Gossip Thread The cage of the stolen... (Night 5)

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  1. The Bear

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    Fantomas has been stolen by a pair of thieves! Whatever may this mean?

    This chat is to be used between the thieves, and Fantomas until the end of the night phase.
     
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    Yo.

    The command tyvm.

    and can you see your chat teehee~
     
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    And the rules of the pocket chat are as follows:

    1) post the command now so we can actually have a discussion, pick the target you think is da best
    2) we want you to post the command again shortly before the commands are locked, the best would be like few minutes before
    3) the thing is TBA for now, fulfilling 1) helps with it for sure
     
  4. Fantomas

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    Oh shit! The scum flip and it was a 1-Shot Ninja! SHE ACTUALLY FAKE GREEN CHECKED HER PARTNER LMAO!!!!


    Ok, yes helloooo!

    I cannot see the chat! This is the only one I can see!

    My command, yes.

    DETECT: Kyanrute and empressdonna
     
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    wait what?

    You know we don't move at night.
     
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    Oh ok, sorry. I just thought you wanted to see if the command was real at first.

    I would have said we should check Natiko since he's the only Vanilla claimant left. However, is he really Scum with AB here?

    I don't know. Zipped brought up at EoD possibly checking Coolest/LP because they should be Vanilla so getting movement there would be a thing, and he really loves his JOAT theory.

    I guess for now I would have to say to put it on FEPs/Stan as they were heavily in favor of AB being Town here?

    DETECT: Stantastic and Flatearthpandas
     
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    Only one left we haven't checked*
     
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    Do you really have unlimited shots?
     
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    Yep.
     
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    Okay so are we thinking d1 was ninja then?

    I was thinking that myself earlier using your previous checks.
     
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    Or d2 on the doctors might make more sense
     
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    No way Natiko and Terra are scum with abso. They would've bussed two of their mates from the game start.
     
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    Unless Natiko and Terra really stacked their votes on their teammate on D1, I don't think I can see them being Scum here with AB, right?

    Out of the other people left alive, SkyChugg and FEPs/Stan each only had one of their pair's votes on AB/Ty.

    Then Monkey voted Kits/Kalor and Stu was off on Sorian.

    I really wonder who the final Scum are here among that group, unless it actually is Coolest/LP with the weird JOAT theory.
     
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    I feel like with us revealing ninja that should blow out the JOAT theory... right?
     
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    I think this flip puts great pressure on you to deliver tonight, Fanto.

    You saved abso and Ty D1.
    You bussed Bae on D3.
    You haven't seen anything so far.
    You checked Doc Stu lol.
    Scum are lacking in power roles, guess what you are?
     
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    Yeah, I never really bought it in the first place, Zipped was all about it though in our boat at EoD.
     
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    Also :( pretty sure rip us haha
     
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    Yeah, I know you said I am highly likely to be Scum here if AB was, but I'm not man, I don't know what more to say because your case is fine, I can't really argue it other than to say my votes were not based on knowing the alignments of AB/Ty or Bae, and that Zipped wanted to check Doc Stu on N4, and argued against my idea of checking Nat/Terra with me, because he thought Monkey/Stu and Rac/Vincent were Scum together, which I thought was very farfetched but he had finally shown up and started getting active in our night chat so I didn't want to just tell him no and force things to go my way.

    That's about all I've got. I can see how you interpret events the way you do though.
     
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    My guess for the solution is SkyChugger / Fantozipped and Stanpandas for the possible 4th meanie.
     
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    Yeah, I'm pretty sure either you or Zipped and I will die tonight now that we know it was just a 1-shot Ninja. If Scum is in the Vanillas they are afraid that we could find them tonight now for sure.
     
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    The Stanpandas thing has implications of Chuggs being town. Chuggs also switched from Bae to abso. Chuggs is town.

    Stan and pandas should be scum. If they flip as a goon though, there needs to be more.
     
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    So Vere/Apollo, Kyan/Donna, Coolest/LP. This is the core of Town claims.

    Messengers and Motion Detectors are the ones that are up in the air, though you two at least know I'm not lying about the role itself now.

    The Vanilla claims left are:

    Nat/Terra
    Monkey/Stu
    FEPs/Stan

    Order of Scum likelihood of all suspects from my perspective? I would say probably:

    SCUM
    FEPs/Stan
    SkyChugg
    Monkey/Stu
    Nat/Terra
    TOWN

    That's my list here just thinking about all the worlds I've built out and what made sense to me looking at a shit ton of stuff last night in boat chat and then where my mind has found itself wandering today.
     
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    We only can assume that you have a role with a command. What that role and the command do, is still up in the air.
     
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    Right, I just mean in the world where I was lying about having a PR in general, which I think had been brought up today though maybe not by you.
     
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    Oh and I forgot the most important rule:

    0) If you are scum and you or your mates chose to kill us, please post the command here. I think it'd be funny.
     
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    Not sure I mentioned that, I think I should've. At least I thought it possible with all the non-movement hits.
     
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    And we are not BP or anything lol, I just really want to get chocolate ice creamed one day.
     
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    Just for post-game since I don't expect you to believe me when I say it, if I was actually Scum here, I would have posted the Kill on you right away and just claimed Scum lol.
     
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    What on earth is this then? Some mad thing where Stan and Feps beg for town karma by bussing an another team mate instead of abso? And then they have a hidden PR as well because no way goon + messenger is enough for meanies here.

    You fit the meanie gang really well, you know.
     
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    "Let's kill the messengers, they've outlived their usefulness anyway, and get some town karma for us and abso at the same time."

    Is that it?
     
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    I think the easy answer is the one I laid out at the start of the day today, which is the "You Coast, You Toast" world, where AB and FEP/Stan were just coasting along through everything here.

    If there is a final partner after a FEPs/Stan flip, then it almost has to be either SkyChugg or Monkey/Stu. Or me, from your perspective, yes. I would be astonished if it is Monkey/Stu at this point, SkyChugg have some things have felt weird through the game so I wouldn't be surprised there, but yeah the bussing from FEPs/Stan would be a thing. I guess just to get maximum distance here when they are all in the final suspect pool?
     
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    I need a night to think about this. I just flipped from thinking you are the arch-scum to considering that it might be possible that you aren't. This is not the 1st time this has happened this game and you are not the only person with whom it has happened.

    though is there a world here where donna and i did not talk with at least two meanies, i wonder, no, that i will not consider before zzz, no stop, brain, stop.
     
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    I'm going to go eat pretty soon, but I'm not sure what other work I would want to put in over the weekend night phase here.

    I am down to discuss everything though.

    But really I'm just looking at FEPs/Stan and SkyChugg now, likely in that order. Nat/Terra are essentially clear here, and I would honestly only consider Monkey/Stu in LyLo at this point.
     
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    I'm going to head to bed soon but before I do:

    - In a pirateabs4Skystandas world, we can assume n1 ninja did kill, bae checked someone probably doctors, skychug did message, stan did nothing
    n2 ? did kill, bae checked ?, skychug did message
    n3 ? did kill, skychug did message
    n4 ? did kill, skychug did message
     
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    if tonight is also message from skychug, again we have no clue who did kill XD
     
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    If your check comes back with nothing I mean
     
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    I hope that made sense haha. I hope it does come back with stan/fep :(
     
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    Yes, I definitely hope that is the case, it would make things so easy if we just get a movement result there tonight.

    Also, if the Messengers are Town here, I would think the correct move for them tonight, with the claims we have on the board, is to either not send a message at all, or I guess maybe to send it to me and Zipped, so as not to interfere with any movement that we can detect tonight anywhere else, because it would have to be coming from Scum.
     
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    still awake, ended up feeling hungry and grabbed a snack.

    Hopefully they have thought about that :(.
     
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    Looking back at that read list that AB posted, I really do think the partner for him is Stan/FEPs, and that's why it felt so weird there when he said he was leaning towards them at the end instead of Nat/Terra who he seemed to have a ton of words about. I knew that felt weird for some reason, and it was probably because he already knew FEPs/Stan were Scum.

    FEPs, on the other hand, spent most of the day hard defending AB as Town and trying to work himself in amongst the "solvers" in the room like Donna, Monkey, and myself, even though as Kyan noted in the thread, his questions and concerns never really amounted to any conclusions, or even a vote.

    And then towards EoD, when Stan said he thought the remaining Scum was going to be AB and Nat/Terra if it wasn't SkyChugg... What? He clearly wasn't paying attention to the fact that that pairing makes no sense at all to anyone who is actually Town here lol, it feels like he was just throwing out a Vanilla name to go with his partner.

    I can take a look back on SkyChugg as well in a bit, but even just a brief look at FEPs/Stan has me pretty convinced of their scumminess here now. They are just the most likely partners here I think.
     
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    Messengers must send a message, otherwise they must tank the "ZOMG THEY SENT THE KILL INSTEAD KILLLLLLLL" argument.
     
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    8 teams left
    6 teams tomorrow

    originally the thought was 3 scum teams total (2 remaining prior to abs kill).

    so it could be 5 vs 1, lunch the right pair, game won or the slightly more worrying scenario of 4 vs 2.
     
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    oh ah i messed that up
     
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    7 teams left tomorrow, so 6 vs 1 or 5 vs 2
     
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    I'm looking at Feps' argument about how D1 went. Needless to say, it stinks. He looks at the wrong part of the votes. abso and Ty were saved, not just by Sorian's charging cavalry and some dumdum townies of whom some are right here, but also by the scum team. Bae's softclaim dropped her from the races and only Stan was on the bus. Baelus were on the safe train, abso and Ty avoided voting until later in order not to seem like they'd be trying to influence votes too much and the presumed scum Feps avoided voting but he could've maybe done it.
     
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    so worse case scenario... we can go 6 vs 1, 4 vs 1, 2 vs 1 -> lose if we don't guess right

    or 5 vs 2 -> 3 vs 2 -> lose if we don't guess right.
     
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    no wait.. umm

    if it ends in 3 vs 2 and we lunch correctly, 2 vs 1 still means lose if we don't guess right
     
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    There is also a bit from Feps where he lays the roots for "why is Fanto alive HMMMM" conspiracy theory. It was funny how he went off the grid after we revealed that we wanted to test you Fanto, we are just feeding scum their arguments. I guess there could be a small hint here that SkyChuggs are the possible 4th scum as well, since Feps went in on about the message and if it was sent in our chat.

    #pocketgossips
     
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    Feps focuses on the swing, abso Ty self-defence is NAI. Focusing on the swing allows him to ignore Stan who was sleeping and himself who mysteriously did not vote.
     
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    okay so what do we know about the scum team setup just now..

    - a pair of scum role cop, 2 shots
    - a pair of 1 shot ninja
     
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    Feps also defends SkyChugger against Natiko.

    If the game does not end after Stan and Feps die, the starting move should be clear.
     
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    ;_; it's so true it hurts
     
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    "Why is Stan bussing at the same time Baelus are protecting?"

    Easy. When Stan voted, the situation was different. Now he is asleep and can do nothing about it.
     
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    I think the only worry we have now is if stan/fep are scum, will they do the kill tonight?

    Here's my worse case scenario

    - If there is a death and stan/fep comes back no movement
    - If Skychug sends a message and we have a message receiver, either they are both lying or they didn't do the kill
     
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    though though...

    I had a thought, i don't know if it is a good point or not.

    If skychug are scum, why would they send a message to scum buddies abs4all unless that was faked?
     
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    That was the apologetic message right, where they out themselves? That's just them using the role to give themselves and absoreplacement some town karma.

    "Oh benevolent townies snicker, we poor town snicker messengers leave ourselves to your fair I can't, I just can't LOL graces."
     
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    This is the thing that would be bad, thought the message must land on a non-Feps/Stan target. Anyone who claims the message would be a potential scum though.
     
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    skychug messages

    - cs_lp: 'we know you are scum, looking forward to town killing you'
    - abs4all: 'we believe you are town, we are the messengers, here are our reads'
    - you fantomas and your partner zipped ^_^: 'random recipe'
    - us: 'julius caesar'
     
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    if scum, fep did hammer me hard about 'what is message? why not tell us message? what do you mean/i don't remember julius caesar'
     
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    oh and did chug use his power in here
     
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    that was total bait if he is scum, total bait
     
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    So lets say that Feps / Stan and Sky / Chuggs are the remaining meanies. How do they win this, what's the play they will go for? Kill the voices in their pocket and blame Fanto? That's two kills if that succeeds, not enough. Verepollo would be the 3rd on N6.

    D7:

    Natiko and Terraforce
    Dr. Monkey and Stuart444
    CoolestSpot and Z-Beat

    SkyOdin and TheChuggernaut
    Stantastic and flatearthpandas

    This'd be a Coolest paranoia vote aka feed Monkey to win. The JOAT idea is hmm, I dunno actually, alive perhaps? Possibly?

    Not easy though.
     
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    oh... oh.

    oh no

    if it does get down to dr.stu vs natforce, we are dead
     
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    also ruins my plan if i have been right all along and die before them haha ^^;

    ;_;
     
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    The kill tonight must be on us, Verepollo or maybe in some mad case Fanto and Zipped. Scum have always so far embraced the paranoia, I expect them to do so again so into the pocket the hand goes and the necks are twisted.

    Such is the reward of the loyal ones.
     
  66. empressdonna

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    I'd be honestly shocked if the kill is somewhere else like them killing off cs_lp after what happened eod or even dr.stu or natforce.
     
  67. Fantomas

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    Good morning!

    Yeah, one of us is almost surely getting the NK here tonight. Either me and Zipped to avoid any more results being shared, or you two to stoke paranoia about me and Zipped.

    Yeah, to me the biggest red flag would be if SkyChugg claim to have sent a message to FEPs/Stan overnight. I can think of little reason to do that other than to mask the NK from me and Zipped. Honestly if they send it to anyone in the Vanilla group, I would see it as a way to mask the NK at this point. They should be able to deduce that sending it outside of that group means that we can't detect motion from anyone in there but the Scum team tonight, which is the right move.

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    Otherwise yes, good posts, good conclusions. I don't think I have much to add for now. I was thinking about rereading the day and really focusing in on some of those arguments FEPs was making, but it seems like Kyan kind of beat me to that one already haha.

    The only other angle I can think to work for now is the SkyChugg angle, but they are lower on the Scum Tier list than FEPs/Stan for me, and really only make sense as a final 4th Scum pair I would think.
     
  68. Kyanrute

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    Fanto, dunno if you saw the post in the main thread where I implied that we have a thing for you and I just realized that sounds very sexual.

    The implementation of it changed somewhat but the idea is the same: to dispel the idea that you were unable to deliver the command and were forced to kill us instead, we will give you a message that you can pass on into the main thread. The message has some comments about our past chats with Stu and Chuggs and we hope they will be able to remember those and confirm that we must have passed them on, as you'd have no way to know otherwise. In addition we'll include a bit from both of us so you all can argue about whether or not you'd be mad enough to fake those as well.

    I'll drop it here some time before the commands get locked, one hour to the clock or something, it isn't done yet.
     
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    You cannot obviously paste the message as is, that gets you modkilled. What you must do instead is to paraphrase.
     
  70. Fantomas

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    Ok, yeah that sounds like a good idea. I'll just put it into whatever pre-typed post I end up dropping at the start of the day, hopefully along with movement results on FEPs/Stan and a vote for them.

    And then yeah, I'll be sure to enter my command in here again too shortly before the actions lock.
     
  71. Kyanrute

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    kk fanto message inc

    do not fuck this up by copying the message, paraphrase man, do not get modkilled
     
  72. Kyanrute

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    THE MESSAGE:

    ^^ good luck from the thieves (that was donna)
    hewwo this is kyaaa is of explain the thing!
    originally the idea was to have a cipher and all but kyaaa, note the number of 'a', was lazy
    so we just wanted to pass on a message that follows:
    1) Fanto showcased the command and we have no reason to believe it ain't real
    2) coming from that, we think that barring the Fanto trust you all should lynch Stan / Feps
    3) should the game continue after that, please do lynch Sky and Chuggs.
    that is the message, do consider all the alternatives and whatnot.
    this was a message from ^^donna and kyaaa :3!

    Should you need something more Fanto, do suggest that Kyaaa himself refers to himself with 3 'a'. Me thinks you did the 2 so that alone should give you great credibility.
     
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    And in the case of you being scum:

    do please use my drunken self to kill us.

    Me thinks that'd be very funny indeed.
     
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    Kyaaa obviously very drunk.

    Bad Kyaaa.

    Do include the following:

    1) Kyaaa went on Stu on Nwhatever about Kyaaa being paranoid about Doc Stu bussing Pirate malus. Donna on the other hand thought that Sky was throwing shade at us gossips.
    2) Kyaaa nor donna could remember Apollo's past games and had a hard time with placing them on the town-scum axis.
    3) When it comes to Chuggs, I, that is Kyaaa, threatened him. If he had not cooperated, I said me and donna would want to lynch him. I think the details of this ain't on the thread so: we did not tell him what the resolution was. He complied nevertheless.
     
  75. Fantomas

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    Ok, I have typed up a paraphrased version of that message into a word doc. It's not a copy/paste, so I'm not going to get modkilled, I use plenty of my own words but also keep in the ^^'s from Donna and the 3 a's for my Kyaaa spellings to keep it authentic.

    And then now that I refreshed the page, I will add another section with the stuff from Stu and Chugg.
     
  76. empressdonna

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    for silliness, i rolled a d6 to see who would die

    1 was us
    2 was you two
    3 verollo
    4 cs_lp
    5 dr.stu
    6 natforce

    it landed on cs_lp XD

    I don't see that happening lol.
     
  77. Kyanrute

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    FANTO MUCH INTELLIGENT!

    keeps ^^ from donna she says smilies a lot and keep three 'a' from kyaaa!

    is of victory guaranteed!
     
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    kyaaa only remember random.org

    it say kill doc stu

    oh how far have we come!
     
  79. Fantomas

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    Ok, I have a pretty good pre-typed post set up now with my paraphrased versions of your message and the info from the previous chats.

    I'll be sure to post my command in here again on FEPs/Stan shortly before the actions lock too, just to be sure.

    Unfortunately, we probably won't speak again until after the game once the actions do lock, since one of us is almost surely going to die tonight. :(

    But it was fun playing with both of you again, as always! <3 I think we all worked things out here at the end as best we could, definitely a good team effort.
     
  80. empressdonna

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    ^_^ yeah, it's been really good fun.

    Certainly got my confidence back for joining other games this season.
     
  81. Fantomas

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    You definitely did great this game! Seeing you make 90+ posts yesterday was so cool haha, you were really leading the charge with your analysis of the game.
     
  82. empressdonna

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    When I saw the post count and that I was higher than stu, I was shocked haha.

    Feels good <3
     
  83. Fantomas

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    Ok, reissuing command, just to be sure.

    DETECT: Stantastic and flatearthpandas

    See you on the other side! Hopefully with movement detected!
     
  84. The Bear

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    This chat will be locked now, and the stolen will be returned to where they belong...