here, tbh. Donna seems fine, and I actually hope she gets to make it deeper into a game this time because she always seems to be the recipient of some early, and bad, scum reads. Kyan though, he's great lol. As a member of the Kyaaaa fan club, and his one-time Mason Buddy in GTA Mafia, I am willing to bestow an early town lean on him here because he has been making the usual kind of posts I expect from him and I'm not quite sensing fakery from him yet.

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    Whew, so there you go, first mega post of the boat chat from me lol you can rest assured that it will not be the last either. But perhaps the only one for this night phase at least.

    I'll be back later to discuss some possible targets for our night action here.
     
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    So, as far as who we could target:

    I guess I don't have any super sick scum reads coming out of that EoD, so I would probably think to target within the group of D1 players that were being mentioned as possible Scum. That would include:

    Ty4on/AB
    Sorian/B-Dubs
    Monkey/Stu
    Brazil/Flux
    Geno/Sparks
    Coolest/Z-Beat
    FEPs/Stan

    Personally, I think I'd try to target someone more on the lowkey side so as to hopefully keep down the chances that we get movement detected by someone targeting them, rather than them using an action.

    So, in that case, I'd probably point to Coolest/Z-Beat or FEPs/Stan to target, I think both would be pretty good options. I also think both could find their way to being on the chopping block, so having any kind of info on what's going on there at night could prove useful in the coming days.

    Otherwise, if we're not too worried about that stuff, I'd maybe look to Sorian/B-Dubs or Brazil/Flux. I feel like Ty/AB or Monkey/Stu might get shot by a Vig or some shit if we have one out there, so I kind of want to avoid those spots at first.

    Let me know what you think, and of course any other reads/thoughts/vote analysis/whatever you got! :)
     
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    My read list for the moment is still looking pretty Null for the most part honestly. There are a few town reads I feel somewhat confident in though.

    The people I am leaning Town on at the moment are:
    Pirate Bae/Malus (assuming the claim is real)
    Vere/Apollo
    Fran/Fandorin
    SkyOdin/Chugg
    Reki/Xbro

    For these, it's mainly that I feel townish thoughts about both of the partners, so it makes me lean Town a bit more than on some other couples out there.

    Everyone else, I'm basically just like "Meh, we'll see what happens on D2 I guess" because I'm not really feeling too strongly one way or the other on them this early. Unless you have anything good on someone that is, I'll totally take a closer look at anything you picked up on.
     
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    I can get behind using our ability on FEPs/Stan.

    Sorian is like a lightning rod, so we might get some traction but we also might get too much traction.

    I like the idea of doing it to a more low key player team.
     
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    Right on, I'm down for that, seems like a good idea.

    I can just send in the command to Bear now, and then if we suddenly decide otherwise I'll just change it.
     
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    Sounds like a plan!
     
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    Can we submit here?

    Detect:flatearthpandas and stantastic
     
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    You can send command here (use highlights though), but Fanto sent me the same command long ago.
     
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    Oh ok, I wasn't sure if it worked like Scum Chat in here or not, but yeah I sent Bear a PM yesterday.

    We'll just put it in here from now on so we both know it was sent.
     
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    Ok no problem, just wanted to make sure it got locked in by the wire!
     
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    NIGHT 1 RESULTS

    You didn't detect any motion from your target.
     
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    Mmk, I guess that makes me feel slightly better about FEPs/Stan, though it's not a certain green check, it eliminates some possibilities at least. We can decently assume they didn't kill anyone, for example, outside of maybe one specific role where they wouldn't be detected while doing that.

    At the least, our info is that FEPs/Stan did not target, and were not targeted, on N1.
     
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    Yeah, it’s good info. As far as I can think, it eliminates everything except the one situation where FEP/Stan are ninja
     
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    Yeah, it's likely they aren't a Roleblocker for example, or some kind of investigative Scum role, since those types of roles would have been used for sure.
     
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    Feeling a bit awkward so far here today, I'm not sure how to approach things because I'm just not very confident in my reads. Which is definitely a "me" thing, since I can normally give a lot of reads, but I've been so wrong in so many games lately that it's hard for me to commit because I don't trust myself much anymore.
     
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    Catching a few scum reads here, which makes sense, I'm pretty weak in this game and my EoD was pretty shitty.
     
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    End of day 1 is the least informative day in every mafia game I have played. The fact that Vere and Natiko are playing that up bothers me.
     
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    We didn’t play anything but the hand we got.

    I’m downplaying the whole thing. We do have one thing in our pocket.

    We know we aren’t scum

    So based on that the other players must be misinformed OR they are actively trying to kill us because they are scum.
     
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    It always seems like I am scum read in these games.


    Ironically, the games I’m not scum read are the games where I am scum.

    This ALWAYS leads me to believe that the people trying to get me are likely scum, because town sure doesn’t target me when I am scum...
     
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    Yeah, I'll try to reassess some stuff here after I eat.

    So far the scum reads on us seem to be coming in from Natiko, Vere, and I think someone else mentioned me too, and they are all based on me flipping my vote to someone else who I thought had an equal chance of being Scum on D1 as where my vote had been before.
     
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    Exactly, it’s baseless.

    Through in a bunch of fancy Phoenix Wright gifs and a lot of words. And it’s still not a good read. Because we know it’s wrong.

    Shake it off we can get through this and maybe dig some good dirt up
     
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    I feel weird about both Natiko and Brazil so far today. Verelios a bit, but only for that amazingly long and wrong read which basically amounted to "I think him and Sorian are Scum together" which is not true at all lol.
     
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    If the Scum team is ever revealed to contain exactly Monkey, Natiko, Flux, and Chugg all together, remind me to go jump off a bridge after this game lol.
     
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    Any thoughts on the day so far? Would definitely be interested on any thoughts you have on Natiko/Sorian/Monkey.
     
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    And/or their partners, Terraforce/B-Dubs/Stu.
     
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    Personally, these latest questions from Terra are just seeming more and more pointless to me, and it makes me feel better about my vote.
     
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    Here's a work-in-progress read list for me for today so far, just so you can see where my thoughts are at right now.

    Townish:
    Ty/AB
    Pirate Bae/Malus
    Monkey/Stu
    Sky/Chugg
    FEPs/Stan

    Re-examining:
    Vere/Apollo
    Reki/Xbro

    Nullish:
    Brazil/Flux
    Rac/Vincent
    Geno/Sparks
    Kyan/Donna

    Scummish:
    Sorian/B-Dubs
    Natiko/Terra
    Coolest/Z-Beat
     
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    I think you are right on about Natiko and terra. Their play has been all over the place and just doesn’t seem right.

    Sorian I’m still willing to give the benefit of the doubt on, but the dial back from the out the gates blazing means more and more to me that they are scum.

    Coolest and z-beats? I need to reread. I’ll see what I can dig up.

    Your town list looks good to me. Definite town vibes from all of them. I’d probably move Brazil/ flux up on my list as well. Just like how they are playing so far.
     
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    I'm cooling down a bit on Coolest/Z-Beat just because if Natiko is Scum then that was totally a fake read from him there when he dropped that vote on them. I kind of want to see his flip first.
     
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    Yeah I agree. Scum Natiko/terra would make a lot of thing easier to unpack.
     
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    I do find it interesting that both Natiko and Terra seem to get like uber offended at me for scum reading them. No one else is voting them, hardly anyone else even mentions them in a scummy way, but I do so I just get royally attacked by them lol.
     
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    Ok, so CoolestSpot just used a Double Vote, so that's a pretty verifiable claim right there, and I would have a hard time seeing that as a Scum role here.
     
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    Add Vere/Apollo into my suspect pool, I convinced myself pretty well when looking back on Vere's posts today that something might be fishy there.
     
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    Oh, I figure since we can assume that the Chat Thieves are out there, it might be best to at least talk a bit about who we would want to target before the night phase starts in case one of us is stolen away for the night.

    I would still say to go for people that we don't think other Town/Scum PRs would be targeting, that way we can feel better about the results being about them rather than about someone else targeting them.

    I'll try to get some more thoughts on some possible targets in a bit, but just wanted to throw that out there for now.
     
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    I agree, while I’m probably not a target, you sure could be.

    If that’s just a slight scum read, I think apollo’s Team might be s good target movement would mint really tell us much but inaction would help similar to Night 1

    Another good one might be vere’s Team
     
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    I'm kind of trying to shake things up here at EoD now by moving my vote. I would say don't feel the need to double up on mine but it couldn't hurt, it's just that I might be moving it around a bit here as we get close to EoD because I want there to be a different train that isn't just Sorian vs. Monkey for today.

    ----

    Also yes, Vere/Apollo wouldn't be a bad target. I was also thinking Kyan/Donna, as they seem lowkey and inoffensive enough that I could see them either being Scum laying low or even a good Town PR that we could help to somewhat confirm later if they claim movement and we see it. Otherwise we could get no movement and probably write them off as likely Vanilla, which is also good.
     
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    Maybe not Kyan/Donna now, since they've become somewhat of a topic here now. Vere/Apollo would maybe be a good idea if I do get snatched away by the chat thieves and we can't discuss any more during the night though.
     
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    The irony of course is if Vere/Apollo are the chat thieves lol.
     
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    Well of course.

    Also we don’t mention our ability in the chat thieves chat. We vanilla
     
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    Oh for sure, I don't trust that it's a Town ability. Like I said in the thread, I have been unwillingly placed into a night chat before, and it was not a Town player that did it to me lol.
     
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    Lol at this bullshit going on right now.
     
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    I'll claim if this gets out of control
     
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    I don't think it will though.
     
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    Monkey wtf, is she Scum?
     
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    Sorry what the hell in the shit did they infer from my post
     
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    They thought that you already knew that B-Dubs was Town because you said "when" instead of "if"
     
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    It was extremely dumb
     
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    I think it could be Scum team trying to make us look bad after they already knew that Sorian would flip Town. Hence why I think Monkey's post there looked REALLY shady
     
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    I'll be combing through there and see who the instigators were.
     
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    That is, if Sorian does flip Town. If he's Scum, idk, probably last ditch bullshit.
     
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    If he does flip scum, I’m betting scum tosses us out. Since why would Sorian try so hard to bus us if we were scum too.
     
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    Ok yeah, there's the Town flip.

    Ugh, I am kind of frustrated right now, and may have just fucked things up a bit there. My reads are pretty bad right now. Monkey is probably Scum though, I don't buy her shit one bit anymore now that Sorian was Town.

    God dammit Sorian, why did you go out like that? Our reads were aligned, now everyone is going to want my head in the name of avenging you, jesus fuck.
     
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    So I can buy that Sorian was being legit when he was saying something was off about both Monkey/Stu and Natiko/Terra, this is good at least.
     
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    I have a bad feeling that Monkey and Natiko could be Scum together.
     
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    Ugh, I don't want to get this invested in a game before a Scum flip has shown up, but god dammit I'm probably going to do a lot of digging overnight. I need to have a comprehensive Scum read on Monkey for tomorrow, and another one on Natiko, because my gut is really telling me something is off there now with Sorian being Town.
     
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    People will want to vote for us, and they probably will tomorrow, but I think we have some allies out there still.

    Geno will want Monkey, he seemed pretty Townish when he came back.

    FEPs seems fine with us, I'm almost wondering if he picked up the breadcrumb I dropped about targeting them on N1 that I don't think I mentioned in here lol. I tagged him and Stan for thoughts and put a line about "not seeing much movement from you two" in there, which FEPs is a sharp player so he might have picked up what I was putting down there.

    This is just off the top of my head for people who thought that shit was dumb at EoD, I think Apollo also said it was dumb.

    Now the flip side of this is that Scum would know we aren't Scum and therefore want to look smart by saying we're Town and that wasn't a slip. So I don't want to get too carried away here. But still, I would expect Monkey to shut down bullshit like that at EoD and she was all about it, that felt way to fucking weird to me.
     
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    And if anyone really wants to come at me and say I was being Scummy at EoD for looking for alternative wagons when no one was moving their votes around at all, ok, fine, what was my agenda? Sorian had like 9 votes on him, I was trying to see if anyone would go for anything else, apparently the answer was "No, but holy shit look at that post from Zipped, let's all vote for him and Fanto now because they are obviously Scum and we've been tricked!" Lmao. For the love of god, if everyone involved in that was Town...

    Also, for the record, I have not been mislynched so far. Town has only killed me when I was Scum, otherwise I live to end game or get shot by Scum. So if this is how I go out, oh boy, I will have a bone to pick with Town in this game, because they better be able to come up with a real Scum read on me, even if it's wrong as fuck, if they want to vote for this train, I'm not going to let any shitty votes concerning you get away with it.
     
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    Well they didn’t flip scum, bummer.

    Well I think with coolestspot doing that whole are you serious we could look st their group.

    I think Vincent with his late vote might also be a good watcher target
     
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    Ok, I need to settle down lol.

    I do expect to have to deflect some major bullshit tomorrow though while also trying to lay out my own Scum reads, so it's going to be a thing.
     
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    I’m sorry it’s my fault. I get mislynched all the time as town. It’s one of those frequent things that just kind of happen.

    I’m not sure why certain people always think I’m scummy,