Scum Thread Dharkon's Minions

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  1. Geno

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    Welcome, Fran, Sorian and Apoph!
     
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    Franconp Frank

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    Hi scum buddies!!!

    I have to trust Sorian? This is truly a bastard game!

    Only 3 of us so it's likely that we have a lot of neutral or another scum team (and this chat name and the flavour points at that)

    Roleclaim time:. I'm Dracula.

    I have 3 one shot abilities: commute, jail and steal.

    Also I can do the factional kill only on odd days.

    Kinda weak. Hoping that my item gives unlimited shots.
     
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    Gill, two-shot roleblock. Fails when used against Illuminati faction. One-shot extra kill when Illuminati faction is dead. Otherwise, odd-night kills

    Fakeclaim is Nash, 3-shot bodyguard
     
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    Franconp Frank

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    Another faction confirmed?

    Fake claim: Alucard, 1 shot Nexus.
     
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    Franconp Frank

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    Do we play the chest mini game?

    With 4 death chests and only one item I would prefer that town goes for it.
     
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    I'd say hold off, since we don't have good odds of winning and can't afford to lose players
     
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    Franconp Frank

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    I just saw this. Unless Sorian can make the factional kill even days that pretty much confirms that we have another scum faction, who can kill even nights.
     
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  8. Sorian

    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    I'm also only odd night kills, that's the faction part of our role PM so no surprise there, nice to see confirmation on the other faction though.

    I'm xehanort, godfather and twice per game, I can target two players during the night phase and it cause the first player's vote to always be on the second player for the following day phase.

    @Geno @Gorlak First part for Geno, playful fuck you for me ending up with vote bullshit due to kingdom hearts again while on the scum team. Second part for both for housekeeping, so does the player know that their vote was fucked with at day start or are they going to go through the day thinking they can do whatever and then at day end its a surprise that they are really voting for someone else? Also, is this power always active? IE if I make it to lylo with 1 shot left, do I win for free (theoretical normal lylo)?
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    Also, to ask a question on @Dr. Worm 's behalf if that's ok. Is he refunded a shot if he targets illuminati?
     
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    The person has to end on the chosen player. At start they can have their vote wherever. However, they cannot reveal that they were forced to vote on that player or hint at it. Like the death note from 1 but with votes if you remember.
    Also works in Lylo.
    Lastly I didn't even think about the KH thing lolololo
     
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    Geno Well-Known Member

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    Yes.
     
  12. Sorian

    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    What happens if it turbos before they end on the chosen player? And by extension, what happens if they have their vote out somewhere else and their vote helped contribute to a turbo?
     
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    If a turbo happens and their vote is not there is an oops by me. I did not think of it. We will do something on the fly and say you get a hidden extra vote(Placed anywhere you want) the next day. Same thing for the second question.
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    Oh man, I leveled up since last time lol
     
  15. Sorian

    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    So we seem pretty set up with Fran being a good wild card. Kind of annoying that it looks like I have to do the first couple kills since I have alignment check protection but no movement check protection. Getting me to the end of the game lets us win a day earlier (assuming not too much bullshit) but between all the deaths from events and another faction also probably killing, that's kind of a crap shoot to aim for. I almost feel like we should use Apoph's ability as a cop check for illuminati rather than the roleblock but if we get an easy doc or cop claim day 1, that's fine too.

    As far as the mini game, I'm just going to go ham on it. The best advice is to just do whatever you would normally do and err on the side of danger because people will inevitably note that scum would never risk that stuff for no reason.
     
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    how bastardly
     
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    Franconp Frank

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    Another thing I noticed: dead players go to spec or can even be replacements so no revive this time.
     
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    what's the over/under on jester
     
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    I would say no.

    Even in a bastard game they are not liked in our community.
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    Eh, not to spread paranoia but they just as easily could be pretending there is a spec chat.

    I also doubt a jester but I wouldn't rule it out, it's still been allowed once.
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    So two very important things to keep in mind before we start. Geno is very much the exception over the rule when it comes to how much info he divulges in just pure flavor. We know that there are at least two scum factions but don't go hot into the thread assuming that. As far as a normal town player knows, it's possible and that's it, not guaranteed. Second, multi-faction games like this are easier because you can actually scum hunt. There are secret parties in that thread that count as mafia that are not us. Use your time looking for those elements and getting them lynched, finding mafia is never going to put you first on the chopping block early to mid game.

    Bonus, bussing is usually discouraged in small team set ups like this, don't bend over backwards to protect any of us of course and out yourself but there is 0 reason why one of us should be putting another of us on radars if nothing is going on.
     
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    Franconp Frank

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    I was thinking the same thing. I usually have trouble playing as scum because I'm not that good to look like I'm scumhunting when I'm not. Having another scum team to look after gives me something to look after and actually scumhunt.

    I'm not to fond of bussing and I will try to don't do it too much but between both of us would be much more suspicious if we don't go after each other.
     
  23. Sorian

    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    Eh, I usually have to do something you care about before you then relentlessly follow me forever. There have been games where that took longer than others. And then I usually just OMGUS go back at you. The game is so big that I doubt any nit pick the absence of us fighting as long as we both have fights elsewhere.
     
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    So, Sorian can't make the first kill.

    At least he didn't die.
     
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    Sorian, Loki and Wee are roleblocked N1.

    Loki is an innocent child so that's kind of a waste.
     
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    Add Faddy to that list.

    And we should be done with the traps.
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    It was unlikely there was ever death involved this early, someone would have stricken that down as lack of fun. My godfather cover is more on point now that I can't kill first two nights though lol
     
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    tbh I'm kinda disappointed that the punishment was lighter than anticipated

    expecting the last chest or no chest to have the item
     
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    im the best
     
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    What did you get?
     
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    what'd I win what'd I win what'd I win
     
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    was legit expecting to be instakilled from that
     
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    I got a Chaos Emerald

    *chuckles*
     
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    You can't use it, right?
     
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    Dr. Worm Has a PHD in Worms

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    I assume it's intended for a the Hedgehog character, but none of us are the Hedgehog
     
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    So items works like HvV1 then.
     
  37. Sorian

    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    Well, let's not assume too much yet but it's nice that we have it.
     
  38. Geno

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    By the way you can do the give command here if you want to.
     
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    What both of you think about Chuggs claim?

    It seems so convulted that it must be true. The only thing that I'm not sure is if Chuggs is informed how many points does he have. If he does we should take him out early.
     
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    No
     
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    now that Vere mentions it, I assume town has some kind of item inquiry/steal ability

    imo Fran should hold off on item steal until we get a clearer sense of what the item landscape looks like - eight events means a lot of items to distribute, and we're likely to end up with some more anyway

    My inclination is to let Chuggs be for the time being, but you can press him if you'd like - I don't think there's harm in it
     
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    I think that I won't be able to steal Chuggs item.

    I only have one steal so I won't use it until I'm sure that I can get an item that can help us.
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    Obligatory preface that I know this is a bastard game. I don't think he knows his points, that would make him a cop by technicality and it would completely negate my ability. The lie could be my godfather is there to guard against nothing and Chuggs is the only cop but that doesn't feel right.

    I agree that I don't think you can steal what Chuggs has, I don't think it exists yet.
     
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    Chuggs being so paranoid about his item makes me think that it's something that could be useful to us.
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    I don't think he actually knows what it is tbh. The fact that he didn't account for what happens when his count is 0 is also a weird oversight that points to lying but the rest of it is too far out there that there has to be some truth there.
     
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    Never change Faddy.
     
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    Could Faddy be a secret partner?
     
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    Wouldn't rule it out atm
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    As someone who has went through the cycle of Faddy as town and myself as scum multiple times.....No, he just tends to read me wrong often. If nothing else comes up though, I'm fine shooting a roleblock at him, he's being weird regardless, maybe we do get a secret parter or just a refund on the shot and then we know Faddy is the other scum team lol
     
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    @Dr. Worm don't sign up to this event.

    If both of us enter and we are roleblocked noone can do the kill tonight.

    Noone will say anything as you already have an item.
     
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    didn't check the forum until after it started because I received your memo via telepathy
     
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    feel like someone who's not me should push him on this
     
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    scorching take: Faddy and Cat are the other scumteam and advocate not lynching item-holders because they intend to kill them to take the items
     
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    for the record, 19 was the number associated with a now-defunct closeout retailer in my area
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    This day end is so relaxing

    [​IMG]
     
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    I like both the Swamped and Stuart lynch.
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    Going to be afk a bit once day ends, will be in for discussion on night powers a bit later
     
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    The tracker is a good kill for us.
     
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    my gut says kill Vere or Fanto
     
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    Roleblocked players are Loki, Wee, Faddy, Fantomas, Kalor and Stuart.

    I wouldn't go after any of them tonigth.


    If we want to go for a low info kill I would go for Zipped or AB.

    We could go for the mod confirmed Loki. Or I feel that Fando would be a good kill. I'm not opposed to Vere also.

    Or we can just go after Muffin and try to get his item.
     
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    Regarding Roles I wouldn't waste one of Apo's roleblocks. The mod has already roleblocked a bunch of players for us.

    My steal is pretty useless right now. I wouldn't use my jail tonight, I think it could be more useful later. Maybe my commute if there is a possibility that I would be investigated by a cop tonight.
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    I wouldn't go after Muffin, right now all that does is lead into a circle of "why did they go for Muffin's item and not Apop's?" and I don't think we need to open that can of worms. Let's see if we lose all of day 2's items as well then we can re-think. Loki is also just a bait kill, if there is a doctor or watcher, they are on Loki, plus who knows what's up with this game, someone/thing else will probably take care of Loki in time.

    I like the Vere kill, he was middle of the road and I think that's where we need to be. Fanto was thread leader in terms of posts, no reason to touch that right away and Zipped and AB both feel like lynch material.

    As far as roles, I'm still in favor of using a roleblock. I'm not super concerned about saving them when it also acts as a soft cop for the illuminati and if this game works anything like HvV1 then Apop gets unlimited roleblocks if he gets his item anyway. It's doubtful anyone is really wasted with this type of game because we likely will be blocking something. I'd say block one of the vote leaders and see if we can find out if they are town or something else.

    I do agree that the only thing useful from your arsenal Fran is the commute but I think you'll be fine this early.
     
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    I think loki is a trap and I'd rather let the Illuminati try to have a piece of her

    main reason to avoid Vere atm would be that he might be Illuminati, and his flip could clue town into there being two scumteams, which seems bad to reveal earlier than we have to. I think he might be Illuminati based on his posts? he feels like he's mirroring me from a different perspective, but maybe that's my inner townie talking. Regardless, he took a lot of random potshots during the day and there's a lot town could puzzle over there

    I have no idea if I would even have an item - my flavor is SF and my character is Gill, and nothing in my role PM says anything about an item. Even then, it could just enhance my secondary ability to let me do nightly kills. My feeling on roleblocking is that I should assume I've only got the two, and the odds of hitting Illuminati are not that great right now (assuming three/four of them, around 15%).

    Going into tomorrow, I'm thinking I might ease up on Stu? his overtime posts seem pretty convincing to me
     
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    I think that items may be different than the previous game. Both of the events today gave only 1 item even when the second had more than one winner and the first had a lot of chest to give more items. It seems that we will only get 8 items in this game (one per event) and that each one of them could be used by several characters.

    Also Geno said what OJ's item did but never told us what item it was or that the item was destroyed. That's different from the previous game.

    I wouldn't rely too much on getting our items.
     
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    But it's true that the roleblocks could help us find the other scum team and that would give us a name that we could go after and gain townie points when they flip. I'm just unsure about wasting them so early.

    Also I just realized that, as we have the roleblocks to find the illuminaties, maybe they have a role that could find us.
     
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    Oliver having an item is indication enough to me that everyone has an item. Notice that his PM also doesn't specifically mention an item. That one is more grounded so it's possible yours would also just give you one more roleblock but that's fine, I highly doubt the roleblocks end up being worth more as blocks than as potential checks. I will also say none of our items will make it so we can kill every night. The kill isn't our individual ability, it's a factional ability, we can likely kill every night after the illuminati is dead, before that we can probably kill odd nights and they can kill even nights.

    I also wouldn't worry about killing them clueing town into anything. When I had just read my own PM, it was unclear there were two scum teams, yours is the only PM, Apop, that points that out for sure.
     
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    Dr. Worm Has a PHD in Worms

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    if you think I should roleblock tonight, who should I go for? the players who aren't otherwise blocked and aren't us are Cat, TearablePuns, Maolfunction, Verelios, Muffin, Lone_Prodigy, Brazil, Fandorin, Ketkat, Absolutbro, Zippedpinhead, Kitsunelaine, Swamped, NeonBorealis, TheChuggernaut, Vincent Alexander, Malus, and Aeleus
     
  69. Sorian

    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    I think someone who had a chance of being lynched personally. Going in blind, the goal would just be to find illuminati for sure and Tearable and Swamped were just sketchy enough that its possible. Without anything definitive though, really anyone that we think will survive for awhile is a good choice (ie not town reads because there should be other killers at night).
     
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    Let's see if this work for something:

    I'm looking at the events. If you are a cop or some important role you wouldn't sign up because you wouldn't want to die so early or be roleblocked.

    Event 1 Order:

    Sorian
    loki
    Wee
    Chuggs
    Cat
    Tearable
    Stuart
    Aeleus
    Vere
    Faddy
    ---------------------this was the last roleblock
    Fran
    Ketkat
    Fantomas
    Malus
    Muffin
    AB
    VA
    Maol
    Fando
    Apho
    Kalor


    Here the first 3 are roleblocked so I don't think they have important roles (and one of them is Sorian), Chuggs already claimed so it doesn't matter. Cat and Tearable are close to Chuggs so I don't think they have a good role. Stuart is blocked. Aeleus and Vere opened when they knew that the punishment was a roleblock so they were afraid to die but not of being roleblocked. Everyone after Faddy knew that there all the traps were activated so it was safe to open chests. The ones that are weird are Ketkat and Fantomas. Fantomas is blocked so I will omit him. Ketkat posted as soon as the game started and opened a chest as soon as all the traps were out. She was around but decided to not open a chest until it was safe. It makes me think that she was worried about being blocked.

    Event 2: This is the sign up list:

    Fantomas
    Kalor
    Verelios
    Sorian
    Fran
    Faddy
    TearablePuns
    Maolfunction
    Malus
    Lokiduck
    Stuart444
    Swamped
    Muffin

    Everyone signing up knew that they could be roleblocked and they weren't afraid of that. So that makes me think that they were too worried about it. All the players that were around at the time signed up. Swamped was selected but didn't participated.
     
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    Dr. Worm Has a PHD in Worms

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    the only thing about that is that I'm not sure if Illuminati would fear a roleblock - they're likely limited-shot the same way we are, and presumably can't kill tonight anyway.

    if I'm gonna rb tonight, I think I might like to try Ketkat - she seems just under the radar enough that it's worth a shot
     
  72. Sorian

    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    Huh, now that you mention it, I wonder if Swamped purposely didn't play after being selected.

    I'm fine with Ket too though
     
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    Dr. Worm Has a PHD in Worms

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    Swamped's late surge in overtime makes me think she might be up for contention in the near future. I guess Fran'll submit Vere then, if no one has any better ideas?

    lol I thought I NK'd Vere before as scum so I checked and I did, and he was our secret partner in Rick and Morty

    CRYOKINESIS: Ketkat
     
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    Kill: Verelios

    I will try be around in case that someone has a better target but OM is blocked at work and it's hard to check on mobile. I will try to check it before our deadline.
     
  75. Sorian

    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    Kick back and relax
     
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  76. Sorian

    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    (And no, that's not a real command)
     
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    Dr. Worm Has a PHD in Worms

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    nah, I think we good here
     
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    The one that posted is Geno or Gorlack?

    It's a new member (joined today) and that's his only post.
     
  79. Gorlak

    Gorlak Is not technically Roytheone

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    So commands are:
    Dr. Worm: Cryokinesis Ketkat
    Fran: Kill Verelios
    Sorian: being lazy af
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    lol Don't alt accounts catch a ban?
     
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    We were allowed to have the alt for the event.
     
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  82. Sorian

    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    Mafiera continuing to get preferential treatment because we're the best

    And because we stacked the site staff when we made the move to era
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    I assume nothing is stopping us from sharing our hands with each other in here? Is that correct @Geno @Gorlak

    @Franconp If you are going to try and play too, do you have access to this site or are you at work?
     
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    Correct, you can share hands.
     
  85. Sorian

    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    Neat, so if Fran's here, really the goal is just not to be in the bottom 4. Being vote less is whatever, honestly roleblock is kind of whatever today too tbh since we can't kill.
     
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    Franconp Frank

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    I'm going to skip this one. I will be at work and unable to see images so I would need to play with my phone.
     
  87. Gorlak

    Gorlak Is not technically Roytheone

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    Dr. Worm your shot was refunded.
     
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  88. Sorian

    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    lol Lynch Ket then
     
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    Franconp Frank

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    I will try to sign up but I won't be able to coordinate much here. Will try to post my cards at least.
     
  90. Sorian

    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    First hand I have a 10 of spades on the left and an 8 of clubs on the right. I also got eye of truth so I'll likely use it on the 5th card and post there here too.

    If you feel the need to steal from me for any reason, go for it.
     
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    Franconp Frank

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    I have a J, 5 and can Swap a card of another player with one from the deck.
     
  92. Sorian

    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    Make sure to write suits of the cards too.
     
  93. Sorian

    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    5th card will be the six of hearts for the first hand
     
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    We killed scum.
     
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    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    I still got dealt a hand even though I'm not playing

    Left is 5 of clubs and right is 6 of clubs

    I also got the gold sarcophagus, waiting to see if I can use it.
     
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    Q diamonds, 4 spades and negate attack.

    Will fold.
     
  97. Sorian

    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    lol I have the sneaking suspicion that Geno is just ignoring negate attacks. Pretty sure that's what Fanto used on me game 1 and it didn't do shit.
     
  98. Sorian

    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    Oh ok, or the explanation is just different, nvm then
     
  99. Sorian

    Sorian Neutral Ascetic 1-Shot BP SK Alignment Cop

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    Oh, I guess my hand didn't actually exist then since the table got my 5 of clubs
     
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    It's both of us and Malus. This ítem should be ours.