Spectator Thread Inside Muffin

Oh, no. Don't tell me we're talking... death millers?
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weemadarthur

Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
So Stuart sussed that Muffin's green check was fake and spent the day trying to convince town, but tried to save Weemad after trusting in her fake green check. We're at rain on your wedding day levels of irony here.
Ain’t a fake. :(
I don’t GET townier than this.

I think zeke is the gossip.
 

weemadarthur

Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
What would it look like if Fandorin didn't die?
What do you mean?
You know my role lol.

I barely even lied about it. Did I have an item?
Sorian promised to give me things but he didn’t. I tried telling him I couldn’t threaten mafia in the gossip chat in the hopes of avoiding the NK, but I guess that didn’t work.
 
This is soooo sus, I would be right on this if i wasn’t ded.

Wait, what is jedah? Lol. Does that work like my prevarication?

Also i’m thinking Cat is town. Am i right? *hugs cat from the beyond*
Jedah is a self mutilating demon that fights with blood.
 

weemadarthur

Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
If I was jedah i’d have called myself a BLOODY rat. Duh.

You know. To go with the british spellings i was using for no particular reason.
 

weemadarthur

Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
Jedah’s item was ??? and made him ninja, undetectable and untargetable and also gave him infinite strongman faction-kills.

Whoa, is this real? I still have role envy, i realize that i was a bit extra oomphed, but that 1 shot thing really HURT.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
But...why?
I thought you at least loved me fanto.
I do, I'm just terribly confused and am not paying much attention to this game anymore.

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So Fandorin was Scum and gave his Role PM to Wee when he died? Is that what's going on here? Or Fandorin is only fake-dead and will come back to life at some point?

And is Sorian Scum?
 
Whoa, is this real? I still have role envy, i realize that i was a bit extra oomphed, but that 1 shot thing really HURT.
Spoilers for Jedah's item.
Jedah's item gave them almost all those, +1 fake flip(what happened to you) and the ability to recruit 2 townies to the team
 

weemadarthur

Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
Anyone wonder if maybe Faddy did a bit of TMI here?

Aka maybe Wee wasn't scum, maybe Faddy let on a bit more about his own role than we thought. hmm.

Holy crap. Go stu! <3<3<3<3<3
 

weemadarthur

Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
I do, I'm just terribly confused and am not paying much attention to this game anymore.

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So Fandorin was Scum and gave his Role PM to Wee when he died? Is that what's going on here? Or Fandorin is only fake-dead and will come back to life at some point?

And is Sorian Scum?
Look, I’m assuming that Fandorin sacrificed himself to give me his role card.

I’m Raiden from MK, a time-unlimited watcher with only 1 natural shot.

I wasn’t allowed to check who hypnotized Chuggernaut because the roleblock applied for all time on me on N1. So I went for checking aeleus’ claim as best I could.

That’s all I could do, for the game. Lol.
 

weemadarthur

Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
And the only suggestion I made about my extra capabilities was accidental lol. I did use the term “4th dimension”.

If i wasn’t ded, I’d have given rebellion to AB and the revolver back to aeleus, because although i wasn’t too sure if they were town, it seemed like it couldn’t hurt us any more in their hands.
 
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weemadarthur

Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
how many non town players are in this game? Because with like 3 janitors, i’m....confused how town has a shot from the beginning.
 
how many non town players are in this game? Because with like 3 janitors, i’m....confused how town has a shot from the beginning.
Well scum can shoot each other, plus town has a lot of roles that confirm themselves, it's not my fault you guys lynched the cop...
 
Alright alright I'll answer the Sorian question.
Yes, part of Forces of Darkness, he is Xehanort and has his item right now, that team is still full, not a single member has flipped
 
Alright alright I'll answer the Sorian question.
Yes, part of Forces of Darkness, he is Xehanort and has his item right now, that team is still full, not a single member has flipped
if that team is Sorian, Brazil, Fran i will never forgive you lmao
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Meh. So is it Sorian, Faddy, and Fran? Someone else too? Don't answer, I'm just speculating.
 
If Brazil is Scum, my heart will literally be broken.
The only thing that makes me suspect Brazil is his defense against Fran last day phase. i wanted that lynch so damn bad and for some reason LP was being voted... I even gave reasons, but Brazil wasn't hearing it and people have been town reading him, so i knew the lunch wouldn't shift to Fran.
In retrospect, i should have just stayed there in stubbornness just like I did w/ Muffin D2
 

Lone_Prodigy

Am I at 10 posts yet?
Town is in an uphill battle I think with all the different factions out there. Losing the tracker hurt. The override hitting town, Kalor offing himself, and malus being killed by the event didn't help either.

I like the change from the 1st game though. In that one everyone was neutral, and it seems this time everyone is scum.
 
I was pretty angry which is one reason I'm glad to be out of the game now but

The main reason for subbing out is. I feel ill/awful now and am in agony. :(
 
Stu, I wasn’t going to post this but you of all people deserve this to see it. This was going to be my opening D5 post before I saw the mod confirm on Muffin.

VOTE: Muffin


Potentially could be in FoL.

He could have tried to bus Swamped right before the EOD she was lunched. The vote was 9 Swamped, 7 Aeleus after Muffin placed his vote on her. 4 POSTS LATER (the next vote that was placed) Swamped voted for Aeleus and this was her last post of the game. Over 30 minutes left until EOD and she made no other posts. Could have been a coordinated bus by Swamped and Muffin since Swamped was more than likely getting lunched.

But I admit, this isn’t the team I think he’s on.


He’s most likely on Mao’s team:

Still waiting on a response to this, and it's the end of my work day so I'm gonna be busy for a couple hours or so.

Gonna drop a vote on Muffin for now until I get a proper response to the motivation on voting OJ.

Vote: Muffin

The hell man? Your only justification for voting OJ is this:


but you are going after me for voting there? I said that OJs post being concerned about a joke vote on someone felt fake to me early on. Later wee said the same and also brought up the other point which made it seem like OJ was playing dumb om purpose, which I agreed with.

My vote was after the tie and I was voting on the wagon that I felt was most likely to prevent the sudden Swamped wagon that was gaining traction at the moment from going through.


Yours was a couple hours before EoD, and it wasn't a particularly strong reason in the moment of the vote. Though if you were following wee, I can understand that. I don't think there's a good reason to lunch you, and I think town has better options. (Swamped, at least until she shows up)


Anyway, I'm heading to bed. Up way too late, but I'll Unvote before hitting the sack.

I don’t find this interaction genuine. Mao easily unvoted Muffin, and even though he placed a vote on Muffin, he claims there wasn’t a really good reason for it. Yet, he voted for me during the TD and even after the TD was over with he stayed on me. There were more suspicious players last day phase, and his argument against me was poorly relayed and relied on a post that Fanto made on D1... I told him he should look at other players too but he refused. Yet, Muffin easily got him to unvote...


We just learned that fake claims can be from alternate universes than the character. Thus, i do not believe Mufifn’s megaman claim.

He’d have to be connected for muffin to have claimed megaman with 2 minutes to spare? Because there’s no reason for a scum player to RELY on geno giving their fake name to some random town rolecop when they’re already (hypotheticaly) pretending to have missed the last couple hours of game.

i do believe Geno has been mixing in the fake names with the real names in each of AB's character choices. I dont think the main focus of that ability is to red check and/or green check a player; the purpose is to simply force a player to claim a character.

So, now we need to figure out if Muffin gave the fake claim or the real claim.

I believe Muffin was watching the game thread the entire time and he knew what was going on in the thread 10 minutes before EOD, so he was totally prepared to fake claim. If he did it short notice right before EOD it would garner him town points.


Next, Muffin didn’t disclose his item when he lost it. He should have done it right away without anyone having to question him about it one time, two times, any times. Period. Just like Apo did.


Which brings me to this.

I got infected with the Las Plagas virus btw.

I never understood this. He said this immediately when he entered the thread that day, yet he can’t tell us immediately when he loses an item or who he copied?

Muffin wanted people to know he’s been infected by something so Townies would believe a neutral or scum team had targeted him the night before. I think he wanted the townie points.


Mooore:

The other two scum had fakeclaims in their universe, under your theory I'm scum with a fakeclaim outside of my universe. Could be Geno mixing it up in theory but it lessens your argument here.

He pretty much shoved this post in Stu’s face to discredit him for suspecting him.

I don’t think Stu is dumb enough to go out on a limb and make a huge scene like he did last day phase without a reason. Thus, i believe there is essence in his accusations. At the worst, Stu is on the opposite scum team and trying to get Townie points by calling out Muffin. We will cross that bridge in the near future.


Last reason: I think Muffin’s claim is bs. After this Mao flip, Muffin could very well be collecting souls, not doing megaman “copies.” There’s no way to prove he’s x-shot because our tracker has been killed and he knows that.

(fwiw, the three names I received for Muffin were All For One, Neito Monoma and Megaman)

He’s probably All For One from MHA:

All For One allows him to steal people's Quirks and renders them his own. He can even combine his stolen Quirks to create destructive attacks. This Quirk also allows him to grant Quirks to others. Overall, he has stolen a variety of Quirks with his ability

Seems like scum in Jedah’s Alliance needs to collect souls, so every member has a “soul stealing” ability instead of a faction kill. Saddler’s was the Las Plagas and Muffin’s is Quirks.

btw, nice turbo
 
Stu, I wasn’t going to post this but you of all people deserve this to see it. This was going to be my opening D5 post before I saw the mod confirm on Muffin.

VOTE: Muffin


Potentially could be in FoL.

He could have tried to bus Swamped right before the EOD she was lunched. The vote was 9 Swamped, 7 Aeleus after Muffin placed his vote on her. 4 POSTS LATER (the next vote that was placed) Swamped voted for Aeleus and this was her last post of the game. Over 30 minutes left until EOD and she made no other posts. Could have been a coordinated bus by Swamped and Muffin since Swamped was more than likely getting lunched.

But I admit, this isn’t the team I think he’s on.


He’s most likely on Mao’s team:







I don’t find this interaction genuine. Mao easily unvoted Muffin, and even though he placed a vote on Muffin, he claims there wasn’t a really good reason for it. Yet, he voted for me during the TD and even after the TD was over with he stayed on me. There were more suspicious players last day phase, and his argument against me was poorly relayed and relied on a post that Fanto made on D1... I told him he should look at other players too but he refused. Yet, Muffin easily got him to unvote...


We just learned that fake claims can be from alternate universes than the character. Thus, i do not believe Mufifn’s megaman claim.



i do believe Geno has been mixing in the fake names with the real names in each of AB's character choices. I dont think the main focus of that ability is to red check and/or green check a player; the purpose is to simply force a player to claim a character.

So, now we need to figure out if Muffin gave the fake claim or the real claim.

I believe Muffin was watching the game thread the entire time and he knew what was going on in the thread 10 minutes before EOD, so he was totally prepared to fake claim. If he did it short notice right before EOD it would garner him town points.


Next, Muffin didn’t disclose his item when he lost it. He should have done it right away without anyone having to question him about it one time, two times, any times. Period. Just like Apo did.


Which brings me to this.



I never understood this. He said this immediately when he entered the thread that day, yet he can’t tell us immediately when he loses an item or who he copied?

Muffin wanted people to know he’s been infected by something so Townies would believe a neutral or scum team had targeted him the night before. I think he wanted the townie points.


Mooore:



He pretty much shoved this post in Stu’s face to discredit him for suspecting him.

I don’t think Stu is dumb enough to go out on a limb and make a huge scene like he did last day phase without a reason. Thus, i believe there is essence in his accusations. At the worst, Stu is on the opposite scum team and trying to get Townie points by calling out Muffin. We will cross that bridge in the near future.


Last reason: I think Muffin’s claim is bs. After this Mao flip, Muffin could very well be collecting souls, not doing megaman “copies.” There’s no way to prove he’s x-shot because our tracker has been killed and he knows that.



He’s probably All For One from MHA:



Seems like scum in Jedah’s Alliance needs to collect souls, so every member has a “soul stealing” ability instead of a faction kill. Saddler’s was the Las Plagas and Muffin’s is Quirks.

btw, nice turbo

Oh man, I missed some of those. They would have strengthen my arguments.

I still don’t get how you are so sure about muffin, but i avoided giving him an item....if i had been allowed to get to Give.

At first, I was bluffing for a reaction. It's a tactic I've used successfully in the past. (his reacting to every accusation I lay at him reminded me of the last game I was in with him when he was Scum. KH Mafia maybe?)

Then the mod-confirmed townie check on him came and I just didn't believe it at all. It's a bastard game but there had hardly been any visibly bastard elements. A mod-confirmed green check and one that uses the FAKE CLAIM NAME was just so Bastard that I could see Geno doing it.

Then there was his poor vote record that I pointed out.

Some other stuff too maybe but my head hurts too much to think atm :(
 
Also I don't know where I was going with it but that post I made "Fucking Ace" was trying to bluff Sorian into revealing info like maybe he was lying about the sword (idk if he was).

But I was just too ill to continue so eh. :(
 
Also I don't know where I was going with it but that post I made "Fucking Ace" was trying to bluff Sorian into revealing info like maybe he was lying about the sword (idk if he was).

But I was just too ill to continue so eh. :(
I was going to also add overly angry-defensive muffin is usually non-town. But idk how it would have went over lol
 
I was going to also add overly angry-defensive muffin is usually non-town. But idk how it would have went over lol

Yeah. best I could add was the meta thing from the last time I played with him when he was scum.

But never worked. And people seem to believe that he's town due to the check so who knows if they will get him before it's too late. If he dies, I think it will be by another scum faction.
 

weemadarthur

Mad as in angry, or mad as in crazy?
We did indeed try.

I had faddy and sorian and swamped and aeleus. If those are all scum. And got killed for it i guess.
 
N5: Loki. I was actually going to Heal Stu and see if I could break the system----if I healed Stu, who jumped in front of someone's NK, would I keep Stu alive? It seemed like a janky ass loophole, so I asked gamerunners about it. I got the answer I expected though---they said that they could not answer. So to play it safe, because I truly thought I cured Muffin, I decided I wanted Lokiduck cured. I also thought Stu might pull a fast one and not take the NK.

Wow, that would have been cool to see. Which makes me wonder

@Geno @Gorlak would this have worked?
 
Geez stu if you had said THAT i would have been giving you all the items.

Haha, I was too worried that a Doc or RB would have prevented me.

I knew saying Muffin would result in someone protecting them right away if I said I became an SK (or even if I said nothing, some may have assumed I became one anyway haha) So I figured this way I could get my way and get rid of Sorian (and now that I know he is defo scum, be glad I got rid of scum even if I had became neutral by that point lol)
 
I am really glad I subbed out of this stupid game.
I wouldn’t say the game is stupid but there are aggressive players in this game so you’re bound to get some attacks.
It’s easy to get frustrated when you’re set on something so much and you know a person is scum but you can’t do anything about it.
You just gotta formulate your reasoning. Dig it into peoples heads a little, and keep chugging, hoping it will come in handy sometime during the game.
Gotta trust in your teammates
 
I wouldn’t say the game is stupid

I clarified by saying I don't think the game itself is stupid. It's actually quite a fun design.

You just gotta formulate your reasoning.

I already explained in this and other games that I suck at getting my reasoning and other stuff across to people.

It's even worse in a game with Sorian and Faddy especially who are so god damned loud and particularly the first one, so good at bullshitting that it's easy to discredit me or make everyone not believe or even care about me.

But some of the shots taken at me. Stan, Sorian and even that post from Fran which is basically the equivalent of saying "you might as well not post here at all" is just fucking... urgh.

Aggressive players or not, I feel like there should be some sort of fucking line in these games. (I felt the same way last game I played with godfather, some people just go over the line too fucking much x.x. At least when I go over the line and it's pointed out to me, I apologize usually)
 
Sorry I don't mean to bring drama to spec thread.

I'm just ill and it's probably making me even more upset than usual and I just wanted to vent.
 
I clarified by saying I don't think the game itself is stupid. It's actually quite a fun design.



I already explained in this and other games that I suck at getting my reasoning and other stuff across to people.

It's even worse in a game with Sorian and Faddy especially who are so god damned loud and particularly the first one, so good at bullshitting that it's easy to discredit me or make everyone not believe or even care about me.

But some of the shots taken at me. Stan, Sorian and even that post from Fran which is basically the equivalent of saying "you might as well not post here at all" is just fucking... urgh.

Aggressive players or not, I feel like there should be some sort of fucking line in these games. (I felt the same way last game I played with godfather, some people just go over the line too fucking much x.x. At least when I go over the line and it's pointed out to me, I apologize usually)
Yeah, usually mods or game watchers will take players aside if they start getting to blatant disrespectful territory. Usually it’s privately so idk if anyone’s gotten warnings this game. I got a couple in HvV1, that’s why I’ve switched my play style up immensely lol
It’s good you brought it up though, it should be a talking point postgame.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I have so many questions regarding [REDACTED] at this point lol.

Fando

You were Scum though, right? I figured if any of [REDACTED] were, it was you, hence why I called you out that one time lol. Were you able to discuss [REDACTED] outside of there?
 
I have so many questions regarding [REDACTED] at this point lol.

Fando

You were Scum though, right? I figured if any of [REDACTED] were, it was you, hence why I called you out that one time lol. Were you able to discuss [REDACTED] outside of there?
I enjoy that I know what you're talking about, lol.
 
I have so many questions regarding [REDACTED] at this point lol.

Fando

You were Scum though, right? I figured if any of [REDACTED] were, it was you, hence why I called you out that one time lol. Were you able to discuss [REDACTED] outside of there?
Yeah, I was scum together with Mao as Jedah. I was able to discuss everything about [REDACTED] as it was clarified by Geno on his first post in our scum thread. At this point it should be clear that I wasn’t the only one though.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
And no, nothing is clear to me about this game lol. Everyone but me and the people who have flipped Town were Scum as far as I can tell at this point.
 
Yeah, I was scum together with Mao as Jedah. I was able to discuss everything about [REDACTED] as it was clarified by Geno on his first post in our scum thread. At this point it should be clear that I wasn’t the only one though.
At first I thought it was Ketkat but after D5 end, you were on my list lol
 
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