Scum Thread Phantom Troupe

[Kyanrute]

This will just be that thing about people having the strongest feelings about the thing they saw last, won't it?

all they see is blarg and all they shall desire will be blarg and blarg they shall not have (yet)

 

[Kyanrute]

missed a eva remake joke there SIGH

...and blarg they shall (not) have

1/5

 

[Yuta]

We're at a point where it doesn't matter what I write at all... There was a fine window of opportunity with Vere and he could've maybe been lunched over me, but that dumb crumb destroyed all hopes of that. Now he's just suspicious of me, because I dropped him like a hot potato. It doesn't matter what I do.

 

[Yuta]

@Natiko Are we able to force some interaction out of ourselves or should we refrain? If things go wrong, and they always do somehow, you'll probably end up in lylo... In retrospec our relationship or lack there of may or may not come up. But monkey has ignored a few posts with questions from me as is and she'll flip town.

Huh, our coming night actions will decide if we have this in the bag or not. I can't see any of us survivng against Flush, Vere or Donna especially with a dead Monkey.

 

[Blargonaut]

This will just be that thing about people having the strongest feelings about the thing they saw last, won't it?

all they see is blarg and all they shall desire will be blarg and blarg they shall (not) have

All I should do from this point then is spam photos of muffins until Day-end

 

[Kyanrute]

One play is to not post at all now Blarg. Give them nothing, cool the discussion down to absolutely nothing. Would need to commit to it though, the one post you can make is a self-pres vote on the final minute and that is all. Though I imagine the meta makes this too end up as your unlynch.

 

[Blargonaut]

DIVIDE & CONQUER​

 

[Blargonaut]

If I straight-up challenge everybody to it being me or Muffin; if they pick me they get nothing, if they pick Muffin we're still on track

 

[Blargonaut]

and there's a slim chance they'll be just so intimidated and/or confused that they decide on neither of us and randomly strike out at somebody else entirely

You're all good so far IMO. Gorlak don't worry about it Vere's just probing

 

[Blargonaut]

and now for a bit of that silence, while I await the rest of the committee

 

[Blargonaut]

donna misinterpreted that as a miss of her now Town-reading you Kyan but I assure you it's not, and besides the wording is ambiguous enough to say no I clearly said I know she's Town-reading you

 

[Natiko]

@Natiko Are we able to force some interaction out of ourselves or should we refrain? If things go wrong, and they always do somehow, you'll probably end up in lylo... In retrospec our relationship or lack there of may or may not come up. But monkey has ignored a few posts with questions from me as is and she'll flip town.

Huh, our coming night actions will decide if we have this in the bag or not. I can't see any of us survivng against Flush, Vere or Donna especially with a dead Monkey.

I’ll see what I can do. Ultimately we just need to make sure you die before me if it goes sideways. Then I can try and day kill for the win in lylo.

 

[Blargonaut]

 

[Yuta]

I’ll see what I can do. Ultimately we just need to make sure you die before me if it goes sideways. Then I can try and day kill for the win in lylo.

I'm not even sure we need to create something, at the very least not today anymore.

 

[Blargonaut]

If you're gonna present alternatives and/or theories to Town, now would be the best time to do it; brought the discussion to a confrontation/standstill, so anything you say rn can be framed as "soooo anyway, what about that x, huh?"

good Town points if you do it right

 

[Blargonaut]

But you don't have to really

Best at this point to wait for Dr. M to return before engaging fully again

 

[Blargonaut]

Jesus christ, what is this?

lol

 

[Blargonaut]

finally

 

[Blargonaut]

alright let's get somewhere then

c'mon Town have at it

c'mmoooonnnnn

 

[Kyanrute]

My one shortcoming as scum has always been the inability to push townies. Here too, here too.

 

[Natiko]

If only one more townie would vote Muffin

 

[Kyanrute]

would be a shame if i now publicly positioned myself for the blarg lynch

oh whoops i just did it again

damn it i just looooooove long automobiles that are commonly used to transport tens of people from a to b in a relatively cheap and timely manner

 

[Natiko]

@Blargonaut Just to be safe don’t self hammer in case somehow Fran interprets your role as being able to block the unlynchable lol

 

[Natiko]

Not sure what Vere is building up to but I don’t like it. I suspect we will be sad we didn’t get Muffin today lol

 

[Natiko]

“Bye” Blarg lol

 

[Blargonaut]

NOW HOPE THAT MUFFIN DIDN'T RANDOMLY MESS WITH MY SHIT

BEEN A PLEASURE SERVING WITH YOU ALL

 

[Blargonaut]

bwahahahahahahahahaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[Blargonaut]

Of course it would've been ideal if we got Muffin out.

BUT BWHAHAHA.

 

[Natiko]

Okay, we made it out to the other side.

Kill Royal, bomb Vere? Do we have the sticky tonight and if so do we use it?

 

[Natiko]

Or do we just avoid Vere like the plague due to whatever he is working towards?

 

[Kyanrute]

Lynchproof Blarg is such a fun thing.

We need really good picks now. Kills and bombs can be switched to us.

 

[Blargonaut]

okokok

I do have the STICKY available to use

So we have to:

Natiko -> KILL: ???
Blargonaut -> STICKY: ???
Kyanrute -> KYAN~BOMB: ???
Gorlak -> GUNGI: ???​

 

[Kyanrute]

We should analyze the nin-types to have a guess what Vere and Donna can have as their roles.

Then the number analysis too.

 

[Blargonaut]

Muffin's Random can really fuck us up Tonight.

Do you think it'd actually be worth it for us if we just NK'ed him?

 

[Natiko]

Lynchproof Blarg is such a fun thing.

We need really good picks now. Kills and bombs can be switched to us.

True, true. Maybe we go for oddball picks.

 

[Blargonaut]

besides that; I think I'm going to STICKY either Zipped or Muffin, yeah? They seem the 2 most likely to be voted against?

Just to note again, a player won't notice they're STICKY'd until they UNVOTE from the STICKY'd person, then they'll be mod-informed that they can't move

It might alert others if an early-voter against Muffin or Zipped decides to UNVOTE for whatever reason early, then "oh-no! Zipped/Muffin was vote-locked?! It's clearly a set-up they must be Town!"... so is worth that risk?

 

[Natiko]

I think we need to decide the kill and bomb first, then we can weigh the benefits of sticky on a player that isn’t set to die.

 

[Natiko]

Part of this is how committed we are to boom next phase too.

 

[Blargonaut]

hmm

I'm gonna go top-down view for a bit, read up again, brb

 

[Natiko]

I think we maybe bomb Donna? She’ll be confirmed when A blows up anyways and she’s less likely to be a switch target. If we’re SUPER paranoid about switches you NK/bomb the combo of Zipped and Muffin. I think we could probably split the difference and pick one of them for the NK and bomb Donna still, but that’s kind of where my head is at.

Positive of Zipped:

• Less likely to be a vote candidate the next day
• Removes chance of a cop check reveal

Negatives of Zipped:

• I probably get WIFOMed into the dirt due to the timing

Positive of Muffin:

• Possibly could get switched with a confirmed Town at night?

Negative of Muffin:

• Removes the best hope of a non-scum vote tomorrow and removes maybe one of the only people worth using sticky on

 

[Natiko]

Personally my vote is probably bomb Donna, NK Zipped, and sticky Muffin. We just hope against hope the actions go through and we wing it tomorrow as far as when to bomb, if we bomb at all, etc.

That said if we AREN’T committed to bombing tomorrow maybe you kill Muffin to raise the odds of a successful bomb gift the next night. But we don’t just have the fear of the switch, we may have the vote bomb on Blarg instead which would make this all quite messy now that we have no hopes of an instant majority from the boom.

 

[Blargonaut]

Still rereading...

And shout-out to SalvaPot for creating the custom Role that made this shenanigan possible <3 Gorlak ya got a concept for your GUNGI target Tonight? I was initially thinking you should gift a Townsperson for Town-cred BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT then I realised that whoever you gifted to would GET THE PM that explicitly says "1-SHOT UNLUNCHABLE" on their menu (unpickable now but still) so WHOAAAAA do NOT GUNGI-gift a Townsfolk Tonight, nonononono.

 

[Blargonaut]

I mean, by itself is NAI. But best not to introduce the possibility of being scumread just for seemingly helping Shit-eating Grin Blargonaut survive a Day's death, right...?

 

[Natiko]

At this point since no one else will claim to have received them I think the idea of town credit for it is out the window, plus too many of the choices don’t seem like something a townie would put

 

[Yuta]

hey, this time I missed day end by a mere two hours ~ thanks zipped ;)

@Kyanrute is the tresh chat still active? wasn't geno's role unlimited? how does it work here? did Verelios allude to anything besides "I'm probably safe tonight"

 

[Yuta]

@Blargonaut I'm not using my role. And I definitely don't hand a "UNKILLABLE" perk to any town at this point.

 

[Yuta]

@Natiko Do you think Monkey will use ITA? I'd see it as the perfect time to use it. From her point of view she'd get rid of Blarg, others could shoot at suspects + more info.

Can you be here for the day start tomorrow Blarg & Kyan, in case we have ITAs? Can't risk a stray bullet at Kyaa *imo* I'd auto boom in that case. Also self-protect is a must for Blarg of course.

 

[Yuta]

I don't know if this overview is helpful, but I have it for myself anyway:

Spoiler

 

[Kyanrute]

Kill Zipped 6-4. Bomb Donna.

1) See Kalor gone, do not BOOM :D
1.1) D5 6-4, Blarg vote bombed, Muffin lynched, Vere/Flush NK'd and the not killed gets a bomb.
D6 4-3, Monkey, Donna, A and Vere/Flush have a bomb. A and Monkey should die on BOOM :D, victory on +1 death. 2-2: Natiko+Gorlak vs. Unknowns.

1.2) D5 6-4, Blarg vote bombed, Gorlak lynched, Vere/Flush NK'd, bomb Muffin.
D6 4-2 BOOM :D to remove Muffin, A, Monkey, victory if Donna dies. Alternatively 1-1: Natiko vs. Donna.

2) See turmoil gone, see a non-scum flip, get a read on if Vere can fuck things up, BOOM :D
2.1) Monkey, A die to the bombs
2.1.1) D5 3-3, open wolf vs. Donna's role.
2.1.2) D5 3-3, lynch Muffin to win.

2.2) Monkey, A, Donna die to the bombs
D5 2-3 victory.

Someone check if the numbers are correct.

 

[Natiko]

@Natiko Do you think Monkey will use ITA? I'd see it as the perfect time to use it. From her point of view she'd get rid of Blarg, others could shoot at suspects + more info.

Can you be here for the day start tomorrow Blarg & Kyan, in case we have ITAs? Can't risk a stray bullet at Kyaa *imo* I'd auto boom in that case. Also self-protect is a must for Blarg of course.

I don’t know. She might purely because she might feel there’s too many confirmed Town for her to be at risk of being NKed.

Yes, if the ITA comes out kyaa should probably just auto-boom and Blarg self vote no matter what. We can’t boom to an instant victory at this point. I forgot about Blarg being invincible if he self votes so that makes the bomb from Royal less of a scary proposition.

Let’s see:

7-4 NK and a bomb
6-4 go boom
3-3 Blarg is invincible to shenanigans but is voted out
3-2 NK
2-2 Open wolf to a NL? Or bus Gor if we can’t open wolf for some weird reason
2-1 at worst, NK
1-1 DK win

Our biggest threat here is Royal and all these powers he’s stealing. It’s a real shame we didn’t get Muffin out today, that opens the window up to us losing based on the Town night actions. Malus saving Royal may have cost us the game.

 

[Kyanrute]

I'll be here for the day start.

 

[Blargonaut]

oh thank god for that paperwork yes, TY.

Also yes I'll be at Day-start

 

[Kyanrute]

Yeah, I kill too many people in 2 don't I.

6-4 turns to 4-3 or 3-3 depending if Donna dies.

 

[Natiko]

Kill Zipped 6-4. Bomb Donna.

1) See Kalor gone, do not BOOM :D
1.1) D5 6-4, Blarg vote bombed, Muffin lynched, Vere/Flush NK'd and the not killed gets a bomb.
D6 4-3, Monkey, Donna, A and Vere/Flush have a bomb. A and Monkey should die on BOOM :D, victory on +1 death. 2-2: Natiko+Gorlak vs. Unknowns.

1.2) D5 6-4, Blarg vote bombed, Gorlak lynched, Vere/Flush NK'd, bomb Muffin.
D6 4-2 BOOM :D to remove Muffin, A, Monkey, victory if Donna dies. Alternatively 1-1: Natiko vs. Donna.

2) See turmoil gone, see a non-scum flip, get a read on if Vere can fuck things up, BOOM :D
2.1) Monkey, A die to the bombs
2.1.1) D5 3-3, open wolf vs. Donna's role.
2.1.2) D5 3-3, lynch Muffin to win.

2.2) Monkey, A, Donna die to the bombs
D5 2-3 victory.

Someone check if the numbers are correct.

Blarg would be invulnerable to the bomb if he self votes I think, so that may tweak the math. Also in the 2) options I think it would be 4-3 if Donna survives the bomb, and 3-3 if she did not (so maybe open wolf then).

 

[Blargonaut]

Wouldn't it be great if we ITA'd our way to victory

 

[Blargonaut]

I'm immune to ITAs while self-voting, so yes I presume I'd be immune to any votebomb. If Fran, you're peeking at our chat rn would love a quick offish confirm but only if you've got time, sry to bother u

 

[Blargonaut]

Sorry I've not grasped the breakdown yet but there's no way we can OPEN WOLF 3-3 Tmow, right?

So there's no qualms if I immediately self-vote/self-lockdown at Day-start?

 

[Yuta]

Re: Zipped - he has a cop check tonight. Who would be his target? High chances on me (see #3389), that is something we can live with. If he decides to check Natiko though, that would be bad. I'm kinda thinking we could leave him alone, to not stir the deepwolf natiko thoughts.

Re: Flush - out of the available roles only turms switch or kalor bomb seems really useful. Malus guard wouldn't really help himself. Will he go switch and mess things up? It becomes dangerous to target Flush or Vere at all.

Re: Vere - no idea what his role is. Kyan any hunches based off of the chat? I'd leave it alone, even if it's just a bluff to survive and he comes out with 3 red checks tomorrow, still wouldn't touch him.

Honestly I have to crunch numbers myself to get a real feeling, but a Muffin kill seems tempting, but does that reveal too much info regarding this day phase?

 

[Kyanrute]

In all but one scenario, if I have it right now, we need +1 mislynch.

See turmoil gone, see a dead townie who is not Donna, A or Monkey, see Donna alive and worrying about a package, see Vere claiming something that cannot fuck things up - BOOM :D should bring this to 3-3 Blarg+Gorlak+Natiko vs. Vere+Flush+Muffin. Force tie and win with NK, consider what Flush could steal.

Surely Muffin cannot affect the NK, right? That is not a nin-power.

 

[Blargonaut]

I think I could counter Zipped's investigation result (whatever it may be) if I do my planned fake-claim Tmow (if I'm ever lunched I immediately get 2 Strong Alignment-Investigates against any 2 players who lunched me); accuse Zipped of being scum

 

[Natiko]

Sorry I've not grasped the breakdown yet but there's no way we can OPEN WOLF 3-3 Tmow, right?

So there's no qualms if I immediately self-vote/self-lockdown at Day-start?

We can if there is no Kalor steal, our stuff goes through, and no ITAs. That’s pretty much the only way to though.

Re: Zipped - he has a cop check tonight. Who would be his target? High chances on me (see #3389), that is something we can live with. If he decides to check Natiko though, that would be bad. I'm kinda thinking we could leave him alone, to not stir the deepwolf natiko thoughts.

Re: Flush - out of the available roles only turms switch or kalor bomb seems really useful. Malus guard wouldn't really help himself. Will he go switch and mess things up? It becomes dangerous to target Flush or Vere at all.

Re: Vere - no idea what his role is. Kyan any hunches based off of the chat? I'd leave it alone, even if it's just a bluff to survive and he comes out with 3 red checks tomorrow, still wouldn't touch him.

Honestly I have to crunch numbers myself to get a real feeling, but a Muffin kill seems tempting, but does that reveal too much info regarding this day phase?

If he checks me he’ll think he got roleblocked.

In all but one scenario, if I have it right now, we need +1 mislynch.

See turmoil gone, see a dead townie who is not Donna, A or Monkey, see Donna alive and worrying about a package, see Vere claiming something that cannot fuck things up - BOOM :D should bring this to 3-3 Blarg+Gorlak+Natiko vs. Vere+Flush+Muffin. Force tie and win with NK, consider what Flush could steal.

Surely Muffin cannot affect the NK, right? That is not a nin-power.

I think we don’t need ANY ML if we never miss our stuff again, but that’s an iffy proposition with the switch and Royal still in play.

 

[Natiko]

Oh and Muffin can effect the NK because I’m doing it and I’m ascetic.

 

[Kyanrute]

I don't have an idea what Vere could be. The protection-hinting commands happened in the main thread as well as in thresh-3, but the vote thing and whatever seems like a celebrity reveal is about to come tomorrow.

 

[Natiko]

I would love that because it’s not threatening at least.

 

[Yuta]

Wait, I always assumed Muffin could stop our NK anyway.

Spoiler: muffin role quotes

To make it clear so people won't have reads on me based on conflicting information, as my role is out there anyway now:
I use my command at night, it chooses a random person besides me, that person gets their night actions reversed. I'm a bit unsure whether I want to give up all effects already, but for my role I had to make a list of nen types and how they are affected by my role.
One obvious effect: Protects kill instead, kills protect instead.

My idea was: I want something I havent done before, and reversing the effect of night actions was one idea that came up. I then looked into that link from Fran with the list of roles and saw that "Role Reverser" is actually something that exists, without mention of it being alignment specific, and protective turning into killing being an example of effect.
I didnt want to 1:1 copy something from the list, so I added the random modifier, also because I was assuming that Fran would limit me in shots otherwise.
In hindsight I should have added that I get at least a result back of which Nen type I hit or which actions were reversed without getting the actor and the target back. Right now I dont get anything back.

And the reverse effects:

Protect and Kill are reversed to each other, Cop checks give the opposite result, chats are not created or existing chats are blocked, informative messages are sent backwards, power gainers dont copy/steal powers but make their targets power unblockable, supporters roleblock instead, nexus gets roleblocked while switchers/redirecters redirect to themselves, manipulative powers being broad do the opposite if possible, and are blocked if not.

Yup, I think it could stop our nk. If it is nen-related should I kill? Do we have a blocker out there? (Donna, maybe an x-shot from Aeleus? or Vere) Could they target me? Probably better to have Natiko do the kill?

Also sorry Blarg but no one is going to believe you anything after today's recipe session.

 

[Kyanrute]

Multi-power JOAT? Zipped-style charging thing?

Would need to check nin-type list to see what fits.

 

[Blargonaut]

Also sorry Blarg but no one is going to believe you anything after today's recipe session.

too real

 

[Natiko]

Wait, I always assumed Muffin could stop our NK anyway.

Spoiler: muffin role quotes

And the reverse effects:

Yup, I think it could stop our nk. If it is nen-related should I kill? Do we have a blocker out there? (Donna, maybe an x-shot from Aeleus? or Vere) Could they target me? Probably better to have Natiko do the kill?

Also sorry Blarg but no one is going to believe you anything after today's recipe session.

I’m ascetic. He can’t touch me with his role. I’m immune to all actions besides kills. I can be targeted with a switch, redirect, can’t be seen by a watcher or motion detector, nothing.

 

[Yuta]

If he checks me he’ll think he got roleblocked.

That would still raise suspicion but is much better. Yeah I think Zipped can live.

Multi-power JOAT? Zipped-style charging thing?

Would need to check nin-type list to see what fits.

Damn! Yes, Verelios could be a Conjurer with Power Gaining: Roles that can gain abilities when they fulfill conditions.

 

[Yuta]

I’m ascetic. He can’t touch me with his role. I’m immune to all actions besides kills. I can be targeted with a switch, redirect, can’t be seen by a watcher or motion detector, nothing.

Oh and Muffin can effect the NK because I’m doing it and I’m ascetic.

Missing a can'T?

 

[Natiko]

Missing a can'T?

Yes sorry, playing rock band and just responding quickly when I check lol

 

[Kyanrute]

If switch gets the play, it will be Blarg and Royal or Blarg and Vere switching in order to redirect the NK to Blarg. We can't touch those two. Three remain: Donna, Zipped and Muffin. Others have bombs or read and write rights to this chat. I need to reset my brain and think about this later from the beginning.

Damn! Yes, Verelios could be a Conjurer with Power Gaining: Roles that can gain abilities when they fulfill conditions.

That might just be what he is. Condition fulfilling fits well with that vote demand, he never has had a vote on him on day end before this.

 

[Natiko]

So back to thinking bomb Donna is probably a good choice. Zipped/Muffin is the tougher one to crack. Not great choices.

 

[Yuta]

Bomb Donna seems the logical think to do.

Monkey -|- Aeleus -|- Kyan -|- (?)
Vere -|- Flush -|- Donna

Natiko
Zipped
Gorlak
Muffin
Blarg

Looking at it this way, yeah bomb Donna, if she has a bp or anything we have to pop it sometime. If anything goes wrong with our kills/bombs it's going to be very, very hard. Low risk kill should be between Zipped or Muffin unfortunately, anything else would be a bigger gamble.

Or we try to bomb Flush? Worst case Blarg has a switch bomb? I.. can't think clearly at the moment, going to sleep over it.

 

[Blargonaut]

Congratulations Director Donna you are being looked after by your own guardian angel.

Or more accurately by me, The Board.

At the start of the game I am given a random town to look after. Donna is as town as Royal.

During the first 24 hours of each day phase I can send a command to Fran to give Donna one of many benefits (ie, lunchproof, day kill immune, night kill immune) seeing B-Dubs claiming a day vig shot and not trusting him with it, Donna is currently day kill immune, let that test my ability.

Being an extradimensional being death cannot stop me, rather than being allowed to go to spec I am instead able to use all of my abilities (I'm still dead though so can't post ect).

Also I'm an enhancer.

rereading and saw this, I completely missed it 1st-time around

Maybe a way to paint Ael as my scum!support if/when I finally die?

 

[Blargonaut]

oh silly me. We Kyaa~bombed Ael already, forgot.

nvm

 

[Yuta]

Monkey -|- Aeleus -|- Kyan
Vere -|- Flush -|- Donna

Natiko
Zipped
Gorlak
Muffin
Blarg

4v3, lunch Blarg - nk Flush
3v2, lunch Gor - nk Donna
2v1 with Vere, Nat, Zipped

That's the best we can hope for if the bomb misses one person.

I'm honestly unsure here, what if Zipped can still become celebrity or Vere. Kill Zipped instead of Muffin and open the path to an earlier mislunch there? How have we acted, is Muffin cleared when Blarg, Kya and Me flip?

 

[Blargonaut]

Do you think we're being too cautious? What if we just went straight for the figurative throat of Confirmed Town and KILL: Royal_Flush again, and BOMB: Verelios? As Confirmed Town they expect us to go at them and said as much, so in a way maybe that's what they'll least expect.

 

[Yuta]

Regarding the sticky vote, I think Blarg targeting himself is the only real good option. People will vote him, if they find out they can't unvote that might swing others away from him (towards Muffin if Muffin is still there)

Blarg you could try & go with a neutral claim, you just wanted to have fun yesterday etc.!
Vote prediction is your goal. If you correctly guess 3 times that random player votes random player, you win. When that guess is in action it can't be changed anymore see Salva - Stu. Sth. about 1 time unlunchable, self-vote protects but forfeits your chances bla bla

 

[Blargonaut]

Good idea, but 1 problem with STICKYing myself; if I decide to self-vote to Dayproof myself, it washes the STICKY effect off of me

When I vote against the person I STICKY'd, it removes the STICKY on them

 

[Blargonaut]

so I could be STICKY up to a point in the Day, then for example; I could self-vote right before the 24hr mark to protect myself from the votebomb. And/or if Dr. Monkey's ITA phase was triggered, I'd be vulnerable to getting shot until I self-vote, so I'd only be STICKY 'til then. And vulnerable

 

[Blargonaut]

risky

 

[Blargonaut]

Kyan bombing Donna seems like a risky Bomb; Ael can allegedly activate Donna's Dayproof any time within first 24hrs of a Day... if Dr. Monkey triggers her ITA Phase for Tomorrow D5, it's highly likely that Ael will turn on Donna's Dayproof ASAP, so it'd be an actual race from Day-start between Ael and Kyan on who can push their button first: Kyaa to blow up before Ael can shield Donna

 

[Blargonaut]

although... If Ael already triggered Donna's Dayproof to shield her from B-Dubs as they've stated... maybe it's already used up like a 1-shot from a list... so all Ael would have left to shield her with (according to their Role-claim) is either a NK-protect or an Unlunchable... which would make it safe for us to Kyanbomb donna...

 

[Blargonaut]

okay. big brain time.

GorPot; when you die, we as Mafia faction gain an extra Kill that we can use either Day or Night. It doesn't say it in your Role PM with regards to using the Day-version of it, but I'm assuming that ANYBODY in scum-team can post that Day-command "DIE: <player_name>" to do the Kill...

How about we Night-kill our Gorlak Tonight. NOBODY will expect that, right? So it'd be a safe target. And I will also STICKY: Muffin. So:

Day 5 start:

Royal_Flush
Dr. Monkey (Kyaa~bombed N2)
Aeleus (Kyaa~bombed N3)
empressdonna (IN PROGRESS: Kyaa~bombing N4)
Muffin (STICKY)
Verelios
Zippedpinhead

Natiko
Blargonaut
Kyanrute​

10 players left.
7 Town.
3 Mafia.​

But we've now unlocked the extra Factional Kill, usable during the Day.

This line is the hardest part of the plan: once Day starts, we just need to get either VERELIOS or ZIPPEDPINHEAD (just 1 of them) to vote against Muffin ASAP.

THEN, let's assume that Kyan's bombing of empressdonna Tonight is successful...

So, as soon as Muffin has 1 vote against him from any Town; KYANRUTE immediately uses our extra "DIE: <player_name>" Day-kill on: Royal_Flush.

THEN, immediately after Kyan kills Flush, Kyan triggers his BOOM :D, instantly killing himself but also Dr. Monkey, Aeleus & empressdonna. So:

Day 5:

Muffin (STICKY; either Vere's or Zipped's vote stuck on him from earlier)
Verelios
Zippedpinhead

Natiko
Blargonaut​

5 players left.
3 Town.
2 Mafia.
​

THEN, just right after Kyan blows up, Natiko & I both vote against Town!Muffin; majority, Muffin's voted out!

Win.

 

[Yuta]

GorPot; when you die, we as Mafia faction gain an extra Kill that we can use either Day or Night

Holy shit how could I forget??! Thank you Blarg!

But please don't kill me :o our situation much much better with the extra kill!!

 

[Yuta]

Regarding before: yeah sticky only works the first half of the day and without ITA, meh. Who else would you target?

I don't think Aeleus could day time protect every day

Safe option: Bomb Donna, Kill Zipped?
Riskier: Bomb Flush, Kill Donna.

 

[Blargonaut]

Holy shit how could I forget??! Thank you Blarg!

But please don't kill me :o our situation much much better with the extra kill!!

But sacrificing our own at the bloody altar for unholy Power though

I could also take credit for killing you and instantly Townify myself; I'd say it was a Power I earned from being lunched that I get an unstoppable Night-kill, or as soon as I get lunched a scum immediately and automatically blows up, or something

You're welcome

 

[Blargonaut]

Get voted out by the people and killed

But miraculously came back

Look I also killed one of those demons you were looking for and thought I was

But yes I'm a demon

Yes, back out of hell for you

 

[Natiko]

Monkey -|- Aeleus -|- Kyan
Vere -|- Flush -|- Donna

Natiko
Zipped
Gorlak
Muffin
Blarg

4v3, lunch Blarg - nk Flush
3v2, lunch Gor - nk Donna
2v1 with Vere, Nat, Zipped

That's the best we can hope for if the bomb misses one person.

I'm honestly unsure here, what if Zipped can still become celebrity or Vere. Kill Zipped instead of Muffin and open the path to an earlier mislunch there? How have we acted, is Muffin cleared when Blarg, Kya and Me flip?

That would still be a win since I’d just sinisterly day kill one of them instantly, wouldn’t even matter if they were both mod confirmed.

Do you think we're being too cautious? What if we just went straight for the figurative throat of Confirmed Town and KILL: Royal_Flush again, and BOMB: Verelios? As Confirmed Town they expect us to go at them and said as much, so in a way maybe that's what they'll least expect.

Really comes down to whether Flush goes for the switch or the bomb. The bomb in his mind should be a 100% shot on scum, but it’ll be 1:1 as he could be killed at night. The switch is the greedier play, but it could lead to no town dying. How ballsy is Flush feeling?

so I could be STICKY up to a point in the Day, then for example; I could self-vote right before the 24hr mark to protect myself from the votebomb. And/or if Dr. Monkey's ITA phase was triggered, I'd be vulnerable to getting shot until I self-vote, so I'd only be STICKY 'til then. And vulnerable

If the ITAs happen you self vote instantly. It will be too convenient that it happened on yet another ITA phase so you’ll definitely be voted out, but at least they have to burn the phase to do it.

although... If Ael already triggered Donna's Dayproof to shield her from B-Dubs as they've stated... maybe it's already used up like a 1-shot from a list... so all Ael would have left to shield her with (according to their Role-claim) is either a NK-protect or an Unlunchable... which would make it safe for us to Kyanbomb donna...

I’m assuming that ability already got used.

okay. big brain time.

GorPot; when you die, we as Mafia faction gain an extra Kill that we can use either Day or Night. It doesn't say it in your Role PM with regards to using the Day-version of it, but I'm assuming that ANYBODY in scum-team can post that Day-command "DIE: <player_name>" to do the Kill...

How about we Night-kill our Gorlak Tonight. NOBODY will expect that, right? So it'd be a safe target. And I will also STICKY: Muffin. So:

Day 5 start:

Royal_Flush
Dr. Monkey (Kyaa~bombed N2)
Aeleus (Kyaa~bombed N3)
empressdonna (IN PROGRESS: Kyaa~bombing N4)
Muffin (STICKY)
Verelios
Zippedpinhead

Natiko
Blargonaut
Kyanrute​

10 players left.
7 Town.
3 Mafia.​

But we've now unlocked the extra Factional Kill, usable during the Day.

This line is the hardest part of the plan: once Day starts, we just need to get either VERELIOS or ZIPPEDPINHEAD (just 1 of them) to vote against Muffin ASAP.

THEN, let's assume that Kyan's bombing of empressdonna Tonight is successful...

So, as soon as Muffin has 1 vote against him from any Town; KYANRUTE immediately uses our extra "DIE: <player_name>" Day-kill on: Royal_Flush.

THEN, immediately after Kyan kills Flush, Kyan triggers his BOOM :D, instantly killing himself but also Dr. Monkey, Aeleus & empressdonna. So:

Day 5:

Muffin (STICKY; either Vere's or Zipped's vote stuck on him from earlier)
Verelios
Zippedpinhead

Natiko
Blargonaut​

5 players left.
3 Town.
2 Mafia.
​

THEN, just right after Kyan blows up, Natiko & I both vote against Town!Muffin; majority, Muffin's voted out!

Win.

As hilarious as this would be it’s a bit too risky to gamble everything on a couple specific players voting Muffin after today’s events. It also takes away our Gor backup plan.

But sacrificing our own at the bloody altar for unholy Power though

I could also take credit for killing you and instantly Townify myself; I'd say it was a Power I earned from being lunched that I get an unstoppable Night-kill, or as soon as I get lunched a scum immediately and automatically blows up, or something

You're welcome

No way people will buy that. It’s probably too late to claim your role as town, you didn’t seed it as a ploy to out scum so it’s unlikely people will buy that after the fact. You can go for it of course, but we shouldn’t rely on it.

 

[Blargonaut]

As hilarious as this would be it’s a bit too risky to gamble everything on a couple specific players voting Muffin after today’s events. It also takes away our Gor backup plan.

 

[Blargonaut]

No way people will buy that. It’s probably too late to claim your role as town, you didn’t seed it as a ploy to out scum so it’s unlikely people will buy that after the fact. You can go for it of course, but we shouldn’t rely on it.

Understandable.

Although, I'd say I've shitposted enough, that I can pick out any of those GIFs and PNGs and twist them together as breadcrumbs into any Role-claim I want; I can lie and say those were my hints/seeds at being pro-Town anything.

Also, if my pro-Town plan was to unlock pro-Town Power, I think it would be wholly less believable afterwards if I while I was alive, I was hinting/winking all the time, "Strike me down and I'll be more pro-Town Powerful than you can imagine?"

A little stream-of-consciousness theorising about that for a moment:

Openly asking people to kill me and openly claiming it's for the greater Town good, "Why is Blarg begging us to kill him? And he's saying it will be pro-Town, he's saying that lunching him will DESTROY/SMOKE OUT scum for us? lol no. There has to be another reason for him wanting to die. This is clearly some kind of open strategic trap or Bomb, maybe as scum. Okay, he's been like this for Days now, begging us to kill him because it will be 'so Town'; either we Day-kill him or kill him some other way please? Will scum Night-kill a player who's actively asking to die for Town? We can't rely on that because he might be scum himself. What, we weren't able to kill him another way? Okay, I'm tired of this WIFOM, let's just give him what he wants... *lunches Blarg* Oh look yep, he's still alive. And now he's saying, 'Thanks. I'm VERY TOWN now, give me more time to use my newfound VERY TOWN Power just like I said I would to DESTROY/SMOKE OUT scum for us like I said.' A m a z i n g. Would Town!Blarg do this? This HAS to be scum!Blarg gambiting; he was 1-shot Lunchproof from the start, and he schemed that by publicly begging us to kill him that that would be instant Town points gained and now we're letting him sail to endgame on that? We made a mistake in giving him what he was asking for. We need to kill him again."

Acting like a total negative-utility shitposter and giving nothing except shitposts and a smug no-care attitude even in the face of death, "Blarg is markedly and consistently NOT helping to scumhunt, even outright saying he's not going to help us. What use is there in keeping such a useless shitheel around? We need to kill him so we can move on from this BS. Yeah, Blarg, okay, we get it; shitposting until the end whatever BYYEEEE *lunches Blarg* Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat, he's ALIVE?! But during the Day he was heading for a lunch, he did nothing to fight it except make even more jokes and provoke us further. He never openly claimed it was going to be pro-Town... did he leave breadcrumbs in his shitposts about why he's done this? Is this scum or Neutral baiting death the whole time to, what? Gain more Power? Fulfil a Neutral Win condition? Stall the game for scum for 1 more Day so they can make more chess moves as a team? Maybe he didn't tell us anything, maybe he didn't choose to tell us because he needed it to be a death-by-lunch specifically; he was still vulnerable to Night-kills, so he needed to act shitty to make scum not shoot at him? Blarg, pls tell us more, explain yourself..."

...so IMO, I think the timeline I chose, the 2nd one, I've set myself up for infinite Role-claim possibilities...

Which, ergo, can be used as an actually practical foundation for HIGH STAKES MASSACRE GAMBITING??

1. we NK scum!Gorlak, I claim the kill plus there was no scum Night-kill; SO much Townie points for me
2. In the face of Townified me since they see proof of my miracle in a dead scum and no apparent NK; all their scumhunting attention will shift elsewhere, hopefully straight to Muffin or Zipped but if not, we could gently steer that
3. the risk is in the time-period between Day-start and that single vote, in which I will be vulnerable to ITAs and the 24hr votebomb; I can't self-vote|Shield because I need that hand to help hammer Muffin
4. If there's no vote from Vere/Zipped against Muffin in 24hrs, I'll have no choice but to self-vote|Shield, survive the votebomb and claim my reasoning for self-voting was a sarcastic "If you people aren't going to trust me by now, fucking come on just kill me again pls"; They won't know it's actually my Shielding.
5. BUT, AS SOON AS either Verelios or Zipped specifically votes Muffin, WE STRIKE AS ONE (as outlined earlier above in The Plan) and win

BLOOD CANYON​

 

[Blargonaut]

THE MOST INFAMOUS LANDMARK ON GREED ISLAND NOW A MAJOR FAMILY-FRIENDLY TOURIST ATTRACTION​

 

[Blargonaut]

 

[Blargonaut]

"Blarg you're a hero why did we ever doubt you!"

"Thanks, now follow me into VICTORY"

"OK!... What is this place?... smells in here... uhh, Kyan? Is that you?"

"hi"

"KYAN!?"

"WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?"

"NOOOOOO"

"MUFFIN RUN!... MUFFIN?!" *grabs Muffin's shoulder*

*hand comes off covered in STICKY*

"...Muffin?"

"Muffin left that body long ago, friend."

"What...? Nat?!"

"No. It is I, MONTIKO!"

BLOOD CANYON​

 

[Kyanrute]

ok imma read the thread some big brain posts here i see good good less work for me hopefully

How about we Night-kill our Gorlak Tonight.

yeah i am out seeya

 

[Kyanrute]

I totally forgot that Gorlak's kill can be used during day.

 

[Kyanrute]

I prefer the boring option of killing Zipped and bombing Donna.

If Monkey opts to ITA, I shoot my shot and BOOM :D in the same post on the 1st minute.

 

[Natiko]

I love Blarg's enthusiasm. It makes me want to give in to his plan, if for no other reason than just seeing what happens. I fear how fast it falls apart if town do an unexpected switch or investigate that blows the whole thing up, but what if it worked. Think of the clout.

 

[Blargonaut]

I'd defer to the majority consensus about Tonight's plan, of course

In the end it's... just a suggestion