Ideas for the game (Am I doing this right?)

[Pedro]

I'm going to be no-fun-pedro here and say that it's best if we keep it at "Gossip Hider" :c All role names should be standardized (adjectives, instead of full sentences) so claims are more believable. Pineapple Pizza Mafia is an example of a game in which people wouldn't trust a claim because someone's role name wasn't written in the same way as others.

 

[lokiduck]

So I guess the only powers to figure out now are our two JOATs. I humored giving them similar powers (as that's how it is basicially in game) but then there's the risk that the other JOAT will know what powers the other has if one is found out to exist. So giving them somewhat different abilities is probably for the best.

As for how Nier gets his abilities, I kind of like the idea of them just being time locked maybe? At a certain time (that works for the mods) he'll get a new ability, but it's RNG'd on which one he unlocks maybe? Or do we want a slow progression?

 

[lokiduck]

I'm going to be no-fun-pedro here and say that it's best if we keep it at "Gossip Hider" :c All role names should be standardized (adjectives, instead of full sentences) so claims are more believable. Pineapple Pizza Mafia is an example of a game in which people wouldn't trust a claim because someone's role name wasn't written in the same way as others.

All right then I'll change it back. I'm at least getting my role fisher so I can be okay with that.

 

[Verelios]

So I guess the only powers to figure out now are our two JOATs. I humored giving them similar powers (as that's how it is basicially in game) but then there's the risk that the other JOAT will know what powers the other has if one is found out to exist. So giving them somewhat different abilities is probably for the best.

As for how Nier gets his abilities, I kind of like the idea of them just being time locked maybe? At a certain time (that works for the mods) he'll get a new ability, but it's RNG'd on which one he unlocks maybe? Or do we want a slow progression?

I like that. Does 1 power a day seem too restrictive? With a max of 4.

 

[Verelios]

I'm going to be no-fun-pedro here and say that it's best if we keep it at "Gossip Hider" :c All role names should be standardized (adjectives, instead of full sentences) so claims are more believable. Pineapple Pizza Mafia is an example of a game in which people wouldn't trust a claim because someone's role name wasn't written in the same way as others.

Oh Pedro, always the voice of reason ;)

 

[Verelios]

So I guess the only powers to figure out now are our two JOATs. I humored giving them similar powers (as that's how it is basicially in game) but then there's the risk that the other JOAT will know what powers the other has if one is found out to exist. So giving them somewhat different abilities is probably for the best.

As for how Nier gets his abilities, I kind of like the idea of them just being time locked maybe? At a certain time (that works for the mods) he'll get a new ability, but it's RNG'd on which one he unlocks maybe? Or do we want a slow progression?

I wouldn't worry about the SL knowing Nier is a JOAT from similar powers. There'd be almost no indication of that in the first place, and I kind of think Nier should get a pool of 5 or 6 powers to differentiate the four he gets from SL.

 

[lokiduck]

I like that. Does 1 power a day seem too restrictive? With a max of 4.

One a day seems fair and reasonable just because there's always a risk he'll be Lunched or NK'd.

I wouldn't worry about the SL knowing Nier is a JOAT from similar powers. There'd be almost no indication of that in the first place, and I kind of think Nier should get a pool of 5 or 6 powers to differentiate the four he gets from SL.

That concern is mainly based around Nier or SL getting role checked by our role cops (if the fisher succeeds), but you are right. I like the idea of him having a larger pool and just because it's random he'll only get four of those abilities.

However, as a result we'll have to pick abilities that aren't OP but also reasonable. Obviously certain powers are going to be better than others but I can see a scenario where the player gets pissed because RNG'd screwed them over from getting a more useful power. :/

 

[Verelios]

Realistically, they'd never know until game end, haha

 

[lokiduck]

Realistically, they'd never know until game end, haha

Or until they die if we are nice enough to tell them what the other abilities were, though we could always not mention that fact unless we straight up say in the role PM that it's from a list of powers (which I think we have to do so whoops there)

 

[Verelios]

Or until they die if we are nice enough to tell them what the other abilities were, though we could always not mention that fact unless we straight up say in the role PM that it's from a list of powers (which I think we have to do so whoops there)

It all depends on how they use it. I'd feel bad if they got all the weak powers though.

 

[lokiduck]

It all depends on how they use it. I'd feel bad if they got all the weak powers though.

That's why we need to make all the potential powers really good in their own way so they won't be as disappointed.

Speaking of what powers should we give?

So far only SL has 1 ninja shot, and maybe 1 BP.

 

[Verelios]

Uh,
I think
1 BP
1 Shot NK (not SK)
1 track

And I'm wondering what else

 

[lokiduck]

Uh,
I think
1 BP
1 Shot NK (not SK)
1 track

And I'm wondering what else

For Nier I assume since it's a regular NK?

um... we could maybe give a 1 shot double vote or even an override??? (I'm trying to think of stuff that isn't like what else town has already even though we have a DV already.)

 

[Verelios]

For Nier I assume since it's a regular NK?

um... we could maybe give a 1 shot double vote or even an override??? (I'm trying to think of stuff that isn't like what else town has already even though we have a DV already.)

Yeah, sorry I didn't clarify. An override seems way too powerful for a JOAT. I'm trying to think of something moderately weak role wise.

 

[lokiduck]

Yeah, sorry I didn't clarify. An override seems way too powerful for a JOAT. I'm trying to think of something moderately weak role wise.

Yeah I was thinking that if we gave him that and the shot he'd affectively be able to kill two people. DV might be a decent choice since it's not too strong but again I'm not sure.

We just need some decent but not game breaking skills that haven't been addressed by other players and I'm not really sure. :/

 

[lokiduck]

I guess I'm just thinking some kind of power connected around voting might be decent since we only have a situational DV and a loved player.

Random idea: He gets a 1 time message he can write (since you save in the game via message boxes) It'd sure confuse the messenger if he heard someone else sent a message.

 

[Verelios]

I guess I'm just thinking some kind of power connected around voting might be decent since we only have a situational DV and a loved player.

Random idea: He gets a 1 time message he can write (since you save in the game via message boxes) It'd sure confuse the messenger if he heard someone else sent a message.

That would be wonky, I like that idea.

 

[Verelios]

I guess I'm just thinking some kind of power connected around voting might be decent since we only have a situational DV and a loved player.

Random idea: He gets a 1 time message he can write (since you save in the game via message boxes) It'd sure confuse the messenger if he heard someone else sent a message.

Hmmm...I suppose that might be good. Just wondering if it falls into JOAT territory.

 

[lokiduck]

That would be wonky, I like that idea.

Hmmm...I suppose that might be good. Just wondering if it falls into JOAT territory.

Which of these reactions are for which of my comments? XD

 

[Verelios]

Which of these reactions are for which of my comments? XD

Haha, I meant to crop quote but forgot, sorry. The first one is referring to the message idea, and the second one is to the voting power.

 

[lokiduck]

Ooooh okay then. So in that case let's totally have a possible power being the message one. It might be considered week compared to the others but it again fits the lore a bit and maybe the player could put it to good use.

Not sure about the the voting power either but I think it might be interesting just because it's not like a cop shot (we have enough investigative roles so we really do not need to give him one even if it's one time, I'm not sure we want to give SL one either since he has Noir as the role cop) or other roles we have covered.

Plus it might confuse the people with similar powers and make them more suspicious. After all we don't want to make things too easy for town.

 

[lokiduck]

If we have too many investigative powers on either side then the game just becomes a logic puzzle and ruins one sides abilities to fake claim or hide from the enemy, plus it endangers the neutrals way more (they need to be in danger of course it makes their win more valid, but if everyone can check them, then they don't have a chance.)

So I feel like some kind of vote power would be a reason option that gives him an ability he can use even if it's not common. Random idea for SL, could he have a vote block ability where he can block someone's ability to vote for a day?

That way one JOAT can vote more while the other can take away a vote.

 

[Verelios]

That's a pretty good idea, I like the parallels.

A one shot double vote could work for Nier in that case, and a one shot silence(?) vote could work for SL.

 

[lokiduck]

That's a pretty good idea, I like the parallels.

A one shot double vote could work for Nier in that case, and a one shot silence(?) vote could work for SL.

So that means so far we have

Nier:
-1 DV
-1 night shot
-1 BP
-1 track (I already said we have a lot of investigative stuff but one is fine especially since he may not get it and he might use it on town, plus Weiss or the cops might die early/waste their only shots)
-1 Message

SL:
-1 Vote Silencer
-1 Ninja
-Did we agree on a BP?

So we need a few more for Nier (unless we are out of ideas then 5 might be good) and one for the SL.

 

[Verelios]

Yeah, BP seems good for SL. For SL I'm thinking, what about a one shot switch? Switch an action from one person to another.

 

[Verelios]

So that means so far we have

Nier:
-1 DV
-1 night shot
-1 BP
-1 track (I already said we have a lot of investigative stuff but one is fine especially since he may not get it and he might use it on town, plus Weiss or the cops might die early/waste their only shots)
-1 Message

SL:
-1 Vote Silencer
-1 Ninja
-Did we agree on a BP?

So we need a few more for Nier (unless we are out of ideas then 5 might be good) and one for the SL.

I do feel like making one more slightly weak power for Nier might make it more fair, it's just that I'm drawing a blank on other town powers at the moment.

@Pedro, what say you?

 

[lokiduck]

Yeah, BP seems good for SL. For SL I'm thinking, what about a one shot switch? Switch an action from one person to another.

I do feel like making one more slightly weak power for Nier might make it more fair, it's just that I'm drawing a blank on other town powers at the moment.

@Pedro, what say you?

Yeah I like the idea of SL having a switch. That completes him then. I think we are good on Nier though I'll wait to hear Pedro's opinion.

 

[lokiduck]

Also if Nier has a night shot, Kaine one Vig shot, and the King a Potential Vig shot, shouldn't we give Beepy 1 BP just because 1. It'd fit him being a robot trying to save Kalil 2. it's a bit more fair to him without him being too OP and guaranteed survival.

Plus giving them some slight protection might be good because they can choose to help which ever side they want if it keeps them alive as most survivors usually pick the winning side. Him having protection doesn't automatically help town.

Hell flavor wise we could make it that Beepy is the BP so him taking the hit is basically sacrificing himself for Kalil, he lives but he can't handle another hit and that's why they will die. Naturally they can still get lunched because all of town is ganging up on them so there's no preventing that.

 

[lokiduck]

OOOOH IDEA

 

[lokiduck]

When I first looked up beloved princesses I saw that usually the game runner gives the princess a guard to protect her and obviously we do not want to do that since we already have our characters.

However Nier is her father right, ultimately what he wants is to protect his daughter and keep her safe. So what if one if his possible abilities is a jailer power but it only works on Yonah.

We can flavor it as telling Yonah a bedtime story because he basically take her somewhere safe and keep her safe for that night.

To make it even better he has to know maybe who Yonah is (which if Yonah has outed herself as a Princess no one will want to NK anyways unless they really want another confirmed townie gone making it useless) but if we want it to be somewhat useful they we can have it activate if he doesn't know who she is (I lean towards the former just to make it a weak power).

While the flavor is "Tell her a story" I do not think he should be able to actually talk to her though. Maybe instead they both get a random bedtime story sent by mods and the end flavor of "You spent a nice night with your dad/Yonah and you feel safe."

If Nier gets Targeted that night by Scum he can still die though because he will die protecting Yonah from danger (if he isn't protected by the BP or another player) and there will be no flavor text for Yonah.

 

[lokiduck]

Now I realize that this might give town a lot protection but I think it's fair for several reasons:
1. Fyra will die if she actually protects anyone (Could be N1 or possible N5).
2. Sebastian can't protect himself or the same person twice in a row plus his shots will be limited I assume???
3. Emil has only one BP.
4. The Mayor dies if his partner is killed.
5. Nier might not even get his BP.
6. He may not even get the "tell a story" action and if he does it only protects Yonah when she has been outed as Yonah.
7. We have three possible vigilante shots so if all activate then a lot of peeps might die.
8. Gretel is a Strongman that can break through doctor protection and BPs (I feel like to be fair to scum we might want to give Gretel more than one of those.)

Possible suggestion: We take away Nier's BP and make it the Jailer ability where he and Yonah are safe for a night.)

 

[Verelios]

Also if Nier has a night shot, Kaine one Vig shot, and the King a Potential Vig shot, shouldn't we give Beepy 1 BP just because 1. It'd fit him being a robot trying to save Kalil 2. it's a bit more fair to him without him being too OP and guaranteed survival.

Plus giving them some slight protection might be good because they can choose to help which ever side they want if it keeps them alive as most survivors usually pick the winning side. Him having protection doesn't automatically help town.

Hell flavor wise we could make it that Beepy is the BP so him taking the hit is basically sacrificing himself for Kalil, he lives but he can't handle another hit and that's why they will die. Naturally they can still get lunched because all of town is ganging up on them so there's no preventing that.

I feel like that's fair...though it does make me wonder if Scum are going to see it that way. I'm conflicted. On one hand, it would be helpful to Beepy and on the other, if town don't fumble things then that's a dark road for scum.

 

[Verelios]

Now I realize that this might give town a lot protection but I think it's fair for several reasons:
1. Fyra will die if she actually protects anyone (Could be N1 or possible N5).
2. Sebastian can't protect himself or the same person twice in a row plus his shots will be limited I assume???
3. Emil has only one BP.
4. The Mayor dies if his partner is killed.
5. Nier might not even get his BP.
6. He may not even get the "tell a story" action and if he does it only protects Yonah when she has been outed as Yonah.
7. We have three possible vigilante shots so if all activate then a lot of peeps might die.
8. Gretel is a Strongman that can break through doctor protection and BPs (I feel like to be fair to scum we might want to give Gretel more than one of those.)

Possible suggestion: We take away Nier's BP and make it the Jailer ability where he and Yonah are safe for a night.)

That's a good suggestion, though very situational. I'm thinking it's ultimately fine for one of the powers to be like that so we'll go with bedtime story jailer instead of BP, and give BP to Beepy.

 

[Pedro]

I do feel like making one more slightly weak power for Nier might make it more fair, it's just that I'm drawing a blank on other town powers at the moment.

@Pedro, what say you?

I actually think the town JOAT is too strong as it is, I'd probably remove the Vig shot and leave the other 4 abilities. I'd also change the BP to a self-protect shot, that way the shot gets used regardless if someone tried to kill Nier during that night or not. Giving him a free BP is a huge advantage.

Silencer/Ninja/Switcher is fun for the mafia JOAT ^^

 

[Pedro]

Also if Nier has a night shot, Kaine one Vig shot, and the King a Potential Vig shot, shouldn't we give Beepy 1 BP just because 1. It'd fit him being a robot trying to save Kalil 2. it's a bit more fair to him without him being too OP and guaranteed survival.

Plus giving them some slight protection might be good because they can choose to help which ever side they want if it keeps them alive as most survivors usually pick the winning side. Him having protection doesn't automatically help town.

Hell flavor wise we could make it that Beepy is the BP so him taking the hit is basically sacrificing himself for Kalil, he lives but he can't handle another hit and that's why they will die. Naturally they can still get lunched because all of town is ganging up on them so there's no preventing that.

;;; sad flavor

how about we give the Survivor a BP and remove the BP from the Town Roleblocker? the latter doesn't really need protection, unlike the former.

 

[lokiduck]

I actually think the town JOAT is too strong as it is, I'd probably remove the Vig shot and leave the other 4 abilities. I'd also change the BP to a self-protect shot, that way the shot gets used regardless if someone tried to kill Nier during that night or not. Giving him a free BP is a huge advantage.

Silencer/Ninja/Switcher is fun for the mafia JOAT ^^

oooh a self protect shot would be cool, but would do you think of my idea of him having a 1 time jailer ability? Could we do both the Self Protect shot and that or is that too much?

 

[lokiduck]

;;; sad flavor

how about we give the Survivor a BP and remove the BP from the Town Roleblocker? the latter doesn't really need protection, unlike the former.

Sounds fair.

Edit updated Beepy and Emil info.

 

[Pedro]

The Jailer that only works with one role is situational like Vere said, wouldn't be fun for the player that gets the JOAT role as the odds of them successfully using it are low.

 

[lokiduck]

The Jailer that only works with one role is situational like Vere said, wouldn't be fun for the player that gets the JOAT role as the odds of them successfully using it are low.

I was mostly doing it that way mostly to give him a weaker power that might end up being helpful depending on how it is used. But i see what you mean. If Yonah dies before he gets it then it's useless.

 

[lokiduck]

So SL is done.

Nier has so far:
-1 Track (honestly makes sense since he hunted)
-1 Self-Protect Shot
-1 Double Vote (Possible counter to SL)
-1 Message

 

[lokiduck]

I feel like either we should stick with just giving him these four roles one at a time based on RNG or we should still include the 1 shot jailer (Not Yonah specific)/something else?

A Jailer that is used on anyone might be too much even if it's one time (again why I wanted it to be for a specific character) is it possible we could just expand on what flavors it can be used on... (like his close friends but not minor characters?)

 

[lokiduck]

Also if scum complains about the neutral survivor having a BP, I will sight the fact that they have a Strongman. XD

 

[Verelios]

So SL is done.

Nier has so far:
-1 Track (honestly makes sense since he hunted)
-1 Self-Protect Shot
-1 Double Vote (Possible counter to SL)
-1 Message

I think that's good for now, thinking about the likelihood Nier will get to D4. Jailer seems a lot more all-rounded than a JOAT should be and making it so that he can only target 3 or 4 people is a bit harsh.

 

[lokiduck]

I think that's good for now, thinking about the likelihood Nier will get to D4. Jailer seems a lot more all-rounded than a JOAT should be and making it so that he can only target 3 or 4 people is a bit harsh.

Very true. We don't want to give town too much protection even if there is a chance he may not get the ability and he may not even live past day 1 anyways.

So in that case I guess we are done with everyone's powers and we just have to figure out the order for all the night actions so the mods and us know how to judge them.

 

[lokiduck]

What I propose based on how it is normally done and based on what night powers we have.

1. Hide (Flavored as Dream)
2. Block/Motion Detect/Track
3. Switch
4. Message
5. Role Fish/Role Check
6. Check Scent (Our neutral hunter's ability)
7. Strong Man Kill
8. Protect
9. Kill

Here are some things I'm wonder about.

1. I feel like the hider should be untrackable because flavor wise he is just dreaming with someone else, therefore he doesn't leave where he is sleeping for the night. Same reason he can't be blocked or Switched.

2. Question: I feel like the Motion Detector/tracker should be able to discover if a roleblocker blocked someone, but they should be able to be blocked themselves therefore we keep these abilities at the same level. If a MD is blocked then they will get no results, but if they follow a blocker they will see who their target was but not what they did. The same question applies to the Switcher who should be able to switch who a MD follows, but be watched by a MD???

3. I want all other abilities above the regular kill (and only protect below a strong man kill) because even if the investigator is killed making their results useless because they can't tell town about them, the MD/Tracker will be able to tell who the victim visited that night before they died (if they aren't the one killed of course. If you think this is too OP for the Tracker/MD then we will rearrange things.

4. Additionally the Ninja kill is a weird one to place because it can't be tracked but it can be blocked by a protective power so do we just place it with the kill since most of the community knows that Ninja kills aren't detectable anyways?

EDIT: List is updated two posts below.

 

[Verelios]

What I propose based on how it is normally done and based on what night powers we have.

1. Hide (Flavored as Dream)
2. Block/Motion Detect/Track
3. Switch
4. Message
5. Role Fish/Role Check
6. Check Scent (Our neutral hunter's ability)
7. Strong Man Kill
8. Protect
9. Kill

Here are some things I'm wonder about.

1. I feel like the hider should be untrackable because flavor wise he is just dreaming with someone else, therefore he doesn't leave where he is sleeping for the night. Same reason he can't be blocked or Switched.

2. Question: I feel like the Motion Detector/tracker should be able to discover if a roleblocker blocked someone, but they should be able to be blocked themselves therefore we keep these abilities at the same level. If a MD is blocked then they will get no results, but if they follow a blocker they will see who their target was but not what they did. The same question applies to the Switcher who should be able to switch who a MD follows, but be watched by a MD???

3. I want all other abilities above the regular kill (and only protect below a strong man kill) because even if the investigator is killed making their results useless because they can't tell town about them, the MD/Tracker will be able to tell who the victim visited that night before they died (if they aren't the one killed of course. If you think this is too OP for the Tracker/MD then we will rearrange things.

4. Additionally the Ninja kill is a weird one to place because it can't be tracked but it can be blocked by a protective power so do we just place it with the kill since most of the community knows that Ninja kills aren't detectable anyways?

1). Hm, I agree with Hide being a priority. For 2, I think Switcher would take precedence because the action happens before the block/MD/Track.

2). In regards to your second point, I'm not quite sure about it. So, a MD tells you if someone moved during the night, and I'd actually put RB ahead of MD because if they were directed to each other at the samw time, then RB would supercede MD and MD would get nothing. It's the same reason I put switcher before RB, because if a player switched another player with themselves and they were RBed, I'd think the switch would take priority.

3). Yeah, putting most abilities before the regular kill sounds right, and I'd place a Ninja kill with a reg. kill too.

 

[lokiduck]

1). Hm, I agree with Hide being a priority. For 2, I think Switcher would take precedence because the action happens before the block/MD/Track.

2). In regards to your second point, I'm not quite sure about it. So, a MD tells you if someone moved during the night, and I'd actually put RB ahead of MD because if they were directed to each other at the samw time, then RB would supercede MD and MD would get nothing. It's the same reason I put switcher before RB, because if a player switched another player with themselves and they were RBed, I'd think the switch would take priority.

3). Yeah, putting most abilities before the regular kill sounds right, and I'd place a Ninja kill with a reg. kill too.

Right okay then let me update the list.

1. Hide (Flavored as Dream)
2. Switch
3. Block
4. Motion Detect/Track
5. Message
6. Role Fish/Role Check
7. Check Scent (Our neutral hunter's ability)
8. Strong Man Kill
9. Protect
10. Kill/Ninja Kill

Next question: Should the Switcher be able to switch who the hider dreams with? Personally it doesn't make sense lore wise, but we need some sort of weird counter for the dreamer since he can't be blocked or tracked. XD

 

[Verelios]

Actually, now I'm wondering if switch does take precedence over RB. It wouldn't make sense to not be able to RB a switcher I assume, so in what situations would that happen?

 

[lokiduck]

Yeah I'm not sure about that either. Edit: Scratch that i can't think of anything.

 

[lokiduck]

If Emil roleblocks SL but SL switches on him then that is something to consider. If we let the Switch be above Blocking then that means that Emil's target is switched to a townie or possibly one of the neutrals, but if we let Emil's roleblock win out then SL is blocked and nothing happens.

Also how are we going to deal with both roleblockers. If Emil Blocks Noir and Noir Blocks him then I guess in that case they just cancel each other out.

If Emil blocks SL who has a switch on Weiss, but Noir blocks Emil.

In that case I'd say Noir blocks Emil, which means SL can do his switch on Weiss.

In the reverse (Emil blocks Noir who blocks Nier) Emil will block Noir and Nier can do his action.

 

[Pedro]

What I propose based on how it is normally done and based on what night powers we have.

1. Hide (Flavored as Dream)
2. Block/Motion Detect/Track
3. Switch
4. Message
5. Role Fish/Role Check
6. Check Scent (Our neutral hunter's ability)
7. Strong Man Kill
8. Protect
9. Kill

Here are some things I'm wonder about.

1. I feel like the hider should be untrackable because flavor wise he is just dreaming with someone else, therefore he doesn't leave where he is sleeping for the night. Same reason he can't be blocked or Switched.

2. Question: I feel like the Motion Detector/tracker should be able to discover if a roleblocker blocked someone, but they should be able to be blocked themselves therefore we keep these abilities at the same level. If a MD is blocked then they will get no results, but if they follow a blocker they will see who their target was but not what they did. The same question applies to the Switcher who should be able to switch who a MD follows, but be watched by a MD???

3. I want all other abilities above the regular kill (and only protect below a strong man kill) because even if the investigator is killed making their results useless because they can't tell town about them, the MD/Tracker will be able to tell who the victim visited that night before they died (if they aren't the one killed of course. If you think this is too OP for the Tracker/MD then we will rearrange things.

4. Additionally the Ninja kill is a weird one to place because it can't be tracked but it can be blocked by a protective power so do we just place it with the kill since most of the community knows that Ninja kills aren't detectable anyways?

EDIT: List is updated two posts below.

Actually, now I'm wondering if switch does take precedence over RB. It wouldn't make sense to not be able to RB a switcher I assume, so in what situations would that happen?

There is a section about the priority of night actions in the Guide for Gamerunners, that's followed in every game; action priority is not something that's decided by the designer because we have that standard. Using it for the PRs present in this design would look like this:

1. Gossip Hider
2. Switcher shot from Mafia JOAT
3. Roleblocker
4. Self-Protect shot from Town JOAT/Doctor/Bodyguard
5. Vote Silencing shot from Mafia JOAT/Message shot from Town JOAT/Mailman
6. Kill from Miller/Mafia/Triggered Vig <- Strongman and Ninja are just modifiers here
7. Tracker shot from Town JOAT/Motion Detector/Role Fisher/Role Cop/Hunter

Additionally, there's an observation there about how a Roleblocker and a Switcher interact together.

 

[Pedro]

Also how are we going to deal with both roleblockers. If Emil Blocks Noir and Noir Blocks him then I guess in that case they just cancel each other out.

There's a section on the wiki about multiple RBs: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Roleblocker (saving you a click, there's no consensus on what's done and you can either choose that someone who has been Roleblocked can't Roleblock someone else, or you can choose that all Roleblocking happen at the same time and let every Rolebocking action go through)

edit: rolebocking lol i'm tired but this is making me laugh

 

[lokiduck]

There is a section about the priority of night actions in the Guide for Gamerunners, that's followed in every game; action priority is not something that's decided by the designer because we have that standard. Using it for the PRs present in this design would look like this:

1. Gossip Hider
2. Switcher shot from Mafia JOAT
3. Roleblocker
4. Self-Protect shot from Town JOAT/Doctor/Bodyguard
5. Vote Silencing shot from Mafia JOAT/Message shot from Town JOAT/Mailman
6. Kill from Miller/Mafia/Triggered Vig
7. Tracker shot from Town JOAT/Motion Detector/Role Fisher/Role Cop/Hunter

Additionally, there's an observation there about how a Roleblocker and a Switcher interact together.

I originally got the order list from the gamerunner guide, I guess I just missed what happens when a RB Switcher interact though.

In either case, thanks for informing on that.

 

[lokiduck]

There's a section on the wiki about multiple RBs: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Roleblocker (saving you a click, there's no consensus on what's done and you can either choose that someone who has been Roleblocked can't Roleblock someone else, or you can choose that all Roleblocking happen at the same time and let every Rolebocking action go through)

Oh okay, In that case I would probably have it that both RB's work, but if one targets the other then that one gets the priority meaning the one being targeted is Roleblocked.

With this many players there is always a chance that none of them will hit each other anyways.

Okay so now that we have a order list and all of our roles figured out, what else do we need to do to be able to submit this for review?

 

[Pedro]

Okay so now that we have a order list and all of our roles figured out, what else do we need to do to be able to submit this for review?

Nothing, you're set! Just gotta tell someone in the Review Team that you have a game in need of reviewers and who are its designers, and soon they'll bring people here to balance the game.
Y'all may have noticed that since Vere entered the chat I took a step back from being involved in the creative process and started only giving feedback on ideas and some guidance. That's because I wanted to give you two the room to make the game you wanted since this is the first time for you two <33 Sorry if I have been no-fun-pedro

Because of that too, unless either of you want me there I'm not gonna be in the review talk or running the game (i'll be in the modchat anyways so whatever lol); this game is yours and I was just a helper. I wish y'all and this game the best and I hope people love it!!

 

[lokiduck]

Nothing, you're set! Just gotta tell someone in the Review Team that you have a game in need of reviewers and who are its designers, and soon they'll bring people here to balance the game.
Y'all may have noticed that since Vere entered the chat I took a step back from being involved in the creative process and started only giving feedback on ideas and some guidance. That's because I wanted to give you two the room to make the game you wanted since this is the first time for you two <33 Sorry if I have been no-fun-pedro

Because of that too, unless either of you want me there I'm not gonna be in the review talk or running the game (i'll be in the modchat anyways so whatever lol); this game is yours and I was just a helper. I wish y'all and this game the best and I hope people love it!!

Thank you so much for all of your help! I noticed you had taken a step back, but I haven't felt you were a no fun Pedro at all (Though I do think no fun Pedro is a cute nickname and is fun to say.) and I really appreciated your comments in helping making sure the game is balanced.

I'm excited that it didn't take too long to put this game together so I look forward to getting it reviewed and hopefully one day put on the schedule. Once that happens I'm probably going to ask someone to let me sit in on the behind the scenes for another game just so I can see what it's like and get used to Modchat.

I really hope this game goes well though and that everyone enjoys it :o I also really hope my favorite roles don't get insta-lunched. XD

I already got ideas for another game (silly me can't stop thinking of ideas apparently) but I'm going to wait until this game is complete proper before I even humor that one.

 

[lokiduck]

Also I see what you mean now about the roleblocker and switcher in the gamerunner guide, I just didn't realize because instead of switcher it says Troublemaker. That makes sense then.

 

[Pedro]

Also I see what you mean now about the roleblocker and switcher in the gamerunner guide, I just didn't realize because instead of switcher it says Troublemaker. That makes sense then.

Ugh, let me rewrite that part. What's more confusing is that in the priority order it's listed in the "Bus" section, refering to "Bus Driver" which is another name for the damn role lol. Gonna change everything to "Switch"/"Switcher".

edit: done, thanks for pointing that out

 

[Pedro]

Thank you so much for all of your help! I noticed you had taken a step back, but I haven't felt you were a no fun Pedro at all (Though I do think no fun Pedro is a cute nickname and is fun to say.) and I really appreciated your comments in helping making sure the game is balanced.

I got that from monkey, she calls herself "no fun monkey" sometimes (but she's a very funny and kind person, don't trust her when she says that) c:

Once that happens I'm probably going to ask someone to let me sit in on the behind the scenes for another game just so I can see what it's like and get used to Modchat.

We'll be glad to have you there!

I already got ideas for another game (silly me can't stop thinking of ideas apparently) but I'm going to wait until this game is complete proper before I even humor that one.

yes, more games

 

[lokiduck]

We'll be glad to have you there!

Thanks I look forward to it even if I will be instantly spoiled on everything. c:

yes, more games

I hope everyone knows what the Fate series is about because [REDACTED GAME SPOILERS]

I'm sure I could come up with even more games with out even trying. If I get really good at it and like doing it I may end up making some games other people can adopt.

 

[lokiduck]

Also since it sounds like Verelios and I might be the gamerunners it might be fun if at least on om we each take one of the twins during the game for our avatars (if we do it I call Popola). :o

 

[Pedro]

Also since it sounds like Verelios and I might be the gamerunners it might be fun if at least on om we each take one of the twins during the game for our avatars (if we do it I call Popola). :o

that would be sweet c:

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All i know about the Fate series is that it has some japanese-ass titles, like kaleid something something, or something apocrypha, or "extella link"??? A friend has been trying to get me into it since last year but so far he's not been successful

 

[lokiduck]

that would be sweet c:

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All i know about the Fate series is that it has some japanese-ass titles, like kaleid something something, or something apocrypha, or "extella link"??? A friend has been trying to get me into it since last year but so far he's not been successful

We'll see if Verelios agrees XD If not I'll be one twin on Resetera and the other on OM XD.

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I got into it because of the mobile game Fate/Grand Order because I'm a mythology and history nerd and my friend assumed I'd like it.

Fate's pretty cool though. It started out as a visual novel game that exploded into a bunch of anime, video games, light novels, manga, and of course the mobile game.

[REDACTED OTHER GAME TALK]

Also Fate/Kaleid is the magical girl spin off series I personally avoid because it's a bit... ._.

Also one of the anime series is legit a family cooking show with fate characters.

 

[Verelios]

Nothing, you're set! Just gotta tell someone in the Review Team that you have a game in need of reviewers and who are its designers, and soon they'll bring people here to balance the game.
Y'all may have noticed that since Vere entered the chat I took a step back from being involved in the creative process and started only giving feedback on ideas and some guidance. That's because I wanted to give you two the room to make the game you wanted since this is the first time for you two <33 Sorry if I have been no-fun-pedro

Because of that too, unless either of you want me there I'm not gonna be in the review talk or running the game (i'll be in the modchat anyways so whatever lol); this game is yours and I was just a helper. I wish y'all and this game the best and I hope people love it!!

No fun Pedro is more like Professor Pedro, very patient and helpful. I did notice you taking a step back though and figured it was for that very reason, but you were still around whenever we pinged you so you get a gold star =D. You're the man Pedro, I could always count on you for any questions I didn't know or wanted confirmation on.

Just wanted to say thanks for being there with us, and also to @lokiduck for giving me the chance to board her amazing ship even though I might've capsized it, haha. You guys are great.

 

[Verelios]

Also since it sounds like Verelios and I might be the gamerunners it might be fun if at least on om we each take one of the twins during the game for our avatars (if we do it I call Popola). :o

Weird, I like Devola better so this works out perfectly.

 

[Verelios]

We'll see if Verelios agrees XD If not I'll be one twin on Resetera and the other on OM XD.

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I got into it because of the mobile game Fate/Grand Order because I'm a mythology and history nerd and my friend assumed I'd like it.

Fate's pretty cool though. It started out as a visual novel game that exploded into a bunch of anime, video games, light novels, manga, and of course the mobile game.

[REDACTED]

Also Fate/Kaleid is the magical girl spin off series I personally avoid because it's a bit... ._.

Also one of the anime series is legit a family cooking show with fate characters.

[REWINDED]

I got into Fate with the original VN but haven't really watched the anime. I have heard some things about Fate/Kaleid and...yeah. I do keep tabs on the Heaven's Feel movies...

FGO is my main attachment to the series nowadays so shoot me a friend invite if you like.

 

[lokiduck]

No fun Pedro is more like Professor Pedro, very patient and helpful. I did notice you taking a step back though and figured it was for that very reason, but you were still around whenever we pinged you so you get a gold star =D. You're the man Pedro, I could always count on you for any questions I didn't know or wanted confirmation on.

Just wanted to say thanks for being there with us, and also to @lokiduck for giving me the chance to board her amazing ship even though I might've capsized it, haha. You guys are great.

No problem, you offered your services as a fellow Nier fan so I figured why not add to the fun with another creator involved 8D

Weird, I like Devola better so this works out perfectly.

Perfect, I'm sure we'll make the best twins ever. XD

Are you thinking of a pair game like Love Boat? That would be pretty nice.

I got into Fate with the original VN but haven't really watched the anime. I have heard some things about Fate/Kaleid and...yeah. I do keep tabs on the Heaven's Feel movies...

FGO is my main attachment to the series nowadays so shoot me a friend invite if you like.

Oh shit really that's neat. I'll give you my friend code in a PM on ResetEra.

[REDACTED SPOILER ABOUT OTHER GAME] If you want to work with me on that one too then that'd be neat :o. I spent my morning putting together some ideas so I guess it wouldn't be too bad of an idea to ask the mods for another game thread to work on that one in.

 

[Verelios]

No problem, you offered your services as a fellow Nier fan so I figured why not add to the fun with another creator involved 8D



Perfect, I'm sure we'll make the best twins ever. XD



Oh shit really that's neat. I'll give you my friend code in a PM on ResetEra.

[REDACTED]

Looking forward to it.

 

[lokiduck]

Looking forward to it.

Wait are you accepting my offer of working together again or are you looking forward to when the game is made because you want to play. XD Sorry I'm confused about this.

 

[Verelios]

Wait are you accepting my offer of working together again or are you looking forward to when the game is made because you want to play. XD Sorry I'm confused about this.

Oh my, yeah, I need to stop posting without adding the subject. I'd love to help out if you'd have me.

 

[lokiduck]

Oh my, yeah, I need to stop posting without adding the subject. I'd love to help out if you'd have me.

Neat :o I asked Pedro about making another thread, so when that's set up I'll make sure you are added. I had fun making this game with you so if you are willing to do it again then that'd be cool.

 

[Verelios]

You'll always have my pokeball. Unless you're making a game based on a TV drama, then <.<

 

[lokiduck]

You'll always have my pokeball. Unless you're making a game based on a TV drama, then <.<

I don't know many TV dramas I'd feel comfortable making (my favorite tv show is Brooklyn 99 but I would never have the heart to put the characters in a scenario like that.)

 

[Verelios]

I don't know many TV dramas I'd feel comfortable making (my favorite tv show is Brooklyn 99 but I would never have the heart to put the characters in a scenario like that.)

Good show, Terry Crews and Jake are my favorite of the bunch.

 

[lokiduck]

Good show, Terry Crews and Jake are my favorite of the bunch.

My favorite is Captain Holt followed by Rosa (100% my bi Icon) and Terry. XD

Anyways when we get the new thread created I'm going to see if we can call it possible Fate/Mafia. I know they have a rule about how threads are named, but I'm hoping we can have a little fun with it since it still has the name of the flavor and mafia. If not I'll try and work it into the subtitle. :<

Also speaking of forum title, when it happens we'll have to figure out what the subtitle should be, but that won't be for a while.

 

[Verelios]

My favorite is Captain Holt followed by Rosa (100% my bi Icon) and Terry. XD

Anyways when we get the new thread created I'm going to see if we can call it possible Fate/Mafia. I know they have a rule about how threads are named, but I'm hoping we can have a little fun with it since it still has the name of the flavor and mafia. If not I'll try and work it into the subtitle. :<

Also speaking of forum title, when it happens we'll have to figure out what the subtitle should be, but that won't be for a while.

Good pick, I like the dynamic between Cpt. Holt and Kevin the best between couples on the show.

What were the rules for how threads are named?

 

[lokiduck]

Good pick, I like the dynamic between Cpt. Holt and Kevin the best between couples on the show.

What were the rules for how threads are named?

Kevin and Holt are 100% my favorite couple on the show though Jake and Amy are adorable.

The rule usually goes "Name of theme" Mafia [OT] - Witty Subtitle So ours will be Nier Gestalt Mafia [OT] - Witty comment (Though honestly if we can figure out a way of incorporating a part of Kaine's speech from the intro of the game that'd be amazing.)

 

[Verelios]

Kevin and Holt are 100% my favorite couple on the show though Jake and Amy are adorable.

The rule usually goes "Name of theme" Mafia [OT] - Witty Subtitle So ours will be Nier Gestalt Mafia [OT] - Witty comment (Though honestly if we can figure out a way of incorporating a part of Kaine's speech from the intro of the game that'd be amazing.)

Yeah, hopefully a good witticism comes to us since I enjoy seeing them when I'm playing.

 

[lokiduck]

I'm really tempted to do "Weiss you dumbass, start playing mafia seriously you rotten book!" or something along those lines if we are allowed to use swear words XD

 

[Pedro]

Alright, removing myself from this board. Don't forget to talk with the Review Team to ask that this game's review gets started (also ask that this board is moved from "Preliminary Designs" to " Designs Currently in Progress").

Also, try not to talk about any other designs xD Your reviewers wouldn't want to get spoiled on any game that's not this one. Alright, see ya o/

 

[lokiduck]

Alright, removing myself from this board. Don't forget to talk with the Review Team to ask that this game's review gets started (also ask that this board is moved from "Preliminary Designs" to " Designs Currently in Progress").

Also, try not to talk about any other designs xD Your reviewers wouldn't want to get spoiled on any game that's not this one. Alright, see ya o/

Alright thanks again for everything!