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Natiko

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Hi!

All the normal rules apply here - don't be jerks. Remember the people playing have feelings too.
 
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Hi! Thanks for the access.

And here I was thinking this would be a bit more lonely with the seasonal replacement list.
 
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Ok, I'll be cheering for turmoil7 and Vincent Alexander this time. Can't remember too much of the playstyle of the first - a quick search shows him getting out early in HoH, and my memory of Mansion is a bit too nebulous - so I'd like to take a closer look. He seems chatty so far. On the other hand, I've read Vincent a few times, so looking for any differences may be a good bit of practice.

Who are you all looking forward to read/cheer for?

By the way, Fanto being so upbeat is contagious.
 
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Ok, I'll be cheering for turmoil7 and Vincent Alexander this time. Can't remember too much of the playstyle of the first - a quick search shows him getting out early in HoH, and my memory of Mansion is a bit too nebulous - so I'd like to take a closer look. He seems chatty so far. On the other hand, I've read Vincent a few times, so looking for any differences may be a good bit of practice.

Who are you all looking forward to read/cheer for?

By the way, Fanto being so upbeat is contagious.
I remember Turmoil being one of the more sane people in Mansion.

Not really cheering for any individual players but as soon as I consider someone the underdog I'll be team them
 
Fandorin said:
But what do you think about Fanto's response to it? Cause VA being "weird" is just par for the course at point.
Unsure if "weird" is the word. I'd describe Vincent Alexander as being pretty cautious and curious through games, prodding and asking stuff most of the thread, and slipping from time to time with phrasing or stuff that gets him side-eyed. He's been around long enough for everyone to understand that's just how he behaves I guess?

Kopite said:
Where do we stand on the “Lets not vote traditionally strong town players out on D1 if the vote is flimsy(like most D1 votes)?
By the way I'd normally agree with this stance. Since D1's normally get people voted out for almost nothing, I'd only justify the push for a strong player with a good case.

turmoil7 said:
Brexit 2 doesn't count as lunch because I was vengeful
turmoil7 said:
We shouldn't consider [perfectly reasonable concern] because role madness
turmoil7 said:
Fancorin did a good job there, thanks pal
turmoil7 said:
Just the 15-25% scum design principle, nothing big brain here
Is it just me or is turmoil purposefully looking a bit suspicious? Please don't mess around, you're supposed to win this thing!

Pretty soon to be asking for spoilers, but a yes or no will suffice. Is his role/modifier related to being lunched?

Dr. Monkey said:
unless Nat was feeling particularly evil.
Did you feel particularly evil when designing this?

Anyways a lot of what's been said feels like joking/fluff. This is when Natiko comes in and explains that amazing early breadcrumb nobody noticed.
 
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Unsure if "weird" is the word. I'd describe Vincent Alexander as being pretty cautious and curious through games, prodding and asking stuff most of the thread, and slipping from time to time with phrasing or stuff that gets him side-eyed. He's been around long enough for everyone to understand that's just how he behaves I guess?
That's a pretty good meta read on VA.

Anyways a lot of what's been said feels like joking/fluff.
I'd say there's alot more serious stuff going on then usual but it's keeping a relaxed atmosphere which is nice
 
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Natiko

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Unsure if "weird" is the word. I'd describe Vincent Alexander as being pretty cautious and curious through games, prodding and asking stuff most of the thread, and slipping from time to time with phrasing or stuff that gets him side-eyed. He's been around long enough for everyone to understand that's just how he behaves I guess?



By the way I'd normally agree with this stance. Since D1's normally get people voted out for almost nothing, I'd only justify the push for a strong player with a good case.






Is it just me or is turmoil purposefully looking a bit suspicious? Please don't mess around, you're supposed to win this thing!

Pretty soon to be asking for spoilers, but a yes or no will suffice. Is his role/modifier related to being lunched?



Did you feel particularly evil when designing this?

Anyways a lot of what's been said feels like joking/fluff. This is when Natiko comes in and explains that amazing early breadcrumb nobody noticed.
No and no. Scum actually have pretty solid fake claims, that’s why I put that info out there. Anyone that goes down the path of trying to solve the game by claims is going to find it a bit tricky.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
I know it's only half way through D1 so far but everything is fairly....normal. Some small tangents here and there but there's nothing that's hooked people yet to follow on. That will likely end bad for Town if this continues. :x
 
Dr. Monkey said:
Nope, it's dumb "look busy" effort and the fact that turmoil was also pushing it after Gorlak started it makes me wonder about the two of them together, d1 early vote aside. That's my hot take for now.
turmoil7 said:
Overall your interactions felt faked
Dr. Monkey said:
What feels fake, exactly?

Is making slant comments and not actually backing anything up just going to be your MO this whole game or...? Because you keep saying this while not actually saying anything at all.
The turmoil-Monkey exchanges feel a bit exaggerated considering they're based on literally nothing. Can't remember these two being so aggressive this early either, it almost reads fabricated.

Of course I want turmoil to win but it's not really looking good for him.

Fantomas said:
Turmoil feels like bait at this point, like all my usual D1 instincts are telling me he's Scum, so I'm just sitting here like "Why!?" especially because I have a habit of being dead wrong on D1 lately. He's throwing out random half-thought-out takes like "Fran and Monkey are probably Scum together, and they're planning something!" which is like, ok, tell me more please if you really believe this? What was it about my joke vote on Monkey and Kits' joke vote on Fran that suddenly made this a thing? I'm so confused by that take.
Agreed so much. There's something else, meanies wouldn't be so evident D1. Of course you can't discount the chance either, but it's hard to entertain it with so little.

I'd say there's alot more serious stuff going on then usual but it's keeping a relaxed atmosphere which is nice
It may be just me, but D1s are always hard to read until waaay later in the game. It's the most vulnerable time for town in that you have little info to make good decisions other than your PM.

Anyone that feels different to you? Personally speaking, it would be nice to read a bit more from Maolfunction. I remember him being more aggressive and taking the initiative to get things going in the past.

I know it's only half way through D1 so far but everything is fairly....normal. Some small tangents here and there but there's nothing that's hooked people yet to follow on. That will likely end bad for Town if this continues. :x
Things picked up a bit since this post, but it still kind of feels like there's little to work with and whoever ends up lunched will be voted out for almost nothing. Which is... normal for D1, as you said.

By the way what would you say about Fat4All? Any meta-tips? I mean no disrespect but his funny poster fame seems to overshadow any discernible traits I could recall for him.
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
Here are my hot reads

My read is that Monkey is town and has genuine suspicion of Turmoil because this sort of meta/roles discussion is kind of how he was in Mafiera. However I don't think either are scum. I think Monkey has a good role - cop, doctor or something. When she expresses surprise that so many people are scum reading her day 1 it feels like she is kinda pissed because of her role.

Turmoil feels too loose to be scum here. Voting for someone then immediately saying to kill someone else. It just doesn't feel like scum turmoil.

(watch mokey and turmoil be scum partners now because this is the exact fake interactions I fall for every time.)
 
Dr. Monkey said:
So general FYI for this game - I'm on the job market this year and for academics that's a whole full time job in and of itself so I AM PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE MY USUAL POSTING MACHINE SELF. I'm putting this in all caps because it might turn out to be a lie because we all know I have the self control of 45 on Twitter when it comes to these things. But I'm gonna try to not be 100% playing 100% of the day.
Fantomas said:
Ah, thank you for the template, Monkey.

So general FYI for this game - I recently started a new job, and it's a whole full time job in and of itself, so I AM PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE MY USUAL POSTING MACHINE SELF. I'm putting this in all caps because it might turn out to be a lie because we all know I have the self control of 45 on Twitter when it comes to these things. But I'm gonna try to not be 100% playing 100% of the day.
I wonder how they're doing post count wise
=== PLAYERS & POST COUNTS ===

Fantomas: 41
Dr. Monkey: 34
Fandorin: 25
ect ect
I'd say I'm surprised but I'm absolutely not
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
I wish I could share hot takes
My other hot take was there is no way you have a 4 person scum team in this game. And perhaps Gorlak's % post was his annoyance with the lack of scum numbers.

If you decided to have a very normal mafia game with 4 scum and only a few town prs I would be SHOCKED. 15 players is 3 scum and 2(?) neutrals or mafia control an extra kill.
 
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Faddy

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Hey if anyone enjoys watching games perhap you would also like to review a game. We are currently in need of people to help out. There is no experience necessary beyond playing mafia games.

Anyone interested should contact Fireblend.
 
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Natiko

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My other hot take was there is no way you have a 4 person scum team in this game. And perhaps Gorlak's % post was his annoyance with the lack of scum numbers.

If you decided to have a very normal mafia game with 4 scum and only a few town prs I would be SHOCKED. 15 players is 3 scum and 2(?) neutrals or mafia control an extra kill.
I mean it's role madness so that'd be pretty lame of me to only have a few town PRs :P
 

Faddy

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I mean it's role madness so that'd be pretty lame of me to only have a few town PRs :P
Ok it is Role Madness but most the roles do nothing.

Sleepwalker but no motion trackers
Poison Doctor with no poisoner
Firefighter with no arsonist
etc

Oh look Turmoil was town.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
By the way what would you say about Fat4All? Any meta-tips? I mean no disrespect but his funny poster fame seems to overshadow any discernible traits I could recall for him.
expect a lot of good memes and photoshops with some really good reads/insights sprinkled throughout. he also has a very disarming nature to him that gets people to trust him and relax around him once they get passed the jokes.

i've seen him make some really good calls in terms of reads but most don't listen too much to him and he doesn't push stuff like others. this makes him pretty darn good at scum though.
 
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Sawneeks

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catching up but seeing so many want to either investigate or kill monkey on D1 is hilarious. poor monkey.

everyone going after turmoil though when he was top votes halway through D1? tsk.
 
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Sawneeks

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looks like town's louder voices have all tangled themselves up into a weird net of accusations and 'stop misinterpreting me!' posts. should be interesting to see what the Night brings and where they go from here. don't think town will follow through on looking at Fran and anyone on today's list will be ignored for whoever becomes the scapegoat tomorrow. :x
 
Late but caught up. One candidate down, all my faith is on VA. You can do it buddy!

Well that was fun, if only I could had pulled that Fran lunch
You were fun to read! Would you say that's how you normally play, or did you go for something different this time?

expect a lot of good memes and photoshops with some really good reads/insights sprinkled throughout. he also has a very disarming nature to him that gets people to trust him and relax around him once they get passed the jokes.

i've seen him make some really good calls in terms of reads but most don't listen too much to him and he doesn't push stuff like others. this makes him pretty darn good at scum though.
Thanks for the advice! Non-pushy playstyles are pretty interesting in my opinion.

As for the night kill, agreed that malus and Kopite could be good targets. It somewhat feels like town will lunch Kalor sooner or later though.

But I do think it would be way more interesting to take care of players like Fran or Fanto early. Just to spice things up a bit and generate some chaos.
 

Natiko

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All the actions are in now - just a matter of waiting to see if anyone changes.
 

turmoil7

more than six maelstroms
You were fun to read! Would you say that's how you normally play, or did you go for something different this time?
I usually avoid the megaposters and "strong town players" early because what a chore, but this time I felt like trying something different so I picked fights with monkey and Fran at the start
 
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The way I see it, if Monkey is town then scum should just kill her. From a gameplay pov she made multiple pushes, threw her vote around a lot. Highest post count too and was in the largest voter group at the end.

If that feels too obvious then scum should kill Fandorin or Fantomas.

People do like to go weird with N1 kills, either through fear of doctor protection or just wanting to throw in a curve ball so I can see anyone on the Turmoil vote being a valid target.

Although never kill Fran. That reaction to the push on him from Turmoil is the low hanging fruit of scum reads. Same reason for never killing Gorlak or Maol.
 
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Night Kill vague spoiler:

Going for a low info kill currently
 
I've been loving the flavor bits. Short but effective, still hoping nothing gross sours these for me.

Dr. Monkey said:
I got lucky but I got a red check on Maolfunction last night.
Wow, things got interesting pretty fast. Although the "Red check but a)I'm not claiming b)Bastard." will get her some questions.

And Gorlak and Fanto immediately attack Monkey. Hmmm...
 
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Fanto is a fiend. “Here’s a pretyped post. Too busy to talk.”

“Wait wtf just happened?”
 
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turmoil7

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If maol is scum he was cold blooded af last phase

If monkey is scum coming forward with a fakeclaim at the start of day 2 when no smoking gun was found on her yet is proactive af

I see both as possible rn
 

turmoil7

more than six maelstroms
Man if both monkey and fran turn out to be scum I will give myself a congratulatory pat on the back

If they are town I will erase this timeline with the time machine
 
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Hey there everyone, I kind of had a feeling I'd get a visit or two during the night, so the death isn't a huge surprise to be honest! I'll be pretty surprised if Monkey ends up scum at this point, as it feels like a really bold play for scum to make especially when a lie like this just signs her own death next phase.

also for Kits and Ket when you both get here I'm glad you two were able to keep playing in the game. Shit can be rough and mean but know we all love you here and that there will always be a place for you. <3
Thanks for the kind words Sawneeks, and people in the actual game thread who I didn't thank yet. It really does help to hear something positive out of this whole mess! I was more than a little steamed about the stuff yesterday so I was a little too focused on just getting some real stuff down before day end. While all that stuff yesterday was more than a little frustrating, for some reason Robin speaking up for me one time in that thread really set off all the terrible off-site places that exist and we've been getting a lot of venom since then. Which needless to say, doesn't make me very happy to have people harassing me about how much they hate me and my girlfriend for posting on a forum. So, dying wasn't the best option, but I can use the time to get sucked into Portia some more and wind down before starting my job soon!
 
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Faddy

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<3 Ketkat

You were on Maol and Gorlak. And i think there is scum between them or even both of them. I think if scum have an ability to mess with a cop check then Gorlak is the kind of player who would see Monkey giving off PR vibes and do that instead of killing her.

I think Maol is just scum. I'm not sure what restrictions or luck Monkey could be talking about but I see no reason to question the check.
 
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turmoil7

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I don't see how to trust monkey without a full claim here

No one is lunching maol without a full claim from her, unless she expects to caught someone else on a lie during this phase not giving the full claim is a waste of time

She should had just vote/push for maol this phase to see who support him and who doesn't if she wasn't sure of her info

I am on #ScumMonkey team
 
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Faddy

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I don't see how to trust monkey without a full claim here

No one is lunching maol without a full claim from her, unless she expects to caught someone else on a lie during this phase not giving the full claim is a waste of time

She should had just vote/push for maol this phase to see who support him and who doesn't if she wasn't sure of her info

I am on #ScumMonkey team
You have been scum with Monkey. She is doesn't gambit like this. Her play is always to try and stay cool and let town twist itself around. And I don't see why she would gambit like this against Maol on day 2. That isn't going to help scum win the game in the long run
 
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turmoil7

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You have been scum with Monkey. She is doesn't gambit like this. Her play is always to try and stay cool and let town twist itself around. And I don't see why she would gambit like this against Maol on day 2. That isn't going to help scum win the game in the long run
They have their fakeclaims, she is just getting ahead of the game and using it for an extra mislunch this phase

She knows maol has a weak power from what he hinted last day so in a 1-2 business he is the one going

Meanwhile their partners are safe until day 4
 

turmoil7

more than six maelstroms
She is super sure of her red check but also makes her power sounds like if it were Stan's fluff cop
 

turmoil7

more than six maelstroms
DCBA said:
What would be the first question you would ask Kojima regarding Death Stranding? Someone on twitter is asking question for an Interview
Are stranding spirits reliable scum detectors?
 

turmoil7

more than six maelstroms
I have no idea what's its going on anymore

Just start the votes thing and hope for the best
 

turmoil7

more than six maelstroms
@Natiko is the game bastard or role madness?

Everyone is assuming the game is bastard but I signed up under the assumption it was RM iirc
 

Natiko

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It's both - the complexity at sign-up should've said bastard, but I guess that got overlooked. I'm pretty certain I always mentioned that it was bastard.
 

Natiko

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That being said - in the description I explicitly mentioned that I wouldn't have overt gamerunner lies. If I say your ability does X it will do X. That's true in all cases with this game. That being said sometimes what I wrote for X is intentionally vague as a way to sidestep the act of explicitly lying. If I didn't say explicitly how something works, then it's not a lie when it does something odd.
 
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I can tell you about a role that hasn't been revealed yet that led to it being labeled bastard if you want an example of what I'm talking about.
 
So you basically say it isn't a lie if it's elaborate enough

Vote:Natiko
To be fair this was the description given at the sign up page
Death Stranding is finally here! Or at least a Mafia game loosely based on a handful of early trailers is. Come partake in this thrill ride of a game that is both bastard (without overt gamerunner lies) and role madness. 15 players enter, some number of them leave. Will you understand this Mafia game more than you’ll understand Death Stranding proper? Maybe! Maybe not! Come join Death Stranding Mafia and we can find out together.
 

turmoil7

more than six maelstroms
If there is an anti town neutral, that would mean scum is 3 players and at least have a powerful role

Under those assumptions I can see Maol as a scum lunchproof, that would explain why he was so relaxed last day phase if he is scum
 

turmoil7

more than six maelstroms
Maol is implicating himself more and more, what is the need of wanting to be lunched if he is scum?

Maybe he is a jester?

We're does that leave gorlak and kits' neutral then?
 

Natiko

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Just wanted to share something fun but not game related. I was chatting a moment ago on my phone and went to refer to something as garbo (as in garbage). My phone autocorrected garbo to Fanto. I think this means Fanto must fight me to the death to defend his honor.
 

Faddy

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Just wanted to share something fun but not game related. I was chatting a moment ago on my phone and went to refer to something as garbo (as in garbage). My phone autocorrected garbo to Fanto. I think this means Fanto must fight me to the death to defend his honor.
Autocorrect learning mafia names is a blessing and a curse. Not having to type flatearthpandas in full <3
 
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Faddy

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Back to the game.

Players with a death clock when the game begins has happened before. It was a modifier in Danganronpa 3, although it could/should have been stopped in that game lol.

Maol's role claim is strange but oddly believable to me. Mafia cursing him to be hated feels like a legit role too. I'm leaning to him still being not town but neutral instead of scum.
 
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Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
caught up, think Maol is out of luck today unless something changes last minute. most seem to be on board with him either being scum, lying in some capacity, or want more information surrounding monkey. Although I think VA has a good point - if Maol flips Town that tells them nothing about monkey's role. There's too many what ifs and maybes around it that even a wrong check can be handwaved away right now. :/
 

turmoil7

more than six maelstroms
I hope there was a dayvig to solve this maolmess

(I guess there isn't if it hasn't acted yet)
 

Natiko

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I'm surprised Fran of all people is arguing that there wouldn't be near-worthless roles in a bastard, role madness game.
 
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turmoil7

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I am not really sure what would the best thing to do in this conundrum

I guess the default position is just to lunch maol and start anew on d3 if he was town after all
 
My only lean at all before subbing out is that Monkey is scum, and only because that power is impossible for anyone to prove one way or the other. She is purposefully wasting town's time trying to come up with questions to use with the power, which distracts from actual scum hunting. If she is scum.That's my two cents. Everyone else? No clue. Maol I still think is town though.
 
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