Jailor Thread Thresh's Zone #3

Franconp

Frank
Welcome to the Thresh Zone.

Here you will chat with Thresh.

All the same rules as in the main game applies here so posting your PM is forbidden.
 
God damn you Occam!

I spent half of D2 convinced that Monkey and Natiko made this whole shit up because I couldn't belive there were two ITA roles AND two "steal-from-the-dead"-roles.

Anyway, I'm the one who makes the PMs vanish.

Welcome to Thresh's hotel where apparently everybody gets a room.
 
Anyway, I'll read through the other two chats real quick. Make yourself comfortable and tell me who you think I am. I want to know how obvious it is, because I was sure everybody would know after D2, but apparently not...
 

Verelios

Were-elios
So, happy happy fun times now that we got Dubs. Assuming Kyan has been linked as town someone else must also be kind of confirmed. If they're not in the 'town core' then that's good for POE tomorrow.
 
Vere, if you're a godfather, just kill me tonight so I don't have to live with the shame.

Kyan, oddly you managed to be my top town reads wise if we exclude Monkey and Natiko.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Process of elimination does give Zipped as a possibility too, yes. And now you are hinting at that with the read that iirc went unanswered.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Vere, if you're a godfather, just kill me tonight so I don't have to live with the shame.

Kyan, oddly you managed to be my top town reads wise if we exclude Monkey and Natiko.
Godfather is a boring as fuck PR. I would feel personally insulted if someone thought I'd roll with one.
 
So, let me get this straight: Just from what is in the thread you don't immediately know who I am? That's good for starters. I would come forward with my identity to freely talk about what I did and why, unless you have any objections for security concerns.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
So, let me get this straight: Just from what is in the thread you don't immediately know who I am? That's good for starters. I would come forward with my identity to freely talk about what I did and why, unless you have any objections for security concerns.
I don't have any, and Kyan seems pretty trustworthy after Saw's flip.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Thresh, you are my biggest security concern here. You seem to have a play in mind here, shall we go through it? I am 99% fine with Vere, no issues there.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Was it Natiko or Monkey who said in the main thread that Dubs felt like he did not know fully how to carry out the chat play? It really reads like that.
 
Kyan also already asked for my name, so here we go:

I'm indeed Flush. I yank PRs from dead players and use them the same night. Then they're gone.

I chose Sorian N1 and targeted Kalor and Monkey. Kalor because he was a Unknown/slight Scum read, Monkey because I know she can pocket me any day of the week. I got the result that they're different alignment. That's why I insisted Monkey shoots Kalor, so Natiko can shoot Monkey if it turns out Kalor is Town. Unfortunately we had worst-case-scenario and Kalor was Neutral, so I didn't know anything about Monkey's alignment.

N2 I debated for quite some time if I should take Geno or Stu. I went with Geno because of the time-lag of the chat (It's day-activated so I only get the effective ability one night later, not immediately). I know my days are limited as confirmed Town and I honestly expected everybody to figure it out after I had to virtually shove Monkey's shot into Kalor's face. If they kill me it didn't matter. If they mess with me in some way, a redirected Chat-invite is much better than a redirected Cop-Shot. And so here we are...
 
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I didn't even think of it until this day phase, but I could of course also take Kalor's ability to become a vig. If that's better than stu's investigation highly depends on if we think that I get killed tonight. Because the bomb should get through regardless.
 
Thresh, you are my biggest security concern here. You seem to have a play in mind here, shall we go through it? I am 99% fine with Vere, no issues there.
My play honestly was to discover that there was no N2 chat between Natiko, Monkey and B-Dubs and become the greatest player in Mafia history for exposing incredibly well deepwolfing w/w pair Natiko/Monkey, but that didn't work out :P

So now I basically just want to discuss your results (I know from Saw's flip that you're potentially moving, Kyan) and figure out if I should investigate malus or bomb Zipped...
 
It's 23:20 here, I'll go to bed at some point, so I'd appreciate it if we could get something done within the next hour. Or else we have to do it tomorrow until 2h before day start (That's when Dubs' chat was closed)
 

Verelios

Were-elios
My play honestly was to discover that there was no N2 chat between Natiko, Monkey and B-Dubs and become the greatest player in Mafia history for exposing incredibly well deepwolfing w/w pair Natiko/Monkey, but that didn't work out :P

So now I basically just want to discuss your results (I know from Saw's flip that you're potentially moving, Kyan) and figure out if I should investigate malus or bomb Zipped...
Galaxy brain solution, I'd check up on Aeleus and Donna so they're either a lock or a gotcha.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
My play honestly was to discover that there was no N2 chat between Natiko, Monkey and B-Dubs and become the greatest player in Mafia history for exposing incredibly well deepwolfing w/w pair Natiko/Monkey, but that didn't work out :P

So now I basically just want to discuss your results (I know from Saw's flip that you're potentially moving, Kyan) and figure out if I should investigate malus or bomb Zipped...
H...hmmm, yeaaaah, I think Kyan would have shared if he thought anything was important. The fact that he hasn't seems good.
 
Galaxy brain solution, I'd check up on Aeleus and Donna so they're either a lock or a gotcha.
Those two are another headache I have... I don't even know what it would mean if one of them flipped Scum or if I had a green check on one of them...
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
I've been reading the main thread to verify this.

You say I made to your top town reads, I don't think Royal mentioned this directly in the thread.
You stole a one cop shot but did not pick a second one. You commit the same crime Dubs did.
You were afraid of you dying so you did not steal Stu (can't report if you are dead) but you were fine with taking a chat that would not activate until a cycle later.
You wished for us to guess your identity instead of revealing it outright.
You expect me to give you results when I targeted myself.
 
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I don't think so? I'm saying that even if Kyan moved according to Saw he wouldv'e said something if he had important info.
Right, but he could share unimportant info in case it helps us chew through a potential fakeclaim later on...
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Just as an aside for something I found hilarious, both Thresh 1 and Thresh 2 died before being able to get back into chat. That must have sucked.
 
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Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Thresh, you mention you want to either investigate malus or bomb Zipped. In his PIK on #2962 Royal wanted to investigate Gorlak and kill Blarg.
 
I've been reading the main thread to verify this.

1. You say I made to your top town reads, I don't think Royal mentioned this directly in the thread.
2. You stole a one cop shot but did not pick a second one. You commit the same crime Dubs did.
3. You were afraid of you dying so you did not steal Stu (can't report if you are dead) but you were fine with taking a chat that would not activate until a cycle later.
4. You wished for us to guess your identity instead of revealing it outright.
5. You expect me to give you results when I targeted myself.
1. Correct, I didn't. There wasn't really a need to because you weren't anywhere near to being lynched. I said at some point however that I feel better about you tickled my alarms D1.
2. There is two factors here: a) There wasn't anything else to steal N1 but the cop and a switcher and b) I already got into why I chose geno before stu.
3. If I die it does not matter. If I don't die I always get the chat because I'm not getting lynched (except a potential Scum day kill, but come on). Also, see 2.
4. Blind tests are always better than biased tests. It's why you don't ask victims "Is this the man that hurt you" but "identify the man that hurt you out of these 5 persons"
5. What do I know what role you have. Could be a watcher or whatever.
 
One more thing, when did you pick the targets for this chat, N2 or D3?
I stole the role N2 but picked you two D3.

Thresh, you mention you want to either investigate malus or bomb Zipped. In his PIK on #2962 Royal wanted to investigate Gorlak and kill Blarg.
And I voted for Zipped. Blarg and Zipped both need to go at some point I think. Malus and Gorlak both are fine investigation targets. Malus mainly because I still don't really see him as Scum but I'm neither confident enough in that read nor do I have the proper arguments to go against virtually all of Town on this. Green check would be helpful. Salva was one of my last "pretty null".

Just as an aside for something I found hilarious, both Thresh 1 and Thresh 2 died before being able to get back into chat. That must have sucked.
Don't jinx it.
 
I mean, sure, if you don't have anything important to share, go ahead (or rather: don't).

If you need some post-hoc verification, I could post some phrase into the main thread tomorrow.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
I stole the role N2 but picked you two D3.


And I voted for Zipped. Blarg and Zipped both need to go at some point I think. Malus and Gorlak both are fine investigation targets. Malus mainly because I still don't really see him as Scum but I'm neither confident enough in that read nor do I have the proper arguments to go against virtually all of Town on this. Green check would be helpful. Salva was one of my last "pretty null".


Don't jinx it.
Both you and Dubs could steal the same role at the same time?
 
You can't surely say that the vote on Zipped was anything but covering the extremely unlikely case that someone is foolish enough to join an alternative train.
Dude, I said several times that I don't see a Scum Dubs that can get a Vig and not use it immediately after Day start.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
I did not see the vote as a serious one, it came in response to Monkey and she certainly was doing it to just see if anyone would bite. I also thought Dubs was the role eraser, you did not cross my mind so your lamentations were just extreme speculation to me.
 
Anyway, does it make any difference for you right now, for the remainde rof this chat, if I'm Flush, malus or Natiko? Because as I said, as soon as the day starts, I can prove it via public post.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
Anyway, does it make any difference for you right now, for the remainde rof this chat, if I'm Flush, malus or Natiko? Because as I said, as soon as the day starts, I can prove it via public post.
To me personally? No, not really. Full disclosure, I'm not likely to die tonight, so this has just been a thought exercise until tomorrow.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
That's like the weirdest argument possible. I'd trust you if I knew you to be Royal. I wouldn't trust malus and if you were Natiko somehow, whow, that would a heck of a lot of powers in one person.
 
Let's assume I use the Investigation tonight: If I go into the Donna/A-situation, as Vere suggested, which of the two would you suggest? And what does it mean if the check comes back green (Ignoring muffin's claimed power)?
 
That's like the weirdest argument possible. I'd trust you if I knew you to be Royal. I wouldn't trust malus and if you were Natiko somehow, whow, that would a heck of a lot of powers in one person.
Natiko was short for "or whoever else there is around"... Honestly, I just don't feel like wasting a lot more time on trying to prove to you that I am who I am. Believe me and help me figure things out or don't beliee and stil help me figre shit out without revealing your PR...
 

Verelios

Were-elios
What are you referring to? If you investigate Donna/Aeleus and they come back not the same alignment then it's pretty obvious A lied.
 
btw, any spent shots carry over, so if somebody has no shots left, I also cant shoot with the stolen role.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Check A. Green on A clears the duo. Same on Donna leaves open the paranoid theories about A being unlyncher or scum pulling a cute play with their role.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Natiko was short for "or whoever else there is around"... Honestly, I just don't feel like wasting a lot more time on trying to prove to you that I am who I am. Believe me and help me figure things out or don't beliee and stil help me figre shit out without revealing your PR...
You are correct, belief on my part is not a requirement for cooperation. Of course I shall help.
 
I could also Bomb somebody, but I don't think that's a better idea than investigating somebody, is is?

Unless I am to be killed tonight. Scum killed Geno N1 and Sneeks N2. For me that seems like they are going for potentially dangerous targets more than universally town-read targets which could be to my benefit.
 
Since this chat will be locked before I can post the result of a potential investigation: I guess it should be pretty easy for you to pick up if I had a red or a green check based if you look for it in my posts. So no need for some super secret code, is it? We could do. Something like "mentioning the word 'absent' when talking about dubs means red-check, mentioning 'busy' green check". Or "orchid/cactus" if we want to go full James Bond :D

It is 2AM here. Sleep. Thinking after sleep.
Yeah, me too (Although only 1am). See you in a couple of hours.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
The game state says that I'd worried of bullets if I was Natiko. Too town read, has claimed so he is a known quantity for the NK and he can't be useful to scum anymore since his ability is used. Scum tried to use him and Monkey and it failed, a failed play like this quite often results in scum eating the losses and killing the non-fooled in retaliation because of their increased town karma. If Monkey dies, I'd see hints of desperation in that. Not using the ITA is a bargaining chip of hers - she can likely deliver a kill with it odds-wise so min-maxing says that she should live until she uses it. I don't expect to see this tonight but it would not be fully outrageous either, a scared scum tea
m could in reverse fear the ITA as well.

You two are numbers two and three on the list I think, sans Monkey since her position on the list can vary. Royal has a bit more credible town check on him than Vere, 100% against 99%, so I'd put Royal as the more likely one to get a meeting with a bullet. Donna can die as well if scum think / gamble on that the knockback from her death will kill A as well. A claimed to have NK immunity up their sleeve so there would be a debate here about if A actually used their day kill immunity on Donna or not.

Protectives attach themselves to their super town of choice, I could see all of Natiko, Royal, Vere and Monkey being considerations for folks. Could be a night for a strong kill if there is one.

There was something else to consider- ah not blanking on it any more. Majority considerations, is there a pressing need to kill people with confirms on them? Yes. If scum don't have more than the NK for kills - here I too don't understand why Dubs did not shoot the Stu shot - and Monkey doesn't pull a town massacre with her ITA, some of the people I'd consider confirmed or trustworthy town will make it to the endgame if there ever is one.

You are under some threat Royal. I'd suggest the play of checking a lynch candidate, someone from the pool of Blarg / malus / Muffin / Zipped, maybe Gorlak or even me if we are thinking long term. Narrow the pool for both sides - we can focus on less targets on green or to a target on red, scum lose a mislynch on green and die on red. Whether you want to use the cop or the bomb for this is up to you. If not for the possible threat on you, I'd always pick cop here in your position. Securing information with the bomb has some merit, I think we can afford a misfire on a townie on that list but that will no doubt help scum closer to a majority and, well, why help them.

I'll be gone for a bit, should be back well before action lock.
 
Yeah, I'll probably opt for the cop.

Zipped would certainly be an option. So would malus, although I feel like at this stage I would have to explicitly spell out a green check to save him, which I'd rather avoid. Blarg I could check but I'm scared of a green-checked Blarg in endgame. Too irrational. He would be a pretty decent bomb target, though. Plays into his sense for drama.

After my Natiko/Monkey theory got razor'd I'm more willing to trust A and donna for now because the same razor says that that's actually A's role...
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Zipped might be a PR that caught Dubs doing something evil. He comes out of the blue with guns blazing, even before Natiko said the thing about chat #2. Alternatively that was a desperate bus. Something changed between D2 and D3 for Zipped. I meta read his Dubs push as town - he has done this before in a similar manner and I am wondering if the details behind the scenes match as well. If he has no evidence though, that is a bus. It should be possible to get the details tomorrow by talking to him, if they exist. Thus, I'd personally consider Zipped a possible waste of a check.

I'd check Blarg or malus myself. I wish I could check Muffin so I can just not look there but he is not as imminent of an issue as malus and Blarg are.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Royal, to prove that this was you, I want you to post 10 digits of pi in your 1st post when the day starts. If you fear a pi vigilante is out there to get you, feel free to choose some other well known mathematical constant instead.
 
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For the target: I could go with malus, I guess. Will be some work to convince the people of his Towniness if it comes back green and I don't claim, but hey, we can probably do this...

@Verelios What do you think?
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
How about I just write "Anyway, I'll finish making that coleslaw now, will be back soon"? That way not everybody knows immediately that something is up...
I see you know how to dodge the mathematical constant vigilante, good. That works I guess.
 

Kyanrute

kyan-rute
Scum is not a number.

In it I see the class struggle in action - the elite, confirmed by the actions of others, get to do whatever they please while the common townspeople like myself must keep on posting in hopes that the privileged shun us not with their gaze.

I don't think it means anything - call it 1.x.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
For the target: I could go with malus, I guess. Will be some work to convince the people of his Towniness if it comes back green and I don't claim, but hey, we can probably do this...

@Verelios What do you think?
Hm...that, I guess it's okay. It'll be very fucking hard to tilt after Dubs flipped scum though.

Are you set on Malus?
 
Hm...that, I guess it's okay. It'll be very fucking hard to tilt after Dubs flipped scum though.

Are you set on Malus?
I don't really want to do Blarg, I'd rather bomb him next phase.

Other than that I'm open to suggestions. As mentioned above, I would have taken Zipped, but kyan thinks that's a waste.
 

Verelios

Were-elios
I don't really want to do Blarg, I'd rather bomb him next phase.

Other than that I'm open to suggestions. As mentioned above, I would have taken Zipped, but kyan thinks that's a waste.
Yeah, if Kyan thinks Zipped would be easy to suss out today then it's a waste...okay, do Malus then. When can you confirm his alignment in thread? I don't want to be matrix dodging attacks on him for a day.
 
Yeah, if Kyan thinks Zipped would be easy to suss out today then it's a waste...okay, do Malus then. When can you confirm his alignment in thread? I don't want to be matrix dodging attacks on him for a day.
I should get the result before Day start. I'll try to hint at the result within the first few posts.
 
Good. Don't forget to save these threads in case you need to cross reference something with Monkey later on.