Jailor Thread Thresh's Zone #3
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God damn you Occam!
I spent half of D2 convinced that Monkey and Natiko made this whole shit up because I couldn't belive there were two ITA roles AND two "steal-from-the-dead"-roles.
Anyway, I'm the one who makes the PMs vanish.
Welcome to Thresh's hotel where apparently everybody gets a room.
I spent half of D2 convinced that Monkey and Natiko made this whole shit up because I couldn't belive there were two ITA roles AND two "steal-from-the-dead"-roles.
Anyway, I'm the one who makes the PMs vanish.
Welcome to Thresh's hotel where apparently everybody gets a room.
Correct.
Well, I'm very sure they aren't w/w. They wouldn't do the whole quarantine banter if they were.
Verelios
Were-elios
Godfather is a boring as fuck PR. I would feel personally insulted if someone thought I'd roll with one.
Verelios
Were-elios
Lol, I can imagine them shooting the shit for 5 pages while dubs is just like "what the fuck?"
You should have access to the threads too.
Verelios
Were-elios
Thread is about what I expected. Lol at Monkey trying to do a long game on dubs so he doesn't shoot her.
Verelios
Were-elios
I don't have any, and Kyan seems pretty trustworthy after Saw's flip.
Kyan also already asked for my name, so here we go:
I'm indeed Flush. I yank PRs from dead players and use them the same night. Then they're gone.
I chose Sorian N1 and targeted Kalor and Monkey. Kalor because he was a Unknown/slight Scum read, Monkey because I know she can pocket me any day of the week. I got the result that they're different alignment. That's why I insisted Monkey shoots Kalor, so Natiko can shoot Monkey if it turns out Kalor is Town. Unfortunately we had worst-case-scenario and Kalor was Neutral, so I didn't know anything about Monkey's alignment.
N2 I debated for quite some time if I should take Geno or Stu. I went with Geno because of the time-lag of the chat (It's day-activated so I only get the effective ability one night later, not immediately). I know my days are limited as confirmed Town and I honestly expected everybody to figure it out after I had to virtually shove Monkey's shot into Kalor's face. If they kill me it didn't matter. If they mess with me in some way, a redirected Chat-invite is much better than a redirected Cop-Shot. And so here we are...
I'm indeed Flush. I yank PRs from dead players and use them the same night. Then they're gone.
I chose Sorian N1 and targeted Kalor and Monkey. Kalor because he was a Unknown/slight Scum read, Monkey because I know she can pocket me any day of the week. I got the result that they're different alignment. That's why I insisted Monkey shoots Kalor, so Natiko can shoot Monkey if it turns out Kalor is Town. Unfortunately we had worst-case-scenario and Kalor was Neutral, so I didn't know anything about Monkey's alignment.
N2 I debated for quite some time if I should take Geno or Stu. I went with Geno because of the time-lag of the chat (It's day-activated so I only get the effective ability one night later, not immediately). I know my days are limited as confirmed Town and I honestly expected everybody to figure it out after I had to virtually shove Monkey's shot into Kalor's face. If they kill me it didn't matter. If they mess with me in some way, a redirected Chat-invite is much better than a redirected Cop-Shot. And so here we are...
My play honestly was to discover that there was no N2 chat between Natiko, Monkey and B-Dubs and become the greatest player in Mafia history for exposing incredibly well deepwolfing w/w pair Natiko/Monkey, but that didn't work out :P
So now I basically just want to discuss your results (I know from Saw's flip that you're potentially moving, Kyan) and figure out if I should investigate malus or bomb Zipped...
Verelios
Were-elios
Galaxy brain solution, I'd check up on Aeleus and Donna so they're either a lock or a gotcha.
Verelios
Were-elios
H...hmmm, yeaaaah, I think Kyan would have shared if he thought anything was important. The fact that he hasn't seems good.
Did you quote the wrong post? I don't get your thought here
Verelios
Were-elios
I don't think so? I'm saying that even if Kyan moved according to Saw he wouldv'e said something if he had important info.
Those two are another headache I have... I don't even know what it would mean if one of them flipped Scum or if I had a green check on one of them...
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
I've been reading the main thread to verify this.
You say I made to your top town reads, I don't think Royal mentioned this directly in the thread.
You stole a one cop shot but did not pick a second one. You commit the same crime Dubs did.
You were afraid of you dying so you did not steal Stu (can't report if you are dead) but you were fine with taking a chat that would not activate until a cycle later.
You wished for us to guess your identity instead of revealing it outright.
You expect me to give you results when I targeted myself.
You say I made to your top town reads, I don't think Royal mentioned this directly in the thread.
You stole a one cop shot but did not pick a second one. You commit the same crime Dubs did.
You were afraid of you dying so you did not steal Stu (can't report if you are dead) but you were fine with taking a chat that would not activate until a cycle later.
You wished for us to guess your identity instead of revealing it outright.
You expect me to give you results when I targeted myself.
Right, but he could share unimportant info in case it helps us chew through a potential fakeclaim later on...
Verelios
Were-elios
I don't think Kyan's a high priority scum target so it's eh. No offense Ky.
1. Correct, I didn't. There wasn't really a need to because you weren't anywhere near to being lynched. I said at some point however that I feel better about you tickled my alarms D1.
2. There is two factors here: a) There wasn't anything else to steal N1 but the cop and a switcher and b) I already got into why I chose geno before stu.
3. If I die it does not matter. If I don't die I always get the chat because I'm not getting lynched (except a potential Scum day kill, but come on). Also, see 2.
4. Blind tests are always better than biased tests. It's why you don't ask victims "Is this the man that hurt you" but "identify the man that hurt you out of these 5 persons"
5. What do I know what role you have. Could be a watcher or whatever.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
None taken. It is a fair read imo and I agree.
I stole the role N2 but picked you two D3.
And I voted for Zipped. Blarg and Zipped both need to go at some point I think. Malus and Gorlak both are fine investigation targets. Malus mainly because I still don't really see him as Scum but I'm neither confident enough in that read nor do I have the proper arguments to go against virtually all of Town on this. Green check would be helpful. Salva was one of my last "pretty null".
Don't jinx it.
Verelios
Were-elios
Both you and Dubs could steal the same role at the same time?
Why not? I erase the role end of night, B-Dubs doesn't erase the role at all.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
You can't surely say that the vote on Zipped was anything but covering the extremely unlikely case that someone is foolish enough to join an alternative train.
Dude, I said several times that I don't see a Scum Dubs that can get a Vig and not use it immediately after Day start.
Construct a role that both can steal a chat and survive an ITA shot
Verelios
Were-elios
To me personally? No, not really. Full disclosure, I'm not likely to die tonight, so this has just been a thought exercise until tomorrow.
Natiko was short for "or whoever else there is around"... Honestly, I just don't feel like wasting a lot more time on trying to prove to you that I am who I am. Believe me and help me figure things out or don't beliee and stil help me figre shit out without revealing your PR...
I can't. As I already said earlier, I can use the powers only in the night I steal them (or the following Day phase)
Verelios
Were-elios
Well, one of them. Stu still has 2 investigations left.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
You are correct, belief on my part is not a requirement for cooperation. Of course I shall help.
Verelios
Were-elios
I could also Bomb somebody, but I don't think that's a better idea than investigating somebody, is is?
Unless I am to be killed tonight. Scum killed Geno N1 and Sneeks N2. For me that seems like they are going for potentially dangerous targets more than universally town-read targets which could be to my benefit.
Unless I am to be killed tonight. Scum killed Geno N1 and Sneeks N2. For me that seems like they are going for potentially dangerous targets more than universally town-read targets which could be to my benefit.
Since this chat will be locked before I can post the result of a potential investigation: I guess it should be pretty easy for you to pick up if I had a red or a green check based if you look for it in my posts. So no need for some super secret code, is it? We could do. Something like "mentioning the word 'absent' when talking about dubs means red-check, mentioning 'busy' green check". Or "orchid/cactus" if we want to go full James Bond :D
Yeah, me too (Although only 1am). See you in a couple of hours.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
The game state says that I'd worried of bullets if I was Natiko. Too town read, has claimed so he is a known quantity for the NK and he can't be useful to scum anymore since his ability is used. Scum tried to use him and Monkey and it failed, a failed play like this quite often results in scum eating the losses and killing the non-fooled in retaliation because of their increased town karma. If Monkey dies, I'd see hints of desperation in that. Not using the ITA is a bargaining chip of hers - she can likely deliver a kill with it odds-wise so min-maxing says that she should live until she uses it. I don't expect to see this tonight but it would not be fully outrageous either, a scared scum tea
m could in reverse fear the ITA as well.
You two are numbers two and three on the list I think, sans Monkey since her position on the list can vary. Royal has a bit more credible town check on him than Vere, 100% against 99%, so I'd put Royal as the more likely one to get a meeting with a bullet. Donna can die as well if scum think / gamble on that the knockback from her death will kill A as well. A claimed to have NK immunity up their sleeve so there would be a debate here about if A actually used their day kill immunity on Donna or not.
Protectives attach themselves to their super town of choice, I could see all of Natiko, Royal, Vere and Monkey being considerations for folks. Could be a night for a strong kill if there is one.
There was something else to consider- ah not blanking on it any more. Majority considerations, is there a pressing need to kill people with confirms on them? Yes. If scum don't have more than the NK for kills - here I too don't understand why Dubs did not shoot the Stu shot - and Monkey doesn't pull a town massacre with her ITA, some of the people I'd consider confirmed or trustworthy town will make it to the endgame if there ever is one.
You are under some threat Royal. I'd suggest the play of checking a lynch candidate, someone from the pool of Blarg / malus / Muffin / Zipped, maybe Gorlak or even me if we are thinking long term. Narrow the pool for both sides - we can focus on less targets on green or to a target on red, scum lose a mislynch on green and die on red. Whether you want to use the cop or the bomb for this is up to you. If not for the possible threat on you, I'd always pick cop here in your position. Securing information with the bomb has some merit, I think we can afford a misfire on a townie on that list but that will no doubt help scum closer to a majority and, well, why help them.
I'll be gone for a bit, should be back well before action lock.
m could in reverse fear the ITA as well.
You two are numbers two and three on the list I think, sans Monkey since her position on the list can vary. Royal has a bit more credible town check on him than Vere, 100% against 99%, so I'd put Royal as the more likely one to get a meeting with a bullet. Donna can die as well if scum think / gamble on that the knockback from her death will kill A as well. A claimed to have NK immunity up their sleeve so there would be a debate here about if A actually used their day kill immunity on Donna or not.
Protectives attach themselves to their super town of choice, I could see all of Natiko, Royal, Vere and Monkey being considerations for folks. Could be a night for a strong kill if there is one.
There was something else to consider- ah not blanking on it any more. Majority considerations, is there a pressing need to kill people with confirms on them? Yes. If scum don't have more than the NK for kills - here I too don't understand why Dubs did not shoot the Stu shot - and Monkey doesn't pull a town massacre with her ITA, some of the people I'd consider confirmed or trustworthy town will make it to the endgame if there ever is one.
You are under some threat Royal. I'd suggest the play of checking a lynch candidate, someone from the pool of Blarg / malus / Muffin / Zipped, maybe Gorlak or even me if we are thinking long term. Narrow the pool for both sides - we can focus on less targets on green or to a target on red, scum lose a mislynch on green and die on red. Whether you want to use the cop or the bomb for this is up to you. If not for the possible threat on you, I'd always pick cop here in your position. Securing information with the bomb has some merit, I think we can afford a misfire on a townie on that list but that will no doubt help scum closer to a majority and, well, why help them.
I'll be gone for a bit, should be back well before action lock.
Yeah, I'll probably opt for the cop.
Zipped would certainly be an option. So would malus, although I feel like at this stage I would have to explicitly spell out a green check to save him, which I'd rather avoid. Blarg I could check but I'm scared of a green-checked Blarg in endgame. Too irrational. He would be a pretty decent bomb target, though. Plays into his sense for drama.
After my Natiko/Monkey theory got razor'd I'm more willing to trust A and donna for now because the same razor says that that's actually A's role...
Zipped would certainly be an option. So would malus, although I feel like at this stage I would have to explicitly spell out a green check to save him, which I'd rather avoid. Blarg I could check but I'm scared of a green-checked Blarg in endgame. Too irrational. He would be a pretty decent bomb target, though. Plays into his sense for drama.
After my Natiko/Monkey theory got razor'd I'm more willing to trust A and donna for now because the same razor says that that's actually A's role...
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
Zipped might be a PR that caught Dubs doing something evil. He comes out of the blue with guns blazing, even before Natiko said the thing about chat #2. Alternatively that was a desperate bus. Something changed between D2 and D3 for Zipped. I meta read his Dubs push as town - he has done this before in a similar manner and I am wondering if the details behind the scenes match as well. If he has no evidence though, that is a bus. It should be possible to get the details tomorrow by talking to him, if they exist. Thus, I'd personally consider Zipped a possible waste of a check.
I'd check Blarg or malus myself. I wish I could check Muffin so I can just not look there but he is not as imminent of an issue as malus and Blarg are.
I'd check Blarg or malus myself. I wish I could check Muffin so I can just not look there but he is not as imminent of an issue as malus and Blarg are.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
I see you know how to dodge the mathematical constant vigilante, good. That works I guess.
inb4 coleslaw vigilante
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
Scum is not a number.
In it I see the class struggle in action - the elite, confirmed by the actions of others, get to do whatever they please while the common townspeople like myself must keep on posting in hopes that the privileged shun us not with their gaze.
I don't think it means anything - call it 1.x.
In it I see the class struggle in action - the elite, confirmed by the actions of others, get to do whatever they please while the common townspeople like myself must keep on posting in hopes that the privileged shun us not with their gaze.
I don't think it means anything - call it 1.x.
Verelios
Were-elios
Hm...that, I guess it's okay. It'll be very fucking hard to tilt after Dubs flipped scum though.
Are you set on Malus?
Verelios
Were-elios
This sounds good.
Verelios
Were-elios
I'm on EST.
I don't really want to do Blarg, I'd rather bomb him next phase.
Other than that I'm open to suggestions. As mentioned above, I would have taken Zipped, but kyan thinks that's a waste.
Verelios
Were-elios
Yeah, if Kyan thinks Zipped would be easy to suss out today then it's a waste...okay, do Malus then. When can you confirm his alignment in thread? I don't want to be matrix dodging attacks on him for a day.
I should get the result before Day start. I'll try to hint at the result within the first few posts.
Verelios
Were-elios
Cool, then so long as you preach in thread I'll back you up.
Appreciated
I thunk Monkey mentioned she can't access the chat anymore. If your browser for some reason does a reload you might just get an OM no-access-page