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Discussion in 'Heroes vs Villains 2' started by Geno, Aug 15, 2019.
REMEMBER: DO NOT MENTION THE ILLUMINATI OUTSIDE OF THIS THREAD OR YOU WILL BE MODKILLED
First rule of the Illuminati: You don't talk about the Illuminati.
Wait, so Loki gets to use her real account, but I have to log into this thing? Lol.
You'll all probably guess who I am eventually, I doubt I'll have to tell you, but I guess we'll wait to see if anyone else shows up.
This is hilarious lol.
I mean, if there are other anonymous accounts here, should we all tell each other who we are?
Also, @Geno @Gorlak is it ok if I put on an avatar for this account, or do I have to leave it blank? Didn't see a rule about that anywhere.
You can tell them anything you want.
You can put an avatar if you want.
Or I guess in case there's someone here who doesn't recognize this face, I'm Fantomas.
Hello. What is going on? Why is Illuminati Member 5 so much like Fantomas?
I don't know if we should reveal our roles to each other here though, at least not yet. I am Town though, we don't have any guarantee that there isn't Scum in here.
I just prefer being open about my identity, especially seeing that we know Loki is in here. I suppose you can all choose whether or not you want to believe me, but let's be honest, someone would have had to go digging to find this specific version of my avatar, it's not the one I'm using on Era or OM right now.
Because I am Fantomas!
One thing that we can do to confirm identities is breadcrumb to each other in the thread.
Simple things, just like quotes and stuff.
For example, I am going to go quote one of Loki's posts right now and post a gif of Chloe and Max bumping their fists.
Now you all know I'm not lying.
I suppose the timestamps could maybe be coincidental there since I did it at basically the same time as I posted in here lol.
But still, I think that's an easy way to confirm identities. We'll just need to make sure we say what we're doing in here, and then go do it in there a few minutes later, so we know it wasn't fake.
The mod-kill for even mentioning the Illuminati outside of this group makes me think that this is our one and true alignment. I mean, I'm considering this an alignment on itself, even though I didn't get a wincon.
I'm guessing this is true for everyone else?
I think everyone believes you Fanto hahah. No reason to distrust a self claim like that.
I still have the normal Town win con in my PM, so I think this is probably just a Neighborhood or something like that, at least for now.
There could be some other abilities in play we don't know about that will change things, since this is Bastard I think we can safely assume that things could get wild in here lol.
#2 checking it.
i have a question, but i'll ask it tomorrow when b/c maybe we'll get some information from the chest openings
Well, well, well. Hey everyone, looks like there's 5 of us so yeah, probably not all town. I've got my eyes on all of you
You know, when I saw that I was a member of the Illuminati, I was really hoping you would also be one just because of how much crazy antics we could get up to in here (and how big this thread might end up being).
So I was delighted to see it was you. :0
Yeah I’m unsure what everyone’s alignments will be in here as really we won’t officially know unless someone from our group flips. Since I’m the only one that you know for sure is a member (being confirmed cap and all) I’ll leave it up to you guys whether you will disclose your abilities and identities.
I’m fine with letting everyone be anonymous even if I don’t get to be :< (which again is very Cap)
This seems like a reasonable way of confirming things so I agree with this as a plan. I’m not personally comfortable breadcrumbing stuff because I’m worried I might mess it up (seriously how did scum not realize I was partnered with Ket in SU XD), but it’s a good plan to confirm identities.
Can confirm that wincon is the town one. As for your opinion, you might be right that this is our true alignment. We’ll see how it develops though.
Yeah I think we might be neighbors, so for now let’s consider us that way until we have more info.
you picked the perfect post to quote from me as it looks pretty natural so no one should notice it.
And I got my eye on you numbah 4 ;)
Yeah, it's up to everyone else if they want to share anything, I prefer at least being open about my identity but that's just me.
So we haven't heard from an Illuminati Member 1 yet, correct? I suppose there is a chance that Loki is technically #1 and the rest of us are the other 4 anonymous members, but there is a chance that we have 6 total in here still, or even more if there are numbers past mine.
Yeah, I think those are the kind of breadcrumbs that we can go for here, just say "I'm going to quote this person and say X, Y, or Z" in here, and then go do it in the thread.
Pre-game is honestly the best time to do this too, because no one will be checking back on these posts once the game starts, so it's good cover for us for now either way.
Again, up to everyone else though if they want to go for it, I just can't help but reveal myself lol.
Would be funny if we were Hydra and we didn’t even know it
I'm trying to weigh what are the benefits to the Town players here for revealing identities versus the benefits for any Scum players here knowing our identities.
I actually think the Townies in here knowing everyone's actual name is probably more useful to us since we already started with less info than Scum. If we know who all is here, we can coordinate things and also put reads on each other based on things said in here and things said in the game thread. We can keep an eye on each other basically.
Scum would just learn who has this role, but not any other abilities that we may or may not have access to. Whether they know our identities or not, they are already privy to our conversations if one or more of them are in here.
In terms of conversations in here, I personally give zero fucks about Scum knowing what I talk about. I have been in 3 different situations, now 4, where I was in a private chat with a player whose alignment I did not know, and I have never been shy about sharing my thoughts with them. One of those times Scum was able to see everything we said without even being in the chat with us, for all we know that's the case with this one as well.
So I suppose my point is that, in my opinion based on my experience with private chats in these games, I'm not going to be shy about saying anything in here, but you all can make up your own minds on that I suppose.
I will post hot take reads in here during the day probably, I might workshop my read lists here before posting them in the thread as well.
During the night I am probably going to do a lot of work. It's not really a worry of mine if Scum sees it or not, because if I can get the chance to do it, as in if I don't die, I'll post it in the game thread as well ASAP, so they would have seen it anyways. If they want to try coordinating with my reads during the night to like, make some push on a wrong read of mine, I can sense that shit happening anyways, and they can try pulling it during the day after they see my reads like they have done to me many times in the past, it doesn't make much of a difference when they see my reads really, they're going to see them eventually.
In the event that I should die, anyone here who is Town will hopefully be able to make use of any reads or conversations we had in here over the night, so I see it as a net positive either way basically.
I was wondering about this too and I'm wondering if Numbah one is actually just me, though we won't really know unless 1 speaks up about it. For now at least we know there are five members at least, and I doubt we may get more because I feel like Geno might have mentioned if more can be recruited... (Since that's how it works with recruitable scum???) but again I could be wrong on that with this being a bastard game.
Holy crap that would be horrible probably because I'd have to break out the hail hydra pic of cap from the comics. XD
Yeah I have to agree with this. When I first learned I was going to have another private chat (Since I got one in my first game too), I was wondering if everyone would be of the same alignment or not and personally I think the best policy is for everyone to just be as open as they personally want to be.
If you want to keep who you are a secret that is fine, and if you want to keep your role secret then that's probably even better since we may have scum in here. Like you I'm probably going to post my reads and opinions in here just to bounce ideas off of all of you (which I learned in my first game is really useful) and keep it casual. The good news is that since we have this chat, is we can work together to solve the game and back each other up, though part of that is hindered if some of our members are scum in here.
Ooohh, fancy Costume banners? Cool lol.
Yeah, I'm guessing it will just be us without anyone else able to join, but it's possible.
Pretty much, yeah. I'm not going to try to force anyone to share anything, but I do think it's worth talking about what we want to do in this chat and how we want to use it. It's here for a reason.
I'm planning to just use it as I would use a Mason or Lovers chat, which is exactly how I've used Neighbor chats or similar things in the past. The only difference is that I don't know my partner's alignment in these cases, so I'm still trying to put honest reads on them and their behavior based on both the game thread and the private thread.
I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but that sounds like a good plan for now. We can't plan all that much until the game starts really when we learn more about what's going to happen, but at least planning on using this thread to swap ideas and make plans seems like a decent one.
Yeah, if anyone else wants to chime in, feel free. I'm just sharing my experience as someone who has now had 5 different games (not counting Love Boat) where I was Town and ended up in a private chat with someone, so this is kind of my thing lol.
I've even been in the very unique circumstance we are in of being in a private chat with someone in a Costume account where we didn't know each other's real identities, though we were Masons in that game so we still knew we were both Town.
Wait, Masons... Illuminati...
Are we just Masons? Lmao.
I'll wait and see what everyone else has to say just so it's not us completely dominating this thread, but in the mean time we really need to decide on the really important topics, like what we should eat for lunch at the Illuminati family picnic next week.
I honestly wondered if we were Masons at first as well, though I think it's more likely we are just neighbors.
Same, but if it winds up that we were all Town here, I called it pre-game lol. :P
One thing that just occurred to me...
Right at the top of this thread, we are all told that we are not to mention the Illuminati outside of this thread or we will be modkilled, period.
Therefore, if there is a Scum player in here, would they even be allowed to report back to Scum chat? That would be them talking about the Illuminati outside of this thread...
That's a really valid point actually. If numbah 3 is correct in that our illuminati status is our true alignment then that makes me wonder if there is even scum in here.
Because if there is scum in here:
- Then they can't tell their mates about us.
- That means they would be able to tell us about their scummates if they choose to be more loyal to us, which is a huge disadvantage to scum if that's possible. (Though it might be more likely that they are more loyal to their scummates.)
However, this is all based on scum not being able to tell their mates about us, and there is a chance that scum chat is the only location where that is allowed.
Anyways, what I want to ask all of you is how likely do you think there is scum in here? Do you think it's extremely likely? Do you think it's not at all likely?
Since the game is labeled Bastard we can't be sure, but I don't think that would be the case, it seems pretty clearly defined to me.
I would say it is highly likely there is one Scum player here in my opinion, any more than that I think would probably be unlikely.
The problem is we don't know exactly how Geno and Gorlak designed the game so it's hard to speculate for sure. For all we know, the Illuminati members were selected at random after the initial roles/alignments were set, that's a perfectly valid thing to do, especially in a game like this. It's also entirely possible that our roles/alignments came with this added Illuminati part from the start and it was all predetermined which characters would be in the Illuminati, we just don't know.
I think it's pretty likely there's at least 1 scum in here. The odds of 5 town members being able to confirm each other like this is a bit dangerous, but there's also a decent chance that we'll start dropping like flies when the game starts. The idea of this being our real alignment and needing to do something later is plausible too, hard to say right now because this game is bananas and nothing will quite make sense until we see it!
I'm gunna be busy for a bit here before the game starts, but I should be back in time to get things started.
I'll do my usual thing of tagging players that I haven't played with before and asking them if they've ever played Life is Strange.
And then all those damn treasure chest or whatever lol we'll see what happens there.
Yeah I guess that's true. If that scum can't tell their team about us then I'm not sure what their purpose is then except to be a spy that has extra info they can't tell his partners about. I guess it'd give them an extra challenge to deal with, helping guide their mates without explaining where they got the info. Either way we won't really know until we get more info.
Yeah I'm wondering about that as well. My leading theory is that Captain America was always meant to be in here (since I'm the only one that isn't anonymous) and Geno told me a fun fact that Cap is a member of the Illuminati in the comics. However as you guys, there is a chance that it was decided randomly or planned from the start and that's something we won't really know until the mods tell us. XD
I do agree that there might be at least one scum in here.
Yeah I really do wonder if the reason we have this group is for some purpose that will happen later, so maybe it'd make sense for scum to have at least one member in here so scum isn't completely kept in the dark?
Crazy theory time: You guys are all neutrals/scum and I'm the only town member in here because I'm confirmed town. XD
Yep. We'll see what happens there.
Just a heads up, I plan on opening one pretty much immediately, so if I die keep up the good fight guys. XD
Cap, I don’t mean to put you on blast, but I went back and read the last game and I had a question.
idk if Geno could be lying to us and that there is scum in here and that player can communicate with other scum. Geno gave us no indication of lying to us last game, so I don’t think this is the case.
that one scum can operate with their own abilities and be our downfall just by themselves.
we have a third party neutral in here. This seems like it could be the most likely scenario To be honest.
but, to my question: Cap, are you still infected with las plagas?
btw, should I call you loki? it just felt right calling you Cap for some reason haha
I'm totally fine with it if you need to put me on blast as long as it helps us find the truth.
You are right that Geno didn't really seem to lie last game, so there is a possibility that he hasn't lied this game as well, though we don't really know.
That is extremely true, and something we should all consider with what info we reveal in here.
I agree that this is the most likely scenario and I was personally leaning towards there being a neutral in here instead of a mafia member. But again we don't know.
Yes I am. To be honest when I saw that info in my PM, I wasn't sure how I was going to deal with it.
You can keep calling me Cap. :o I think it's fun and it helps me feel in character.
Mind you since there might be a neutral or scum in this thread, i'm not sure if it's a good idea that they know about the las plagas thing... >>
Ok, back home, ready to do this!!!
Lol Cap it is then!
yeah I was struggling with bringing it up b/c there’s 1/5 chance the person that trait corresponds too might be in here.
but I’d rather bring it up here than in the game thread and that was the gamble I chose. I’m infected, too.
anyone here a returning character from last game’s “story?” So, one that wasn’t a role from last game.
I'm not sure what this stuff is about and I didn't read the last game, but I am not infected with anything and I do not know for sure if my character was in the last game or not.
Okay that is interesting and kind of supports one of the theories I had (which was that we are all infected in here). Thank you for deciding to bring it up here though.
Well there went that theory I had. XD
Being infected is actually why i wanted to be one of the first to open a chest actually, since if I die we don't have to worry about the whole infection thing.
i was thinking we were potentially remnants of the heroes from last game either playable or mentioned. from there, I was hoping to find a way to confirm the townies in here, but it’s still Day 1 so it’s really not a big deal right now.
im guessing since we can’t speak about this club outside this thread that upon our death, the flip won’t indicate our involvement in this.
it would be nice if we could know if one of our members dies at least in this thread. that would be especially helpful if scum gets killed and that way we’d know they were in this thread
I agree with this reasoning. I was wondering if it'd mention our member status since we might die at any time.
Welp that was fun.
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if that part is kept hidden in our flips.
If it's not hidden, we're all going to have to get very good at evading questions!
Looks like I'll be having to deal with people questioning my confirmed town status, but what can you do. *shrug*
Either way Numbah 2, what do you think we should do about our whole infected status thing? I was wondering if serval players would be at the start of the game automatically (which might be correct with you also being this way) and I'm currently unsure what to do about it.
There could be a role that specifically has to interact with you, like a Poison Doctor, or there might be an item that someone can win that can "cure" people or something.
Yeah I was wondering if that was the case as well.
I guess for now, we'll just have to wait and see what comes up.
Since I don't think any of us did it yet, I googled the name of our thread, and it means "Through me the blind become sighted"
Apparently it's just some Illuminati conspiracy shit lol.
That'd make sense XD I just assumed it was the motto of the Illuminati.
She's on to us already!
This was an interesting point made by Cat, but also had me laughing because I'm pretty sure the additional part to my confirmed status is the whole Illuminati thing plus whatever this virus will do to me if left unchecked. :/
Lol great minds think a like I guess. XD
I’ve been thinking that LokiCap being in here as a confirmed town from the get go is to help other town players to be open too, at least with him. Considering that he’s the only one costume-less too.
Much for that, I don’t think we are all townies in here, so I’d refrain from revealing much info in here about our roles.
I'm a female cap thank you very much :P
But yes I agree that everyone should keep quiet about their roles to not give scum too much info, but again I'll leave that up to you guys in how much you reveal.
Also I just realized how hilarious it is that out of the players, I'm the one that gets cap considering my username/nickname is Loki. (However my username is not actually connected to Marvel's Loki or really even the Norse God kind of???)
Yeah I still don't think we should role claim here for now.
I always read it as a pun, like Low-Key Duck lol.
I was in Junior High when i made a drifter character named Loki (got the name from norse mythology) that had no connection whatsoever to the God.
I had two devil Rubber Ducks (Still have them) so I named them... Loki and Duck, Loki being named after that character.
I needed a username one day... and so I made Lokiduck and here we are.
I wish it had been a pun though because that'd be amazing.
Ah cool haha, my user name is just the name of a band lol. I'm actually thinking about just changing it to Fanto though since that's what most people call me.
Sorry Cap! That was lazy of me. First time playing with you and didn’t go after the player list.
It's no problem. ^^
I always keep a list of all the players nearby just to make sure I get everyone's usernames and pronouns right. XD
I was just about to say the same thing lol.
Can I ask why the other anonymous members here have chosen to stay that way? Just curious I suppose.
As for the game thread, I'm not much of a fan of diving into mechanics speculation early on, so I'm just kind of hanging out seeing what others are talking about for now.
Chugg's role claim is interesting, I tend to believe it just on a Meta level because I feel like that is the kind of thing Chugg would do as Town. I'm not sure if he would come up with an elaborate role claim on D1 as Scum.
Yeah I'm kind of sitting back a bit and letting others talk until I find something I want to talk about (Also I have to leave in an hour so might as well take it casually and get more serious once I'm back.)
Chuggs role does sound interesting and seems to be done in such a way that he's an extremely weak cop since he apparently isn't notified of his honor points at all (we'll see on that) I agree with Oliver that it's better for him to vote though since that will get us more data if he flips, though there is a risk of his item going to someone bad if he voted for too many townies.
I also feel that this seems more like town Chuggs (since I just experienced Scum him), but I want to see more before I can get a real opinion.
Are there any players that stand out you so far as suspicious? (Since we might as well discuss our reads in here a bit. town and scum will see them when we post them in thread so it's not like they will get any major info from us)
Currently I'm wondering if Vere was being suspicious of Weemad because he thinks I'm probably town as confirmed town or because he's trying to pocket me.
TearablePuns ignored my question about LiS, twice, so he's on the suspect list for that alone, also reasons that Sorian touched on and then I brought up again later.
I'm not actually all that suspicious of Faddy yet, he'll become obvious later and has fooled me on D1 in the past.
Vere making that big post in response to Wee felt weird to me for some reason, that's why I called it out, wanted to see if anyone else would bring that up, Sorian seemed to bite on the Weemad side of it though.
Sorian seems fine so far, he hasn't been making too many grandiose statements about the state of the game yet, but like Faddy said, I believe him when he says he's trying to play better as Town.
Those are my not-ready-for-primetime reads I suppose lol.
Agree about Sorian as he hasn't done anything too weird right now.
I find it weird that Oliver went out of his way to confirm with Geno that the text was supposed to be read, when we already confirmed it earlier. It's ultimately NAI because he probably just missed it while catching up, but it looked slightly like busy work.
weemad has been asking people a lot of questions about their opinions on other players, but it slightly comes off as also just doing busy work.
Also apologies to our fellow members if you are any of the people we are talking about since we don't know who you are, but this is going to happen while you remain anonymous. XD
Swamped seems perceptive so far. It was a bit on the nose, but she quickly pointed out that scum read that Fanto just dropped on TearablePuns.
Based on prior experiences she's a much more aggressive player when she's town, so I'm liking it so far.
I was a bit concerned about rushing it and revealing info without knowing what exactly this chat is about, considering the costume accounts and all the secrecy, but I've been thinking about it and keeping information is probably more beneficial for scum than not.
Elaborating, I think the costumes might actually be here to help scum players keep hidden than the other way around. After all, we got LokiCap here as confirmed town and she's the only one without a costume.
Welcome officially then Fandorin! If you are who you say you are, then we have two of the Fa named players that Wee is joking gunning for so we better watch out.
Yeah you might be right in this case as scum can pretend to be someone if they choose to actually claim which will throw off our reads a bit.
Ah, hello Fandorin!
Yeah, agreed on Swamped. I liked that she actually wanted to know why I was giving those reads lol.
Yeah, that was pretty much the mental math I did on it as well, I think it helps Town to know who is in here more.
Weem hate for the Fa seems pure fluff, though I thought is was a weird starting point lol
I hadn't thought that scum could purposely pretend to be someone else in here. Risky as hell though since we could demand specific posts in the game thread, sorta like Fantomas did before game start.
Yeah I'm considering what Weemad is doing as mostly joke posting (that part at the very least) so I'm not taking it seriously. They seem more committed to thinking I'm scum though. XD
Yes I was personally thinking it'd be better if people wanting to confirm their identity talk about what they plan to post to confirm then do so in the thread almost immediately.
There is the concern that scum might pick a phrase and have one of their mates say it just to throw us off (Not sure why but hey it's something) so maybe the thread here should decide what the confirming person is going to say?
Yeah, I feel like at this point it would be too risky for Scum to try claiming as someone else in here. We know how to confirm each other if we have any reason to doubt someone, if someone didn't want to make a predetermined post then that would obviously mean they are lying to us.
Also, this is gunna sound weird coming from me, but I really kind of hope we can somehow turn into a Cult in the future lol.
I'm all ears for some weird phrase for me to confirm myself lol.
Let me pick my OM avatar in here to get stylish like you guys.
I have bad memories with cults, but I'd be fun to have a confirmed townie turn cult just like that haha.
Knowing Geno we might have a weird survival neutral out there that can convert us or something like that. At the risk of being an conspiracy theorist, but I don't think this will be just a honest chat between us. The modkill penalty doesn't line up with Neighbour chats from what I know.
Probably best to keep it simple, like maybe just put a gif in your next post or something? I think we can reasonably assume that would be enough of a hint to us that you are Fando.
Yeah, because of that line about the modkill, I still think it's likely there is a Scum player in here who has to keep this a secret from their teammates, and Scum don't usually change alignments since that can break things wide open obviously.
Looking stylish. As for the comment... hmmm It can't be anything too weird as people might find it too suspect and it can't be something too common that you'd say "like referring to your brother." Got any ideas Fanto?
Considering Numbah 2 and I are infected maybe there's a chance we can turn into a zombie cult? XD
Maybe quote Zipped and make a joke about Jesters or something?
Or quote Kits and Loki talking about the Fallen tag, since you have one too?
Yeah a gif sounds good. I guess just find the right thing to react to and it'll work. XD
I'm pretty tired so I'm probably going to get ready for bed now, don't think I'll be around in the thread anymore, but I'll keep an eye on things on my phone for a bit still probably haha.
Welp fuck my life. I made a comment about Swamped because you did Fanto and now Fran ad probably others will find it weird. :/