Spectator Thread Secret Tunnel, Yeah!

All this Nation talk is gonna bite some people later on :x
Ooohh, nice.
I hope this is something like that Resetera Mafia mechanic where the neutrals got conversion shots (?) for every weird game mod the thread voted for. I liked how that screwed us good.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Same. There's a lot of good talk going on here. Polter is doing a good job explaining his thoughts and what he thinks. Fowl is posing good questions and his follow ups are good.
 
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Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Oh, Fowl. When you get here I want to ask: where is your avatar from? It's absolutely adorable.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
I am not. I almost want to full claim and blow peoples' minds, but I'm not going to.
An unfortunate consequence of making the game smaller, AB. Though it kinda worked out in our favor considering the conversations happening right now lol
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
RIP me. I was surprised with a few of the votes at the end. But I didn't see any votes go on Stan which is probably means nothing.

I'm not confident in any of my reads. But if Fran is scum I am going to be annoyed.

Am I an idiot for thinking Nin claimed seer in like his 2nd post. No way that was just a typo.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
RIP me. I was surprised with a few of the votes at the end. But I didn't see any votes go on Stan which is probably means nothing.

I'm not confident in any of my reads. But if Fran is scum I am going to be annoyed.

Am I an idiot for thinking Nin claimed seer in like his 2nd post. No way that was just a typo.
Which nin post are you referring to?
 
RIP me. I was surprised with a few of the votes at the end. But I didn't see any votes go on Stan which is probably means nothing.

I'm not confident in any of my reads. But if Fran is scum I am going to be annoyed.

Am I an idiot for thinking Nin claimed seer in like his 2nd post. No way that was just a typo.
Those final reads on Stan and Turmoil came off pretty definite lol

GG Faddy, surprised you were the D1 lunch like that; got zero scum vibes from you. Wouldn’t be surprised if scum had a stake in this due to that.
 

Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
Those final reads on Stan and Turmoil came off pretty definite lol

GG Faddy, surprised you were the D1 lunch like that; got zero scum vibes from you. Wouldn’t be surprised if scum had a stake in this due to that.
You gotta project confidence even if you don't know anything.

Not like anyone is going to listen anyway.

RIP Fantomas
 
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Faddy

of, having, or involving transitory whims
Which nin post are you referring to?
Oh yeah this.

nin said something like "did you seer the last game"

Now maybe that is just a typo but I get super paranoid over people just dropping huge breadcrumbs like that.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Oh yeah this.

nin said something like "did you seer the last game"

Now maybe that is just a typo but I get super paranoid over people just dropping huge breadcrumbs like that.
nope that's just nin being nin. his flavor name isnt even remotely seer related either :p
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
There are some reaaallll good plays happening right now and it's getting a lot harder not to talk about them. I'm really impressed by these and I hope those people end up winning here.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Hello, finally!

Those punks that voted for Faddy are lucky I got killed! I was gunna be all like this at day start:





My suspect list coming in to the day was:
Stan
Turmoil
Fran
Malus
DoubleD

I'd be voting for Turmoil right now along with my Town, Fowl and Monkey, if I was still alive. If either of them are Scum, then fuck me lol.

If I'm wrong on anyone else that I'm Town leaning, it's likely Royal. I have Nin and Castamere in my Null Zone.


I'm not sure if I got killed because of my flavor claim or not, but I'm glad I did it either way, and I'd do it again lol almost everyone was Town reading me for it.

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Fanto was probably killed because he was townread.
Put it on my tombstone.

Here lies Fanto
Probably killed because he was townread
The sentiment yesterday gave me the impression that people are more or less always paranoid of monkey because she has a wide scum range.
She is likely Scum here, actually. I may have just mentioned above that she's my top Town read, but don't let that fool you, she can still be Scum here.
 
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An unfortunate consequence of making the game smaller, AB. Though it kinda worked out in our favor considering the conversations happening right now lol
I thought that might be the case. If it won't spoil anything, what was Katara's PR originally?

And RIP absolutbro I guess even though he completely betrayed me.
FWIW, I legit felt bad about voting you. No one was going to trim Nin with me and I fully thought that the Stan train was pure BS.

Also, glad I died, because at this point I would probably be tunneling hard on Monkey. That first post of the day (or one of the early ones at any rate) got my hackles all up.

Of course, knowing my luck Stan is in fact scum and I fully fucked town over D1.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
I thought that might be the case. If it won't spoil anything, what was Katara's PR originally?
Katara was originally going to be the Doctor. Scum also had a x-shot Strongman to counter but that role got tossed into the trash as well.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Was I always going to be Vanilla? Because come on, Ty Lee is the perfect Roleblocker!

 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Think in a realllyyy early draft of the game we had Ty Lee as a Roleblocker for anyone using bending. We cut back on a lot of roles as time went on
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Don't think people were expecting Stan to make such a townie opening statement to the Day. It's really slowed momentum while people look for new fodder :p
 
Can see Monkey as scum right now, maybe with a turmoil on the ticket. I think I'd vote between Monkey and Fran this phase to see what flipped and go from there right now.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Dr. Monkey said:
But if we assume Fanto is the factional kill (and I'm really not sure but I'll post some musing thoughts on that later, just for fun since who knows), then with Faddy gone - who's going to do vote analysis - and Fanto gone, who will as well - there are fewer people here who are going to scrutinize the wagons so heavily.
Dr. Monkey said:
Unless they have a strong kill, I struggle to see scum going after Fanto, who I'm surprised wasn't protected. It would have been likely him. Fanto and fowl were most townread and I would think a doc would choose Fanto over fowl, but I guess that didn't happen. But I don't know if scum would risk that kill without a strong.
Dr. Monkey said:
Probably it was just a strong kill that got Fanto.
Monkey just over here flattering me, but no, I was likely the target because a Doctor would have been protecting Fowl or you, Monkey, not me lol.
 
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Fanto

Confirmed Town
fowl playa said:
I've been agreeing with Monkey a lot but it just looks like we have similar playstyles. I'm mostly focused on creating a strong town core and lynching everyone who is not in that town core, prioritizing the targets I feel are scummiest first. I've stopped posting most of my townreads today because I just don't want them to die because two people are getting picked off per night, but she posted hers and that is generally what I do when I'm trying to solve the game. It's, imo, the smart way to play because reduces guess work since we have a foundation to start with, and it is much easier to find a fellow town than it is to find a scum.
This is my playstyle as well. I always start by figuring out who my current Town reads are because it makes it easier for me to figure out who I want to prioritize from the remaining pile.

I really like Fowl lol, he's my kind of Mafia player.
 
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Given I was supposed to be the doctor, I really don't believe it. Now it's just a question of how many other scum jump on the bus.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Ignoring the maybe ominous announcement

curious to see who they vote off the island today. Kinda hoping they ignore [redacted] since they have one of my favorite roles in the game. :<
 
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Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Kinda bummed that we have so many folks under the post count limit right now. LoC already said he was likely busy this weekend so that makes sense but Nin and Turm? Think I know way the latter is doing this at least.
 
I should have taken that break I was talking about before the game. I was completely disengaged and not really motivated to play at all. Monkey is town for sure and I probably just saved scum, so I also managed to ruin it for everyone on my team.
Sorry to all I have disappointed, I will probably not play in any game for a while.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Nah you're good, Malus. Honestly there's a decent amount to look at this phase and especially at the end if Town can get itself back together again.
 
I should have taken that break I was talking about before the game. I was completely disengaged and not really motivated to play at all. Monkey is town for sure and I probably just saved scum, so I also managed to ruin it for everyone on my team.
Sorry to all I have disappointed, I will probably not play in any game for a while.
You're all good malus.

although I dont think Monkey is town :P

Seriously though, take all the time off you need. These games get intense.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I don't think I've ever seen 3 overnight replacements before, tomorrow is going to be an interesting day with all the fresh faces.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Yeah, it's gonna be a bit rough. :<

Think the activity will kick up for sure since all 3 of these replacements are covering low post count folks.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
I'm guessing Fowl is the Mafia NK for tonight, though that's not really a bold prediction lol.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
The bold prediction is that Natiko is Town and Scum are so fearful of him entering the game that they just shoot him immediately, like Scum did to Gorlak in GoT lol. :P
 
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turmoil7

more than six maelstroms
Hi everyone, I subbed out because I was feeling awful, and I am taking a mafia hiatus (tm) regarding playing

No kill? I guess the double kill was a vigilante then
 
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Fanto

Confirmed Town
So Polter is Aang? Interesting... That's a weird role claim, I don't trust him lol.
 

Flush

Poker Royalty
Was it a bad move pushing away from turmoil? I'm a tracker I can verify his claim or catch him red-handed?

malus just looked exactly like me when I'm Scum with nothing to talk about because I know too much.
 

Flush

Poker Royalty
Also we need to talk about how signing up for a game is a commitment and doing so and then dropping without some unexpected real life shit is disrespectful of the game and the community imo.

(this especially means loc is excused)
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
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fowl, The Boulder was not a "bad" person, per se. Certainly not on the level of Azula or Ozai or that Dai-Li guy
WHO TOLD YOU ALL THE SCUM FLAVOR NAMES. SPILL.
 
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Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Was it a bad move pushing away from turmoil? I'm a tracker I can verify his claim or catch him red-handed?

malus just looked exactly like me when I'm Scum with nothing to talk about because I know too much.
If you hadn't of been killed you coulda really helped out there. Think once one scum falls they can easily catch the others.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Feel like we've hit the point with Monkey's meta that anything she does now is 'not solving/pointing fingers/asking questions' and thus means she is scum. It feels like the bar has been set super high for her to hit it and, i dont know, it feels weird.

Is she really not solving this time around? To me it looks like she is.
 
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Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Also side note since we are speaking in meta. Stan going from a possible Day 1 lunch to nothing now is highly amusing. He puts in some effort with that pretyped post and suddenly everyone doesn't want to look at him funny incase he pulls out a knife. It's great.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Also we need to talk about how signing up for a game is a commitment and doing so and then dropping without some unexpected real life shit is disrespectful of the game and the community imo.

(this especially means loc is excused)
Thought i got to this earlier but guess not. :x

We've brought it up in the last 2 review threads and during post game in some cases. we've been trying to really hammer home how much of a commitment it is but that gets skewed when games have slow sign ups I think. People end up joining despite being unsure of a time commitment because X game has taken a while to fill up so instead of sitting out people hop in so the game can 'go'.
 
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Fanto

Confirmed Town
I'm just catching up on the thread now.
Verelios said:
I'd say everyone on your list sans Stan because of his time zone is a pretty big poster. You don't think that factors into your thought process?
Vote: Verelios

In other news, Monkey being Scum would be wild, I currently do not have her as Scum yet and I think the arguments against her are bad. I think her Scum likeliness goes up if Vere is Town, but I highly doubt that at this moment.

I suppose my overall reads are like:
Town:
Fowl
Monkey
Stan
Fran
Polter
Z-Beat

Which leaves me with:
Tearable
Verelios
Natiko
Zipped
SalvaPot

I wouldn't be terribly shocked if the Scum team was in that PoE? A lot of it does rest on Vere being Scum though, I'd toss that whole read list out the window if he flipped Town here.
Feel like we've hit the point with Monkey's meta that anything she does now is 'not solving/pointing fingers/asking questions' and thus means she is scum. It feels like the bar has been set super high for her to hit it and, i dont know, it feels weird.

Is she really not solving this time around? To me it looks like she is.
She's been saying all day I think that she doesn't have much time, she just seems like busy Monkey who hasn't had time to do her usual thing yet today. She's been "solving" all game so far imo.
 
Feel like we've hit the point with Monkey's meta that anything she does now is 'not solving/pointing fingers/asking questions' and thus means she is scum. It feels like the bar has been set super high for her to hit it and, i dont know, it feels weird.

Is she really not solving this time around? To me it looks like she is.
I'm sort of on both sides (lol) of this argument.

1. I absolutely loathe meta arguments. I know that's slightly hypocritical since even in this game I've explained some things as meta (see: Faddy throwing out ideas as hard facts), but does anyone remember Cherry who would change their entire playstyle each game? I feel like heads would explode if she was still around, since people lean on meta so, so hard. Meta "so and so would be doing ___________" arguments are frustrating because there's no real defense against them. "Town Bro usually does _____" quick hint: I dont have separate play styles for town and scum. No one really does.

2. Granted I havent read over the last page or two of the game thread, but start of day that I died made me really scumread Monkey. I'm probably 100% wrong though.

3. Turmoil is still scum, and town just going 'oh, you're a weak doctor? okay, moving on' is just ... get it together town!
 
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Fanto

Confirmed Town
I'm just kind of skimming through the thread and lol, there's so much paranoia and huge posts in there I can't even follow what's going on anymore.

I just hope they vote for Vere.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Okay, that's what I thought.
I'm sort of on both sides (lol) of this argument.

1. I absolutely loathe meta arguments. I know that's slightly hypocritical since even in this game I've explained some things as meta (see: Faddy throwing out ideas as hard facts), but does anyone remember Cherry who would change their entire playstyle each game? I feel like heads would explode if she was still around, since people lean on meta so, so hard. Meta "so and so would be doing ___________" arguments are frustrating because there's no real defense against them. "Town Bro usually does _____" quick hint: I dont have separate play styles for town and scum. No one really does.

2. Granted I havent read over the last page or two of the game thread, but start of day that I died made me really scumread Monkey. I'm probably 100% wrong though.

3. Turmoil is still scum, and town just going 'oh, you're a weak doctor? okay, moving on' is just ... get it together town!
Heh, Cherry in this environment would be a lot of fun to see. If I played more often and could pull that off even half as well as she could I would try for it.

Honestly this monkey fixation feels more like a byproduct of no scum lunches than monkey doing anything. Sucks. :(
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
This argument about monkey being scummy because of Stan/Turm is nonsense by the way. If she is scummy because of them then why not flip them first? Especially Turm/Vere. Hell, it seems like almost everyone agrees against Turm/Vere??????

idk
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
If she is scummy because of them then why not flip them first? Especially Turm/Vere. Hell, it seems like almost everyone agrees against Turm/Vere??????
This is what I would be arguing in there, but from what I read I was seeing multiple people still treating the 50% Doctor claim as being worthy of considering as real, so...???

Turm/Vere was the flip that should have happened yesterday, and now they are trying to talk themselves out of it today. My guess is that Town is starting to go into ultra-anxiety mode since they still haven't hit Scum and the numbers are (probably) going to start getting dire after today if they hit Town again, so they are worried that taking out an "easy" target like Turm/Vere today, and them flipping Town, will doom them for the rest of the game.

I'm also skimming and not totally caught up on the thread, so that's just my guess based on what I did read lol. :P
 

turmoil7

more than six maelstroms
Catching up with the thread and reading all the "turm vere" I feel like if I am blending into a single person with Vere :p

Sorry for the shitty position I left you in, vere
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
This is what I would be arguing in there, but from what I read I was seeing multiple people still treating the 50% Doctor claim as being worthy of considering as real, so...???

Turm/Vere was the flip that should have happened yesterday, and now they are trying to talk themselves out of it today. My guess is that Town is starting to go into ultra-anxiety mode since they still haven't hit Scum and the numbers are (probably) going to start getting dire after today if they hit Town again, so they are worried that taking out an "easy" target like Turm/Vere today, and them flipping Town, will doom them for the rest of the game.

I'm also skimming and not totally caught up on the thread, so that's just my guess based on what I did read lol. :P
Right. And him flipping Town, plus a protective PR at that, would seriously hurt.

But this still doesn't disregard all of the evidence against him that didn't go away. Plus I think Salva said it but it's a common scum tactic to claim a PR near Day End to either bring out a real claim or to live. His claim fit that bill.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
But this still doesn't disregard all of the evidence against him that didn't go away. Plus I think Salva said it but it's a common scum tactic to claim a PR near Day End to either bring out a real claim or to live. His claim fit that bill.
Exactly, there are perfectly good cases still from before his claim, and the claim itself is a classic Scum claim. And even though I always say this, I think this is classic Scum Vere running around in there as well from what I've read, I just don't think anyone is calling him out for it.

I would be pushing that as the obvious vote for the day if I was in there still, and hard defending Monkey too lol.
 

turmoil7

more than six maelstroms
You know what I'm saying here. Don't be obtuse. Doctors don't usually yell YOLO LOL I'M VOTING FOR FUN CHAOS FUCK YEAH
I know it's not the same but I did as tracker

It got me lunched too
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Ok, actually reading some things now, and oh my god! I am in love with this post!
The level of scrutiny Monkey has been up to in this thread is 100x higher than every other player in the game. She's playing "sloppy for her pedigree". So what? It's a hard game. There are a lot of null and uncertain slots, there are a lot of replacements, and there are a lot of weird machinations going on with the wagons. She may have posted some thought process you disagree with, but she's trying to be transparent and I've melded with maybe near 70% of it. If she's playing sloppily then we have other people that are playing like the BP oil spill and they're getting way less scrutiny than they deserve.

I feel like you are all reading her with the expectation that as town she would have already jumped over three fireballs and day vigged Fire Lord Ozai himself. She must have a really epic normal town game for this to even be happening and I wish I got to see that in a more normal game instead of this replacement hell game. It's a shitty situation for everyone involved when this many people get replaced or go low activity and I just get the sense from her ISO that she's trying her best to solve the game. I can't agree to this lynch.
Oh my gooooooooddddd, I love this so much! Yes, hard defend Monkey! Call out the people who are saying she's playing sloppily, of all fucking people lol.
This is exactly how I feel tbh and I appreciate you pointing it out. Other people are out here just straight up getting things wrong, constantly, repeatedly, making tons of assumptions, not explaining things, not being consistent, but every single person except you - and one other - is on my ass.

Guess who that other one is?

It's Verelios. Who's doing absolutely nothing. Except, I would guess, watching all this go down and laughing.

I've been told I'm not making an effort - I have loads of posts, multiple reads lists, progressions, questions to people every phase, while answering tons of questions and correcting info. But somehow that's detached.

I'm told some of that effort is useless, because I guess I don't get to talk about mechanics but other people do.

If I answer one person instead of another, it's busywork. If I don't answer someone on their schedule, I'm avoiding.

And goddamn, heaven forbid I don't fight with Fran!

Sorry I'm fucking letting everyone down by not playing to your exactly specifications and expectations.

lol

Today, so far, Verelios has asked questions and thrown general mild shade. He's not voted or taken any positions. He seems relatively caught up. But he has actually taken zero stands.

Is that your king? That's scum zone.
Thank you lol, Vere is being his Scum self here 100%.
Probably
Protect: Stan
Investigate: Monkey/Fowl
Kill: As of now, I'm not exactly sure. I'll go back through d2 and return with this.
Look at this list, what? No kill? Protect Stan? Lmao.
What timing. He doesn't even have a hypothetical kill. Not even a for-fun kill.
RIGHT!?!?!?!

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My Scum Team is Verelios/Salva/Natiko currently? I think that makes sense as long as Vere flips Scum today.

I'm pretty sure Natiko is just Scum here tbh. I'm not like, fully reading his posts, but when I see his reads and his votes, and when I do read his posts, I'm just like "You're not Town, are you?"

Fran is a mayyyyyyyyyybe if I'm wrong there, but I think he's more likely Town right now than Natiko, his reads make sense at least.

If I'm wrong on Salva, then maybe Tearable or Zipped is, idk, but out of those 3, Salva seems most likely.

I have Polter as Town, but Z-Beat is basically my Null right now, he might just be fucking around, idk.

In before Monkey and/or Fowl are Scum instead.
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
Just as a heads up, I'm taking a break from Era for a while, so I wont' be reading the game either, but I'll still pop in here to see how things are unfolding now and then.

My reads above are locked in, I have no changes to make. I fully expect to be completely wrong and for Fowl and Monkey to be Scum together or whatever, but meh, that's the best I can do.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
that's fine, Fanto. I'm sure reading just the spec thread will make complete sense and won't be confusing at all :p
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
RIP my favorite role in the game. never even got to be used ;;7

and Vere. RIP. for jumping into a rough spot he for sure succeeded with creating chaos before he died.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Oh boy, good looking out Spec. I thought I'd be able to wiggle out of this but the moment I saw the doc claim two thoughts came to mind:

1. I'm definitely dead.
2. I could either come forward and say it was a joke right then, the moment I stepped in, or I'd have to take it to the grave.

In hindsight I probably should have come clean on the doc claim and based my play from there. It would have at least bought me a day (maybe).

I failed you mate @turmoil7.
 

turmoil7

more than six maelstroms
No, this phase was a very good game by you given the circumstances, at some point others would had to self defense vote and we were the one everyone has as 1st or 2nd so it was a foregone conclusion

Good job!
 

Fanto

Confirmed Town
that's fine, Fanto. I'm sure reading just the spec thread will make complete sense and won't be confusing at all :p
I took a peek at the flip just to be sure I was right lol.

My reads still make sense with the vote count too, the people voting Monkey look so bad, and then Natiko with the customary bus vote to seal it.