Spectator Thread Inside Muffin

Fanto

Confirmed Town

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Respect to Stu for standing his ground on this one. I know that I can get wound up by tunnels, but knowing that he's in the right on this one makes a difference - it would be easy to back down to try and save face, so fair play to him for seeing his argument through.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Stu will get the last laugh, that's all that really matters. Sorian will feel no shame though, no matter how much we all dunk on him, and I plan to dunk on him quite hard.

Let us all remember his "victory laps" comment from Conspiracy, where he told us that Faddy flipping Scum would be his "claim to fame" in this community. Faddy was Town.

Or maybe the time in Love Boat 3 when he told us all that there was no way in hell that AB was Scum and it was impossible for us to be right on D1, so therefore we should all switch and vote for Kits with him. Kits was Town, AB was Scum.
 
I’ll be honest, I was on board with Stu today. Completely convinced me yesterday but, no offense Maolfunction, you were too much of a good target yesterday.

So I didn’t use my second motivator ability, didn’t know I had an item, used my ability on someone who I knew was town but was roleblocked (and if I had not been jet lagged and paying attention I would have realized)

Fantomas, I used it on you night 2. And you were roleblocked. Geno informed me that you were roleblocked and I wasted 1 of my shots.

I knew that scum could use the old roleblocks to sow discord, and I KNEW they were real. Just had to get it out, and it likely killed me (unless my agreeing with stu is what killed me)

I need spoilers for this game. It’s too hard for me to wrap my brain around.

I wish I had played better,
 
town tunnels are a thing, and it’s hard to change your mind once you “know” they are town.

This would be the first instance where town is knowingly being given false information. And Stu knows that muffin is scum. It really is fascinating
 
haha I think we've all fallen into the trap of 'they are defo town/scum' and been wrong before.

But stu believes without a doubt that he is right, and we know he is right.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Just like I was crazy for pointing out how Muffin claiming Megaman beforehand was incredibly fake feeling, right? Or bringing up how Aeleus doesn't have to be town with that role? Sorian really needs to drop the shtick of "If you don't agree with me, you're bad at the game."
Why stop what's working? Ya'll need to get proactive about it if it's not cool.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Fantomas, I used it on you night 2. And you were roleblocked. Geno informed me that you were roleblocked and I wasted 1 of my shots.
Ah ok, so that's what that was. I got a message from Geno that night, but I actually thought that was just him clarifying to me how my item affected my ability, but yeah after seeing how your Motivator role worked specifically that makes sense now lol.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
What did they say? I’m interested.

Interworkings of the games intrigue me.

Like I said I crave spoilers
First he told me that I would gain 1 more shot of my ability if I had the item, which was after I first "won" it. (Sorry about that again, you know how it is out there though lol <3)

But then the following night he sent me a message saying if I hadn't been roleblocked then I would have been able to use my ability twice at no extra cost.

So I thought that was just him clarifying what he meant by me getting an extra shot and also reminding me I was roleblocked, but it was actually you hitting me with that Motivate lol.
 
Why stop what's working? Ya'll need to get proactive about it if it's not cool.

It just feels needlessly antagonistic to me, and feels like it's more just going to annoy the person he says it to and turn them against him even further. But, I'm also having an incredibly terrible week and have a lot less patience for things right now.
 
It just feels needlessly antagonistic to me, and feels like it's more just going to annoy the person he says it to and turn them against him even further. But, I'm also having an incredibly terrible week and have a lot less patience for things right now.

I agree on this. I know it is a way to play the game but everyone thinks differently and someone might see evidence that others may just not. Regardless of if it is right or wrong.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
It just feels needlessly antagonistic to me, and feels like it's more just going to annoy the person he says it to and turn them against him even further. But, I'm also having an incredibly terrible week and have a lot less patience for things right now.
Yeah, I can see where you're coming from, and I know how frustrating it could be. I just think that for Sorian, he likes to play off reactions and emotions so you either OMGUS him or as you said, turn against him at any chance possible.
 

cabot

Why.
Sorian's arrogance is part of his play persona.

The only way he humbles himself is if someone challenged him by saying 'He'll never change it up'.

WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE
 

cabot

Why.
Ah, memories...

I feel for Stu here but he just doesn't have the type of character that really rallies people behind him.

Unlike Sorian, who has chucked his theory in the bin. If it was the other way around it'd be making way more headway with the group.
 

Swamped

Dazzling Mafia Queen
I feel bad for Stu, but clearly this playstyle isn't working. It's one thing to know you're right and feel vindicated later, but this is a team game after all and that kind of play isn't too helpful overall. All it's doing is alienating people.

Proud of Muffin though! Don't know how long this will last, but you got this!

Faddy's vote on Stu is so bad lol.

I'm still 3 pages behind, catching up!
 
I've said there's only 8 events but...event spoils
There's actually 10, after mafia teams are defeated, there's a huge Boss fight Vs. Galeem/Dharkon, made this mockup of what it will look like.
iq8HuZH.jpg
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I feel for Stu here but he just doesn't have the type of character that really rallies people behind him.
I feel bad for Stu, but clearly this playstyle isn't working. It's one thing to know you're right and feel vindicated later, but this is a team game after all and that kind of play isn't too helpful overall. All it's doing is alienating people.
Yeah, I feel bad for him too. I don't really know what it is that I do that gets people to listen to me so much, I rarely ever feel like I'm being ignored or dismissed. Yes, I make 10000 posts a day, but Stu can/does do that too.

I guess one bit of advice for him I would give is to not just openly beg people to vote with him, that's something I saw him doing a bit today. I feel like that can have a reverse effect in this game, where people's immediate reaction to hearing someone directly say "Vote for this person!" is "No thanks, I'll make up my own mind," which is perfectly reasonable in my opinion.
 
I guess one bit of advice for him I would give is to not just openly beg people to vote with him, that's something I saw him doing a bit today. I feel like that can have a reverse effect in this game, where people's immediate reaction to hearing someone directly say "Vote for this person!" is "No thanks, I'll make up my own mind," which is perfectly reasonable in my opinion.

He has pointed out though that he is bad at getting his thoughts across. He's laid out what he thinks and with no one believing him, he just went to as you said "Begging people to vote with him".

Though now he's mostly given up with a side of mentioning Muffin every so often ^^; poor Stu
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
He has pointed out though that he is bad at getting his thoughts across. He's laid out what he thinks and with no one believing him, he just went to as you said "Begging people to vote with him".

Though now he's mostly given up with a side of mentioning Muffin every so often ^^; poor Stu
Yeah, I honestly think the posts where he fully laid out his case were good, but people were already dismissing it as a tunnel before he really got to that I guess.

Also he's right that flavor shouldn't really be counting for much here, those posts from Sorian where he's like "Explain to me how the flavor works then, how about, huh!?!!?" were silly lol. I would have to read back to be sure (which I'm not going to), but if I remember right, everyone else came up with the Robot theories on their own, Muffin would just pop in every now and then, nod along, and go "Yep, that's how it works!" before disappearing and letting them continue to Town read him solely for his claim lol.
 
but if I remember right, everyone else came up with the Robot theories on their own, Muffin would just pop in every now and then, nod along, and go "Yep, that's how it works!" before disappearing and letting them continue to Town read him solely for his claim lol.

I think Stu mentioned that earlier as well? But others were just dismissing it by then.
 
Stuart is telling the truth. I don't know why, but he's revealing it. Furthermore *afair* it's the only role that knows which item he needs, again I don't know why.
[Redacted] has the frostmourne. Maybe Stu will get his wish now?

And I want it to happen so badly.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Wow, what a claim! He's willing to tell Town that he'll become a SK just so he can kill Muffin! Lmao
 
Stuart is telling the truth. I don't know why, but he's revealing it. Furthermore *afair* it's the only role that knows which item he needs, again I don't know why.
[Redacted] has the frostmourne. Maybe Stu will get his wish now?

And I want it to happen so badly.
I want it to happen too lol, the logic behind him needing to know his item is because I figured the player might not want to become an SK, so randomly getting the item because they just want items would suck, that way they can avoid them if they so please. It was that way with Hayato in HVV1 too.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Muffin said:
Stu did I murder your favourite Pokemon or something?
I don't know if Poliwhirl's in this game at all, but Sans murdered my favourite. Look at how they massacred my transforming smiley boy...
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Pretty much caught up now (was checking out apartments today) though I'll admit I mostly just skimmed through the pages after Stu claimed.

I don't really have any hot take reads unfortunately, my mind is just not able to focus enough for that (I still think Fran is Scum though lol #Tunnel #idgaf), but I do look forward to seeing how the epic Stu vs. Muffin battle continues lol.
 
Yo, wtf :o #spoiler

Also I've mentioned the people I'm suspicious over before but I think the key road to victory for town is:
Muffin -> Faddy -> -> Apop -> Fran -> Sorian

Anyone want to know how many of those are not scum??
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Yo, wtf :o #spoiler

Anyone want to know how many of those are not scum??
If my "vibes" are correct, then they are all Scum lol.

Except maybe Sorian, who is probably just extremely wrong and misguided Town, as per the usual for him.
 
^^; sorry about Stu. He is just really angry right now. He's also dealing with sore eyes all day which is making him feel even more stressed today. Sorry on behalf of him Geno/Gorlak and spec people :(
 
As a gamerunner it's always sad to see players not enjoying playing your game. I wish I could've helped somehow, but I think the only thing that will help him is town finding out he was right all along.
 
^^; sorry about Stu. He is just really angry right now. He's also dealing with sore eyes all day which is making him feel even more stressed today. Sorry on behalf of him Geno/Gorlak and spec people :(

It's hard to blame him with the level of hostility that he's been getting for voicing his stuff. He wasn't being that unreasonable at the start of the day, and raised a lot of good points about Muffin's role and how that would function within the confines of a bastard game. But, he started to get upset when Sorian started to say he was bad at the game, Stan told him to "shut the fuck up" multiple times and stuff like this :

Stantastic said:
so nah, id rather tell you to shut the fuck up until you have anything to add beyond this fucking whining, your acting like a petulant child, stop it.

Sorian said:
People can’t learn from mistakes and try to steer others away from those same mistakes. I’m sorry you live like that Stu.

Like, I don't get why they keep pushing and pushing him and then acting surprised when he gets upset or just doesn't feel like it's fun or worth playing anymore.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
It's hard to blame him with the level of hostility that he's been getting for voicing his stuff. He wasn't being that unreasonable at the start of the day, and raised a lot of good points about Muffin's role and how that would function within the confines of a bastard game. But, he started to get upset when Sorian started to say he was bad at the game, Stan told him to "shut the fuck up" multiple times and stuff like this :





Like, I don't get why they keep pushing and pushing him and then acting surprised when he gets upset or just doesn't feel like it's fun or worth playing anymore.
Literally spat my drink out when I saw Sorian's post. That is some next level gaslighting.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
^^; sorry about Stu. He is just really angry right now. He's also dealing with sore eyes all day which is making him feel even more stressed today. Sorry on behalf of him Geno/Gorlak and spec people :(
Nah, I know how Stu feels like. It sometimes feels like an exercise in frustration trying to have a conversation in thread when you're talking across each other, and seeing two extremely contrasting views go nowhere except dig deeper. Then it all ends with everyone punching down and saying my view is correct, yours is conspiracy theorist bullshit, sit down. It's tough.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Yeah, not sure why people wanted Vincent all of a sudden, and the case against LP was kind of weak from what I read. Wish they would have gone for Fran or Sorian. Or Muffin, of course.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Gotta say, you were the cop out lunch when no one wanted to rock the boat LP. It was just easier to go for you =/
 

Lone_Prodigy

Am I at 10 posts yet?
Hmm I did agree with Stu that Muffin has been playing poorly but it's hard to argue against that when he gets his own confirmed town gif. And it surely didn't need to get that hostile either. I also emphasize about the inability to convince anyone of your reads.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Hopefully Tearable stays safe, that hurricane is serious business.
I wonder what the new day will bring? LP shouldn't have been lunched though :(
It'll be interesting to see Sawneeks showing up late to the party, that's for sure. I wonder if she's been keeping up with things.
 
Okay, so I know of Muffin, which before the green check I was ready to vote at the start of D5 with a long ass post! Then the green check happened and I knew it wasn’t going to happen so I didn’t even post it.
I proposed the possibility of him being on both teams and now that I think about it, I have no idea why I suggested he was more likely on Mao’s team... he was infected after all...
But I still had him as someone I’d lunch if it came down to it, given my day start attitude. Almost being the only one to entertain Stu.
Boy do I feel bad for him...

Here’s who I think is scum alongside him:
Fran, Brazil, and Apo

I kind of want Tearable to be lynched, something good will happen haha. No offense Tearable.
Wtf is this??
 
Okay, so I know of Muffin, which before the green check I was ready to vote at the start of D5 with a long ass post! Then the green check happened and I knew it wasn’t going to happen so I didn’t even post it.
I proposed the possibility of him being on both teams and now that I think about it, I have no idea why I suggested he was more likely on Mao’s team... he was infected after all...
But I still had him as someone I’d lunch if it came down to it, given my day start attitude. Almost being the only one to entertain Stu.
Boy do I feel bad for him...

Here’s who I think is scum alongside him:
Fran, Brazil, and Apo


Wtf is this??
It's because I would post Thanos gaining a stone, no offense Tearable lol. I was worried
Faddy
might die before I get a chance to do so.
 
Btw @Swamped and @Verelios you guys had me certain I was targeted for poisoning with those posts defending me. Well played.
Almost got me lunched because of it!
Still can’t believe I avoided two lunch trains this game.
Think I’m in a good spot for Sneeks, if I do say so myself :)
 
Correct, we will probably get to see the Galeem one, but we won't get to see the Dharkon most likely, at least not in an actual threatening way
Dude this game is/was so awesome to be apart of! It took the most out of me to sub out lol

These night phases have been the most unpredictable I’ve ever seen. Interested to see this nights shenanigans
did anyone attempt to target me N1?
 
Dude this game is/was so awesome to be apart of! It took the most out of me to sub out lol

These night phases have been the most unpredictable I’ve ever seen. Interested to see this nights shenanigans
did anyone attempt to target me N1?
Haha thanks, and I gotta say you played a lot better than 1. No to your question though, unfortunately.
 

Alexem

Yeah, I'm town
Stuart444 said:
Tried to save wee, because ya know, green check.
So Stuart sussed that Muffin's green check was fake and spent the day trying to convince town, but tried to save Weemad after trusting in her fake green check. We're at rain on your wedding day levels of irony here.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Well if people's Role PM's are just being filled with lies then I guess I'll just wait til the end of the game lol.
 
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