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Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
Yeah...I think scum still has a chance here. NK Zeke or Fran, and let town rip themselves apart. I think Fando can pull it off.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Did scum know Kalor flip would be erased?
Yes

Fand had been on malus' ass for three phases now. It wouldn't have made sense for him to flip onto Kalor today.
That's the downside to backing yourself into a bussing corner. I think he's hosed - no way he survives two phases with the claims that are on the board.

Yeah...I think scum still has a chance here. NK Zeke or Fran, and let town rip themselves apart. I think Fando can pull it off.
Then you risk Kalor targeting you and being able to reveal your role. You can maybe, mayyyybe go for Zeke and pray that Kalor targets Zeke as well, but I can't see Kalor targeitng anyone other than Zeke or Fando right now.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Hrm. Knowing Kalor would flip erased changes things for me then....risky, but I woulda went for the Kalor lunch.
Yeah, especially knowing you can use that to get town to slip up on the numbers. Seems like Fando is going to go for the gamble. Good luck to him.. lol
 

malus

#1 official chartmaker
I can't believe how unlucky we got those last two phases.
I had my claim planned from the start, crumbed everything and I hit the one town that can out me because he inherited a role from another player that happened to die early.
Next time I'm just going to claim Vanilla no matter what.

By the way, did nobody see my cop crumb D1? I was convinced half the game had figured it out when I was widely town read for absolutely no reason.
 

heymonkey

Known Roblox Expert
Staff member
I can’t blame him - I always find being mafia exhausting. Low key hate it.
It's SO exhausting because you have to be aware of everything all the time.

I told Natiko that this game for me was the most carefree I have ever felt while playing a game. Like I really didn't care if things went sideways for me, not really - I was just shooting my shot and if it failed, oh well. I've NEVER felt like that in a game before!
 

malus

#1 official chartmaker
malus said:
Claiming town is as NAI as it gets so nothing to gain here. Other than that Turmoils joke vote and later unvote is of interest to me. Particularly the fact he already seems to push for a split between Monkey and Fran raises my eyebrows here.
First letter of each sentence. It was pretty obscure, which is why I was so surprised when nobody scum read me and I even received a BP.

It's SO exhausting because you have to be aware of everything all the time.

I told Natiko that this game for me was the most carefree I have ever felt while playing a game. Like I really didn't care if things went sideways for me, not really - I was just shooting my shot and if it failed, oh well. I've NEVER felt like that in a game before!
Neutral is honestly the best alignment. It doesn't matter if you hit scum or not and you can just post whatever without implicating team mates.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I told Natiko that this game for me was the most carefree I have ever felt while playing a game. Like I really didn't care if things went sideways for me, not really - I was just shooting my shot and if it failed, oh well. I'
I told him the same thing when I was Neutral in HoH lol
 

Kitsunelaine

hi i'm a backpack
It's SO exhausting because you have to be aware of everything all the time.

I told Natiko that this game for me was the most carefree I have ever felt while playing a game. Like I really didn't care if things went sideways for me, not really - I was just shooting my shot and if it failed, oh well. I've NEVER felt like that in a game before!
I wanna play Neutral sometime, maybe RNG will be kind and I can be all tsundere (yandere?)
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Based on the current actions sent in, this phase (and game) should be over fast.
 

Kalor

Kay-lor? Kah-lor?
Fand was my guess for the final scum. It's the only role that didn't really fit. I tried stealing Zekes last night but that was more so I could cross them off my list rather than suspecting them.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
RIP Kalor, sorry for convincing myself you were Scum, I thought I finally had a read on you!

Hopefully they go for Fando today and finish this off, I could see Zeke going too though because of the weirdness surrounding his role and obviously Scum aren't going to talk about those messages to keep him looking suspicious.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
The game is over, even if they flip Zeke today. Kop finally gave a good item to town.
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
Zeke being a pointless role is kinda counteracting Kopite clearing himself with his.

Not sure I really thought about his role being clearable, mostly the ladder after the save.

I like how Fat4all being a confirmed gossip is worth mentioning as if that means anything for his alignment lol
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I just bought a fancy new keyboard, so allow me to write a screed here quickly to start getting used to it.

If I had to guess, I would say that Town will vote for Fando today, but it could be a close one. Zeke has correctly identified that the PoE on this day is basically just down to him and Fando, as I mentioned earlier in here, and as Fran has now noted in the thread as well. Although I obviously know the answer here and have been biased against Fando since D1, I think it will be somewhat of a toss up for Town, I could really see it going both ways even though I hold out hope that us Townies will be celebrating our victory soon enough. If they were to mislunch Zeke today, I don't see how Fando doesn't get voted out in the final 3. What would it be, Fando/Fran/Fat4All? I could mayyyyyyyybe see Fran getting voted out in that final 3, but it would require the Doggo to get royally fooled by Fando and tricked into voting for Fran, which I do not see happening. I think it would be far more likely that they just take out Fando in that scenario.

Keyboard works pretty good, it's a Leopold FC900R PD with Clear switches, so not too loud but the keys still take a decent amount of pressure to push them in, they don't feel too loose or too tight. Beautiful, if somewhat expensive, keyboard. Highly recommended.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Scratch what I said before about the item. Had to check with modchat, but there was something I hadn’t considered. Still probably a wrap though.
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
Keyboard works pretty good, it's a Leopold FC900R PD with Clear switches, so not too loud but the keys still take a decent amount of pressure to push them in, they don't feel too loose or too tight. Beautiful, if somewhat expensive, keyboard. Highly recommended.
I need feather touch keys. The first mech keyboard i tried was blacks and while nice it did feel like a workout after a while lol
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I need feather touch keys. The first mech keyboard i tried was blacks and while nice it did feel like a workout after a while lol
Yeah, I'm coming off of an old school mechanical one, not sure what the equivalent switch type would have been, but it was really loud and clicky and I'm convinced my neighbors could hear me typing through the walls lol. Figured I would go with something that needed a similar amount of pressure but without the click, and clears seem to be perfect for that so far.
 

turmoil7

Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Yeah, I'm coming off of an old school mechanical one, not sure what the equivalent switch type would have been, but it was really loud and clicky and I'm convinced my neighbors could hear me typing through the walls lol. Figured I would go with something that needed a similar amount of pressure but without the click, and clears seem to be perfect for that so far.
"He is playing mafia again"
 
So things are looking bright again! But Fandorin has been playing great so he could still pull it off with a bit of luck.

This fabled item better be amazing too with the way you're all teasing.
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
So things are looking bright again! But Fandorin has been playing great so he could still pull it off with a bit of luck.

This fabled item better be amazing too with the way you're all teasing.
The game will be over by the time he can use it unless they decide to nolynch.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
The game will be over by the time he can use it unless they decide to nolynch.
Technically I guess it wouldn’t have really changed anything regardless. Fando’s path to victory would pit him against Fran in lylo anyways. That would just be another point that Fando would say is a lie from Fran.
 

heymonkey

Known Roblox Expert
Staff member
RIP Kalor, sorry for convincing myself you were Scum, I thought I finally had a read on you!

Hopefully they go for Fando today and finish this off, I could see Zeke going too though because of the weirdness surrounding his role and obviously Scum aren't going to talk about those messages to keep him looking suspicious.
Me too! I'm glad my giving you the new role kinda worked out even though I did it 'cause I thought you were scum lol.

I'm not caught up on the day or here because I'm sick and trying to get stuff done for Halloween so I hope all is going well in the game!
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
Scum might not know it, but the marked kill is the first to go off so because it killed gorlak and was exhausted the marking does nothing right now
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Scum might not know it, but the marked kill is the first to go off so because it killed gorlak and was exhausted the marking does nothing right now
They never seemed to hit on the idea of a lightning rod so the safe assumption in their mind should be that Gorlak died from the mark (seeing as they weren't targeting him that night).
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Still kinda hate that town is going to win off of a good chunk of luck. Yes, scum dropped the ball as well but still. I'm just going to start putting all of the weird variations of roles into my games now since somehow town thinks non-standard version of a role = MUST BE A LIE lol
 
Still kinda hate that town is going to win off of a good chunk of luck. Yes, scum dropped the ball as well but still. I'm just going to start putting all of the weird variations of roles into my games now since somehow town thinks non-standard version of a role = MUST BE A LIE lol
This has been happening for a while in games here and it's pretty weird and somewhat troubling because every recent handmade game has at least one actual weird role in it.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I'd guess provided fake claims normally fit better within the setup/flavor and you're probably guaranteed to avoid counter-claims.
Yeah, it both ensures they won't be countered and also gives them info on what isn't in the game (so in this case they knew from minute one they wouldn't get found by a cop). The hard part is you really need to commit to one early and play to it so that it seems more believable. Scum fumbled that one here which ultimately will end up being their downfall since it certainly can't be attributed to top notch scum hunting from town lol

This has been happening for a while in games here and it's pretty weird and somewhat troubling because every recent handmade game has at least one actual weird role in it.
It's crazy to me they want to pat themselves on the back for somehow deciding an actual, existing variant of Hider had to be fake when my game had a town role that was purposefully ambiguous, nigh worthless, completely made up, and in fact led to them voting said player out over it. I actually thought about balance when coming up with the fake claims - for instance it wouldn't make sense to have both a hider that can detect alignment AND a cop in such a small game, which is why you see the variation instead.
 
Yeah, it both ensures they won't be countered and also gives them info on what isn't in the game (so in this case they knew from minute one they wouldn't get found by a cop). The hard part is you really need to commit to one early and play to it so that it seems more believable. Scum fumbled that one here which ultimately will end up being their downfall since it certainly can't be attributed to top notch scum hunting from town lol
I can talk about this in a less salty way this time :lol - Fand had been planning around and breadcrumbing the weird hider fakeclaim since day 1. He had to conjure something up out of thin air overnight. That always sucks.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I can talk about this in a less salty way this time :lol - Fand had been planning around and breadcrumbing the weird hider fakeclaim since day 1. He had to conjure something up out of thin air overnight. That always sucks.
Yeah, that was unfortunate. Malus opting to "check" fat really hurt too, even though he was able to wiggle out of that for an extra day. The lightning rod triggering the same night as the mark and landing on the exact same player was such a weird edge case too - so that invalidated any version of a Vig claim. Some bad breaks on scum's side, though had one or two of those unforced errors not happened I still think they would've won for sure - even with the bad luck.
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
Meat’s exact role was pretty close to being in the game lol

We removed it because with the ladder, commuter and bp west town simply had too many ways of escaping the kill which made the game even swingier than it already was with Kojima changing roles.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Meat’s exact role was pretty close to being in the game lol

We removed it because with the ladder, commuter and bp west town simply had too many ways of escaping the kill which made the game even swingier than it already was with Kojima changing roles.
But Ty - it works different than the normal Hider so it has to be fake :(
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Kinda seems like they may land on Zeke here. Get ready for that lylo that completely falls on doggo to decide.
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
I like that Fando receiving an empty package, which means absolutely nothing as that’s the most likely one to receive, is somehow important for his alignment lol
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I like that Fando receiving an empty package, which means absolutely nothing as that’s the most likely one to receive, is somehow important for his alignment lol
That no one can stomach the idea that some packages would be empty but at the same time they let Monkey slide with that absurd claim is wild.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Even if they do go for Zeke today, I dont see Fando surviving LyLo. Who is he going to push for, Fran? Fran has been one of the most Townie players in the game since D1, he's playing nothing like Scum Fran.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
True, and I'm not saying he shouldn't try if it gets there, I just think it would be pretty hard to do at this point so if he does pull it off I will be hella impressed.
Yeah, I don’t think he has good odds but that’s the path it goes. He has to kill Kop tonight or Kop can verify the commute. Fat had his role changed so it can’t be him.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Zeke's logic behind Fando's vote for Malus is pretty sound, I'm not sure why he's getting pushback on that now, it's a perfectly reasonable analysis of a possible bus vote.

Also, I would think the "this person voted Scum multiple times before we knew they were Scum, so how could they be Scum too?" line would go away after LB3 or SU or some of the other more egregious bussing examples lately.

Yes, Scum will sometimes vote for Scum, especially early, and especially when the vote doesn't matter, because then later in the game after their partner has flipped, Town will go to bat for them based on that exact reasoning.

Does this mean everyone who votes for Scum is just a bussing teammate? No, but Zeke's analysis here today is legit Scum hunting in my opinion. His original hypothesis was that there was 1 Scum member in the Kits/Malus/Fat4All triangle and that Scum would want to push towards resolving that completely, hopefully by offing the two that were Town first. Fandorin fit his hypothesis for a possible Scum teammate from outside that triangle. Malus flipped Scum. So now Zeke is looking more closely at Fando because that was who he thought was the likeliest Scum partner. If that isn't Scum hunting, then I don't know what is.
 

Ty4on

The 4 is silent
Very recently I saw a scum almost caught ingame because they almost only voted scum on D2. It’s a very natural reflex when you feel pressured.

One really good trick I saw in another game against a scum that bussed everyone was how their scum reads in town were doubting while their reads on scum were rock solid with no lingering doubts present. It was kind of a fascinating case study of TMI in scum that bussed.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I don't understand the votes for Zeke here, I know I have spoilers and am pretty far removed from the game, but I still don't understand how someone could think Fandorin is Town for this entire game, and Zeke was being Townie as fuck all day. Whatever, they'll get it wrong and then hopefully vote out Fando in LyLo.
 

Vincent Alexander

My best friend is a monkey
I don't understand the votes for Zeke here, I know I have spoilers and am pretty far removed from the game, but I still don't understand how someone could think Fandorin is Town for this entire game, and Zeke was being Townie as fuck all day. Whatever, they'll get it wrong and then hopefully vote out Fando in LyLo.
I am just as confused. He's been scum hunting like crazy, and is easily the towniest of them all in that regard. There has been some iffy hunting against him based on Day 1/Day 2 posts from me, and his role.
 

heymonkey

Known Roblox Expert
Staff member
I don't understand the votes for Zeke here, I know I have spoilers and am pretty far removed from the game, but I still don't understand how someone could think Fandorin is Town for this entire game, and Zeke was being Townie as fuck all day. Whatever, they'll get it wrong and then hopefully vote out Fando in LyLo.
Fando protected himself with those votes well enough. Even though we know scum bus, we still have a hard time seeing scum putting down a killing vote on a teammate, even though we've seen it happen.

Zeke was right here, but not being able to prove his claim + Fando's bussing made it an easy vote for him over Fando. I think people should have dug deeper into individual arguments today but I don't know if that would have turned it.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Zeke was right here, but not being able to prove his claim + Fando's bussing made it an easy vote for him over Fando.
Fando can't prove his claim either, and honestly it seems more sketchy than Zeke's, but yeah I probably shouldn't even comment on it since I already know the truth and the remaining Town players are in the dark.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
To be fair - Fando's argument against Zeke in regards to how he/VA treated Meat and Malus wasn't bad. Combine that with a role that sounds like it should be verifiable yet hasn't been verified... I can see why they'd land how they did. I would bet 9 times out of 10 if a role should be verified, but no one can verify it that player is going to be viewed as a liar.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Fat failed to submit a gossip action for the night (not sure if on purpose or accident) and thus nothing is preventing me from expediting this game end. Once I get Kop and Fando's actions I'll start the day and I'm just going to make the final day end by majority only. That way I'm not stuck trying to figure out what to set it at time wise with the weekend being slow. Maybe it'll inspire a fast turbo.
 

heymonkey

Known Roblox Expert
Staff member
Fando can't prove his claim either, and honestly it seems more sketchy than Zeke's, but yeah I probably shouldn't even comment on it since I already know the truth and the remaining Town players are in the dark.
No, that's a big problem - Fando's claim is not great and he bungled it a little, but most of that got deflected back onto Zeke. Add that to what Natiko said and, yeah. It does make sense.
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
And my power went the scum!?!?!
So there was a slight chance that I couldve played like I was a lost partner or something and got them to reveal themselves.
The potential fun that could've been had!!!
:truffleshuffle::truffleshuffle::truffleshuffle:

So my msgs were kinda in the right realm of trying to bait the nk n2 or trying to communicate with scum.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
And my power went the scum!?!?!
So there was a slight chance that I couldve played like I was a lost partner or something and got them to reveal themselves.
The potential fun that could've been had!!!
:truffleshuffle::truffleshuffle::truffleshuffle:

So my msgs were kinda in the right realm of trying to bait the nk n2 or trying to communicate with scum.
Yeah, I actually loved that idea when Natiko said you sent that message, even though it kind of reminded me of your gambit in our Neighbor chat in Maple Street lol. :P

Imagine if they actually just revealed themselves to you in the thread, that would have been the funniest shit lmao.
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Seems he left Fran alive too long. Kop's power is confirmed. fat4 was changed n2 and the marks kept happening afterward. Only move is to try to lynch fran and kill kop.
Which is exactly what he'll go for. Don't think it'll work, but, gotta work with what you got.

Only waiting on Kop now. Slightly annoying since the last item literally will have no impact and Kop can never discuss if it fails to go to Fran because he'll be dead.
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
I hope this kills the "scum wouldnt buss this much for town points".

I put in fucking work those last two phases. I didnt fall for the bait fando tried to set with the other possible fake claims.

I think I did a good job of explaining why fando couldnt vote kalor over mal.

Petty side of me feels town doesnt deserve this win.
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
Scum teams have been able to perform their action and the nk b4 wn they weren’t small. I don’t see your point.

And you would be wrong because it's out of the ordinary.



If it wasn't out of the ordinay why would Natiko need to clarify that?

Maybe to be more clear
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:truffleshuffle:
 

EzekelRAGE

*truffleshuffle*
I'm not believing Zeke's claim. His role could have failed one or two nights, but all of them? I don't believe that.

Who says it failed?

Noone alive have received a message.
So either they went for death people, they went to scum or they failed for another reason.
If you are telling the truth you are really unlucky that noone can corroborate your claim.

That doesn’t mean it failed.
Don’t down talk my power
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We are the PR team.
We work hard.
Do you know how hard it is to translate Kojima’s message to the consumer?!?!?

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I was just having fun at this point lololoool


But I was right, it didnt fail

:truffleshuffle:
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I figured you were just getting ahead of the question in scum chat.
Nah, I called it out because the standard method is scum can only perform an action AND the NK if they are the last remaining scum. With this being a smaller game though I didn't want them to have that limitation, but I also didn't want town to get tripped up by not realizing it was allowed (since it isn't the norm - at least no game I've played in worked this way).
 

Natiko

Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
In most other universes, where the Random Number Gods weren't cruel, scum won the game today.

Congrats! :P
To be fair the Random Number Gods were kind enough to give Malus the BP instead of a townie (and give town the lightning rod instead of scum). It wasn't all bad! Flip those packages around and then you'd have some truly rough outcomes lol
 
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