Gossip Thread Whisper, whisper

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
tbh not really. I dont know if I ever was in a gossip thread.

So what do you think makes sense to talk about here? Obviously you got one information already now, that I'm a town gossip. I have one more shot of this ability. Feel comfortable telling you after your play on D1, and it's not a great ability anyway.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Well that kinda answers my follow up question about why you picked me to come and hang out with you. Who would you have picked if you didn't pick me?

2-shot is pretty small too for a gossip so that kinda stinks...

While you making this chat confirms you have an ability it doesn't really confirm your alignment. Sorry, Muffin. I think we'd be better off sharing opinions/reads here in case the other dies during the Night. I'm currently rereading Day 1 so just kinda gathering some thoughts and ideas and I'll leave em here.
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
2-shot is pretty small too for a gossip so that kinda stinks...
Is it? Okay, to be fair, in my last game malus/rac were scum with gossip as side power and 2 shots iirc. But I've also seen Town Brazil who could put other people in chats with two shots in HvV2.
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
I think we'd be better off sharing opinions/reads here in case the other dies during the Night. I'm currently rereading Day 1 so just kinda gathering some thoughts and ideas and I'll leave em here.
Yeah agreed, though I always have a hard time reading D1. My main takeaway concerning town reads, coming from Doggy Style mafia, Geno seems the same as that game where he was town, and he's generally a pretty good player imo.

It's time to sleep for me, so I hope I can find a few other things to point out tomorrow.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Goodnight! o/

After reading Day 1 again I'd agree with you on Geno. He seems pretty forthcoming with his thoughts despite not liking Day 1 and nothing he has done has come across as scummy.

This is more for curiosities sake and you absolutely do not have to answer but do you submit your command during the day phase to start the gossip chat? I think that's how it works but google isnt giving me an answer and im too tired to try and hunt down more info
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
Goodnight! o/

After reading Day 1 again I'd agree with you on Geno. He seems pretty forthcoming with his thoughts despite not liking Day 1 and nothing he has done has come across as scummy.

This is more for curiosities sake and you absolutely do not have to answer but do you submit your command during the day phase to start the gossip chat? I think that's how it works but google isnt giving me an answer and im too tired to try and hunt down more info
Yes, I send the command the day before.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Going over everything again I feel pretty good with Malus being Town. He's been forthcoming with his thoughts as well and even brings up newer ideas without much prompting. He's been consistent with his reads and opinions as well.

On a less certain note I still think Fran is Town but he's being fairly quiet right now. Then there's a jumble of Stan, Chuggs, Royal, nin, Ynnek, Kalor, and yourself that I thiiiiink might be Town but I'm far less confident on. Stan, Kalor, Chuggs, and yourself are around and haven't rang any alarm bells but there's not enough good there to be sure. Royal went back and forth on Sparks/Ynnek but I think that's more him not having played in a bit than anything dangerous. Ynnek's reaction to Day End is what gives me a better feeling on him as he didn't claim or get nervous - makes me think he is Vanilla Town. Nin is all over the damn place but he doesn't seem underhanded so far.

That leaves: Fireblend, Captain, and Turm. Gotta start work over here but I'll go into those later
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Fireblend:
Pretty much what I said earlier in that he immediately jumps to what Sparks was saying about him (which reads as nervous), doesn't answer me calling him out on it (which reads as defensive), and even later on when I bring it up again he goes to Sparks instead of simply talking about it. I also find many of his posts stilted and like he is trying to find a way to enter into conversation in an unnatural way to appear helpful. His Save and PIK lists included Geno, Fran, Kalor, myself, and Captain as 'wouldn't vote out today', Protects as myself or Kalor, Investigate as Captain, and Kill with Sparks or nin. This lines up with his final vote on Sparks.Though I will say he really doesn't talk about Ynnek much. He did seem concerned about having another vote train at one point but never really offered one and didn't argue for/against Ynnek during that time.

I do think malus had a good post pointing out #364 where Fireblend makes a comment on Sparks that reads like he knows he will flip Town and is trying to justify it.
I think he's a liability. He's way more concerned about being liked by everyone than scumhunting and that makes him flip-flop on his opinions and say things as safe as possible in an attempt to remain in the game while throwing light shade as follow up to proper accusations to make it seem like he agrees with people. That makes him both easy to sway and unhelpful to town.
Which just reinforces #380 as it feels manufactured and like he is trying to justify voting for a townie.
2 hours to go. Best case scenario is we hit scum with Spark, and scum is not making an effort to save him because they can't come up with a better alternative or a good defense/they tried (ynnek's post) and then immediately withdrew because of the slip up?

Worst case scenario this is town lunching town and they're just sitting in the back.

shrug
Captain:
A lot of Captain comes down to how you read his posts. They all read nervous and like he is trying to put in a lot of effort to seem Townie - something that I'm not sure is scummy or because he hasn't played a whole lot recently and is just nervous in general.

He makes a serious vote on Turmoil in the first 12 hours of the game by picking at his wording of 'sparks putting a bag above his seat' for some reason. Doesn't interact with Turm after that and then suddenly votes Sparks for saying 'turm knows something we don't'. The wording of this just feels forced.
Knowing something other people don't isn't anything to necessarily be suspicious of, especially not Day 1. I'm still partially wary of him for what I read as pre-emptively trying to cast suspicion re: the briefcase thing, but I'm much more wary of people trying to saying information asymmetry is bad on Day 1.
He sort of follows it for a bit by clarifying that he doesn't think Spark's is role fishing but that using the idea of someone having more info than others is a shady way to paint someone as 'scummy'. He then suddenly gets defensive about the briefcase thing (???) and takes the bait to change his topic of conversation by going with a prod vote on Geno for doing nothing.
1) Lmao. Are you really still on me wanting to vote you because of the briefcase thing? Cause that's a misleading interpretation of my logic at best.

2) One thing I'm noticing that jumps out a bit is Geno's playstyle. It's been ages since I've played period, so it's entirely possible it's a style thing, but Geno has had very very meaningless comments so far this game. He's engaged with: Nin, and you. Nin he was ok voting for out of the gate because Geno finds it hard to read Nin. They had some back and forth together but it never really went anywhere. Felt a little staged and meaningless to me. When interacting with you he was very flippant and again void of directly interacting much other than "Yeah a vote on sparks would be ok".

To that end, despite the fact that I'd normally like to stop with pressure votes at this time frame...

Vote: Geno

What're your overall reads here?
But he just sort of slips off of this because Geno came back with 'well I just dont like Day 1'.



Gonna walk my dogs and then post on turmoil. I do think it's either Turm OR Captain as scum here and not both of them. I'm just not sure which one is wrong.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Then there's a jumble of Stan, Chuggs, Royal, nin, Ynnek, Kalor,
mulling on a thought but out of this group I feel like Stan, Chuggs, and Kalor have higher chances to be scum than the others. More of a gut feeling than anything concrete.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Turmoil
Turm is in a weird spot too. He initially prod votes Ynnek because 'he wanted to be sure he was town since last time he was a deepwolf' but when pressed on it doesn't really pursue it. Ynnek also asked for clarification on it and Turm states that deepwolf is a term brought here by Fowl Playa, which Ynnek expresses relief because he 'thought he had forgot a game'. Turm never really clarifies this, though, and it's unclear if he initially voted ynnek to 'see if he was town' or did it for a joke. This is the start of Turmoil beginning ideas/thoughts but never following up.

It's been called out already but he tried to pin down Sparks on 5 players very early in the Day Phase for some reason. He also randomly jumps to Fireblend to 'put the heat on him' despite Ynnek never really 'proving himself town' as he claimed he was trying to do. Later on, Turm asks for the opinion's of others before voting for Ynnek or Geno (his gut feeling) and only votes there after I call him out.

Now, his answers to the PIK list was Protect Sawneeks, Investigate Sparks, and Kill Geno with Sparks and Geno being interchangeable. However, he then makes this vote + post
Mmn yeah, I disagree with the sparks lunch, I think he hasn't been as jumpy and unpredictable as usual and that may make him look weird but not scum to me

I would go Geno but unlike nin he only has one vote and this stalemate would keep going so as I am finding nin off too

Vote:nin
For...some reason.

He also had a vote on Ynnek when he made his PIK list which Geno called him out on. He responded by saying that 'him wanting to kill Ynnek should be obvious' and that he shouldn't have to write it.

He then ends the Day on Sparks.

IF Ynnek is actually scum I'd argue that Turmoil would be his partner.

Overall Turm is all over the place. Hard to tell if it's Townie being confused or Scum trying to find a place and losing their own narrative in the process.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
I collected the answers to these as well. The ‘Save 3 and PIK’ lists:

Fran:
Save: Chuggs, Sawneeks, Flush
Protect: Chuggs
Investigate: Fireblend
Kill: Kalor

Turm:
Save: Fran, Kalor, and Malus
Protect: Sawneeks
Investigate: Sparks
Kill: Geno
(would change geno/sparks)
((at this post has a vote on ynnek. Geno calles him out https://www.resetera.com/threads/ni...s-a-man-out-there.192033/page-7#post-32475918 . Says that should be implicit))

Chuggs:
Save: Sawneeks, Fran, Captain(more since he never played with him)

Stan:
Save: Sawneeks, Geno, Fireblend
Kill: Sparks
Investigate: Fran
Protect: Geno

Muffin:
Save: Geno, Fireblend, Sawneeks
Protect: Geno
Investigate: Ynnek
Kill: Sparks

Nin:
Save: Sawneeks, Stan, and Captain
Kill: Turmoil
Protect: Captain
Inspect: Sawneeks

Malus:
Save: Fran, Sawneeks, Geno
Kalor:
Kill: Ynnek
Investigate: Geno
Protect: Sawneeks

Geno:
Save: Muffin, Fran, Sawneeks
Kill: Sparks
Investigate: Nin
Protect: Fran or Muffin

Fireblend:
Save: Geno, Fran, Kalor (plus myself and Captain in a different category. Captain could go later))
Protect: Sawneeks or Kalor
Investigate: Captain
Kill: Sparks or nin

Royal:
Protect: Fran
Investigate: Nin
Kill: Sparks (who he votes for in that post)

Ynnek:
Save: Captain, Fran, Stan

Captain:
Save: Malus, Fireblend, Sneeks
Protect: Sawneeks
Invest: Fireblend
Kill: Sparks

NO ANSWERS: Sparks, Kalor
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
Out of the people who were on Sparks at some point, I'd say especially Royal sticks out to me, and maybe Captain who was the first one on Sparks and came back to vote there at the end. I didnt like some of the things Royal was saying also, as Geno pointed out. And his justification for voting Ynnek isnt particularly elaborate, he even got an interaction Ynnek supposedly had wrong.

In general, Kalor just feels a bit shady to me, but that happens often so I wouldnt put my money there yet.
 
Thank God because you were one of the few people I could trust. I just hope you don't turn out to be malus 2.0 :P
 
Anyway I'm pretty mad at myself for being wrong about nin again, and Stan left which gets scum closer to a win :/. What are your thoughts?
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
I think that's what she meant when she said posts are not deleted? I'm not used to this either.
Yeah I thought that means I can keep looking back at this chat, as can Sneeks, but we two were getting a second one again. That's how I know it at least.
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
Anyway I'm pretty mad at myself for being wrong about nin again, and Stan left which gets scum closer to a win :/. What are your thoughts?
Turm is acting mega shady, so if next nights results arent him dead or he has satisfying investigative results, he's pretty lynchable.

And I'm considering a connection between Royal and Chuggs as scum team, maybe throw Fireblend in the mix. At least thats what that day end is telling me.
 
Turm is acting mega shady, so if next nights results arent him dead or he has satisfying investigative results, he's pretty lynchable.

And I'm considering a connection between Royal and Chuggs as scum team, maybe throw Fireblend in the mix. At least thats what that day end is telling me.
Yeah ngl the claim is the only one saving Turm. I agree on Royal, I didn't really think Fireblend was weird D1 but D2 he's been pretty scummy. Chuggs I need to reread tomorrow but I wouldn't be surprised if a 3rd member was Chuggs or Kalor.
I'm sure on you, Sneeks and Fran, I'll be very very surprised if any of you turned out to be scum
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
I'm sure on you, Sneeks and Fran, I'll be very very surprised if any of you turned out to be scum
That's funny, if you'd have asked me who I think is towniest besides you, I also would have named Sneeks and Fran.
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
Yup, agreed. How many scum you think? I'm thinking 3 since we had a neutral.
Three seems about right with a neutral. I'm trying to think of a few combinations right now.

I can see Turm - Chuggs - Royal or Kalor - Chuggs - Royal working out for example. Or exchange Chuggs for Fireblend. Chuggs saving Royal like that with his nin vote may be too obvious to do for scum.
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
This nin lynch is pretty unfortunate, but as so often, I have to blame nin partially at least for claiming bp at that point.
 
Three seems about right with a neutral. I'm trying to think of a few combinations right now.

I can see Turm - Chuggs - Royal or Kalor - Chuggs - Royal working out for example. Or exchange Chuggs for Fireblend. Chuggs saving Royal like that with his nin vote may be too obvious to do for scum.
I don't remember Chuggs as scum at all in recent memory, last game he suicided so I don't really count that, idk if he would've done something like that but knowing him he does play dangerously sometimes. Then again Flush wasn't really needed saving since 2 of his voters moved on me so maybe it was genuine. I could easily see Ynnek and Captain as scum too tbh, both seem to be cruising a lot, Ynnek was a bit more active D1 and Captain I need to reread but I remember him going with the flow a lot.
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
In terms of scumminess I'd rate the people above the following:

Turm (if his claim doesnt hold) > Royal > Kalor > Chuggs = Fireblend.
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
I don't remember Chuggs as scum at all in recent memory, last game he suicided so I don't really count that, idk if he would've done something like that but knowing him he does play dangerously sometimes. Then again Flush wasn't really needed saving since 2 of his voters moved on me so maybe it was genuine. I could easily see Ynnek and Captain as scum too tbh, both seem to be cruising a lot, Ynnek was a bit more active D1 and Captain I need to reread but I remember him going with the flow a lot.
I had Captain in mind for a little bit but I'm not sure about it. Ynnek got dangerously high to a lynch on D1 and on D2 also for a time, so that might indicate something, I agree. I barely know Ynnek from previous mafia games so it's hard to read him for me.
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
Looking back at the nin lynch, discounting you, Sneeks and Fran, there were Royal, Chuggs and Ynnek on the lynch at the end. I think there might be up to two scum there.
 
I had Captain in mind for a little bit but I'm not sure about it. Ynnek got dangerously high to a lynch on D1 and on D2 also for a time, so that might indicate something, I agree. I barely know Ynnek from previous mafia games so it's hard to read him for me.
I was scum with him once in a Bill and Ted mini mafia iirc, I might reread that but no promises because I'm a bit busy these days.
Mine would probably go something like this
Turm > Royal > Fireblend > Kalor(Fireblend and Kalor might be = not sure yet, gotta think about it a bit) > Chuggs=Captain(These 2 might change after the reread) > Ynnek.
 
Looking back at the nin lynch, discounting you, Sneeks and Fran, there were Royal, Chuggs and Ynnek on the lynch at the end. I think there might be up to two scum there.
Yeah up to 2 seems about right, I don't think all 3 piled up on nin, the third one probably being on me. Idk I don't wanna see too omgus but I don't like Fireblends reasoning to vote me haha.
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
Yeah up to 2 seems about right, I don't think all 3 piled up on nin, the third one probably being on me. Idk I don't wanna see too omgus but I don't like Fireblends reasoning to vote me haha.
It isn't a very solid vote, so scumFire might have coordinated with Turm, or townFire was just not fond of the other options and wanted another vote to escape to. Hard to say for now.
 
It isn't a very solid vote, so scumFire might have coordinated with Turm, or townFire was just not fond of the other options and wanted another vote to escape to. Hard to say for now.
Maybe yeah, although a better justification would be nice haha.
Anyway reread Captain, D1 he seemed to be trying a bit, the funniest part is that he also said that it's not excusable to do the bare minimum to get to the minimum post count without it being questioned, which was basically him D2 where he speculated a bit about how malus died and did very little otherwise. If turmoil is indeed a cop he's not 100% clear because godfather but I'll let it go for a bit, slight scum lean to scum lean for him.
Chuggs D2 said he felt nin was town yet he ends up voting for him just because of the bp claim? That's sus, why did he feel the need to join a wagon? Could've voted Kalor since that's who he wanted dead, like, he says quite a few times he'd vote Kalor and ends up on Ynnek who was after him, why? Why not prioritize Kalor if that's who he wanted dead most, it's not like Ynnek was in a state where he could be easily voted out and he felt voting there was good. Chuggs is probably scum, but I wouldn't lynch before Flush who is my biggest scum read now. If Chuggs flips scum then I'm confident Kalor is as well.
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
Maybe yeah, although a better justification would be nice haha.
Anyway reread Captain, D1 he seemed to be trying a bit, the funniest part is that he also said that it's not excusable to do the bare minimum to get to the minimum post count without it being questioned, which was basically him D2 where he speculated a bit about how malus died and did very little otherwise. If turmoil is indeed a cop he's not 100% clear because godfather but I'll let it go for a bit, slight scum lean to scum lean for him.
Chuggs D2 said he felt nin was town yet he ends up voting for him just because of the bp claim? That's sus, why did he feel the need to join a wagon? Could've voted Kalor since that's who he wanted dead, like, he says quite a few times he'd vote Kalor and ends up on Ynnek who was after him, why? Why not prioritize Kalor if that's who he wanted dead most, it's not like Ynnek was in a state where he could be easily voted out and he felt voting there was good. Chuggs is probably scum, but I wouldn't lynch before Flush who is my biggest scum read now. If Chuggs flips scum then I'm confident Kalor is as well.
Good points overall, I have nothing more to add. I really hope Fran isnt playing a really good scum game or something, because I'm pretty confident in the reads we discussed so far.
 
Good points overall, I have nothing more to add. I really hope Fran isnt playing a really good scum game or something, because I'm pretty confident in the reads we discussed so far.
Yeah lol, I'll say it was a deserved win if that's the case.