Yeah, I still have her as town but... I don't feel as good about it, you know?I can't help but see Donna as town purely for how Jman acted before exiting.
I'm chomping at the bits to see this flip in 20 minutes....
Yeah. Reki has been a wild card for me, but I mostly feel good about them...? My paranoia is actually making me second guess some of our more solid town reads....But I don't want to fall too far down the rabbit hole until this flip.I really don't know what to make of Reki. Their votes are BAD. Like SO bad. Many of their posts? Sketch. But some of their reactions and treatment of Sparks? Do not look like partners. If they are Reki played that part very well, enough to cast doubt on all the rest.
I am sure most of them would not regardless, but I agree, I don't think it was planned. If it was, that was a bad plan.Random Gut Feeling: I do not think Spark's claim was pre-planned by the team. It reads as if Sparks caught up and was caught off guard, knee-jerk fake claim, then crashed and burned. I'm not 100% sure scum had much time to plan a rally around him even if they wanted to.
--to add...which could be good or bad for town reads. It could be good if scum tried to scramble in order to cover and deflect, as a last minute move like this would be messy and leave us some clues. Or it could be bad----or rather neutral---if they said, "I'm not touching that with a hundred foot pole," and let Sparks go down.Random Gut Feeling: I do not think Spark's claim was pre-planned by the team. It reads as if Sparks caught up and was caught off guard, knee-jerk fake claim, then crashed and burned. I'm not 100% sure scum had much time to plan a rally around him even if they wanted to.
Yeah, I'm reading back through and trying to think about that now. Not being there for it kinda sucks.--to add...which could be good or bad for town reads. It could be good if scum tried to scramble in order to cover and deflect, as a last minute move like this would be messy and leave us some clues. Or it could be bad----or rather neutral---if they said, "I'm not touching that with a hundred foot pole," and let Sparks go down.
Agreed. I understood the logic they were pushing....I just didn't agree with it in the situation we were in. I'm really bad at understanding what is bad play vs scum manipulation. In this scenario though, my gut leans towards the latter.Trying to push for a tie in THAT situation was such bullshit. I can't believe they tried it.
because of this one: https://www.resetera.com/threads/easy-allies-mafia-ot-death-distrust.305927/post-49174810IF Sneeks turns out to be scum, Reki is town.
Mine too. Everyone knows the Sparks vote is messed up anyway and with that claim on the table, all the votes are artificial. It's foolish. Especially from someone who already "oopsed" and took money.Agreed. I understood the logic they were pushing....I just didn't agree with it in the situation we were in. I'm really bad at understanding what is bad play vs scum manipulation. In this scenario though, my gut leans towards the latter.
Same. I would be very buttoned up with anyone else, so I'm fortunate to be paired with you.Yeah, I'm reading back through and trying to think about that now. Not being there for it kinda sucks.
I'm very glad we're in a chat together, though!
Good point. There's no way I'm that lucky though and redirected to scum. Nooooo way.
My paranoia is actually making me second guess some of our more solid town reads....But I don't want to fall too far down the rabbit hole until this flip.
Sneeks must have been a redirect or something right?
loool....suuuuure is
Yes, I would have thought Sneeks was a very suspicious death but jumping to a redirect is questionable. However, Kyan did have the hoodie, Sparks was a nexus... maybe?? I don't know. New players sometimes do unexpected shit. I'm curious what else gets said about it. Let's see how it develops.I don't know what to think of it...I guess I'll just put it in my pocket for now. I know it's hard to remove the knowledge we have in our brains, but would you have found a Sawneeks death last night suspicious and a possible redirect if I didn't tell you?
Yeah, I'm about to go have dinner myself. But we have all and all next night together!!I really hope Rac's Prove It Ticket worked out well.
I'm not sure what to make of Launched yet....Definitely defensive. I'm going to go knock a few things out and wrap up my work for the day. Maybe by the time I'm back Vere will have spoken up.
I hope someone does. I can handle it. But I don’t know if you should claim yet. What do you think?Also, if at any point you want me to go ahead and claim the misdirect for last night, I gladly will...in case town wastes any time arguing against you as town.
Oh I think he did!If ATP seriously checked Vere.....lol
Alright fine!
Vote: MrHedin
Ugh. I like mostly everyone on the sparks train for town, but I don't like the sparks vote.
Funky Dude Sparks why shouldn't I vote for you?
Sparks is just boring and I'd prefer Hedin. :u
This is basically where I'm at too lol
Gonna be sad when we find out Sparks was the vig who killed faddy.
Jk
or not
At this point though, you'd have to be crazy to go against a Funky Dude Sparks vote. Except...ATP never moved his vote.Do we want to hammer? I'm happy to move to sparks I've heard enough lol
I think I feel better about Hedin after yesterday. He was clearly a counterwagon and Sparks was an inevitable day kill. But the tiniest part of me says that Sparks was SO inevitable then they could push scum but I don't think that's it, not since Sneeks flipped town.I agree about Maol looking good.
So, a large part of yesterday was MrHedin. How are you feeling about him? Still suspicious? If MrHedin is town, then surely scum would have had at least a vote or two there in order to try and move pressure away from Funky Dude Sparks. And I can't help but feel suspicious about someone who voted MrHedin or elsewhere after Funky Dude Spark's claim, like Vere and Launch.
lol. All good! I knew to keep my mouth closed.I DO NOT MEAN YOU SHOULD CLAIM WITH WHAT I AM ABOUT TO POST - you are an exception because you were trying to bait a kill.
The only reason this makes sense is if Vere thought they were high on people's scum list, THEREFORE being a good target for scum to frame. But I'm not going to put these words into Vere's mouth.A didn't use it, D2 I thought I wouldn't be targeted since there were better options available and on D3 I believed there was a good chance I might be targeted by scum, and able to prove my PR.
yeah, i want to say A LOT but I'm trying to hold back a bitThe only reason this makes sense is if Vere thought they were high on people's scum list, THEREFORE being a good target for scum to frame. But I'm not going to put these words into Vere's mouth.
yes
which, role cop is USUALLY pretty scum and I don't actually see it as town. having the result come back to the thread can go either way and he's being cagey about flavor and I don't like it. approach feelsbadman BUT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL WHEN PEOPLE WHO ARE TOWN ARE ALSO GENERALLY CAGEY LIKE WTF
i need to ly dow
Duh. I confused who Vere subbed in for a moment. Poor Wee is dead. Forget me....back to painting.Wee specifically mentioned that you were picking up on their breadcrumbs, but my memory is hazy. Was that in reference to their role? If so, I'm curious to go back and find them. See if they left any crumbs that might validate what Vere is saying...
Rarely more than one.Thankfully it was nothing!
If scum has strongkills, do they only get a certain amount generally? My only thought about not mentioning my pelt is that it leads scum to thinking we have a redirect power? Might bait the strong kill out of them. But truly, I have no strong feelings one way or the other. I'm fine explaining my pelt use.
At this point, I'm really a fan of trying to get that phone.
In keeping with your idea of items/roles being spread out, and making the choice difficult for scum at night, I think it should go to someone town read who isn't a high-priority for town to kill at night. I always feel awkward pointing at myself, but....I'm surely not much of a threat to scum....?Rarely more than one.
I am too, but who should get it??
I think you would be a great idea.In keeping with your idea of items/roles being spread out, and making the choice difficult for scum at night, I think it should go to someone town read who isn't a high-priority for town to kill at night. I always feel awkward pointing at myself, but....I'm surely not much of a threat to scum....?
I'll be curious to see if I can convince town of my towniness and this being a good idea without claiming some things and such and stuff.I think you would be a great idea.
lmao. I was going to make a similar comment to you early in the chat that if you're really scum, bravo, and I feel personally betrayed. I will never trust Doctors or Monkeys ever again.if you are not the vig and lied and then you are actually scum, I just want to say early: well played lol
I promise your relationships with monkeys and doctors are safe!lmao. I was going to make a similar comment to you early in the chat that if you're really scum, bravo, and I feel personally betrayed. I will never trust Doctors or Monkeys ever again.
I think this is a great idea.The good thing is that because you're in here with me...if I DON'T get enough money for a phone, I could get that pelt of perception again. We could take a gamble, agree on our swap-targets, and then share it here. That way if I die, you can tell the room about it if need be. And vice-versa.
You've been pretty townie this game even if I hadn't read you as the vig. I suspect Kyan also knows you're the vig, which is a very townie point in his favor (not that he needed it).I'm not used to this feeling. I generally go each game right on the line between scum/town in everyone's eyes.
I just find it really suspect that right after I'm like "let's do other things," Pancakes drops that vote. And she's been very cagey. Early game I get it. Now? Less.I see some pressure on Pancakes! Want me to vote and add a little more? Anything in particular drawing you there?
She is getting quite defensive, which is sounding an alarm or two for me.I just find it really suspect that right after I'm like "let's do other things," Pancakes drops that vote. And she's been very cagey. Early game I get it. Now? Less.
I feel so bad if Reki is town because that was a SHIT ton of work for nothing. I had to stop reading half way through...lol. Maybe once I get back to my PC I'll try to respond to a little.I can't help but laugh that Reki did all that but doesn't know you're the vig.