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Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Yes. We're there.
Rats Off To Ya!
Oh, Rats.
Unfortunate that Fat4all left the game when he did. He did something I felt to be very scummy, and I felt like I was being guilted out of pursuing it. Midgame replacements are a tough thing to deal with.
Rats Off To Ya!
Oh, Rats.
Spoilered that, I guess scum team isn't common knowledge in this thread?
I have access to the scum chat, btw. Not sure if that's a mistake.
I have access to the scum chat, btw. Not sure if that's a mistake.
Rats Off To Ya!
Oh, Rats.
Scum made a gravely serious error today with the Prodigy vote. Town's got a decent shot of figuring it out if they can give up all their pet lynches.
ynnny
SPIDER
i gave u spec plus cuz it was an available category of spec
it has peekyboo at scummie's
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Yeah scum isn't common knowledge yet. Although it's pretty easy to guess now with all the hints.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Is Monkey actually scum then?
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Monkey, Girlofgotham, and Sawneeks are scum. All girls team. Muffin is a neutral. We're looking at a 3t, 3s, 1n Mylo endgame right now. Everyone remaining is basically vanilla.
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Rats Off To Ya!
Oh, Rats.
What is Muffin's win condition?
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Just survive til the end. If it becomes 3t, 3s, 1n, he can hammer with scum to win.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Hey, I’ll take being right on monkey. Her play felt more forced this time - like she was quicker to being defensive but also was trying too hard to explain why it was sensible for her to be defensive. I mayyybe would have gotten around to Saw as scum. I went back and forth on whether the interactions between Monkey and Saw were forced or not. Could’ve gone either way. I definitely felt GOG was just a newbie though and wouldn’t have lynched there so props to her.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
This is precisely why all investigations failed. Scum team has had her do all the kills because she's flying under the radar, and nobody has even remotely suspected her. Even if Sawneeks and Monkey get lynched, she could very well win this for them.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Yeah, unless there’s a slip or they make strange NK choices I just don’t see her getting lynched. Very well played.
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
I tried, guys.
Not going to spoil myself, but I think the scum team played pretty well.
Not going to spoil myself, but I think the scum team played pretty well.
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
Okay I had access to scum chat and spoiled myself. Meh.
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
Okay I actually was pretty close, but I probably would've chosen wrong had I survived until later.
I was wrong about Muffin lol but neutrals are always a tricky business.
I was wrong about Muffin lol but neutrals are always a tricky business.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
This is either going to be a very short day phase, or a very long one.
If Muffin realizes the position he's in, and scum trusts him, they can hammer a poor townie for the win quickly.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
On the other hand...
If Muffin doesn't realize there are three scum left, then this day phase is going to probably be very long and not in scum's favor.
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
I love the smell of a pre-typed post in the morning.
Rats Off To Ya!
Oh, Rats.
I really hope that lone Sawneeks vote just sits there for a while.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Tell me about it. :P
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
I get what Alexem is doing, but you don't vote off the bat in Lylo, no matter what.
Rats Off To Ya!
Oh, Rats.
I love the balls on him. This is the kind of offensive Town move that speaks to me.
I'm sorry for everything I said about you, Alexem.
I'm sorry for everything I said about you, Alexem.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
I think Fran misinterpreted Sawneeks's post. He took "my power isn't working" as "I have a power role and it's not working" instead of "My electricity in real life is not working right."
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
I like the move from Alexem. Get in early with a strong play rather than allow scum to try and coerce or muddy the situation. It is a 50/50 shot.
I like it not just because he is correct, but he has taken the power away from scum. If Muffin sits back then town has half* a chance because if Fran stops being stubborn they might get the lynches they need.
*waaaay less than half
*waaaay less than half
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
It's definitely a gutsy move.
In general, I've liked how all of the newer players have played this game, despite some missteps.
In general, I've liked how all of the newer players have played this game, despite some missteps.
I made the same mistake as Fran
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
I remember a game I played with Fran. It was live mafia.
I was the cop, he was the doctor.
We were down to the final three. I got a red check on the last scum. He saved me one night.
He voted for me.
I was the cop, he was the doctor.
We were down to the final three. I got a red check on the last scum. He saved me one night.
He voted for me.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
*glances at scum chat*
Reminder that there is a reason as to why we provide sample role PMs... : \
Reminder that there is a reason as to why we provide sample role PMs... : \
One of the scum team just blatantly outed themselves. I hope town picks up on that.
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Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
oh no
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
You know that part in The Shining when the police officer heroically enters the hotel in the penultimate Act and they have a gun to shoot Jack Nicholson with but they get an axe to the body instead spoilers for The Shining I remember? That's me this game, that's my The Shining
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
so Soph, who moved for Mafia (I'm assuming their Rope attack was still a Night-move) the Night I used Bear's shot? I'm dead to know
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
yeah so in between my demise and me gaining spec access, Soph asked me who I thought was Mafia:
"hmmm
Assuming 3 scum, I guess my final answer would be Sawneeks, Alexem and... I'd tentatively actually like to say Fran, but since he's apparently the only one to come forward as an ALLEGED ITEMS-relevant PR, I'm begrudgingly inclined to believe he's in fact so Town.
Of course, all this time Fran could've been capitalizing on Town's assumptions that there are kill-weapon item mechanics in the first place, shaping his claim around the need to reinforce Town's false item mechanic assumptions; those kill methods could totally be character signifiers too. Seeing how I died being literally figuratively backstabbed, I'd venture to say that Sawneeks' claimed Colonel Mustard probably killed me, due to that flavour-tasty military experience, hence the hunting-style knife kill? But that's far out there so I digress
Anyway, yeah so Fran's probably not scum...
With regards to Alexem, I feel like he's been TOO attentive and calculating, given his distance. Like, the other side of Lone_Prodigy's coin. Batch-style post drops, yet with a meticulously current knowledge of what's going on? Total lurker, yeah he's gotta be discussing in a scum-chat at that level. Then he goes off on this instant Sawneeks attack Today; I think he knows it's LYLO, and this is a massive manipulative Mafia manouevre. Mafialexem purposely moves to be the first to vote against Scumneeks; typical Town cries, "oh no no no we could be in LYLO, pls UNVOTE", that gives him an excuse to unvote Sawneeks and thereby subtly give off an air of "suspicions allayed, she's Town". Then they all move onto sone poor scapegoat or something all the easier
Sawneeks is Scumneeks. No doubt in my mind this game. I say this because of my entirely self-absorbed reasoning of that Scumneeks totally worked to undermine my 100% absolute read cred with crazy-labelling, not to mention that whenever I accused her of something then (purposefully) dropped it, she never really followed up on it like a Town-aligned would've. Only a comment or two and then nothing, as if Scumneeks was okay to let it all be forgotten. Which is a total scumtell
So I'd guess, and by guess I do mean guess because I really, really don't have a thought's bead on the ??? third... I'd guess Muffin to be the third scum? But this would be purely based on his dissonant Role-claim of Bulletproof, which really really doesn't gel with the current game environment for my long-prior stated reasons.
If Sawneeks doesn't go for a Muffin lynch Today, then I'd be totally correct about this.
so Sawneeks, Alexem and Muffin. Fran. Muffin."
Assuming 3 scum, I guess my final answer would be Sawneeks, Alexem and... I'd tentatively actually like to say Fran, but since he's apparently the only one to come forward as an ALLEGED ITEMS-relevant PR, I'm begrudgingly inclined to believe he's in fact so Town.
Of course, all this time Fran could've been capitalizing on Town's assumptions that there are kill-weapon item mechanics in the first place, shaping his claim around the need to reinforce Town's false item mechanic assumptions; those kill methods could totally be character signifiers too. Seeing how I died being literally figuratively backstabbed, I'd venture to say that Sawneeks' claimed Colonel Mustard probably killed me, due to that flavour-tasty military experience, hence the hunting-style knife kill? But that's far out there so I digress
Anyway, yeah so Fran's probably not scum...
With regards to Alexem, I feel like he's been TOO attentive and calculating, given his distance. Like, the other side of Lone_Prodigy's coin. Batch-style post drops, yet with a meticulously current knowledge of what's going on? Total lurker, yeah he's gotta be discussing in a scum-chat at that level. Then he goes off on this instant Sawneeks attack Today; I think he knows it's LYLO, and this is a massive manipulative Mafia manouevre. Mafialexem purposely moves to be the first to vote against Scumneeks; typical Town cries, "oh no no no we could be in LYLO, pls UNVOTE", that gives him an excuse to unvote Sawneeks and thereby subtly give off an air of "suspicions allayed, she's Town". Then they all move onto sone poor scapegoat or something all the easier
Sawneeks is Scumneeks. No doubt in my mind this game. I say this because of my entirely self-absorbed reasoning of that Scumneeks totally worked to undermine my 100% absolute read cred with crazy-labelling, not to mention that whenever I accused her of something then (purposefully) dropped it, she never really followed up on it like a Town-aligned would've. Only a comment or two and then nothing, as if Scumneeks was okay to let it all be forgotten. Which is a total scumtell
So I'd guess, and by guess I do mean guess because I really, really don't have a thought's bead on the ??? third... I'd guess Muffin to be the third scum? But this would be purely based on his dissonant Role-claim of Bulletproof, which really really doesn't gel with the current game environment for my long-prior stated reasons.
If Sawneeks doesn't go for a Muffin lynch Today, then I'd be totally correct about this.
so Sawneeks, Alexem and Muffin. Fran. Muffin."
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
Post #1595, Blargonaut said:
yep my subconscience hella intuited it but I didn't listen to me
yep my subconscience hella intuited it but I didn't listen to me
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Girlofgotham has been the only one acting for scum team. By the time you used your shot, everyone else was dead or had already fired.
For the record, the rope counted as a standard night action. So had you used it on her that night, you would have seen her act.
For the record, the rope counted as a standard night action. So had you used it on her that night, you would have seen her act.
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Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
yes this is what I'll tell myself
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
wow they did/are doing a really, really superb job of pretending not to know each other, gotta say
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
I've never liked the "avoid your teammates entirely" when listing off your top scum. That, and the whole "scum team must be smaller" could backfire too.
The whole Alexem shenanigans is keeping town from seeing I basically solved the scum team already. Problem is that I put Alexem on there. Oops.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
The only way it doesn't go that way is if Zook comes in with a vote on Sawneeks first.
At this point town should be wondering why Sawneeks hasn't voted for Alexem. It is LYLO, they must know this, so if Sawneeks hasn't been turbo'd to keep up her town persona she can deduce Alexem is scum.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
They’re too busy listening to the scum team that all conveniently think he’s scum.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Fran is finally solving things which could be good but the failure of fully realising the turbo situation is kinda of bad.
He has worked out it is highly unlikey Alexem and Sawneeks are team mates, but hasn't put together one of them must be scum.
My gut is now he votes Zook and ends the game.
He has worked out it is highly unlikey Alexem and Sawneeks are team mates, but hasn't put together one of them must be scum.
My gut is now he votes Zook and ends the game.
Rats Off To Ya!
Oh, Rats.
Oh, great. They're talking about the day one vote again. The one where it was nothing but Town in contention.
Even while I was in the game I strongly felt that there was nothing valuable to find there. And now I know it to be true.
Even while I was in the game I strongly felt that there was nothing valuable to find there. And now I know it to be true.
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
We were so close on D2.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
This is rough to watch. I can understand their struggle too. When it goes down to the wire it can be hard to let go of the points in the game that stood out to you most, mainly because you feel like it’s now or never essentially.
Sorry again Sophia lol
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
I'm not surprised by the outcome to the day phase so far, but I do hope town turns it around and doesn't hand scum a straight victory.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Not really. It finished 6-3 and was never much prospect of flipping onto Sawneeks with the record Deva had.
And if there was ever proof that gambits were bad this is it.
Rats Off To Ya!
Oh, Rats.
I regret not voting Sawneeks to save Deva. I felt like there was a bias toward her based on her reputation and I foolishly gave her a pass to correct for it.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
The fact that the entire town team missed...
... blows my mind.
Monkey's DOUBLE SLIP-UP where she admits to having a power role description despite claiming vanilla AND the description of a dead player
... blows my mind.
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
Well they've also not looked at who's left, why Blarg died, previous reads, etc.
Except through my gambit I figured out 2/3's of the scum team based on two game days and the assumption there was 4.
It's all good. Not a single person has even gone back like they promised they would to revisit my posts so they are the ones at fault for it.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
The whataboutism that Sawneeks is using here is incredible, and town has (so far) eaten it up wholesale. I legit want to write an article on this now, maybe once the game is over.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Good for you. Didn't help town did it? Please remember Mafia is a team game.
Also did you really catch 2 scum...A couple of posts an hour or so from day end
You got 1 out of 4. Actually a worse ratio than the 3 out of 11 scum you had to find. Plus town reading Monkey.
Let's see if you narrow it down
Zook or Fran. No scum there.
Trying to ally with 2 scum.
Also your scum reads just happen to be people who voted for you and your town reads were people who were backing your play. You played yourself right into scum hands.
It really feels that no one is actually trying to read back and find inconsistencies. There's so much stuff they could pick up on.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Fran and Alexem are trying a little bit, but the thunderdome situation Alexem caused isn't helping him anymore especially because he unvoted. Muffin has no reason to try, because he wins if scum win. He just has to not get lynched here.
I had no idea about Muffin's role. Yeah... They're in such a hard place right now. Fran is the only one who can turn this around, then.
... But Sawneeks is being masterful. She took advantage of Alexem's gambit and now no one's even talking about her not voting yesterday. Crazy.
... But Sawneeks is being masterful. She took advantage of Alexem's gambit and now no one's even talking about her not voting yesterday. Crazy.
Final post of the game...
So through your wording I had 2 out of 5 guessed, which would have been a good enough ratio to even guess the neutral. You also have to take in to consideration that Monkey had been in for only half a day phase and I was suspicious of her. I'll admit that GoG surprised me, she played quite well for a newer player. Even though I did touch on the fact that her play style was more benefiting for scum than town.
Yes. Mafia is a team game but as town you are unaware of who is on your team.
It could have helped town if they weren't stubborn enough to just disregard everything that I posted based solely on not liking the way I played. Mafia, while an emotional game, is a game you have to remove your emotions from.
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
Hell, just from ME being Night-killed, they should be able to surmise that I was hitting close to home
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Guessing 5 players out of 11 are scum is useless. All you are doing with that post is saying there is scum on your lynch which is sort of obvious with half the player base on you. If they lynch down your list, Grizzly(Blarg), Zook, Fran then the game is over before they even get to Sawneeks.
And trying to claim credit for guessing monkey is LOL. You have several posts where you are clearly town reading her, then she voted for you so you throw out a possible scum read at the last minute. Your play had absolutely no nuance or subtlety. Scum were people who voted against you, that was your only read.
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
super tragic
The only one alive I see possibly catching that is Alexem, but he doubts himself too much, and I'm afraid he wouldn't know what to do with it even if he does catch it. He needs to believe in his own magic
Rats Off To Ya!
Oh, Rats.
This is an element of this game I've been working on recapturing. My first two games were by far my most successful, because I just went all in with whatever I was thinking at the time. I was often wrong, or right for the wrong reasons, but you can't argue with results.
The last few games I've played I just second guess myself too much and end up following the thread without even posting because I don't feel like I have anything to say.
It's something I need to work on. The Deva situation on Day One was mostly me trying to find the old Rats, but I overdid it a bit and it made me doubt myself all over again.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
I definitely hear you on this. I feel like I've gotten worse as a town player over time. Still kicking myself over Love Boat 2 and not figuring out the scum team until it was too late.
Rats Off To Ya!
Oh, Rats.
This is my seventh time in a row rolling Town. I think there's a degree of alignment fatigue involved.
I'd love to be scum. The one time Town ever lynched me I had to beg them to do it.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
Yeah I haven't rolled anything but town since Werewolf. Almost everything I've rolled is vanilla town. The two times I rolled something other than vanilla, they were both passive roles that saw no real action.
Rats Off To Ya!
Oh, Rats.
The best role I ever had was being Lovers with Droplet. We used our private thread for all it was worth. We probably posted there more than we did in the game thread, and dwarfed the post count of both scum chats combined.
That's a big thing I've never been able to adjust to since. Mafia is a fundamentally different game when you have to do all of your theorycrafting out in the open.
That's a big thing I've never been able to adjust to since. Mafia is a fundamentally different game when you have to do all of your theorycrafting out in the open.
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
I actually had fun this game. Sure the result wasn't what I wanted, but I've been NKed as town for being too perceptive so I had to step on a few toes along the way. Plus looking back and realizing that I gave scum some trouble and guessed mostly right is sort of vindictive.
Now I just have to figure out how to play more actively as scum. :P
Now I just have to figure out how to play more actively as scum. :P
Rats Off To Ya!
Oh, Rats.
I found this game a little frustrating to play in. It never really felt like Town was working together on anything, just everybody chasing their own leads before deciding on the least controversial lynch. I'm not excluding myself from this criticism.
The most fun I had was our last minute Fran train. We would have been wrong, but at least that lynch would have been interesting.
The most fun I had was our last minute Fran train. We would have been wrong, but at least that lynch would have been interesting.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
This game was a little frustrating to watch too, not helped by the fact that I realized on Day 2 that it was a bit too imbalanced in scum's favor. Scum team also has some super strong players in it.
Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
Ugh sort of close I suppose. But after some early pressure on Sawneeks you were mainly after Fran (in my reading) and your usual amount of vote switching basically scuppered your chance at your argument winning the lynch the next day. You were asking to be killed by claiming a PR and bragging you were immune due to meta. Smart to let you live a day and allow town to be over you.
Yeah unvoting was a huge mistake. I guess being a newbie he doesn't fully grasp the implications of his vote being on Sawneeks that long in LYLO. And you pretty much nailed Zook earlier as being useless in the late game because he just disappears.
Alexem did the right thing, made a read and voted. It is Fran and Zook that are messing things up by being overly cautious. Zook just wrote a post where he said he doesn't think Alexem is scum but somehow hasn't figured out where he needs to vote. It is all very frustrating watching people not make a decision.
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
C'mooon Fran. Make this all come tumbling down (tumbling down... (tumbling dooown....))
Rats Off To Ya!
Oh, Rats.
Fran is so close.
Rats Off To Ya!
Oh, Rats.
I swear to fucking god, if they lynch Zook today...
Android Sophia
Miss Congeniality
ZOOK NOOOO ;_;
Scum team be like:
Scum team be like:
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Faddy
of, having, or involving transitory whims
And now he has lost because he refused to actually commit to an idea.
Lone_Prodigy
Am I at 10 posts yet?
Aww Fran remembers his live mafia history. It's okay, we've all been in mylo/lylo and chosen poorly.
NX
Rats Off To Ya!
Oh, Rats.
This is the way the game ends. Not with a bang...etc.