Pair Thread Shy Guy / Wiggler Kart

[Sawneeks]

Salva claims he and Nin are Funky Kong and Donkey Kong Jr. They use bananas somehow in their role.

 

[Sawneeks]

it's the unfun answer but i'll vote Block City tonight i guess

 

[The Bear]

@Sawneeks should we make a claim like this:

"If we are killed (we don't tell day or night), we are allowed to give a vigilante shot to a kart of our choosing during the next day phase. It gives us some power, but it's very reliant on our judgment of character."

We can even shoot some shade that we wanted that vig shot for ourselves and are sad about it :P.

That way our role makes more sense to be town.

 

[The Bear]

Good thing that the red check was got now. It's playing some catch-up.

Scum is most likely going to hit either Team ZippedRAGE or Team JmanThorne. Or they will go at someone completely different.

 

[Sawneeks]

I like it. I'm guessing if we had to claim we would claim our actual characters too, yeah?


Agree with you on Zeke or Jman. I can see them going Zeke if they assume Jman is protected tonight.

Or throw it all out a window if they have a strongman shot but...we will see.

 

[Sawneeks]

also booooo no voting tonight. :'(

 

[The Bear]

I like it. I'm guessing if we had to claim we would claim our actual characters too, yeah?


Agree with you on Zeke or Jman. I can see them going Zeke if they assume Jman is protected tonight.

Or throw it all out a window if they have a strongman shot but...we will see.

I think assuming Zeke is telling the truth about the doc, there will be definitely a strongman.

I'm curious about the switchet/redirect. If it's town and not a 1-shot, they will definitely use it to protect at least one of those two. (Just you wait, they will redirect the kill to us, lol).

 

[The Bear]

At any case, we can use this situation to our advantage.

With Scum BP outed, town can be pretty safe in the knowledge that there could be a town vig power. Sorian will make a case that the BP only exists to counter ITA, but eh.

So when/if we have to claim our modified role, there is a good chance people will believe it. I also doubt there are two town vig roles in a game of 15 pairs.

 

[The Bear]

So what we have so far:

Faddy & Malus - 3 shot town tracker. Lunched D1
Dr. Monkey & Vincent Alexander - Town chat scrambler. Killed N1.
AllThingsPurple & Launchpad - Scum 1-shot BP. Lunched D2

Bear & Sawneeks - We town!

Hawthorn & jman1954goat - Claimed some type of cop, no specifics iirc. Red-Checked ATP/Launch
TheChuggernaut & MrHedin - Claimed messenger, Zeke confirmed they received a message.
Zippedpinhead & EzekelRAGE - Claimed some type of doc, no specifics. Could be a way to bait for the real doc to counter.

Uzzy & Fanto - Claimed to have their vote be stolen on D2. Could be a gambit I guess.
Sorian & Muffin - Soft-claimed cop on D1, but it's been pretty darn obvious that it has just been a Sorian gambit (tm)

Blargonaut & Lone_Prodigy
Funky Dude Sparkster & Poltergust
SalvaPot & nin
LuxCommander & Terrabyte20xx
Geno & Terraforce
Fireblend & weemadarthur

 

[The Bear]

That last segment with six pairs will have at least one scum team in it for sure. It's possible that there's even two, but I'm not confident that there isn't scum somewhere between chugghedin/muffian/ZippedRAGE/Fuzzy

 

[Sawneeks]

The switcher IS interesting because I'm thinking there could be two scenarios: that role exists or Sorian is a passive redirect/mirror. That said, swapping him with the Doc feels like a very Town move since neither is dead if someone else has that role out there and that adds to the possibility that neither Jman or Zeke die tonight.

Will be interesting to see what gets reported tomorrow.


Between those 4 you listed I'd go Muffian > Fuzzy = Chuggshedin >>>> ZippedRAGE in terms of possible scumminess. However, I think looking at Fire/Wee might be our best shot given their defense of ATP....

What do you think about GenoForce and NinPot? They got their whole thing on D1 but have since died down a little more. Think either might be scum?

 

[Natiko]

You have received the following message:

Everything dies. You, me. Everyone on this planet. Our sun. Our galaxy. And, eventually, the universe itself. This is simply how things are. It's inevitable. And I accept it. What I will not tolerate — what I find unacceptable — is the unnatural acceleration of that end.

 

[Sawneeks]

Chuggs you nerd

 

[Sawneeks]

That's a really good monologue from some comics we (me, Chuggs, and others) on discord love to talk about. I'ma open the day by posting a panel from it :p

 

[The Bear]

Might as well just come clean immediately about getting the message.

 

[The Bear]

That was a great gambit.

 

[Sawneeks]

It was a really really good gambit lol. Paid off wonderfully.

 

[Sawneeks]

Updated:

So what we have so far:

Faddy & Malus - 3 shot town tracker. Lunched D1
Dr. Monkey & Vincent Alexander - Town chat scrambler. Killed N1.
AllThingsPurple & Launchpad - Scum 1-shot BP. Lunched D2

Bear & Sawneeks - We town!

Hawthorn & jman1954goat - Town Back-up, became 3-Shot Tracker. Tracked Launch to Monkey.
TheChuggernaut & MrHedin - Claimed messenger, Zeke confirmed they received a message. Bearneek received one N2.
Zippedpinhead & EzekelRAGE - Claimed some type of doc, no specifics. Could be a way to bait for the real doc to counter.
Salvapot & Nin - Claimed 1-shot Track Override, using it N2 to pick Baby Park. Claims to have vote stolen on D3.

Uzzy & Fanto - Claimed to have their vote be stolen on D2. Could be a gambit I guess.
Sorian & Muffin - Soft-claimed cop on D1, but it's been pretty darn obvious that it has just been a Sorian gambit (tm). Has also hinted at being Confirmed Town or a Mirror.

??? - Chuggs sent a message to Sorian N1 but it went to Zeke instead. Switcher? Mirror?
??? - Vote Stealer still at large
??? - Scum have a Roleblocker.

Blargonaut & Lone_Prodigy
Funky Dude Sparkster & Poltergust
LuxCommander & Terrabyte20xx
Geno & Terraforce
Fireblend & weemadarthur

 

[Sawneeks]

Oh, i had a thought when i woke up this morning. In Mario Kart PvP you still get to play when you die so I'm wondering if that's why no one goes to spec upon death.

 

[The Bear]

I get the feeling that Sorian is shitting on us on his kart (assuming he isn't on scum kart) as much as we are doing it to him here.

 

[The Bear]

Let's hug after this is over Sorian.

 

[The Bear]

Unless you are scum Sorian, then we will hate hug.

 

[The Bear]

@Natiko sorry we accidentally broke the game.

 

[Natiko]

No, no need to apologize. Vote Tool has been pretty spotty for the last season or two, so not really a big surprise. Just glad we caught it now as opposed to me doing a flip based on a bad vote count (this assumes none of the previous totals were incorrect...fingers crossed because I'm just going to let myself be blissfully ignorant in my assumption they were fine).

 

[Sawneeks]

Nah, no worries. It happens lol

 

[Sawneeks]

Bear I'm not sure I'm sold on Fanto and Uzzy being scum. Fanto is being Fanto and I imagine a scum team would tell Uzzy to at least do something else than stay and harp on the "kill all liars" thing

 

[The Bear]

Bear I'm not sure I'm sold on Fanto and Uzzy being scum. Fanto is being Fanto and I imagine a scum team would tell Uzzy to at least do something else than stay and harp on the "kill all liars" thing

I want to trust on you on that.

If nothing else, I do think it's useful to see how they react when there's some pressure put on them.

 

[The Bear]

From pov of someone who has taken a break on mafia, the concentration on meta makes this difficult for me. I don't know what town/scum sparks is at this point, and I don't have any point of reference about how Uzzy has played previously.

 

[Sawneeks]

I've never played with Uzzy either so I'm with you on that blindspot. The stubbornness to not change/interact just reads townie to me than a scared scum.

Sparks is difficult so I don't blame you there. I'm trying to look at Polter more than Sparks but it's not making it a whole lot easier.

 

[Sawneeks]

seriously i cant tell if sorian is being dense on purpose or what

 

[Sawneeks]

shrug, i have no clue who i want tomorrow. i'm tied between Weeblend and TerraCommander tbh

 

[The Bear]

wait wait wait wait

Did Wee claim vig?

 

[The Bear]

Saw pls wake up.

 

[The Bear]

Okay I claimed.

I claimed the modified version where we give out the vig shot.

 

[The Bear]

Sadly at this point town might lunch us just to test it out. But we shouldn't backpedal if it comes to it.

 

[The Bear]

It might have been the wrong decision to not come clean that it triggers only on NK. But fuck it.

 

[The Bear]

Need to come up with a role to claim.

Our real role is Kill Vengeful.

So what we claim is Vengeful Gifter. We gift the vigilante shot.

 

[Sawneeks]

Gotcha, I'll follow your lead. Sorry for being late on this but I woke up in the night with a migraine so I've been trying to sleep it off. Only half successful.

 

[The Bear]

@Natiko I will om nom nom nom you if you put in two town vigs to a 15 kart racing game.

 

[Sawneeks]

Watch scum be balanced out and have an extra kill somewhere

 

[The Bear]

At this point I could subscribe to the 4 karts theory.

 

[The Bear]

Well if nothing else, this prove Sorian's power over this community is concerning lol.

 

[Sawneeks]

town hooker should've been the first clue lol

 

[Sawneeks]

i feel so bad for geno and terra, that was shitty.

 

[The Bear]

I want off this Sorian train.

 

[Sawneeks]

 

[The Bear]

The only (and I do mean only) positive thing about this is that hated is a weaksauce role. At least we didn't lose any powerful PR.

 

[The Bear]

So the only part that does make sense in Sorian's thought process is that it was very risky from weeblend to claim vig if they are scum. But even the ITA explains that.

 

[Sawneeks]

I hate to begrudgingly admit he may be right but he's got a point. Still, why would there be two town vigs? that makes no sense.

 

[The Bear]

Uh... things took a dark turn.

 

[The Bear]

This isn't fun now.

 

[The Bear]

I feel bad for Geno, Terraforce, Salva, Zeke, Verelios and Stuart.

 

[The Bear]

Most of all, I'm so sorry @Natiko :(.

 

[The Bear]

I feel bad for Geno, Terraforce, Salva, Zeke, Verelios and Stuart.

Let's now add Fran to the list.

Christ.

 

[Natiko]

It's all good. Lets just all smile and try and get through this lol

 

[The Bear]

GM:ing is stressful as fuck, even more so than playing. I should know.

 

[Natiko]

That it is, especially when people get upset or angry. I know I caused you headaches with that in LB3 - still sorry for that one.

 

[The Bear]

Updated:

So what we have so far:

Faddy & Malus - 3 shot town tracker. Lunched D1
Dr. Monkey & Vincent Alexander - Town chat scrambler. Killed N1.
AllThingsPurple & Launchpad - Scum 1-shot BP. Lunched D2
Geno & Terraforce - Town hated, lunched D3 (I'm so sorry :( ).
Zippedpinhead & EzekelRAGE. Scum ???, got outed for sad reasons, lunched D4 most likely.



Bear & Sawneeks - We town!

Hawthorn & jman1954goat - Town Back-up, became 3-Shot Tracker. Tracked Launch to Monkey.
TheChuggernaut & MrHedin - Claimed messenger, Zeke confirmed they received a message. Bearneek received one N2.
Salvapot & Nin - Claimed 1-shot Track Override, using it N2 to pick Baby Park. Claims to have vote stolen on D3. Seem to be confirmed town after the fuckery with Zeke.
Fireblend & Weemadarthur - Claims regular boring night vig. This claim stinks.
Sorian & Muffin - Claim to be masons with PolterFran. Polter confirms this. If we have 4 scum pairs, potential scums.
Fran & Poltergust - Claim to be masons with Muffian. If we have 4 scum pairs, potential scums.

Uzzy & Fanto - Claimed to have their vote be stolen on D2. Could be a gambit I guess.

??? - Chuggs sent a message to Sorian N1 but it went to Zeke instead. Switcher? Mirror?
??? - Vote Stealer still at large
??? - Scum have a Roleblocker.

Blargonaut & Lone_Prodigy
LuxCommander & Terrabyte20xx

 

[The Bear]

Updated:

So what we have so far:

Faddy & Malus - 3 shot town tracker. Lunched D1
Dr. Monkey & Vincent Alexander - Town chat scrambler. Killed N1.
AllThingsPurple & Launchpad - Scum 1-shot BP. Lunched D2
Geno & Terraforce - Town hated, lunched D3 (I'm so sorry :( ).
Zippedpinhead & EzekelRAGE. Scum ???, got outed for sad reasons, lunched D4 most likely.



Bear & Sawneeks - We town!

Hawthorn & jman1954goat - Town Back-up, became 3-Shot Tracker. Tracked Launch to Monkey.
TheChuggernaut & MrHedin - Claimed messenger, Zeke confirmed they received a message. Bearneek received one N2.
Salvapot & Nin - Claimed 1-shot Track Override, using it N2 to pick Baby Park. Claims to have vote stolen on D3. Seem to be confirmed town after the fuckery with Zeke.
Fireblend & Weemadarthur - Claims regular boring night vig. This claim stinks.
Sorian & Muffin - Claim to be masons with PolterFran. Polter confirms this. If we have 4 scum pairs, potential scums.
Fran & Poltergust - Claim to be masons with Muffian. If we have 4 scum pairs, potential scums.

Uzzy & Fanto - Claimed to have their vote be stolen on D2. Could be a gambit I guess.

??? - Chuggs sent a message to Sorian N1 but it went to Zeke instead. Switcher? Mirror?
??? - Vote Stealer still at large
??? - Scum have a Roleblocker.

Blargonaut & Lone_Prodigy
Verelios & Stuart

 

[The Bear]

forgot to put vere and stuart in there

 

[The Bear]

Now we wait for the flip. If it's RB, WeeFire will have no excuse to not shooting.

 

[The Bear]

How dare you make Crash scum ;____;.

 

[The Bear]

So there's the RB flip.

So, do we have one or two scum karts remaining?

And what will Weeblend do?

 

[The Bear]

I think we need a break after this.

VOTE: Daisy Cruiser

 

[Sawneeks]

im with you on that, actually. But I'd go for

Vote: Mario Circuit

and hope for a regular day. Daisy Cruiser moves objects around the map so I'm warry of it.

 

[Sawneeks]

Hrmph. Sorian/Muffin are clear for now since they have Polter/Fran on their side.

That really only leaves Weeblend and TerraCommander (StuVere) as possible scum. I'm leaning TerraCommander because of their weird null read on Zeke that no one else was really following at the time.

Lux #2622

Null:
Fireblend & weemadarthur - Weeblend: Terra and I got thrown into separate party chats with them. I didn't use it as much as I probably should have, and in large part that's due to how quick we got to the OpenScum flip on Launch & ATP.
Geno & Terraforce - Genoforce: Little too much fluff coming from Geno for my taste. Terraforce has mostly better in terms of substance.
Funky Dude Sparks & Poltergust - Sparkstergust: They've been here, but not really doing anything to really move the needle in my eyes. That's a hell of a lot more than Terrra and I have been doing though.
Zippedpinhead & EzekelRAGE - ZippedRAGE: Mechanically their doctor claim seems to check out, but I don' t know, something still feels a bit off. I'll have to revisit this on Day 5, since Night actions are a bust this phase.

Terrabyte #2918

lean town:
Bearneeks - active and investigative, puts a lot of good effort even if I don't always agree with the results.
Goathorn - the launch check gives them plenty of town cred in my eyes.
ZippedRage - definitely the weakest, mostly on the back of the doc claim, but I'm still wary of them.
Mr Chuggs - I like what I see from them, active and gathering information. A lot of gut is going into this read mind you, so while none of my reads are set in stone, they're behind ZippedRage in the volatility department.

reads like scum trying to hedge their bets on a teammate who will eventually get caught.


i will say though, good on ZekeZipped for the Doc fake claim. Doubt we would've caught them for a looonnngg time.

 

[Sawneeks]

Hell, maybe it's both Weeblend and TerraCommander. shrug

 

[Sawneeks]

what if those two didn't use their swapped chat as much because they were all scum anyway

 

[Sawneeks]

Hm, guess it could be Blarg/LP too but...they seem Townie. Blarg especially at the end here.

 

[The Bear]

Vote: Mario Circuit

 

[The Bear]

If we are NK'd, we should shoot Stulious immediately. Weeblend if there is only one NK (lol hydro canon v2).

Sorry Stulious.

 

[The Bear]

D1 eod:

Launch/ATP was at the Maddy-train.
Zekehead was at ChuggsHedin.

 

[The Bear]

I really hope either Stulious is town or we have two scum karts left.

Because imagine subbing into the game now with all of your teammates gone (one due to unfortunate fail) and your team being scumread widely.

I'd just consider conceding at that point lol.

 

[The Bear]

I wouldn't count out Fuzzy as scum yet.

 

[The Bear]

In the case we die tonight, we should prepare to shoot asap.

 

[The Bear]

I'm mostly preparing for it because if febe and wee are telling the truth, I could see them shoot us.

 

[Sawneeks]

But why? They'd have little reason to shoot us since they townread us. If they are town and aren't lying then a shot in us would be a waste.

With jthorn still up I'd wait to see if they caught anyone with a check. We have good guesses but a 100% catch would be even better.

 

[Sawneeks]

If we do die tonight...

Weeblend if there is no extra kill.

Stulios if there is?

Let me check who terracommander ended their vote on.

 

[Sawneeks]

Faddy, ok.

Yeah, stulios if there is an extra kill.

 

[The Bear]

But why? They'd have little reason to shoot us since they townread us. If they are town and aren't lying then a shot in us would be a waste.

With jthorn still up I'd wait to see if they caught anyone with a check. We have good guesses but a 100% catch would be even better.

Febe suggested we were neutral.

 

[Sawneeks]

If wee is town I don't think she would buy that. She'd know there is no reason for a neutral!bearneeks to counterclaim in that manner.

 

[The Bear]

If wee is town I don't think she would buy that. She'd know there is no reason for a neutral!bearneeks to counterclaim in that manner.

#lunchers

 

[Sawneeks]

What if scum have a double kill with them?

Doesn't explain why they go to stopping jthorn instead of killing them though..

 

[The Bear]

What if scum have a double kill with them?

Doesn't explain why they go to stopping jthorn instead of killing them though..

I guess we'll see soon.

Occam's Razor says we will see at least Jthorn dead.

 

[The Bear]

And really there should be no excuses for no second death, given that the RB is gone.