Ok finished typing my completed game into a Google doc. Which reviewer wants me to share it with them?
'Forbidden behavior' is a bit vague here but I think we can work out something with this and Ephi's suggestion below.Would something like:
"In general, do not enact forbidden behavior or encourage others to. For example encouraging a player who says them can't vote to "prove it" is not allowed. This can apply to any other restriction a game may have unless stated otherwise by the role or gamerunner"
not do it?
this is my case for "eliminate" too. Although "voted out" would be self explanatory and could also work
I'll see what I can do.
Tack it on to 13?
13. Players should not perform moderator actions in game, including using highlight text outside of voting, or issuing day-end/start commands, or calling for the modkill or replacement of another player. While we understand mafia can be an intense experience, and players may wish to discuss in-game moderation decisions with the gamerunner, once a gamerunner makes a decision, please respect it as final.
Encouraging other players to submit false or illegal highlighted game actions is also forbidden.
Players should not submit, or request that others submit, restricted commands for the purposes of proving statuses that affect them or restrictions they may be under.
Then it was my bad and I'll fix it o/I grabbed the rules from OM though?
Well, in my head when I made the suggestion I was simply thinking of... asking people not to talk about it.How would this gag order even work ?
There is nothing to stop you.What stops me from faking a read check to lynch the player of something similar.
he'll even Salvapot tunneling Zeke was enough to make me think Zeke was scum.
The first situation is something intentionally done and that everyone can see, you can infer away.If the problem with minor slips is that they colour a player's perception of the game state what is considered a slip?
For example I saw lokiduck had changed OM avatar in HvV2 and started to believe it was likely that she was in a secret chat (which was true), I never outed it while the game was on but it did colour my views, should I have been replaced?
A less comfortable example appeared in HvV3, Nin misgendered me in the cult chat and knowing he was apologetic Geno PM'd me to see if I'd be ok with him continuing to stay in the game (modchat then learnt of the situation and told Geno that Nin had to be replaced). While Geno told me that Nin had misgendered me in a PM I had enough experience via gamerunning to know that was almost certainly BS and Geno knew I did when he saw my posts. Should I have been replaced for the crime of being misgendered?
I'm certainly biased in both these cases but I feel it would be wrong to have replaced me on either one (in fact regardless of whether I'd be given pity via the theorized priority bonus I'm not sure I'd stay in the community for the second example)
All the underlined is what our rules actually are, just wasn't followed in this instance.If the reason occurred in a "private" chat then nobody in game (that was not in that chat) should have been informed of the reason for the replacement.
Even though you were the one wronged you simply shouldn't have been told why he was replaced out until game end.
Furthermore you also shouldn't have been asked if it was okay for him to play on. Whether or not to treat that instance the same as instances in the main thread isn't actually something that should have been put on you, asking you to decide to what degree an invalidation of yourself is valid doesn't really seem fair.
Plus if you're not told then there's nothing for you to infer game information from anyway and the "...so I know what you just said is bs" situation never even needs to be considered.
I continue to agree on slips. I think it has to be case by case. As for the other... OAT MILK. OAT MILK. OAT MILK.All the underlined is what our rules actually are, just wasn't followed in this instance.
I have a point which upon rereading my posts I realize I have completely messed up and can't figure a good way to work it so TLDR; Gamerunners need to always follow the rules and making a hard rule on slips is just going to cause more problems than it solves.]
Looking at my posts you may question what at all referenced this and the answer is: I'm trying to get as much animal produce out of my life as possible for my new year resolution and I haven't had tea with milk in days, I'm not coping, send help.
But ephi, what happens after you stop lurking and start making walls of text instead? there’s a book clubAlso can I join your discord please so I have a chance to prove I'm not really the obnoxious bossy wall posting person I'm currently appearing to be by being a complete nonentity there instead?
If you'd rather wait for now until you're sure Loki dumping me on you folks wasn't some form of curse that's fine of course
I'd be down for some among us and maybe some phasmophobia too!Okay, so, about this!
We do sometimes and there was one LEGENDARY game in which Rover did some truly wild biz, but they don't happen very often. We have channels and bots and everything. Sometimes people organize other one-offs, like we played Among Us a few times and suddenly a bunch of us are about to play Phasmophobia together because I started yelling at everyone on Discord to please come play with me. But it's never been an official organized thing. It just seems to happen sometimes when someone gets excited about a thing.
Personally, I love live mafia and will play if it's at a convenient time. We could run games on Discord or even on here if we wanted 1-2 day games. There's a ton of small setups we could just recycle over and over. The livemafia bot I think adjusts based on the number of players so we don't have to do anything at all there.
Fireblend probably did some sort of magic like he always does.related to the review thread but interesting.
In the last game I mentioned that OM and the Fireblend Voting tool have issues with my work computer VPN block list. (OM being listed as forum/unknown and Fireblend's tool giving an alternate control block warning). The last time I checked was before I left work on the end of year holiday (roughly day 2 Mario Kart to today)
However, as of today, when I clicked the link to this thread I was able to make it in. Was something done behind the scenes to remove those tags?
I think we can all be in agreement of that. I'll make my usual end-of-review-thread post with a wrap up of changes just to be super clear on it though.So it seems that when it comes to slip that everyone seems to agree that if the slip happens in a game thread, it's a slip and should be left as is.
Where we seem to disagree on is what about slips that end up in out of game threads and what to do with the players affected. I think everyone of us can agree that such cases should just be handled on a case by case basis as they don't happen that often especially with the plan to thread lock.
I still maintain that if only one person saw the slip we should lean towards replacement and use gag orders for most other cases (such as multiple witnesses or them refusing to replace out) when slips happen out of thread, but again not everyone agrees on that so we probably should just leave it up to the game runner and the watchers assisting to decide what happens when slips happen.
I'll be okay with that as long as we just make it a general rule that witnesses subbing out because the game runner asked them or they chose to aren't affected on their priority.
Yep.I think we can all be in agreement of that. I'll make my usual end-of-review-thread post with a wrap up of changes just to be super clear on it though.
I dunno who's in charge of that! Retro, probably.can we get the kanye shrug added to the smilies?
Rule 26 will now read:“13. Players should not perform moderator actions in game, including using highlight text outside of voting, using highlight text to submit false or restricted commands, issuing day-end/start commands, or calling for the modkill or replacement of another player. Encouraging others to break these rules is also not allowed. While we understand mafia can be an intense experience, and players may wish to discuss in-game moderation decisions with the gamerunner, once a gamerunner makes a decision, please respect it as final.”
Thanks again everyone! Then new OT should be up within the next day or so. :>"If a player is replaced or modkilled due to any rule-breaking or being under the minimum post count limit, they will have end-game priority when signing up for a spot in their next game"