Scum Thread Some Real, Evil Weirdos

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  1. Natiko

    Natiko Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer

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    Hi!

    All the normal rules apply here - don't be jerks and don't misgender someone, even here. For your convenience I will provide a list of all the players again in here.

    Fake Claims:

    Deadman the Cop - You are Deadman and you're a cop! Okay, look, there is so little information about this character out there. Cut me a break - Guillermo del Toro at least looks like he could be a cop, I guess. Can check alignment using CHECK: (NAME)

    Léa Seydoux the Miller - Kojima picked you over Stefanie Joosten, and the internet was not pleased. It's not your fault though! You're innocent in all this. Town that will display as not town when checked by a cop

    Sam's Sick Ass Assault Rifle the Vigilante - You're a sick ass gun and you do what sick ass guns do - shoot things. Can night kill another player using KILL: (NAME)

    Guillermo del Toro and Nicholas Winding Refn the Masons - You're both in your friend Kojima's new game! How cool is that - it's not every day you get asked to be in front of the camera. As cool director friends, you two have access to a private chat where you can discuss how crazy your pal Kojima is (or anything else).

    Amelie the Hider - Everyone thinks you're missing after a project out west went uncompleted. Turns out - you're just really good at hiding! Each night you pick a player to hide behind using the command HIDE: (NAME). If a kill targets you, it will miss; however, should you hide behind someone targeted with a kill you will both die. Additionally, if you hide behind a threat to town you will still be exposed for a potential kill.
     
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    Natiko Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer

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    Players
    [she/her] Kitsunelaine - UTC+12
    [he/him] Fran - UTC-3
    [he/him] Maolfunction - UTC-7
    [he/him] malus - UTC+2
    [he/him] Fat4all - UTC-4
    [he/him] Kalor - UTC+1
    [she/her] Ketkat - UTC-4
    [he/him] Vincent Alexander - UTC-5
    [he/him] Kopite - UTC+8
    [he/him] turmoil7 - UTC-3
    [he/him] Meatwad - UTC-4
    [she/her] Dr. Monkey|monkey - UTC-5
    [he/him] Fandorin - UTC-3
    [he/him] Gorlak - UTC+2
    [he/him] Fantomas - UTC-5
     
  3. malus

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    Hello, fellow Scum!
     
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    Hello everyone
     
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    Hello y'all. This is a fine scum group.

    A shame we've already lost cause I suck playing scum with a 0% win rate.

    :thisisfine:
     
  6. Fandorin

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    Can we post our role PMs in full here Nat?
     
  7. Natiko

    Natiko Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer

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    Sure, I don’t have a problem with that.
     
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    Fandorin Active Member

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    Coolio.

    I’m a conditioned vig 1-shot I guess. Marking players should get some attention and we should be careful not to confirm someone as town due to our marks.

    Welcome Fandorin,

    You are BT the Death Marker.

    You are aligned with the Evil Weirdos (That's the MAFIA).

    You are teamed with: Meatwad and malus

    You have access to several abilities as a result of being a real evil weirdo. Each night one member of the mafia can submit a night kill by PMing the gamerunner the command KILL: (NAME). As a Beached Thing you make your presence felt by leaving behind ominous handprints. Each night you can mark a player with a handprint using the command MARK: (NAME). Once per game, if a night phase begins with three living players bearing your mark - one of them will die at random. You can continue to mark players even after this occurs, but the death will never trigger again. Members of the scum team may perform their action and submit their factional kill at the same time (e.g. they are not constrained to one action only).

    You win when you control 50% of the vote.

    You may access the game thread here. You can access the scum chat here.
     
  9. malus

    malus Active Member

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    I'm a 2-shot eraser:
    Erased players will flip without role PM.

    Will players be informed if they are marked by Fando?
     
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    Doesn't make sense if they are not informed I guess. So one of us could probably claim to be marked.
     
  11. Natiko

    Natiko Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer

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    They will be
     
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    Fandorin Active Member

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    Yeah, it read like they would. I think we should maybe janitor one our marked players or something, and also kill one of the 3 marked players the night phase we trigger it, to kill off both marked at once.

    Well, when is the “marked kill” triggered? Can we accidentally do a “double kill” on the randomly targeted player? Nat, can you answer this?
     
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    We can theorize numbers right? haha

    3-scum team in a 15 players game. I’m guessing there’s a self aligned neutral out there. And it is a bastard game after all, wouldn’t be surprised with a neutral faction or something weird.
     
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    Natiko Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer

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    The marked kill will flip at day start, similar to any other night kill.
     
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    Fandorin Active Member

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    But if we target one of the marked players the night phase it triggers, can we accidentally hit the same player and end up wasting the extra kill?
     
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    Natiko Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer

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    Yes, that would be a possibility.
     
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    malus Active Member

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    I think we could spin those marks as some kind of arsonist or some other neutral. And since you can further mark players even after the kill has happened, maybe we can claim the kill as the vigilante. In that case I could erase you to avoid outing the claimed vig should you be lunched.
     
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    Yeah, I agree. Unsure if wasting one of your shots on me is worth it, but considering we have a fake claim as a vig, I think it’s worth a shot.

    I’d like to fake claim as mason I think haha. I’ve thought about this before, and no one doubts mason claims lol. Who wants to drop a breadcrumb at D1 and go for it?
     
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    Oh, we are starting in 2 hours?! I’ll be reading but not much present until later today, but hyped already.
     
  20. malus

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    I'll try dropping some crumbs.
    Though my role kind of lends itself for the cop claim, since if I'm tracked I can just claim to have checked that player. Maybe I can crumb both roles and just use whatever is needed first.

    By the way Meatwad: What is your role?
     
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    Good idea. Let’s do that. Will be posting in a bit.
     
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    @Natiko can you tell us Meatwads role since he isn't around?
     
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    Hmm I am the Licker. I lick people and prevent them from performing their actions

    Not the most glorious of jobs but somebody has to do it :P
     
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    lol

    So you're a roleblocker. How many shots do you have? Or can you roleblock every night?
     
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    I can roleblock every night, It's not shot limited
     
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    What an interesting end of day.
    I think some people caught onto my cop bread crumb. Usually I'm instantly scum read when I give a read on D1.
     
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    Let's hope so, What's the plan?
     
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    Who would you suggest for the night kill?
    I would say we go for some low info target like KetKat or Kopite.

    I think I would use the same approach for whom to mark for now. Though marking a high profile player may also be interesting and would certainly cause some distraction.

    Did anyone hint at a role to roleblock?

    I kind of want to use my erasure for a fake red check, but I'm not sure that day 2 would be the right moment for that.
     
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    Well, that went rather well. Couldn't keep up with the game on EoD, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem.

    @briefs_cat sorry for bussing. I'm basically a bus driver as scum and I think I'll be doing that until our community finally catches up on this lol. I'll be able to shift from my read on you starting D2 with some flips to go through.

    Who do you guys wanna kill?
     
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    Going after KetKat would be funny after you said she would be a good night kill target in the game thread, lol.
     
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    That's a splendid idea. I say we go for it, though I think I'd be best if we did this with our second janitor shot so we can use the following NK to reveal that the janitor shot wasn't a one shot thing since I bet town would lynch us next.

    So it would go like this: janitor shot X and then fake red check him on the following day. After he gets lynched and doesn't flip, we NK our previously janitored player so we have 2 janitored players in a row. It's kinda risky, but it's bound to be entertaining.
     
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    I mentioned Kitsu actually, but I'd love to do it lol.

    But seriously, I agree we should go for a low info kill. Me and Meat had some heat, so discussion could actually help us on D2, but we have enough active players alive that town wouldn't just default on our lynch this next phase.
     
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    Yeah I agree, Thinking about Roleblocking Fantomas tbh. If he has any way of getting info during the night that could be dangerous
     
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    Fran said he'd investigate me on the protect/investigate/kill game, and later mentioned how he thought the game should be answered purely on reads and all. Could be tongue in cheek, but got me thinking. Wouldn't mind roleblocking Fanto either.
     
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    I think it’s important we actually choose our fake claims right now. We have some leeway, but I don’t think I could use that vigilante or miller claims now, and I’ve sorta distanced myself from both of you after I started getting some heat, so mason is off too.

    If both of you don’t mind, I’d like to use that hider claim - never saw a scum fake claim with it. I’d try and breadcrumb it backwards with my Kitsu “protect” call this phase.
     
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    I'll claim the miller. Not the most convincing of claims but it requires the least amount of explanation
     
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    I think you should start D2 with it then. Millers usually claim it early on D1, but you could argue you never played it before (have you?) or that you joined late into D1 to just drop it.
     
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    I've played before yeah, But I don't think I'll make a claim unless I get backed into a corner. It might be super sus to just come out and claim Miller. Though if I do get investigated I'll pull it out. I can see why town Millers early claim though since it seems like it benefits scum more than town. It's just a safer claim in the event I'm forced to claim, than vigilante (in which case a second kill besides the mafia kill that I can't produce needs to occur at some point for the claim to be believed), Or Masons (which would require I have some kind of partner I can point to if pressed on it)
     
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    I think I'm already committed to the cop claim with my bread crumb.

    If Fandorin can pull off three marks there will be an additional kill. Though there is obviously the risk of Fandorin being lunched which would expose you as well.
     
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    I'm actually still of the opinion that erasing Fandorin would be a good idea. That way it wouldn't confirm marked players as town in case of a flip.
     
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    I could claim that my “no flip” is actually part of my role as a hider, if it comes to it.

    It would definitely suck if I flipped on D4, right before the extra kill triggers. Would be hard as hell to convince anyone to lynch any of the 3 marked players.
     
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    I think it would be pretty obvious that you were the marker when the marking stops after your flip. But it could be reasoned that you were neutral and thus the marks are NAI.
     
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    I think we should mainly mark players we don’t expect to be lynched or that could force us to kill them prematurely before we reach N4 - which is hard to gauge now with no claims out.

    The more active players such as Gorlak, Fanto, Monkey and Fran fit the first criteria, but can be trouble for us down the road.
     
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    Agreed.

    It’s worth questioning if we should continue marking after we get the extra kill. I think the answer is a clear NO if we don’t janitor me, but even if we do I don’t see much utility in it.
     
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    You could mark one of us after the kill happens.

    By the way @Natiko: Could the mark kill be cancelled by a doctor or bulletproof vest?
     
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    But about the mark targets, I think we should go for one of the players I mentioned. Leaning for Gorlak or Fanto.
     
  47. Natiko

    Natiko Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer

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    I cannot answer this
     
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    It would make sense if the kill went through protection or “refunded” if it doesn’t activate. Either way, short of actually knowing someone has a BP, protection shouldn’t be a main factor in your target choices.
     
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    Alright, but to just to make sure, I meant to ask if you played as a miller before, since claiming it right at the start isn’t really an obvious thing to do. If you never played in a game with one before, I think you could use that to our advantage.
     
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    Who should do the kill? I’m afraid of getting tracked after being a scum leaned by a few vocal players, so I’d rather not.

    Either way, I’ll input my commands now to show my picks for the night:

    MARK: Gorlak
    KILL: Ketkat
    I’d roleblock either Fran or Monkey.
     
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    Oh yeah never had that role before, So I'm not too familiar with that specific role. Yeah I'm leaning towards roleblocking Fran
     
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    I agree with that. To be honest I just want to see how Fanto reacts to being marked.
     
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    I can do the kill. I seem to have drawn the least amount of heat.
     
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    Also:

    erase: Fandorin
     
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    Sounds good, So we're settled on Ketkat for the kill then? Sounds good to me

    LICK: Fran
     
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    Natiko Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer

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    Received - and if you want to do the kill please submit it with highlights. I'll let you all submit actions on each others' behalf if needed (like someone is absent), but I don't want to accept a non-highlighted action since it could be interpreted as just discussion not a decision.

    Received
     
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    all right

    kill: KetKat
     
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    Natiko Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer

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    I’m afraid of hitting a watcher with Fanto, but it’s your call. We can do him next too.
     
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    Nah, it's alright.
     
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    Natiko Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer

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    Malus:

    You have received a package containing a 1-Shot Bulletproof Vest. You will survive one attempted kill.
     
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    Natiko Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer

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    You have received the following message:

    Don't trust Vincent.
     
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    lol, I love this bread crumb meta.
     
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    Was this message also directed at me?
     
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    Natiko Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer

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    I cannot answer this.
     
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    That is worrying.
    So either we have a secret ally or someone that can send messages into scum chat.
     
  67. Natiko

    Natiko Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer

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    Oops. Ignore this lol
     
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    lol nice
    Despite falling for your bait, this "bulletproof giver" seems perceptive.

    Hummm, not knowing who this was sent for is worrying. I think it might be directed to me (from Fanto, maybe?), but we can't "claim" it in the thread now since that might out ourselves.
     
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    Careful with how you react to Monkey's claim malus. Kinda weird to have her as a "situational cop" or w/e.

    And damn, got watched by Gorlak I guess. Will add that my hide shot also "marks" the player? Not sure how to deal with this.
     
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    I’ll probably just go with the flow with it. I think if he’s actually a self watcher and caught me then I’ll try to be as unconventional as possible - hopefully we don’t have to give up on the extra marked kill.
     
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    I'll probably crumb a green chrck on Monkey since I said I'd investigate her. I don't think she's a full cop and more of a weak cop.

    So far Gorlak hasn't seemed like he knows who targeted him so I wouldn't worry too much yet.
     
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    Scum discussion on the thread right now lol
    He could be bluffing, yes. I’m hoping he’s not, but preparing for the worst.
     
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    That’s kinda weird by Gorlak. I used that phrasing in the post you were replying to, which is just a few posts above it. Doesn’t look like he payed much attention to it.
     
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    Could Gorlak be the one who sent the message? He brought up the point that "the other side" from Monkeys role could be the scum team.
     
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    And you think he sent a message to the “other side” with that content knowing it would go to the scum team?

    I think he actually knows I marked him, but I’ll wait till he reveals anyway.
     
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    Yeah that content doesn't really make sense to send to the scum team.
     
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    I don't like where this is going lol

    I'm REALLY hoping Gorlak is bluffing about knowing who marked him, cause that would definitely suck ass now with Kitsu also claiming something that could maybe lead to me.
     
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    We can use bolded. VA is considering a janitor into the play without no indication we have one in the game at all. Possible to push this "hindsight" against him when we kill someone with our janitor kill - me or the other target we choose.
     
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    Hey, @malus, I hope everything's fine and you feel better now, regardless of what it is.
     
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    So who should we kill tonight?
    I think Fanto or Monkey will have to go sooner or later. Monkeys role is probably not a huge threat at the moment and Fanto didn't hint at being role blocked so he may have a passive ability.
    Finding the one handing out bulletproofs should also be high up on our priority list.

    As for my role, I'm leaning on red checking Fran. I already hinted at that in the game thread and he could have sufficient suspicion already that people will believe it. Red checking Fanto would be hard because he is already widely town read and the more obscure players in Kalor/Kopite/VA could still be used for a later lunch or could be used for marking. Maybe Kits could also be a good target, but it would probably be assumed that she was just neutral so it wouldn't be 100% the desired outcome. Speaking of Kits, it would be hilarious to mark her, but may also be a bit risky if she can detect spooky things.
     
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    I could go for killing Fanto and red checking Fran. I could just roleblock Monkey as well
     
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    I don't think roleblocking Monkey will be necessary. If she really just does a truth check she won't get a useful result anyway.
     
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    Yeah that's a good point. Who should I block?
     
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    I love it how we only talk through here on the night phase lol
     
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    I was thinking we can either kill or mark Fantomas since I doubt we would be able to lynch him. Marking is a double edged blade as we would have to wait until D4 for him to go, but at the same time it's har to predict what other player will be alive until then for us to mark.

    Janitoring and red checking Fran sounds great, especially if you seeded some doubt there already. He's not the player to go down without a fight, but either way I don't think he'll be able to process it entirely. He will have switch discussion popping up again, considering you coming up with a second red check will leave people on edge.

    On who to roleblock, I was thinking Kitsu actually. I'm not sure if she needs to actually check me, but it's still the closest we have to an "investigation" power so far.
     
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    We won't have much discussion going on this phase again with malus doing the fake check, so maybe we should get Fantomas out now.

    Thinking through the fake red check though, @malus do you expect to get out of it alive the next phase if Fran flips janitored? With no other leads I think inertia will lead to town to your lynch sooner or later.
     
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    I'm just worried that we get chain lynched after Fran flips janitored and I'm the last scum in the game with our first janitor shot waste lol
     
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    We are 3 hours from day start. I'll input the commands we've discussed for now. Regardless of the janitor command on Fran, I think it's worth considering if we should go with this gambit at this moment.
    Now that I'm erased, I think it's best if I do the kill this time.

    Fandorin -
    KILL: Fantomas
    MARK: Kopite

    Natiko -
    ERASE: Fran

    Meatwad -
    LICK: Kitsunelaine
     
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    I thought we had roleblocked Fantomas but went back and we actually went for Fran? Anyway, one reason we can go for Fanto this phase. Let's hope for no protection.
     
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    LICK:Kitsunelaine

    Not going to be around much today and tomorrow due to my job. I’ll check in briefly on my brakes, Like now and before/after work.
     
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    My guess is any protection will be on Monkey or Kits.
     
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    sorry, almost forgot about day start.

    ERASE: Fran

    should I do the kill again?
     
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    How do you suggest we proceed with the gambit?
    People will expect results soon.
     
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    Let me do it. I'm janitored already.
     
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    You can claim a town check on someone? On Fran even. You're a one shot at the end, town won't expect a red check necessarily.
     
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    Also I don't know if blocking Kits is such a good idea. If she gets informed of the block she will suspect that she can detect scum.
     
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    Or wait more to claim it. Someone gave you a BP after all. That can be used in our favor.
     
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    You're right. That could mean that the marks are a scum power and not a neutral one.

    We can go for Gorlak for the block?
     
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    Yeah I guess I could crumb a check again and wait one more day phase. In that case I'll probably green check Kits for now, she seems like a good investigation target and it gives us a good excuse to night kill her.
    I won't be around for day start anyway, so I'll see where the wind is blowing when I catch up and decide what to do then.

    Sounds good to me.