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Pearl as a Bodyguard, Steven as a Doctor maybe? That's a lot of protection roles though so the last scum must have a strongshot
 

lokiduck

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One thing that made me feel weird about neon today though was that he gave the green check on you (which could have actually happened), and he gave me a big positive town read on saying he agreed with my theory about Z-Beat.

It feels almost like he is going out of his way to say we are town and I wonder if there's something up with that.
 

lokiduck

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Pearl as a Bodyguard, Steven as a Doctor maybe? That's a lot of protection roles though so the last scum must have a strongshot
Yeah that's probably true. Also now that we are learning a lot more about all the flavors in the game, I'm really wondering if town really needs two vig's even if one is basically an avenger only.
 

lokiduck

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As for Chuggs and Stan...

Hm

I have to say I'm not feeling so great about Chuggs at the moment as he hasn't really ever lead any trains or fights against scum, he mostly just votes on trains when they start gathering traction.
 

lokiduck

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One thing that made me feel weird about neon today though was that he gave the green check on you (which could have actually happened), and he gave me a big positive town read on saying he agreed with my theory about Z-Beat.

It feels almost like he is going out of his way to say we are town and I wonder if there's something up with that.
Mainly I'm wondering if he somehow knows about us and that we are town so he's trying to find other reasons to say as much without it being weird.
 

lokiduck

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Also I am feeling a lot better about Z-Beat which is why I ended up giving him a pass. I still think he's faking his Greg claim, but he did help us in debunking Oreo's claim unless that was the plan anyways just to make him look better since oreo was only claiming to possible out the actual bodyguard.
 
To be honest, I almost voted for Stan there at the end, but I figured that would be rude and that oreo had a better chance of being around for Day End.

WSD threw a lot of shade at everyone who has flipped scum so far, and they have some posts that are calling out Stan as well.

https://www.resetera.com/goto/post?id=22150788

https://www.resetera.com/threads/st...well-always-save-the-day.123801/post-22072267

There was some talk about how suspicious Chuggernaut was but a vote was only placed when it seemed like for sure that oreo could be saved by doing it. The votes and reasoning surrounding WSD's reads on Oreo and EzekalRage are much weaker like the views and votes on Stan to the point that I think they were trying to create a lot of artificial distance between themselves.

I haven't fully read through all of Oreo's posts again yet, but a quick glance shows that Oreo has never once mentioned Stan during the game or given a read about him.
 
Mainly I'm wondering if he somehow knows about us and that we are town so he's trying to find other reasons to say as much without it being weird.
I wouldn't worry about that. It's possible that the green check wasn't real, but they just picked someone that they were hoping to pocket in that case, and I doubt they know about our role. If scum knew, they'd want to kill us as early as possible to knock out two town at once.
 

lokiduck

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I kind of wonder who the bodyguard will protect tonight and I do actually wonder if they protected exodus last night and that's why oreo claimed he did. I'm wondering about this because I mainly hope they'll protect you tonight and if that did that last night then welp. :/

Anyways scum speculation. I'm positive the last scum is Yellow Diamond for sure, and if there is another then it's White diamond. People keep talking about Lapis being the neutral, but if Peridot was town, then Lapis might be too.
 
It's definitely possible that there's 2 scum left, but I'm assuming there's only 1 right now. And whoever it is must be in a tight spot with 2 deathless nights and 3 scum down
 

lokiduck

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I wouldn't worry about that. It's possible that the green check wasn't real, but they just picked someone that they were hoping to pocket in that case, and I doubt they know about our role. If scum knew, they'd want to kill us as early as possible to knock out two town at once.
I actually not that worried. I was just speculating that he knows about us but is also town.
 

lokiduck

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Either way I'm pretty sure that Scum might have been on the oreo train, though Neon is also a possibility.

I'm also having a hard time figuring out who I'm going to shoot now, as I am unsure about Z-Beat but again he has a lore knowledge to be able to fake a flavor claim.
 
I wouldn't worry about Z-beat to be honest. He helped start that train on Oreo and if he was just looking for a self-preservation angle he could have voted for Neon and kept a teammate alive.
 

lokiduck

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I wouldn't worry about Z-beat to be honest. He helped start that train on Oreo and if he was just looking for a self-preservation angle he could have voted for Neon and kept a teammate alive.
Very true.

Also one interesting thing of note about Chuggs. Neon was the one to point out how he and I have voted together a lot, but the only time this has been different is when I have voted for Z-Beat. I noticed a lot of our scum lists have been similar so that makes sense though.
 

lokiduck

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I'm pretty sure oreo was fishing for the protector roles, but he only made the claim when there was already a big train on him so at that point he had nothing to lose, that probably means his scummates weren't on the early part of his train because it would have made more sense to stick with Neon. At that point, that leaves just Chuggs as the only suspect, but even then I'm unsure on that.

Either way I think the reason he suddenly showed up was because a scummate alerted him that a train had started on him.
 

lokiduck

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Interesting note about Stan is all of the votes against him happened on day 1 when they tried to get a train going on him after he left except for WSD who voted for him both days but later eventually ended up on Chuggs the end of.

Exodus who has been town read to death at this point started it, followed by (Town) LP, then (Scum) WSD, and finally Exodus unvoting and revoting for him again. WSD (scum) was the only one who tried to vote him again on day 2 but changed his opinion when the train never took off.
 
Stan posts :

Thoughts on oreo :

None. Stan has never given thoughts on Oreo or given us a comprehensive reads list

Thoughts on : EzekalRage

Well at least the catching up aint too bad yet.


Xodus's claim is weird, i was thinking i would wait to see if it turns out to be more complicated via X-shots or whatever but the fact hes throwing it out today willy nilly makes that seem unlikely. eh, will look more into em later.


Weemad feels...off?


Zeke is still seeing sinister intent in every shadow, so good to know that hasn't changed.


Light theme is for cowards.
I didnt suspect Zeke?

i brought up hoe he is prone to seeing conspiracy where there isnt any, but thats cartainly NAI for him.

honestly i would be more worried if he wasn't doing it, tho i cant remember playing any games with him as scum so im not sure if he can fake it well or not.

So yeah, NAI.
Man i just did a reread on Zeke as i had been getting odd vibes from him, and iv came out with like nothing useful.

Best i could see is that he was (maybe still is it just kinda stopped coming up) on Chuggs calling him frustrating at the start of the game and reacted indignantly. Pretty standard reaction for him but i cant help but wonder if its still coloring his read.

And the recent drill Exo on the particulars of his claim went into excess given that so much of it was just having Exo repeat the exact same explanation hes said multiple times now, but again its pretty standards behavior for him.


theres decent play there but all well within his capacity to fake.
Dear god that STANDBY happened while i was typing this and i thought we were gonna see more bodies, but this is actually kinda nice.


Welp its well past 3am so imma be heading off now.


Looks like things are heading Oreos way atm, i cant say im against that in any real way, been a total blindspot for me but the arguments others have been putting down seem adequate i guess. Imma leave my vote on Zeke in the hopes things stay interesting.


Party on friends.
Sorry for the absense, kinda swamped at work today so took a while to catch up.



Well first of all im pleasantly surprised my vote on Zeke lead to not only a lunch but a scum flip to, clealy everyone that joined on that train are both wise and handsome.

Tho i do think your giving me a bit too much town cred there, as i voted when there was relatively little heat on him and no (proper) votes, especially given how i hadnt really made a case against him either.

That said since its me imma just take the credit anyway thankyouverymuch.


I definitely agree with you on nin. One aspect of his inconsistency that really stood out even before zekes flip that just looks even worse now is how twice nin listed two people that he would be open swaping his vote to. I cant remember all the names, nor do i have the time rn to go find and quote them, but i do remember that both times the alternatives were completely different with no reasoning given, and the first time zeke was listed as one, but the second time he was not.
Thoughts on WhySoDevious

Hes up there but probably not. I finally looked back at dubss claim an behaviour last night and found things at least checked out. Theres syill room for doubt there but for now im cool with it.


I would also use it on malus,

this whole semi-counter on exo (whose claim and shit i also checked out before and felt pretty good on) just smells super fishy atm, and i was hardly thinking highly of WSD before the replacement, so malus coming in with it hot out the gates sure dont help.
That's it for that one as well

Thoughts on Malus

These are all about using the lie detector

Hes up there but probably not. I finally looked back at dubss claim an behaviour last night and found things at least checked out. Theres syill room for doubt there but for now im cool with it.


I would also use it on malus,

this whole semi-counter on exo (whose claim and shit i also checked out before and felt pretty good on) just smells super fishy atm, and i was hardly thinking highly of WSD before the replacement, so malus coming in with it hot out the gates sure dont help.
Put me down for this also,

Reki is one of my better town leads rn so i think i trust there jusgment over the general publics.


Malus is the easiest choice but wouldnt mind a more wild cardish option. Honestly im pretty down for any pick.
So its 3am, i cant keep waiting.

Not gonna lie, did not give this game half the attention i should have this day, I blame Shadowbringers and my totally lack of self-discipline.


Im not against Z-Beat lunch by any means, but imma put my vote here where im also totally cool with a lynch, because things being closer is both more fun and insightful.


vote: malus


call me lazy, its true.

Stan was fairly suspicious of EzekalRage the entire time that he was around, but the vote that he placed was the very first vote on the train that led to that scum flip, however it was a long time before anyone else was a part of that vote, so I wouldn't give him any town credit for this one. What's interesting is that Stan voted Ezekal because he didn't want to vote for Oreo. Scum were already putting distance between each other with odd votes here and there, and Stan's could fit in with that.

It's incredibly odd that Stan hasn't talked about Oreo at all though. Stan hasn't been a hot topic, so it's conceivable that people overlooked him when they were thinking about strong reads they had, but Oreo has come up time and time again on people's radar, and Stan has never even engaged with those at all.
 
I'm probably going to take a break and do some other stuff for a bit, but I'm going to look at Oreo next and see if he was also trying to get behind bussing EzekalRage. That's the most positive thing I can see here with Stan aiming for one scum over another in a scum v scum situation, and that's all that's stopping me from being sure that he's scum right now.
 

lokiduck

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Reading up on Stan. exodus technically tried to start the Zeke train but he messed up the spelling and Stan was the second one on it followed by Reki. At that point Saw, myself, and Chuggs were the only ones on Oreo.
 

lokiduck

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Stan voted for Zeke when there was only three on Oreo, so it might be possible he was trying to distract from oreo but at that point there were already three on Chuggs, so I have no idea why he wouldn't go there instead unless Chuggs is somehow also scum. XD
 

lokiduck

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And yeah once I'm done with Stan I'm going to go do some other stuff. I have my late shift tonight so I might be tired when I get home, so that's why I wanted to figure out a little bit who my shooting targets are.
 
Hm. Even if we don't end up sure about Stan, we have it narrowed down pretty far between the two of us, so we'll be okay whoever we hit. I mean, that person won't be happy if they're town, but we're trying here!
 
Also it'd be weird to pick Zeke over oreo since oreo was just a goon and Zeke was a roleblocker which is very handy role against town.
This is true, and it's something I wondered about. I'm wondering if they expected Zeke to just be out of the game quickly, or if they were trying to gain town credit by aiming for scum in what town might hope is a scum v town situation. In a role madness game in particular, Zeke's role is very powerful though, so I really don't know if they would want to cut him loose that early.
 

lokiduck

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That's what I have been wondering since he was lunched. I thought maybe it was because Oreo had a better power, but he had nothing :/

And while you are right that it's okay whoever we hit because it narrows down the suspects, I just want to make the right choice because if we die but I hit the last scum and win the game, that'd be amazing :o
 

lokiduck

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Right so people who seem to me like for sure town at this point:
-Us (duh)
-Reki: they did the fact check and was gunning for oreo since day one. Has been helpful in general.
-Chuggs: He also was on oreo for most of the game. If he was scum meaning that all three day 2 trains were scum, why did they decide to protect Oreo out of the bunch. The push for Chuggs was most likely scum trying to save both Zeke and oreo and it failed.
-Exodus: Power seems to be a counter to malus and was targeted by scum since day 1. malus gunned for him weirdly.

Leaning town on:
-Z-Beat: Helped getting oreo out and claims to be Greg
-Queen Kong if she really is Pearl then she is town for sure (she said she was a crystal gem today so I actually wonder if scum might go for her hoping she's Steven in which case she will be saving Steven one last time XD)
-Neon: I still think he somehow knows we are town and for that reason he's town too... he green checked you but he could have been scum trying for town cred.

Still unsure of:
-B-Dubs: does town really need to vig's, gameplay hasn't been that great.
-Stan: Helped get Zeke out so if he's scum why did he do that unless he thought it wouldn't take off. Otherwise checks out as scum.
 
I'm going back over Oreo right now, and a small correction. He did give a read on Stan before :

You bet!


lokiduck - town read. I find them to be generally sensible about questions, and feel like they are scumhunting

NeonBorealis - null. They have a good bit of activity, but I don't find myself reading town or scum on them

EzekelRAGE - slight town read. Not always sure what they're aiming for, but don't read it as anti-town

Sawneeks - slight scum read. A scum Sawn would be some of the worst news for town, so I'm generally wary of Sawn out of respect o7

Stantastic - null. They've posted about as much as I have... and I'm near the bottom of the post list lol

TheChuggernaut - slight town read. Though I don't agree with their decisions, I get the feeling that they are looking for scum

nin - null. Nin's posting a lot, but feeling like their cards are held close to their chest. Where's my ninsanity?

Z-Beat - slight scum read. I find them to be focusing way too much on flavors to be a solution to the game, where I think we can only use them to guesstimate powers

exodus - town read. More likely to me that their power demonstrations are town, rather than scum

KetKat - slight town. Think that they do some good prodding and questioning. Don't feel like they take much of a stance on things, though

oreomunsta - wants to help town get the W, but seeing a bad vote build up on them :(

Queen Kong - null. I can appreciate the "new player" vibe, but you're being mentored. That angle could be used dangerously between you and cabot

WhySoDevious - slight scum read. Anyone should be suspicious of low posters. I want to know - WWWSDD? What Would WSD Do?

B-Dubs - town read. like exo, B-Dubs power demo seems more town than scum to me

Reki - null. Not really sure what to make of their activity, to be honest. This read is the most likely to change, I feel
So, I'm going to post my list in a before-after format, where the divide is caused by the EoD madness


lokiduck - town read -> town read. hasn't changeed much, but I'm not appreciating the "oreo cooould be town. if that's the case, my bad, dawg" angle >:[

NeonBorealis - null -> null. Not much of a change

EzekelRAGE - slight town read -> total scum. I did not read Zeke correctly here :(

Sawneeks - slight scum read -> slight scum. No change here

Stantastic - null -> null. No change here

TheChuggernaut - slight town read -> null. I'm seeing vote skipping happening here

nin - null -> scum. WSD and nin had some interactions here that read to me like scum helping each other, then busing each other

Z-Beat - slight scum read -> slight scum read. No change here

exodus - town read -> town read. No change here

KetKat - slight town -> null. Prodding around, but not really committing gives me a less positive read

oreomunsta - wants to help town get the W - no change here

Queen Kong - null -> null. No change here

WhySoDevious - slight scum read -> scum. I think I was watching nin and WSD interacting in such a way that made me really suspect

B-Dubs - town read -> town read. No change here

Reki - null -> slight town. The EoD activity gave me a more favorable look on them
That first read list was from before Zeke flipped, and the second was right after. Oreo never actually interacted with Stan or tried to prod him in any way that I can see though.

@Z-



Okay, so estimate a scum team of 5 or so. Based on what you know of SU, what's a list of possible villains, and what powers could they possibly do?


I wonder if this could give us an idea of what we might be up against. I don't think people claiming flavors is useful, since people can always lie about them, but maybe estimating roles can give some insight into the role madness
Also, we might actually have 5 scum, which is pretty understandable if there aren't any neutrals, but he also asked this question to Z-beat, which I dont think he would do to a scummate. I'll post these more in-depth later, but Oreo was very focused on flavor because it did seem to match up most of the time and it was giving scum targets to aim for
 

lokiduck

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Also several people have put forth theories that scum was trying to set up Saw.

Z- suggested it was B-Dubs and Zeke backed this up (Scum latching onto a town suggestion)

While Neon thought it was Chuggs setting up Saw actually. (He later town read Chuggs after Zeke flipped)
 

lokiduck

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Yeah I've been thinking that it's 5 which is why I have been saying we had 2-3 left. :/ If you think about it flavor wise it makes sense.

We have:
Jasper (role blocker)
Blue Diamond (Loved)
Holly Blue Agate (goon)

Ones that'd make sense are Yellow and White Diamond.
 

lokiduck

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If we can't narrow down who he think is most the likely scum, we should considering having me shoot one of the biggest suspects that'd answer a lot of questions and could help town to victory even if they are town.

But someone town can afford to lose.
 

lokiduck

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I feel like B-Dubs honestly is a decent choice because it'd answer some questions for town on him, but at the same time if he's a town vig and has more shots, he's a risk but also might help town in the end.
 

lokiduck

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Our main suspect right now is Stan, but it's not very solid evidence against him because of day 2. And I'm not sure what use it'd be to town except maybe hitting scum.
 

lokiduck

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Really those two are my only options as I do not feel comfortable shooting someone I'm town reading even if other players haven't, and I'm feeling weird about Neon (I keep wondering if he has an ability like watcher or something) but I don't want to shoot him for that. He seems to town to me.
 

lokiduck

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I had that crazy theory because Neon's first gif was of Peridot pointing in the direction of his avatar who is dogcopter a character that has shown up in Steven's Dreams, so naturally I had the crazy theory that he has a night power. XD
 

lokiduck

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That I do not know. :/ I want to really say it isn't Chuggs based on day 2 unless he was a goon too but again why take focus from oreo then???

Reki is the other one. Everyone else is a big question mark for me.
 

lokiduck

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Yeah maybe we will. 8D Okay then, I guess the plan is to shoot Stan if it comes down too it. Then try and figure out who the other scum is if there is one :<
 

lokiduck

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You brought up Z possibly being town since oreo suggested 5 which is something weird for scum to talk about with each other. But I wonder why he would even suggest 5. Wouldn't be better to keep the number lower so town thinks they have to hunt for less people?
 

lokiduck

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Saying we have to hunt for less people allows one scummate to hide comfortably among town so that when it's revealed there are more scum, they can accuse townies of being the missing person and be trusted by town.
 

lokiduck

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Also B-Dubs might be a 1 shot vig because I am and that'd balance two town vig. He probably used his shot early because he tends to die early on in mafia, so maybe he was wanting to use his power to help town though it backfired on his part.

Either way, I think I will shoot Stan because our death would make B-Dubs suspect anyways so town can properly investigate him and figure out if he's town or not.
 

lokiduck

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So I just did a big analysis of the day 2 main trains of oreo, Chuggs, and Zeke. I'll post it if we live and as a result I'm feeling more comfortable about my plan to shoot Stan.

Some things of note I noticed from the data.

Chuggs was sitting at 1 (Zeke) vote when Z-Beat voted for him because he thought scum!Chuggs was trying to get townie oreo out, so he technically restarted the voting for Chuggs thing again.
 

lokiduck

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I just realized that maybe the reason Monkey included two sets of lovers is because even if there are two protective roles, there's a risk both of them protect the same lover in a pair while the other is targeted, which in a way does allow scum to still get a kill in.

Either way, us claiming might make us a big target to scum since there's a higher chance they can actually kill us especially if there is only one protective role.

However, we know that there are two sets of lovers, and potentially two sets of town vigs so two protective roles wouldn't be that weird?
 

lokiduck

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I'm still hesitant to because people might wonder why there are two lovers. So let's see. I think the one having the highest chance of getting NK'd is Queen Kong because she claimed the protective role and if she is telling the truth, then there are still a lot of people in town she can protect.

Us would be good candidates too since we've been largely town read, you were town confirmed by a supposed Steven and we have been helping investigate a lot.

In which case I need to figure out who to shoot. There is a possibility that Stan was telling the truth about his flavor cop role because the stuff he came up with was pretty unique for him to make up, though it is possible he's a flavor cop for scum and he just used his results.

I still do not get why greg would be a snake person then unless someone messed with it.

Chuggs is looking a bit more suspect now because he also claimed cop, and it does seem weird we'd have both Neek's item, a flavor cop, and a alignment cop all together.

Either way the ones that lead the charge on Z-beat were mainly, Chuggs, Stan, and B-Dubs.

I have a feeling they are going to make everyone who hasn't role claim tomorrow. Since I went and claimed Ruby (I was worried people would catch me lying somehow and decided to tell the truth) it'd be hard for us to still claim vig (because based on flavor people would guess it's me) unless we just fucking take that risk because we are close to catching the final scum. At this point it might be good to be honest so that town and try and figure out why town would have to Vig's...

Wait so two protective roles, two lovers, two vigs, and more than one cop. There seems to definitely be a pattern there.
 

lokiduck

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Saying we are lovers also puts a big target on us becuase it'd help scum get closer to winning. We are currently sitting at 8 and if someone dies then that's 7 with 1-2 possible scum and 5-6 townies. If we get taken out then it'll be 6 with 4-5 townies.

We can not afford to lose anymore townies especially if we are in the game still. if there is 1 scum then they need to get the total alive down to 2, if there are 2, then they just have to get it to 4. And if there's a case were there are 6 people alive and we die, then bam they win.
 
Ah hell, that's not what I wanted to wake up to. I saw the votes mounting on Z-beat but I thought I would have time to talk about it this morning and maybe shift things
 
Updating this real quick

Us
[she/her] KetKat - EST
[she/her] lokiduck - PST

Claims
[he/him] exodus - EST - Double Voter that's gone once either Steven or Connie die - Stevonnie
[she/her] Queen Kong - GMT+9 - Non-human Doctor - Pearl
[he/him] B-Dubs - EST - DayVig - Sugilite
[he/him] Stantastic - GMT+12 - Flavor Hints - Ronaldo Fryman
[he/him] NeonBorealis - CST - Party Power - Steven
[he/him] TheChuggernaut - CST - Unknown Role - Garnet


Dead
[he/him] Z-Beat - PST - Vanilla - Greg
[they/them] Reki - UTC-4
[they/them] saenima - Lover #1 - Sadie
[he/him] Meatwad - Lover #2 - Lars
[he/him] Lone_Prodigy - Thunderdome - Amethyst
[he/him] nin - Deflector - Peridot
[they/them] weemadarthur - Commuter - Connie
[she/her] Sawneeks - PST - Mr Smiley - Vending Machine
[he/him] oreomunsta - MST - Goon - Holly Blue Agate
[he/him] WhySoDevious - UTC-6 - Replaced by Malus - Loved - Blue Diamond
[he/him] EzekelRAGE - Scum Roleblocker - Jasper
 
Something that's worth noting from Stan is that he heavily hinted that his power would help reveal scum through flavor only, but he wasn't willing to give us results until we all revealed what our flavor was. The people that he had checked had already revealed their flavors before he asked for this mass claim as well, so it makes me wonder what he was fishing for
 

lokiduck

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As of right now, we are the only two that they do not know the role of, so there's a chance scum will use that to make us look suspicious or they'd want us out in case we have a dangerous power. That's why we definitely have to figure out what we are claiming role wise. Should we go all out, only claim lover, or withhold our role unless the heat is put on us to reveal?
 

lokiduck

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Something that's worth noting from Stan is that he heavily hinted that his power would help reveal scum through flavor only, but he wasn't willing to give us results until we all revealed what our flavor was. The people that he had checked had already revealed their flavors before he asked for this mass claim as well, so it makes me wonder what he was fishing for
That is true :o Maybe the reason he wanted everyone to reveal is because if he had revealed the stuff about Z-Beat too early, the day would turbo but scum wouldn't know all the flavors yet,
 

lokiduck

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I'm really wondering if he's a flavor cop for scum now, sort of as a counter to Chugg's alignment cop. Mind you Chuggs was a two shot supposedly, and Stan's seems to be every single night.
 
Oh! You're right, this should also fill in Reki's who I missed

Us
[she/her] KetKat - EST
[she/her] lokiduck - PST

Claims
[he/him] exodus - EST - Double Voter that's gone once either Steven or Connie die - Stevonnie
[she/her] Queen Kong - GMT+9 - Non-human Doctor - Pearl
[he/him] B-Dubs - EST - DayVig - Sugilite
[he/him] Stantastic - GMT+12 - Flavor Hints - Ronaldo Fryman
[he/him] NeonBorealis - CST - Party Power - Steven
[he/him] TheChuggernaut - CST - 2-shot Alignment Cop - Garnet


Dead
[he/him] Z-Beat - PST - Vanilla - Greg
[they/them] Reki - 2 shot Jailer - Lapis Lazuli
[they/them] saenima - Lover #1 - Sadie
[he/him] Meatwad - Lover #2 - Lars
[he/him] Lone_Prodigy - Thunderdome - Amethyst
[he/him] nin - Deflector - Peridot
[they/them] weemadarthur - Commuter - Connie
[she/her] Sawneeks - PST - Mr Smiley - Vending Machine
[he/him] oreomunsta - MST - Goon - Holly Blue Agate
[he/him] WhySoDevious - UTC-6 - Replaced by Malus - Loved - Blue Diamond
[he/him] EzekelRAGE - Scum Roleblocker - Jasper
 

lokiduck

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I will say that Chuggs is looking more suspect now... as his role basically just confirmed that Exodus is town which in a way makes him look good. The only reason I thought Garnet might be a role is if other fusions are roles while their fusion partners are also roles.

But here's the thing, why would monkey only give scum false flavors for towns people? Wouldn't it make it a bit more obvious if they are all claiming regular towns people instead of say one of the crystal gems?
 

lokiduck

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Also I think i should shoot Stan even if he's town. It'd annoy him to hell and I'd feel really bad about it, but it'd answer town's questions right off the bat, on whether he just misread a flavor hint or this was a scum ploy. Unless we can find a better suspect then I'm picking him.
 

lokiduck

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I said Stan maybe insisted everyone flavor claim so scum would know what everyone is, but I also wonder if he did it because he was trying to prevent other scum from hiding by not claiming :/
 

lokiduck

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Of course if i hit town, then that's three townies down... and that limits the amount of mislynches. Mind you I'm pretty positive they are going to take out QK unless she can be protected tonight.
 
It'd be best to not hit town if we can help it! Let's take a look at everyone closely and think about how we feel about them. There's only 6 people left that aren't us, so it shouldn't be too hard to narrow it down
 

lokiduck

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Let's see so first is my general opinions... out of the players:

Queen Kong: She claimed to be Pearl really early on so either she is playing the long con or she's town. I'm willing to guess that and despite what B-Dubs says her power makes sense for Pearl. Stan's flavor hint if true also supports her case.

Chuggs: Out of the Crystal Gems he is the one I'm most suspicious of just because maybe scum was given Garnet as a fake flavor to throw off town. However, I have largely town read him most of this game and his activity hasn't been too bad except for yesterday, but maybe he was like me and just following along with the lies. If he really is Garnet, it's hilarious he town read me day 1 since I'm technically 1/2 of him flavor wise. XD

Exodus: Only thing really against him is the whole restriction based on his fusion partners thing, but it isn't that unbelievable of a condition. Also scum was really on his case for a lot of days, but Z-Beat was too. Chuggs proved he's town so if Chuggs is town, then he is too. Also stan's flavor text was being Ronaldo being nervous and blushing which indicates a couple. Stevonnie does somewhat fit this as other fusions would probably be too rock looking to him i guess???

B-Dubs: Z thinks Sugilite has potential to be scummy and that might be true. Also Stan's flavor for him was "Oh that's a rock person" or something like that which really fits any gem. Still he hasn't really come off as town and he has been massively dismissive of any powers with weird conditions. Might be a ploy to get people with weird conditions out?

Neon: I've been town reading him and I'm willing to believe that he's Steven who had a party power... but at the same time I'm still unsure about him.

Stan: Z-Beat flipping town looks really bad for him but if he's town scum is going to use that to their advantage. He weirdly wanted all the flavors to be claimed before claiming his power. He either misunderstood the hints he got, or he's lying in some way because he's scum. I can see him either being a town flavor cop that made a mistake, or a scum flavor because I just can't see him making up those hints on his own unless he maybe had help.

Out of this list... I say I'm most suspicious of Stan and B-Dubs... but Chuggs would be another good candidate.
 

lokiduck

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Also still trying to figure out what to do for our claim. We are the only unclaimed people, but claiming lovers will def put us at risk to scum because we are two for one package. Claiming just vig for me would start a debate about town having two of them at least, but then what do you say.
 

lokiduck

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I can see claiming lovers for one reason. We get scum on the next day phase. That way if there is one more scum, then they'll probably hit us, but if I shoot correct/get the shot then I can hit that scum. then bam game over.
 

lokiduck

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Unless I put forth my theory about there being multiples of certain roles.

Two cops (Flavor and alignment, plus that shot from neeks), two protective roles (Jailer and gem doctor), Two forms of role blocking (Zeke and Jailer), Two that affect night actions (nin's gem redirect and the lightning rod), two sets of lovers (May not include this one), and finally two Vigilante's (One public only and me private).
 

lokiduck

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Also thinking back, two people against the Stan lunch were B-Dubs and Chuggs, basing it off of last game with him which honestly made me doubt for a bit he was scum because I saw his behavior as town last game too.
 
Flavor wise, I would expect there to be a Steven in the game for sure, so I think we're okay there on Neon. And I'm not sure how a party power would benefit Scum.

Queen Kong has genuinely felt like new town to me the whole time, and I'm having a hard time seeing her as scum. She claimed her role in a very odd way to the point that I'm not sure I trust it though, and she could be a Pearl but Blue Pearl, to fit the theming of the scum that have flipped so far. I'm not sure how likely that is, and it doesn't really tie into Stan's flavor hint that he received either. She's probably fine.

The game does seem to rely a lot on flavor, so I would also expect Garnet to be a character as well. I kind of glossed over the possibility of there being a Garnet before because I had kind of been under the assumption that we had fused when we found each other. Looking through the role PM, the fusion one, and the first post in here though, there's no mention of us being Garnet now, so I think I believe Chuggernaut.

Since I believe Chuggernaut, I think Exodus has to be town as well. With as many investigative roles as there are, it's possible that a Godfather does exist for the scum team, but I'm not sure why the Godfather would claim Stevonnie and also have a double vote. In the event that Chuggernaut is scum, then they were trying to pocket Exodus, but this gambit only makes sense if Chuggernaut AND Exodus are scum, and I'm not sure I see that right now.

I've already laid out how I feel about Stan last night and in the thread during the day, but this role is strange and makes me wonder what the goal is. Since flavor does seem to be tied to alignment and roles, a flavor cop could be useful but the hints that he's been receiving have not been enough to figure out anyone's flavor specifically and instead might help him call out a few contradictions like B-dubs' hint letting him know that he's a fusion or a gem. It's worth noting that Stan has used this power 5 times, so it does not seem to have a limit. It's a weak power that could be a counter to something like a scum tracker but it's strange. It's all just vague enough that I'm not sure I believe it yet, and if he's not dead tomorrow I'm going to dig deeper here.

B-dubs has never felt extremely town to me but I've been giving him a lot of benefit of the doubt since he is a DayVig and the odds of that being scum are not high. If it's meant to be a counter to town protection roles, we have a 2-shot jailer and a doctor who can't actually protect half of town, so I'm not sure that this is necessary. It is worth noting here that a scum strongshot has not flipped yet though. And Loved is an odd role for a scum to have, so this could be a bit odd too

I feel like it has to be either Stan or B-dubs at this point, but I don't feel any closer to knowing for sure after that day phase
 

lokiduck

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yeah i have to agree. Also people keep wondering where the idea of a godfather came from, but that's because it was Neon who again is a new player to this forum but not other ones, where maybe they are more common.

B-Dubs and Stan are the most suspect as of right now, and later tonight I will go over them again and see if anything stands out. All the others are getting too much of a town read from me at this point.
 

lokiduck

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So yeah I'll investigate those two further see if i can feel confident shooting either of them. But the main question is how and when we are going to reveal our roles.
 

lokiduck

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One thing about B-Dubs is that he was consistent on voting for Z-Beat. He started doing it on day 4 when I made my big post and vote against him.

I think maybe he was trying to capitalize on town being suspicious of Z.