Jailor Thread Thresh's Zone

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Franconp

Frank
Welcome to the Thresh's Zone.

Here you will have a chat with Thresh.

All the same rules apply here so posting PMs is not allowed.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Aw boo, I thought he invited me to another chat like last game. I would've laughed. :p

So uh...nice place you got here.
 
You'll be staying here forever so get used to it. I'll be adding more people here every night, I can kill 2 of you total.
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
You'll be staying here forever so get used to it. I'll be adding more people here every night, I can kill 2 of you total.
I assume you would definitely kill whoever tells on you in the thread, huh. Well this is a shit situation.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Hi Muffin. tbh i'm kinda shocked it isn't you
Claims, now.
Ah, so a Jailer take on this.

My nen type is Transmuter, I had to make either a Communicative or an Informative role.

I know for a fact Royal Flush is Town.

I have more but I'd much rather keep it for me since I don't know if you're Town or not. Same goes for Muffin and anyone else you could bring in here later on.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Y'know this isn't going like I thought with you being all 'this isn't my real account' thing. I was expecting more mystery and hints, not so much just fully saying stuff.
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
I had to draft a list of the specific effects depending on Nen type for that role btw. Not sure if want to share it yet (and if I did, you'll have to wait till tomorrow, I'm gonna go sleep soon).
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Muffin I'm not gonna lie that role seems scummy as fuck. With town being the majority you're way more likely to fuck over a Doc or a Cop than actually stopping scum.
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
Muffin I'm not gonna lie that role seems scummy as fuck. With town being the majority you're way more likely to fuck over a Doc or a Cop than actually stopping scum.
On the other hand that might just be why Fran allowed such a role being used every night, since it's not that strong on towns part and can cause both harm and good things.
 
Let's keep this chat between the 3 of us for now aight? I didn't wanna make an Illuminati style situation with modkills even though I could.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
On the other hand that might just be why Fran allowed such a role being used every night, since it's not that strong on towns part and can cause both harm and good things.
Yeah that doesn't make me feel any better about it.
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
And it seems like a bad scum strategy to pick a role that works randomly. Well, not that I can prove it, but if my targets are left to RNG, it might become obvious at some point that I'm not deliberately choosing my targets.
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
Let's keep this chat between the 3 of us for now aight? I didn't wanna make an Illuminati style situation with modkills even though I could.
I'm fine with that for now, I don't distrust you two massively at this point. Subject to change etc. etc.
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
Yeah that doesn't make me feel any better about it.
Hey, I said it in the game thread on D1: This game I'm all about min-maxing the fun we have. This role seemed pretty fun.

And might I say, a little more creative than the flips so far :P Though Geno came up with something pretty good, too.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Let's keep this chat between the 3 of us for now aight? I didn't wanna make an Illuminati style situation with modkills even though I could.
Shrug, I'm fine with it. These kinda things are fun anyway.

Just keep that Royal info alive, yeah? I'm glad I just had somewhere to put it.
And it seems like a bad scum strategy to pick a role that works randomly. Well, not that I can prove it, but if my targets are left to RNG, it might become obvious at some point that I'm not deliberately choosing my targets.
Meh, fair point on the random if somebody can prove it. Still, I don't get the rationale of picking that for your role if your goal is to help town.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Hey, I said it in the game thread on D1: This game I'm all about min-maxing the fun we have. This role seemed pretty fun.

And might I say, a little more creative than the flips so far :P Though Geno came up with something pretty good, too.
man just kicking sorian and turm while they're down, huh?
 
I've asked Fran about every type of role and from what I was told communicative roles are ones like mine minus the killing and informative ones are like messengers, idk how you'd know Royal is for sure town. However maybe there's a loophole that I'm not thinking of right now, I also have another part of the role I haven't shared yet that can potentially help town a ton. You'll know what it is soon enough. Muffin's role is ok I guess, although the thing is that you can literally fakeclaim anything you want. It's fine, the kill is an extra when it comes to this chat, I mostly made it to discuss at night with other people I felt good about, you 2 look town to me. You can suggest additions as well if you want.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
I've asked Fran about every type of role and from what I was told communicative roles are ones like mine minus the killing and informative ones are like messengers, idk how you'd know Royal is for sure town. However maybe there's a loophole that I'm not thinking of right now, I also have another part of the role I haven't shared yet that can potentially help town a ton. You'll know what it is soon enough. Muffin's role is ok I guess, although the thing is that you can literally fakeclaim anything you want. It's fine, the kill is an extra when it comes to this chat, I mostly made it to discuss at night with other people I felt good about, you 2 look town to me. You can suggest additions as well if you want.
Remember when I said early on I was shocked my role got accepted with no changes? Yeah. Especially after seeing Turm and Sorian's I'm really really surprised I was able to get away with this. I even added a potential variant to the Confirmed Town info where I would not directly get it but he went with the original one so I won't complain.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
For people to suggest I guess that would depend on if you want to kill em or make a little townie ring in here as those are two different sets of people
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
It's kinda funny that we three are in the same chat after last game where I pulled you two into 1on1s with me.
 
For people to suggest I guess that would depend on if you want to kill em or make a little townie ring in here as those are two different sets of people
I'd rather have a town ring, based on the second part of my role it's more useful.
It's kinda funny that we three are in the same chat after last game where I pulled you two into 1on1s with me.
Yeah lmao.
 
I agree that turm's and sorian's role seemed kinda weak, but I guess if you don't get multipower or the free one then there's only so op you can get.
 
Anyway I still think the situation around Stu is very fishy, either very cocky play or just scum claiming the kill to reverse psychology us. On Kalor I do need to read the last pages but from the start he did seem scummy, then again I do have trouble reading Kalor.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Hm, if we're going for town circle and I think i get what you're saying I would consider folks who are likely to live for a bit and are generally 'they seem town but MAYBE not'. This would be monkey and Nat. I'd have to go over the list again for others but those two were my first thought.

I agree that turm's and sorian's role seemed kinda weak, but I guess if you don't get multipower or the free one then there's only so op you can get.
My role begs to differ :p
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Anyway I still think the situation around Stu is very fishy, either very cocky play or just scum claiming the kill to reverse psychology us. On Kalor I do need to read the last pages but from the start he did seem scummy, then again I do have trouble reading Kalor.
I'm still of the mind it was a cocky play as I still fail to see the Scum benefit from it. I know Salva was pitching the idea it was a Scum plot to save a Scum!Turm but that clearly didn't happen and I fail to see any other reason why a scum player would make that call. Stu could've easily sailed on through with that hidden day kill and none of us would've known.

I'm still on board with killing Kalor as nothing he has done has changed my mind. Though I will say I didn't like Zipped's actions close to the end of the Day and his reasoning for trying to scumread me made no sense.

A and Donna sitting back don't leave me feeling good either. They seemed pretty ok to let stuff play out there at the end and Donna's 'worried' posts felt a bit too forced, almost like an act. I do believe A said they were busy though so it may just been real life constraints. :/

Gonna chill for now and look over the votes later today though.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Maybe I misread your hint, then. I honestly keep flipflopping on monkey but I do that with her every game so I don't really know.

Nat just gives me weird vibes this game but it's nothing concrete. The fact that he followed through on his Kalor vote despite dancing it for most of the Phase makes me feel a lot better about him though.
 
I'm still of the mind it was a cocky play as I still fail to see the Scum benefit from it. I know Salva was pitching the idea it was a Scum plot to save a Scum!Turm but that clearly didn't happen and I fail to see any other reason why a scum player would make that call. Stu could've easily sailed on through with that hidden day kill and none of us would've known.

I'm still on board with killing Kalor as nothing he has done has changed my mind. Though I will say I didn't like Zipped's actions close to the end of the Day and his reasoning for trying to scumread me made no sense.

A and Donna sitting back don't leave me feeling good either. They seemed pretty ok to let stuff play out there at the end and Donna's 'worried' posts felt a bit too forced, almost like an act. I do believe A said they were busy though so it may just been real life constraints. :/

Gonna chill for now and look over the votes later today though.
Zipped huh, hmm, need to reread that when I can. I can agree on Donna though, scum benefits because town Sorian gets dangerous later on plus he brings activity like someone said. I read Salva as newbie town although idk how many games he's played. The thing is though, if we weigh Stu claiming the kill vs not claiming. Stu was already a hot topic today and could've easily gotten lynched, we can agree on that. Stu claiming the day kill gives him town points and let's him chill for a bit, plus with a claimed BP on top that makes him survive endlessly. Gut says scum that got killing role and is bullshitting everyone to survive as long as possible. Like I'm not Stu but multipower is powerful and he made a 1 shot vig with a BP and sth else that will probably pull out of his ass? Idk
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
I also feel good about Nat so far, would be fine with him as the next addition.

I just dont see scumStu doing that kill and claim it. Neutral, at most, and that would be pretty risky for himself.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
Which is why I think Stu kept saying he had more up his sleeve. He made his shot and now he's trying to bait a kill on him. Like I told monkey in the thread, Strongmen still exist so it's not like he can't die over night. I agree it enters WIFOM territory but it's early enough that I'm not too concerned? If he's alive on Day 3 then I get worried.

Salva is actually a good point. He used to play with us on GAF years ago and was fairly active but he's been gone for a really long time. Still think the early read of him being Town is pretty alright. His devolution into conspiracy theory madness towards the end here doesn't help him but it reads so earnest that I can't help but think it's from the heart and not scummy.
 

Sawneeks

Queen Doppelpopolis
The votes with the biggest ???? raised;
Donna; Voted for Kyan long before Day End and simply sat on it despite very clearly being around at the end. I said earlier that her 'I don't know what to do' sounded forced and it reinforces the idea that she was scum parked her vote, but didn't want to move too much at the end because another scum player was on the ropes. She didn't know whether or not to bus.
Aeleus; Doesn't like turm's reads list initially and then switches to 'who cares if he is scum or town, he clearly wants to be lunched and we should believe him' as a stance. I said so in the thread but they also egged monkey on to voting Stu despite not voting their themself. Felt like a scum adding gas to a fire just to watch it burn.
Kyaa; No clue why he voted turm. Just says that Stu is insane and that's it.
Zipped; Jumped off Kalor and on to Turm after Stu pointed out that Turm voted for his read list as town. No indication as to why that was damning.\
Dubs; Apparently Turm's sudden move to Blarg was 'odd' and meant a vote. Disappears right after
Vere; Probably one of the most damning, personally. Votes for Stu well over 24 hours left until Day End and despite wavering on Stu towards the end he just sticks on it. Thinks Turm is fine but Kalor is a shit lunch but sure asks a ton of people about Turm before Day End and doesn't really engage in any of the 'Scum!Stu would do this for brownie points' talk despite sticking with the vote. Also wouldn't go Kalor because myself, Royal, and Muffin are on it and he thinks 1 of us is scum. No idea why.
Kalor; Votes for Turm after Turm says to 'vote for Sorian'. Though...hrm...he is the most consistent out of everyone. Saw turm's reads as something he would do as scum, thinks the Turm discussion on being a bomb was meant to dissuade people from lunching turm, and never seems to really suspect Stu. Though that 'bomb talk to dissuade the vote' is dropped and he never really investigates it.
Malus; Also a hard ignore on Kalor for the entire phase but especially that last bit. Considers Turm but lands on a Stu vote he only later justifies by saying that the shot was 'unnecessary and he should have shot Turm who he was scum reading anyway'. Lazy, bad vote that ignores the other choice.

I wanna say monkey was all other the place too but I don't feel like reading over all that. Nat's hesitation to vote might say something too but we'd need hard evidence of Kalor/Zipped/Stu first.
 
I think of those the ones that come out worst looking are Donna, Aeleus and Verelios. Maybe Kya too but we'll see if he can come up with an explanation. Hmmm, muffin any thoughts?
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
I'm a bit busy for another 4 hours, but one thing:

What was that last post from Kalor about? I dont remember him talking about Nat before at all. I dont think townKalor would throw out a line like that before potentially dying, when he hasnt done some work on Nat before.

Looks more like scumKalor wanted to make people make a connection between the both of them and speculate about it if he died and flipped scum.
 

Muffin

is being held hostage by Sammi
I would definitely look at whether Kalor is gonna do some work on Nat on D2 without being prompted. I'm not gonna mention it to him at the start.
 
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