IIRC after Bear presented his Faddy thesis and votes were accumulating, Zeke came in and was basically the only person listening to Faddy. I got the impression though that it wasn't a lifejacket that he tossed him, but a shovel.
I also got a snuggie for christmas haha, merry christmas to you and VA (yes I will abuse my gamewatcher privileges to wish people a merry christmas)Merry Christmas, you two. You are both wonderful. <3
(it is also cold af here but my amazing husband got me a SNUGGIE! DON'T CARE HOW DORKY IT IS GREAT)
Merry Christmas, Aeleus!I also got a snuggie for christmas haha, merry christmas to you and VA (yes I will abuse my gamewatcher privileges to wish people a merry christmas)
Good post. I think I lean towards town here for Bear and Sneeks for sure. Tinfoil stuff is always a possibility, though I'm fine putting in pocket for now. As for Sneeks and you interacting, I looked for her comments on us and didn't find a lot. Every time she brought us up, it wasn't to say much other than we seemed town. Based on her readlists, I'd say she is going to be pretty focused on Muffian and GenoForce today, unless the NK really changes it up.First up: Bearneeks:
So I went back to look at Bear's case on Faddy, since that kinda kicked it all off. It's off for scum to initiate a wagon when there's nothing going on - not impossible, but odd. So I looked at that.
#915 is when Bear indicates he's about to drop a case on someone. He responds a couple of posts earlier to something wee said about Faddy but he was talking about several people then, so there was nothing that stuck out about it at the time. So what's happening at #915?
As of #915 - There were NO votes on Faddy. Bear originated the case and the vote.
What was happening at the time?
Bear was questioning jman about shifting votes. Then presses Muffin a little.
Sneeks is shading Sorian #897.
wee was mildly shading Faddy.
The whole situation with my jman thing was still swirling.
Faddy and Sorian argue. Some others weigh in a little. (Faddy has switched from town Muffian to scum at this point). Some others weigh in. Most dismissive in some way or another. Faddy did NOT seem to be center of any attention, really, other than what he was creating for himself.
#989, right on the heels of this, Bear produces his case. The Faddy discussion has gotten stronger, but it's happening RIGHT as Bear is about to post. So yes, Bear did originate the case on Faddy and lead the chance to get him killed.
Here's the vote count around #915/when Bear later dropped the case:
Fanto, Monkey, Sneeks first to follow on Faddy. If scum team, seems unusual for Sneeks to follow her partner so soon when so few other votes are on, unless she's deflecting from someone else, but earlier she commented that she wanted to push a tie between Muffian and MrChuggs. I'll look at that vote too.
Votes, approximate, as of #915 (it's always hard to tell so I might have missed one):
jman (switching between Monkey/VA)
Sneeks voted there at 917 (kept until switching to Faddy)
(Fanto until 905)
jman (switching between Muffian)
So Sneeks switched off Muffian to Faddy shifts from a MrChuggs/Muffian semi tie to a Faddy/MrChuggs semi tie. This is the ONE possibility to highlight because if Muffian/Bearneeks are partners, this helps push Faddy into the limelight over Muffian. Keeps the tie-ish state, but drops Muffian away as focus shifts to Faddy. Muffian wagon faded by EoD.
So I can see a world in which Sneeks, knowing Bear is about to drop the Faddy case, votes Sorian briefly to have a good bus vote on the board, but plans to switch to Faddy if others too. But at the same time, it seems like many other candidates could have been easier to push than someone who, at that point, had ZERO votes on them. Why not push us? Or Salva and nin? But Sneeks voted Sorian and then Faddy, and those were her only votes. Bear only voted Faddy.
Neither, however, was particularly bothered at EoD. So if they are scum, all the wagons were town (that would clear MrChuggs and Zeke/Zipped) or Bearneeks is just town. At this point, I actually do lean that way.
BUT: Possible ties:
Faddy pointed out that Sneeks did case Chuggs but didn't vote there, which could fit with a lack of EoD panic if Chuggs is scum, but again, starting a new wagon to deflect from someone there... well, it wasn't Chuggs. The Chuggs wagon kept going. And she only lightly scumread MrChuggs. More of a "watch in case" read, then deferred to Bear's read on Faddy.
Bear and Sneeks have both referenced missing each other in chat at least once. On the one hand, that makes sense re: their timezones. But it could possibly be performative.
Sneeks didn't scumread me and that's always weird. She didn't really seem to pay much attention to me at all, in fact. Weird. I guess I didn't interact with her much either.
My verdict is actually: more likely town.
That surprises me because I thought they should stay in PoE, but all that's mostly here is tinfoil possibility. The much more likely possibility is town. What do you think?
Just in general?
NinPot I feel goodish about given their reaction to everything.
Muffian and GenoForce are tied together because of the former and until sorian or muffin stop memeing I'm not gonna bother. Sorian already doubled down on saying to lunch Genoforce but he also used the batcomputer so instead of reading them in circles I'ma wait. Eventually one of them will talk normal.
I'm confused about Faddy but he's a wait and see dependent on Sorian.
I'm trying to do big brain reads like the pros and it has me feeling good about wee.
Jman is null. I skimmed.
Monkey is a shrug and waiting to see what she does next. Don't think the Jman prod is enough by itself to push me in either direction.
Chuggs I have an idea about you, but so far watching y'all fight is good enough for me.
Hedin is also a wait and watch. Fanto's post with quotes looks townie on the surface but can easily be copied by scum.
I keep forgetting everyone's partner but that's a me problem.
Think that's bout it
I'll reread because I know they posted but I dislike how NinPot just vanished. I don't want them to ride the initial wave of being fake redchecked for too long and not contribute.
Dr. VA is townish, I think. Monkey being 'off' is NAI since she is sick and the pile against her looks like town flailing for a lead on D1. Lotta shrugs.
Sorian and Muffin are still in shitpost town and I don't like it. Both are great liars and it scares me. Sorian is kind of solving but he did that during Town Hooker and let me tell you, I just had to sit back and occasionally show up and give the thumbs up while he did all of the work. Muffin is doing that now too.
I like this.I'm typing up lots of game notes but in the meantime:
I think we should break the LuxTerra pair up and put them with wee and Febe. Lux to Febe, Terra to wee. Lux & Terra-b are so lockstep that breaking them up will probably help the read there, and if Lux is busy, and Terra hasn't played in a while... well, if scum they are probably relying on their team pretty hard. If we can separate them from the team, that just seems like a benefit. And if they're town, there's a chance wee and Febe could sus it out.
That's my recommendation for now. But when I finish my notes I may feel differently!
Did he originate it though or was it usually a response? I'm looking at Zeke today. I'll look at Salva, too.I don't know most players playstyle to directly comment, but I just re-read Nin and....there isn't much there at all. Lots and lots of fluff and dancing. Multiple comments stating that he is town, but also stating that if he was scum he would be lying. Goes for Faddy, but has a very very last minute flip to Zeke. Is this a genuine switch, or taking advantage of the chaos to hop off of a town wagon last minute to appear innocent? The EoD shifting is too widespread though, and I could talk myself in circles about what folks were up there. I lean towards our leading wagons being town v town. If Zeke is scum though, and put that much work into defending Faddy......
Oh, no, I mean Zeke on Faddy. I pressed him a bunch and he responded and then he mentioned that a lot after, but I wonder how often he originated a town read of Faddy and didn't just say it in response to someone else.Nin's comments about being town? In response each time.
don't promise me a good timeI think NK'ing us would be a fun play for scum. We've been "suspicious" without actually gathering up votes against us, so they might see us as a hard target to lunch. We've also been in an argument with a bunch of players over our D1. NK us and you stir the pot with those throwing shade at us without placing votes, which would be a lotta folks.
ATP talked about clutter and noise all d1 and even if he actually WAS frustrated about it, I'd think the team would tell him that kind of clutter is good for scum, especially if it's town led and causes town-on-town fighting, which I think d1 was dominated by. So yeah, I just... don't think ATP is scum.I dont know why you two are fixated on framing this as me defending monkey like she needs my goddamn help
My point has only been jman is erratic. What she did was barely noteworthy but chuggs blew it up into some big fucking thing and then some other people jumped on it.
I've given my thoughts plenty. I've given my town leans so far, Muffian and madden I find to be so noisy I feel like its clogging up a lot of the game and I'd probably want to put my vote on one of those two.
Everyone else I pretty much feel null on right now.
But again you guys are so hung up on me thinking your train on thought of monkey was garbo thst you don't care about anything else I say.
I was kinda skimming but that was the general impression I got. Faddy kept posting but no one was listening except Zeke, which enabled him to post more.Yes. Giving him a shovel to dig himself a hole. I want LP to follow up on this now.