Scum Thread The Spine of the World

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I hate to say it, but if things start getting bad for Geno, we may have to cut him loose. It seems like his lower availability is making it hard for him to make decent plays; all credit to him, he’s generally a great player. That Sparks vote is sketchy as hell for him, on top of the light negative attention he’s been getting. I don’t think it’s happening before D5, but we need to start thinking about pushing him out, unless we can somehow steer town away from him somehow with more appealing targets. Pushing mislynches got more difficult now with Blarg’s claim, too.

Blarg’s ability use was actually pretty clever; I had to catch myself from saying something about it in the thread hah

 

[Maolfunction]

I hate to say it, but if things start getting bad for Geno, we may have to cut him loose. It seems like his lower availability is making it hard for him to make decent plays; all credit to him, he’s generally a great player. That Sparks vote is sketchy as hell for him, on top of the light negative attention he’s been getting. I don’t think it’s happening before D5, but we need to start thinking about pushing him out, unless we can somehow steer town away from him somehow with more appealing targets. Pushing mislynches got more difficult now with Blarg’s claim, too.

Blarg’s ability use was actually pretty clever; I had to catch myself from saying something about it in the thread hah

Eh, we can start considering it and keep it in mind, but Blarg and his targets weren't really targets for a lynch other that Stuart, but he's really been ignored since coming into the game. Depending on how gung ho town is tomorrow after being wrong about LP, they may be hesitant to go after Geno and will be willing to go after someone like Kopite or jman before going after Geno.

The next few nights we should probably clear the three of them tho, Stu, Chuggs and Blarg.

 

[Stantastic]

I hate to say it, but if things start getting bad for Geno, we may have to cut him loose. It seems like his lower availability is making it hard for him to make decent plays; all credit to him, he’s generally a great player. That Sparks vote is sketchy as hell for him, on top of the light negative attention he’s been getting. I don’t think it’s happening before D5, but we need to start thinking about pushing him out, unless we can somehow steer town away from him somehow with more appealing targets. Pushing mislynches got more difficult now with Blarg’s claim, too.

Blarg’s ability use was actually pretty clever; I had to catch myself from saying something about it in the thread hah

Agreed, i have no clue what hes trying to accomplish here and i think its more likely to drag us down with him if we try to play damage control.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Eh, we can start considering it and keep it in mind, but Blarg and his targets weren't really targets for a lynch other that Stuart, but he's really been ignored since coming into the game. Depending on how gung ho town is tomorrow after being wrong about LP, they may be hesitant to go after Geno and will be willing to go after someone like Kopite or jman before going after Geno.

The next few nights we should probably clear the three of them tho, Stu, Chuggs and Blarg.

Ya, I mostly agree. I could’ve seen Stu getting suspicion, maybe not much, but checking Chuggs feels like a waste lol

I’m so sad Blarg didn’t suspect me enough to check :(

 

[Stantastic]

why does it feel like there is a second scum team making an incredible push to save LP?
seriously what is even happening right now?

 

[Maolfunction]

why does it feel like there is a second scum team making an incredible push to save LP?
seriously what is even happening right now?

This is why you try and keep Sparks and Blarg around when you're scum. nin and Salva round the team out. The four horsemen, as Salva put it.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

This is why you try and keep Sparks and Blarg around when you're scum. nin and Salva round the team out. The four horsemen, as Salva put it.

The feeling when you’re scum actually helping town more than those folks are.

 

[Stantastic]

right?
like i keep having the urge to point out how dumb so much of this is only to remember "oh yeah thats good for me right now"

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

right?
like i keep having the urge to point out how dumb so much of this is only to remember "oh yeah thats good for me right now"

No one is listening to me at all, so I guess I'll just keep saying whatever I want lol

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I guess my D1 stupidity was a little too convincing

 

[Hawthorn]

I have no idea what's going on in terms of the arguments today, I've lost track completely.

In terms of who we should kill amongst the "confirmed" town, I think Blargonaut should be last since we know he doesn't have any shots left, and as long as he's alive there's still doubt about the two he checked. Stu should be second-last, since he doesn't seem to have much influence. IMO Chuggernaut should be first, but maybe it's finally time to kill Terra and get that extra kill shot. I'm not sure if there would be another investigative role out there who would look into Launchpad if they haven't done so already.

I hope we don't have to sacrifice Geno. We still don't know what powers he has-- it might be something really good.

 

[Stantastic]

I think LP is jealous after that all the flirting didn't lead to any commitment.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I have no idea what's going on in terms of the arguments today, I've lost track completely.

In terms of who we should kill amongst the "confirmed" town, I think Blargonaut should be last since we know he doesn't have any shots left, and as long as he's alive there's still doubt about the two he checked. Stu should be second-last, since he doesn't seem to have much influence. IMO Chuggernaut should be first, but maybe it's finally time to kill Terra and get that extra kill shot. I'm not sure if there would be another investigative role out there who would look into Launchpad if they haven't done so already.

I hope we don't have to sacrifice Geno. We still don't know what powers he has-- it might be something really good.

I agree with your kill order, but I’d like to hear more thoughts on whether everyone thinks Blarg was the only investigation role out there. That would be the thing I’d be cautious of. We might be able to win this without the extra kill. I think we have a few more phases to decide on that. Terra is also one of the more influential players, so we will have to address that at some point.

It’s hard to say from here whether Geno even has a power, and it’s unfortunate we can’t offer him more help. I think he’s probably figured out that you and I are on the scum team, but he might believe LP is scum also.

 

[Maolfunction]

I'd actually argue to do Stu before Chuggs. I've seen Stu solve entire games after rereading the thread and would rather him not get the chance to do that after LP's flip, which he's reasonably confident about for now.

I think Chuggs is gonna be a bit deflated after LP's flip and won't be as effective next day phase, I can see him being more open to the idea of following my suggestions than I see Stu following me.

There may be one more investigative role of some sort on town's side. 3 roles feels a bit light for town here, so I expect one or two more. What they are, I dunno, but I expect something.

And we can keep Terra around until he actually starts pushing us harder. Doesn't seem like he's close to doing that yet.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I'd actually argue to do Stu before Chuggs. I've seen Stu solve entire games after rereading the thread and would rather him not get the chance to do that after LP's flip, which he's reasonably confident about for now.

I think Chuggs is gonna be a bit deflated after LP's flip and won't be as effective next day phase, I can see him being more open to the idea of following my suggestions than I see Stu following me.

I'll trust your judgement there. Chuggs feels like he's trending towards deflated already hah

There may be one more investigative role of some sort on town's side. 3 roles feels a bit light for town here, so I expect one or two more. What they are, I dunno, but I expect something.

Definitely agree on we haven't turned over all the PR rocks, there are probably a more roles to be worried about.

That said, would it be too obvious that Blarg's role name is a clue here? "Discreet" lie detector? I don't have a lot of knowledge on mafia roles, but could that just be that he can't be detected by movement?

 

[Maolfunction]

That said, would it be too obvious that Blarg's role name is a clue here? "Discreet" lie detector? I don't have a lot of knowledge on mafia roles, but could that just be that he can't be detected by movement?

Honestly, I'm not sure. I've never heard of a ninja lie detector before, but I'm not sure what else Discreet would mean.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

That's probably as far as that Geno train goes today. We need to make LP happen so town will spin its wheels and go back after Jman.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Stu is giving us the out there, he'll turbo whoever gets close enough to majority

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

aw fuck Geno lol

 

[Maolfunction]

oh Geno, that wasn't a good move. you weren't gonna get any more votes.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

The most unnecessary role claim lol dammit Geno

 

[Hawthorn]

Yeah, I've got to say, this claim is not being received well! Maybe he doesn't have any additional powers and his plan is to throw suspicion on Uzzy when he dies? But seemes like a waste. I'm afraid to post anything in the main thread without thinking it through, and I'm at work (from home) right now-- thinking of making a post in a few hours just saying I'm not sure who to believe of Blarg or Geno-- but I won't support Geno if he's still getting trashed like this

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Yeah, I've got to say, this claim is not being received well! Maybe he doesn't have any additional powers and his plan is to throw suspicion on Uzzy when he dies? But seemes like a waste. I'm afraid to post anything in the main thread without thinking it through, and I'm at work (from home) right now-- thinking of making a post in a few hours just saying I'm not sure who to believe of Blarg or Geno-- but I won't support Geno if he's still getting trashed like this

Seems like only Salva is buying the claim, but that might be just enough. It brought the votes to 6-5 LP-Geno. We might be ok.

 

[Maolfunction]

Seems like only Salva is buying the claim, but that might be just enough. It brought the votes to 6-5 LP-Geno. We might be ok.

LP will vote Geno for self-preservation. And I'm not sure where jman votes but he could be the deciding vote.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

LP will vote Geno for self-preservation. And I'm not sure where jman votes but he could be the deciding vote.

Yeah, shit, Nin will probably vote for Geno also.

 

[Maolfunction]

Yeah, shit, Nin will probably vote for Geno also.

I don't think nin and Blarg are moving after their deal lol

 

[Hawthorn]

I could vote for LP if we need to save Geno at the end of the day. I could say that I was frustrated with people thinking we're connected-- it wouldn't exactly make logical sense, but could be a believable reaction, and then any suspicion I got from it would be cleared when he flipped town.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Looks like they’re going to turbo LP lmao

I’m pretending to not see it

 

[Hawthorn]

Oh man, I hope they do. I'll also pretend not to see until later

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

They did it hahaha

 

[Maolfunction]

I'm kind of annoyed that they're still talking.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

lmao

 

[Hawthorn]

They're just talking about dinner XD

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Maol must be really hungry

 

[Hawthorn]

wow, all the people posting are really punchy lol

 

[Stantastic]

...the fuck is this game.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I got invited to a gossip chat :o

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Stuart is the gossip chat leader. The chat is cumulative, as if everyone who’s been invited retains access. I believe if he dies, the chat will shut down.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I immediately roleclaimed the one shot vig to buy their trust. I think we should kill Stu tonight though. The other two in the chat are Chuggs and Terra.

 

[Hawthorn]

I don't like all those people being in a chat together!! Let alone any more. Better now you're there & we have access, but still I agree it's time for Stu to die.

He might mention your vig ability in his will, which means you would have to let the town kind of direct you on how to use it, but we won't have to worry about it until we kill Terra-- we can kill him at a time when it seems like it would be logical for you to use the ability against someone who's not one of us or Geno

What are they talking about in there?

 

[Hawthorn]

Also I really enjoyed the day start post.

 

[Hawthorn]

Night start.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I don't like all those people being in a chat together!! Let alone any more. Better now you're there & we have access, but still I agree it's time for Stu to die.

He might mention your vig ability in his will, which means you would have to let the town kind of direct you on how to use it, but we won't have to worry about it until we kill Terra-- we can kill him at a time when it seems like it would be logical for you to use the ability against someone who's not one of us or Geno

What are they talking about in there?

I agree, having the vig info out there would be problematic, but I think if they believe the claim, they’ll want to keep it hush because scum would kill me before killing Terra and we wouldn’t have the equalizer. They invited me because they townread me, so I don’t think I’ll have any issues there. I’m also going to leave some specifics of what they say and what I say to them out of this chat so you guys don’t accidentally slip.

If it turns in a direction where they’re directing me, even then I can feign being a dumbass and kill against their directive. Two bodies will show up that day regardless, so they’ll know it was me.

This is really intense though haha when I saw the PM for the chat invite, my heart started racing. Definitely a good change of pace from coasting by.

I’ll comb through the posts more carefully a little later and report back specifics. Mostly they talked about their thoughts and they all roleclaimed I believe, which is old news now.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Stan is strongly town read in the chat. It was between us two who Stu would invite, and when I said I didn’t trust Stan, he chose me.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Maol is strongly townread by Chuggs specifically. Hawthorn is still being thrown around as part of a potential scum team, but not the focus.

Geno, Nin, Salva, Kopite, and Uzzy are all also suspected of being scum to varying degrees.

 

[Stantastic]

Stan is strongly town read in the chat. It was between us two who Stu would invite, and when I said I didn’t trust Stan, he chose me.

No idea how i would have earned that but ill take it.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Looks like Geno’s days are numbered. They’re talking about voting him out.

Also, that Stan read might be old news. They’re talking about not inviting you to the chat now based on him pocketing Chuggs in town players.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Maol also looking iffy to Chuggs/Stu. Terra hasn’t checked in yet.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Ok, change of plans. I vote for not killing Stu and leaving the chat open for one more night. They’re talking about inviting Blarg, and I threw out a theory about him having a unique role based on what I’ve seen in the thread. We might be able to get more info out of him when we get him in the chat. I vote for Chuggs instead.

Also, Stu has said that in his will, he will only be listing the people he invited to chat and his thoughts. He hasn’t mentioned any roles. These are all folks on the kill list, anyway. It might be more advantageous for my town cred that Stu not die immediately after I entered the chat.

 

[Maolfunction]

Ha, I was wondering yesterday when Chuggs was talking about his flip on town reading Stu if Stu had a town chat. I agree, we should kill Stu tonight.

Also, kind of want to take the full night. One, because it's a nice mental break for me, lol. Two, town was amped up yesterday. I would like that energy to die off a bit.

And yeah, I'd be surprised if both Chuggs and Stu weren't getting wary of me yet after that LP flip.

 

[Maolfunction]

It might be more advantageous for my town cred that Stu not die immediately after I entered the chat.

Oh, good point. We can do Chuggs first. I won't be surprised if Stu starts applying heat to me when day starts.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Ha, I was wondering yesterday when Chuggs was talking about his flip on town reading Stu if Stu had a town chat. I agree, we should kill Stu tonight.

Also, kind of want to take the full night. One, because it's a nice mental break for me, lol. Two, town was amped up yesterday. I would like that energy to die off a bit.

And yeah, I'd be surprised if both Chuggs and Stu weren't getting wary of me yet after that LP flip.

I thought I’d have a break and got dragged into this instead lmao

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Oh, good point. We can do Chuggs first. I won't be surprised if Stu starts applying heat to me when day starts.

I should clarify, it’s super light scumread on you for right now. Stu’s priorities are Geno, Salva, and Jman in that order.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Actually, even light scumread might be too strong lol it’s more they’re entertaining the idea you might not be town.

also, very sorry, I’m probably going to be posting a lot about what they say.

 

[Maolfunction]

Man, they're still sus of Geno that much even after the LP flip? That's unfortunate, I was hoping they'd do a similar, "too dumb to be scum" read like with jman.

I was really hoping to get Geno to endgame.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Man, they're still sus of Geno that much even after the LP flip? That's unfortunate, I was hoping they'd do a similar, "too dumb to be scum" read like with jman.

I was really hoping to get Geno to endgame.

Yeah, it’s unfortunate. I don’t think Terra is going to change their minds when he reports in, either.

I’m seeing some of what you were seeing in Stu now that I’ve seen gossip, too. He’s pretty astute and looking at things more logically than I was seeing in the thread.

 

[Hawthorn]

Yeah, I think we could all use a longer break-- except poor Launchpad, thank you for representing our interests in the gossip chat!

If we kill Chuggernaut first, maybe Stu and Terra won't be enough to convince everyone to go for Geno after LP's flip?

Maol, do you have thoughts on who/if you want to roleblock? Maybe Chuggernaut also, stop any more wills from getting out?

I don't see any of my powers being that helpful tonight. It's still too early for Mask, esp based on what Launchpad was saying, that I'm fairly low priority for Terra & co even if they still suspect me. And I don't think this is the night for the delayed strong kill, I think we want someone to die before morning. But let me know if you guys have other thoughts!

 

[Hawthorn]

also, very sorry, I’m probably going to be posting a lot about what they say.

It's really interesting!

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Yeah, I think we could all use a longer break-- except poor Launchpad, thank you for representing our interests in the gossip chat!

If we kill Chuggernaut first, maybe Stu and Terra won't be enough to convince everyone to go for Geno after LP's flip?

Maol, do you have thoughts on who/if you want to roleblock? Maybe Chuggernaut also, stop any more wills from getting out?

I don't see any of my powers being that helpful tonight. It's still too early for Mask, esp based on what Launchpad was saying, that I'm fairly low priority for Terra & co even if they still suspect me. And I don't think this is the night for the delayed strong kill, I think we want someone to die before morning. But let me know if you guys have other thoughts!

That’s a good point about support for the Geno lynch. I’ve made it known I’m still after Jman, so it wouldn’t be weird for me to vote there. There are a few players out there that were waiting for LP to flip to assess Jman.

 

[Maolfunction]

If we kill Chuggernaut first, maybe Stu and Terra won't be enough to convince everyone to go for Geno after LP's flip?

Maol, do you have thoughts on who/if you want to roleblock? Maybe Chuggernaut also, stop any more wills from getting out?

I don't see any of my powers being that helpful tonight. It's still too early for Mask, esp based on what Launchpad was saying, that I'm fairly low priority for Terra & co even if they still suspect me. And I don't think this is the night for the delayed strong kill, I think we want someone to die before morning. But let me know if you guys have other thoughts!

That's a thought. It'll probably still be close, I'll probably keep playing risky with Geno and hammer the point home how it doesn't make sense for Geno to do anything he did as scum and that he was left alive to bait a mislunch. We just need to get through two more day phases, lol.

And yeah, I want to roleblock Chuggs. I don't want someone else leaving behind thoughts. Chuggs and Stu getting wills like that is already bad enough.

I don't think we need to use your powers tonight, Hawthorn. We still need to get rid of influential and green checked players quickly, delaying kills at this point would hurt.

 

[Hawthorn]

Sounds good, then either Stan or I will do the kill? I don't mind doing it-- I'm more suspected, but I don't think anyone would focus on me to track, and I could say I visited Chuggernaut to protect him if I role claim later (& that there was a strong kill).

Sounds like a good strategy re Geno-- I'll probably stay with Jman also since at least that's been consistent

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Sounds good, then either Stan or I will do the kill? I don't mind doing it-- I'm more suspected, but I don't think anyone would focus on me to track, and I could say I visited Chuggernaut to protect him if I role claim later (& that there was a strong kill).

Sounds like a good strategy re Geno-- I'll probably stay with Jman also since at least that's been consistent

Run the details by me on what you plan to claim. Yours is a little more complex and we might want to spend some time ironing out any wrinkles in case push comes to shove.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Terra has checked in. He is in agreement with Chuggs and Stu on most of their thoughts. Specifically called out Maol and Stan as being iffy to him, definitely does not want Stan in the chat anymore. Everyone wants to see Geno flip.

 

[Hawthorn]

Terra has checked in. He is in agreement with Chuggs and Stu on most of their thoughts. Specifically called out Maol and Stan as being iffy to him, definitely does not want Stan in the chat anymore. Everyone wants to see Geno flip.

Ugh, not happy about this. At least we have the advantage of knowing where things are headed before the day start, though, since most of the influencial players are in there. I hope there are voices other than us wanting to discuss other possible lunches. Also I think maybe those who pushed hard for LP will have lost some sway in the next day phase, since they were seemingly so sure that he was mafia.

About my possible claim, it's definitely more of a "last resort" possibility for me, I'm not thinking of pulling it out unless I absolutely have to. What I was thinking is that I would say that I am Bailey Gillande and that with the get() function I can "pull players closer to me" which has the effect of both roleblocking and protecting them for the night. The idea would be that the roleblocking aspect balances the protecting aspect. I was thinking that I would not add the part about the actions being delayed onto the next night, since that seems too sinister and is very difficult to prove/disprove-- if I said I protected someone one night & they were killed the next night, that's just bad luck. I would also plan to say that it was limited in shots somehow, not sure how exactly.

I'd prefer to claim vanilla, really, but I think this one would be good if I was caught visiting someone. I could make the claim, use mask in the next night phase, and then if I was voted out the next day leave everyone wondering if the claim was real. Let me know if you think it's a good idea or needs changes!

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Chuggs coming into gossip like, "Geno and Stan are the two we need to look into. I'm sorry, should've listened to you, Launchpad"

Ugh, not happy about this. At least we have the advantage of knowing where things are headed before the day start, though, since most of the influencial players are in there. I hope there are voices other than us wanting to discuss other possible lunches. Also I think maybe those who pushed hard for LP will have lost some sway in the next day phase, since they were seemingly so sure that he was mafia.

About my possible claim, it's definitely more of a "last resort" possibility for me, I'm not thinking of pulling it out unless I absolutely have to. What I was thinking is that I would say that I am Bailey Gillande and that with the get() function I can "pull players closer to me" which has the effect of both roleblocking and protecting them for the night. The idea would be that the roleblocking aspect balances the protecting aspect. I was thinking that I would not add the part about the actions being delayed onto the next night, since that seems too sinister and is very difficult to prove/disprove-- if I said I protected someone one night & they were killed the next night, that's just bad luck. I would also plan to say that it was limited in shots somehow, not sure how exactly.

I'd prefer to claim vanilla, really, but I think this one would be good if I was caught visiting someone. I could make the claim, use mask in the next night phase, and then if I was voted out the next day leave everyone wondering if the claim was real. Let me know if you think it's a good idea or needs changes!

Spent quite a bit of time trying to run different scenarios for this in my head.. Bear with me if I misunderstood something.

I think there are problems with claiming either one of roleblocker or delayer, at least with Chuggs as the target. Problem is Chuggs has handed out wills N1 and N2, and he hasn't been blocked or delayed yet. He's going to be blocked tonight by Maol, but keep in mind we're trying to counter a watcher. If a watcher uses their ability on Chuggs tonight, they're not going to get "no result" (from your Get()) or a delayed result; they're going to get you and Maol as a result, so it wouldn't add up.

 

[Hawthorn]

Yeah, now that you've mentioned it I can see that that's a huge problem-- the trouble is, claim aside, I now realize that we have huge problems if a watcher watches Chuggs tonight, because two of us would be visiting him, Maol to roleblock and whoever performs the kill. No matter what story we come up with, it just doesn't make sense for two of us, and only two of us, to have innocently visited him the same night he was killed. At least one of us would be assumed to be mafia.

That said, maybe there's not a watcher, or maybe they wouldn't choose him to watch-- it's not a huge risk, I guess, but it does make me think maybe we should spread out the night actions more?

I think in general my claim idea works with a watcher, because I think it would be assumed that it wouldn't stop me from visiting the person, or at least I assume that's how my real ability works, but it wouldn't make sense in this specific situation at all

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Yeah, now that you've mentioned it I can see that that's a huge problem-- the trouble is, claim aside, I now realize that we have huge problems if a watcher watches Chuggs tonight, because two of us would be visiting him, Maol to roleblock and whoever performs the kill. No matter what story we come up with, it just doesn't make sense for two of us, and only two of us, to have innocently visited him the same night he was killed. At least one of us would be assumed to be mafia.

That said, maybe there's not a watcher, or maybe they wouldn't choose him to watch-- it's not a huge risk, I guess, but it does make me think maybe we should spread out the night actions more?

I think in general my claim idea works with a watcher, because I think it would be assumed that it wouldn't stop me from visiting the person, or at least I assume that's how my real ability works, but it wouldn't make sense in this specific situation at all

I think it’s a complicated ability to try to build a fake claim out of and figure out the implications on, and I’m not sure there’s a perfect way to go about this. We may need to find out more before we revisit this. You’re pretty far down the list, and hopefully we don’t need to revisit this, but I can see it happening if Maol/Stan are gone. We have time to think about it, at least.

Also unfortunately, the optimal course of action tonight is to kill and block Chuggs, so I think we will have to gamble on it and hope we luck out. Assuming there’s a watcher, they have shots left, and they target one of the confirmed town, there’s still only a 25% chance they pick Chuggs.

 

[Hawthorn]

I think it’s a complicated ability to try to build a fake claim out of and figure out the implications on, and I’m not sure there’s a perfect way to go about this. We may need to find out more before we revisit this. You’re pretty far down the list, and hopefully we don’t need to revisit this, but I can see it happening if Maol/Stan are gone. We have time to think about it, at least.

Also unfortunately, the optimal course of action tonight is to kill and block Chuggs, so I think we will have to gamble on it and hope we luck out. Assuming there’s a watcher, they have shots left, and they target one of the confirmed town, there’s still only a 25% chance they pick Chuggs.

Yeah, I’m not too worried about my fake claim right now, you’re right that I’m down the list.

Who do you think should do the kill tonight, me or Stan? It should be whoever’s least suspicious imo. I would have thought that was Stan, but I’m reconsidering after hearing what they’re saying in the gossip chat. I still think maybe I should do the kill

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I guess I have a question for everyone. What do we think the optimal use of Crash() would be with the board as it is? Since it seems to affect night actions primarily, the supposed only cop is out of shots, the bodyguard is dead, and the three other town PRs we know of are not protective or investigative?

To line it up with the rest of Hawthorn’s role, it feels like it should be a town role, but since it’s a scum role, all it really accomplishes at this point is screw with the information by delaying a kill by one night. So maybe that’s what you can role claim? Claim you’re a 2-Shot Action Delayer. We set it up on night NX so that we use Crash() on the night kill target; on day DX+1, when no one shows up dead, you come clean and say you used your ability on me N1 (nothing happened) and then used it on whoever the night kill for NX is.

Now that I’ve said that, if it ends up being Stu on N4, I wonder if his chat invite will go out. He sends them out during the day phase, so he can actually change his mind from whatever we talk about in gossip.

I’m just rambling over here. I don’t think I’m right on any of this, but I just thought since I had some thoughts I’d put them down.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Yeah, I’m not too worried about my fake claim right now, you’re right that I’m down the list.

Who do you think should do the kill tonight, me or Stan? It should be whoever’s least suspicious imo. I would have thought that was Stan, but I’m reconsidering after hearing what they’re saying in the gossip chat. I still think maybe I should do the kill

I don’t think the Stan suspicion has left gossip yet. He’s probably still in pretty good shape until day phase starts. It’s so weird to be getting reads from people during the night phase haha

I don’t have a preference, personally.

 

[Stantastic]

Yeah im up for sending the kill tonight, and i agree that chuggs is the better target, especially if he is the one pushing for both Geno and me.

 

[Stantastic]

right well glad were all in agreement.
god this timezone is even more annoying as scum.

Well imma input the kill now but feel free to steal it if we come up with a different plan.

kill: TheChuggernaut

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

right well glad were all in agreement.
god this timezone is even more annoying as scum.

Well imma input the kill now but feel free to steal it if we come up with a different plan.

kill: TheChuggernaut

lol yeah the time zone difference sucks. I was asleep for the entire period between your two posts.

I’m in agreement

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I guessed I missed it in what he said earlier, but Stu has (re)stated he is going after Geno > Nin.

 

[Stantastic]

im up for at least making the attempt to defend geno on the basis of his play making little sense for scum, especially since that would fit with the possible lovers claim, but i do think we need to consider cutting our losses early if things seem untenable.

 

[Hawthorn]

Sorry Stan, I was also asleep, but I'm also in agreement with the plan!

It looks like we all agree that those of us who can do so without seeming inconsistent should try to defend Geno a bit, but we should sacrifice him to save ourselves if it becomes necessary, do I have that right? That makes sense to me.

Launchpad, about crash(), I like your potential claim idea a lot, but I think if I do that it would make more sense to use purge(), the delayed strong kill, to delay the night kill, and say that I just used a general delaying action-- then I would still have crash() to demonstrate with. I also don't have to use crash() to claim, I can use it to benefit us substantively if we can come up with a way to do that! I have to admit that I can't think of one right now though.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Sorry Stan, I was also asleep, but I'm also in agreement with the plan!

It looks like we all agree that those of us who can do so without seeming inconsistent should try to defend Geno a bit, but we should sacrifice him to save ourselves if it becomes necessary, do I have that right? That makes sense to me.

Launchpad, about crash(), I like your potential claim idea a lot, but I think if I do that it would make more sense to use purge(), the delayed strong kill, to delay the night kill, and say that I just used a general delaying action-- then I would still have crash() to demonstrate with. I also don't have to use crash() to claim, I can use it to benefit us substantively if we can come up with a way to do that! I have to admit that I can't think of one right now though.

That could work.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Terra checked in. He’s going for Geno and Nin this phase, then Kopite/Hawthorn are his second set. I think we’ll be fine for now, that’s still a lot of folks to work through before getting to Hawthorn and he’s the only one that’s brought her up. But Terra should probably be the kill after Chuggs and Stu if we lose Geno here, to unlock my kill and equalize things.

 

[Aeleus]

right well glad were all in agreement.
god this timezone is even more annoying as scum.

Well imma input the kill now but feel free to steal it if we come up with a different plan.

kill: TheChuggernaut

Command Received

 

[Maolfunction]

I like that claim idea, Launchpad. And I think Hawthorn's modification to the idea will work fine if it comes to that.

And yeah, I don't plan on attaching myself too much to Geno, if he goes, he goes. I just want to push town to pressure other options too.

I'll put in my action now too. Roleblock: Chugg

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

This one’s for Chuggs when he reads this: I totally understand how he could accidentally mix up threads lol

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Also, Chuggs and Stu are going to update their wills to vouch for the folks in gossip. We’ll see what that looks like when Chuggs flips.

 

[Aeleus]

I like that claim idea, Launchpad. And I think Hawthorn's modification to the idea will work fine if it comes to that.

And yeah, I don't plan on attaching myself too much to Geno, if he goes, he goes. I just want to push town to pressure other options too.

I'll put in my action now too. Roleblock: Chugg

Command Received

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Gah sorry, I don’t think Chuggs mentioned he was 2-shot, but I might’ve missed it.

 

[Maolfunction]

It's fine. Didn't really have a different target anyway.

 

[Maolfunction]

Ah yes the usual town knows everything, and now that LP flipped town like I said they act like we should move on like normal. Whatever, Maol is town.

Geno, this is extremely fucking risky, lol

 

[Hawthorn]

He doesn't know who you are, even if he gets voted the lone wolf pm will show that he doesn't know who the fellow mafia are so he's guessing like anyone else. Hopefully!!!

 

[Hawthorn]

*voted out

 

[Maolfunction]

He doesn't know who you are, even if he gets voted the lone wolf pm will show that he doesn't know who the fellow mafia are so he's guessing like anyone else. Hopefully!!!

Oh I know, it's risky for him since his results are so different from Blarg's. If I flip before him, it's a death sentence.

 

[Hawthorn]

Yeah, I can't disagree with you there.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

If Geno can finesse his way out of getting lynched today, that would indeed be incredible lol

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Also the reason Terra is throwing votes out is because I told him about the voting requirement of my role. I expect he’ll be working through the remaining names, just so happened to start with Hawthorn and Stan.

town willing to believe there’s a doctor out there. perfect in for Hawthorn when the time comes

 

[Stantastic]

I swear if blarg is actually gambiting right now we might get 2 free lunches out of it.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I was thinking the same loool

town eating itself alive

 

[Maolfunction]

oh my god is this Geno.

Can Geno send fake red checks to players. Is this why he claimed, to set up Blarg?

 

[Stantastic]

oh my god is this Geno.

Can Geno send fake red checks to players. Is this why he claimed, to set up Blarg?

i dont see Blarg going along so easily with that, we know blarg only had two shots, so unless he lied about an earlier lie check blarg would know this one on nin is something else.
I think this might just be blarg faking a check on a nin hes sure is scum.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

What a cluster this has turned into

 

[Hawthorn]

This situation rocks! What a gift this red check on nin is. And Launchpad, congratulations on making it into the "confirmed town" circle, you've reached great heights!

 

[Hawthorn]

If the situation is still the same over there when I finish breakfast I'm just going to vote for nin. He said he would turbo himself.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

One away from turbo lol