Scum Thread Phantom Troupe
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SalvaPot
YEAH
Good point.
SalvaPot
YEAH
We might make it today, kyaa is the one that might actually develop into a train (And if I'm honest if I wasn't tunelling on Sorian, and I was town, hard right now I'll be tunneling kyaa next).
That is why i'm pretty much ignoring you right now, lol.
SalvaPot
YEAH
malus is really smart, he could easily come back last minute with a great post and start a train in someone else. But if the votes are there Blarg can sticky them, if he is eager to use that.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
I’m honestly not sure what Sorian is getting at.
I dunno, but we might want to consider taking him off the field somehow.
SalvaPot
YEAH
We know he is not a specialist, since he said that, so he is not totally broken.
But he got the type of role he wanted, and its weakness was to be investigated but coming up as something other than town.
And he said he can show what his role is without a semblance of doubt by the mid game.
If what he is saying is true, then he has some type of mayor ability. But the problema with that is that no one would actually check a mayor ability. When the gamerunners confirm you, it confirms you.
So then.. if its a scum like ability... then he can either kill or manipulate other players into killing. But then how killing will make him seem town unless he actually kills a scum player? But if that is the case, why would anyone investigate him anyway?
So I think is not investigating his alignment what he is afraid of, but his role description. He has a role that by itself would benefit scum more than town, so in a way a reverse situation of my own boost skill.
Honestly I'm going in circles in this one, but my conclussion is that, because he is exposing himself this early, he wants to be targeted by us because he is confident he can talk himself out of any situation. I think getting him lynched is the best choice.
SalvaPot
YEAH
If we night kill him, it would have to be Blarg. And he runs the risk of losing his chance at shenanigans. I could just shoot him with your ability in the day, lol.
Damn, I wish I could have tried to make a protective role at first to see with how much I could get away with, I feel they'll be able to revenge kill.
Damn, I wish I could have tried to make a protective role at first to see with how much I could get away with, I feel they'll be able to revenge kill.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
Sorian Snorian.
1) A typical high reward role that is credible when claimed.
2) A role that mod-confirms its alignment when hit / killed during night.
3) D3-D5 activating scan 3-4 persons and see if there is scum among them type of a role.
4) On-demand mod confirm.
5) He is bluffing.
1) A typical high reward role that is credible when claimed.
2) A role that mod-confirms its alignment when hit / killed during night.
3) D3-D5 activating scan 3-4 persons and see if there is scum among them type of a role.
4) On-demand mod confirm.
5) He is bluffing.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
Feel free to hit me if you want to.
SalvaPot
YEAH
I don't need to, I'm ending this game by reading through the thread and quoting post from all of them, then making a impressions read list, but towny salva's heart is on Sorian and won't move the vote from there.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Yeah, from a town perspective I think it would make more sense to hold it for D3 with the basis that scum reads would be more firmed up by then and there'd be additional info. I could still just use it for D2 and claim I didn't want to risk being NKed. I'm wary of claiming ascetic BP ITA whatever because if someone else went for ascetic BP and got denied I'd potentially out myself as a liar.
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
Complete disclosure isn't mandatory you know, if/when the time comes you don't have to mention all your Role-modifiers
Also, there's really no need to worry about Role-claims conflicting. Each of us is a snowflake forged in shadows
Also, there's really no need to worry about Role-claims conflicting. Each of us is a snowflake forged in shadows
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
As long as I live long enough to use my power I can be bussed to oblivion if needed. I'm just going to keep trying to avoid bussing any of you. When I die I don't want to have cast a single vote for any of you, just because it's the opposite of how I usually play as scum.
SalvaPot
YEAH
I'll be honest, I'll be eager to use my power as soon as possible. I think everyone is.
SalvaPot
YEAH
Royal backed you up, you should be safe. I need to read on you and stuart.
Oh god this is exciting. I'm sure Sorian would have targeted me tonight.
Wait, why does he think we won't be laughing for long...
Hang on, do you think he had the same idea I did? He uses a day kill to steal someone else's power? It would explain why Sorian and why now. Sorian framed himself as having a strong power, if Stu had a power steal skill like me they could have wanted to take it. It would also explain the harsh restriction on the day kill, but it would likely make the bulletproof claim false.
Hang on, do you think he had the same idea I did? He uses a day kill to steal someone else's power? It would explain why Sorian and why now. Sorian framed himself as having a strong power, if Stu had a power steal skill like me they could have wanted to take it. It would also explain the harsh restriction on the day kill, but it would likely make the bulletproof claim false.
SalvaPot
YEAH
I want to speculate on it but I honestly think he just panicked and is now just trying to stay alive. He probably does have one more ability and I doubt is a vest.
SalvaPot
YEAH
LMAO I think we are doing great, I'm also doing a bit with you, we are very convincing I think.
What. A. Day.
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Would suck if he's not bluffing about the BP. He's also at least for now a wagon candidate.
SalvaPot
YEAH
I have 5 shots.
I shot a target to give them a boost. The target picks the type of Boost, once its chosen, no one else can choose it. They are in no rush to choose the type of choice the want, but if they take too long someone else might beat them to it.
So I have no power over what my target wants, all I can choose is who I want to target first, then second, etc.
So if I were to target you today, you can choose what you want later. But if I shoot another player and that person chooses something, and you haven't choose your boost yet, you won't be able to choose the same boost.
I get notified every tme someone chooses a boost.
This gives me an idea of WHAT TYPE of ability they might have.
And also, whoever I shoot gets a notification that they got to play gungi with a girl and they weren't distracted in any way.
So I also got a way to claim if neccesary, with people backing me up.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Switcher is only useful if we explicitly think one of us is going to be targeted. We should probably look back through at some of those role breadcrumbs to see if they give us any ideas on who to take out.
Just looking at votes my gut says to go for Monkey, Geno, or Vere.
Just looking at votes my gut says to go for Monkey, Geno, or Vere.
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
Okay, conspiracy time:
Might I first direct your collective attention towards post #948 in game-thread posted by one Sorian in which he tells Muffin, "I'll be back"
There were some other things I noticed posted that seemed like Sorian attempting coyness but the gist is that I don't think he's really dead
Deeper; it took our gracious host Fran approximately 23 minutes after Day-end to post turmoil's Role-flip, and in the end he's just a 2-shot Switcher?
And this Role-flip contains flavour text that is actually relevant to the game's Hunter x Hunter theme? That's some shit
Do we honestly believe that anybody here actually cares enough about the game-theme "Hunter x Hunter" to type up some in-universe explanation for how their Role fits in with the lore? That flipped Role of turmoil's is so obviously a bake.
I think there's some Janitor-ish variant ol' switcharoo shenanigans afoot up in that Role-flip shit
Might I first direct your collective attention towards post #948 in game-thread posted by one Sorian in which he tells Muffin, "I'll be back"
There were some other things I noticed posted that seemed like Sorian attempting coyness but the gist is that I don't think he's really dead
Deeper; it took our gracious host Fran approximately 23 minutes after Day-end to post turmoil's Role-flip, and in the end he's just a 2-shot Switcher?
And this Role-flip contains flavour text that is actually relevant to the game's Hunter x Hunter theme? That's some shit
Do we honestly believe that anybody here actually cares enough about the game-theme "Hunter x Hunter" to type up some in-universe explanation for how their Role fits in with the lore? That flipped Role of turmoil's is so obviously a bake.
I think there's some Janitor-ish variant ol' switcharoo shenanigans afoot up in that Role-flip shit
SalvaPot
YEAH
I feel like Geno is like Regigigas, just bidding his time before steamrolling over us. But his imagination scares me.
Monkey I feel might be protected tonight or would make her role something that can't counter a target, she knows she is a big town target and probably planned accordingly.
I like how vere plays and yes, I agree he would make a good target too.
Franconp
Frank
You have 2 powers. 1-shot investigate and 1-shot switch. Once used they are lost. If you didn't used your shot and someone else dies during the night phase you must select 2 roles and the other one will be lost.
Franconp
Frank
Vote tool died again and I had to do the final count by hand. Also the extension messed up with work as I had some things to do.
Right, so I can only use two stolen powers the whole game, yes?
Yeah, I thought it was odd that they had a character in their role and we don't.
SalvaPot
YEAH
I... and he is still talking in the thread and Fran has made no effort to shut him up.
You might be onto something here?
But even if so, so what? How would Sorian know he would be targeted and killed? His lack of flavour is suspicious, sure.
Right, but I have access to his power according to Fran. So he has to be dead.
SalvaPot
YEAH
I have a character in my role, my role is 90% based on how to make my role work. It just seems that is not enforced so the game might be more enforceble.
Moriel is a great character but I don't know how it works with a switcher. Because of his shadow clones, I guess?
SalvaPot
YEAH
I guess that is that then.
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
Secondly and more pertinent to myself; who should I STICKY Tonight?
Refresher: What my STICKY Power does is that I mark an individual so that whoever votes against them, is stuck voting against them for the entire Day and can't unvote or move their vote off.
Anyone in particular this might be most effective on for Tomorrow? I was thinking stu, Sawneeks or Dr. Monkey.
Alternatively, I could STICKY myself; I can always dispel it off myself by self-voting, so I wouldn't be in too much danger.
Refresher: What my STICKY Power does is that I mark an individual so that whoever votes against them, is stuck voting against them for the entire Day and can't unvote or move their vote off.
Anyone in particular this might be most effective on for Tomorrow? I was thinking stu, Sawneeks or Dr. Monkey.
Alternatively, I could STICKY myself; I can always dispel it off myself by self-voting, so I wouldn't be in too much danger.
Franconp
Frank
You will always get the last 2 roles. Each role it will be only 1-shot (if they are x-shot and they are all used you don't get more shots). If you have 2 powers and someone else dies you have to discard one and only keep 2.
Everyone was free to add any flavour they want.
SalvaPot
YEAH
You have been doing a great work so far, don't sweat it.
So every night I get a new power to use?
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
SalvaPot
YEAH
You should stick a player that people like to vote to provoke. I don't think sticking stu would make a great idea since people already suspect him and if he is also stickied people would assume he is town, maybe?
I think sticking monkey would be hilarious.
Honestly you should just stick who you feel works best, since I know you want to play this role into a big claim later in the game, so if you just go with your gut you can blargxplain it better.
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
aha don't mind me, Narf; we do indeed appreciate your diligence
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
B-Dubs role is so good if it’s a rolling double backup like Fran explained. That’s awesome.
Blarg - I think sticky whoever you want. I honestly don’t even know what to expect once people realize what is happening. Will no one vote that player? What if they seem super scummy? If you do it to yourself I 100% think people will assume the power originated from you for what that’s worth.
RE: Monkey - she never gets NKed, I doubt she invested too much of her power into self-protection but it’s possible. I just think we need to kill outside of the turm wagon and getting a strong player or at least someone we think may have a strong role would be good.
Blarg - I think sticky whoever you want. I honestly don’t even know what to expect once people realize what is happening. Will no one vote that player? What if they seem super scummy? If you do it to yourself I 100% think people will assume the power originated from you for what that’s worth.
RE: Monkey - she never gets NKed, I doubt she invested too much of her power into self-protection but it’s possible. I just think we need to kill outside of the turm wagon and getting a strong player or at least someone we think may have a strong role would be good.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
I think there is a ton to discuss here. My own things:
1) 1 bomb out I only blow up in response to a red check.
2) More bombs = full on paranoia mode daily and any credible role threat is something I'd like to act on because guns are my natural enemy. Not sure how to handle D3 in the best case scenario, but we can think about that when we get there.
3) I'd like suggestions on who to bomb. I'm thinking of a protective network type of a fake claim - I add people to the network making them all 1-shot bp while in it, network dies when anyone gets shot and I lose my power then - so my personal preference is something that combines being my town read, someone who we want to kill in the #future instead of now and I swear there was a third factor to consider but I can't remember it now.
4) The third factor was that bomb targets shouldn't be reliable future lynch candidates either as we don't want the bombs wasted. I myself think that the best fit is Donna right now.
1) 1 bomb out I only blow up in response to a red check.
2) More bombs = full on paranoia mode daily and any credible role threat is something I'd like to act on because guns are my natural enemy. Not sure how to handle D3 in the best case scenario, but we can think about that when we get there.
3) I'd like suggestions on who to bomb. I'm thinking of a protective network type of a fake claim - I add people to the network making them all 1-shot bp while in it, network dies when anyone gets shot and I lose my power then - so my personal preference is something that combines being my town read, someone who we want to kill in the #future instead of now and I swear there was a third factor to consider but I can't remember it now.
4) The third factor was that bomb targets shouldn't be reliable future lynch candidates either as we don't want the bombs wasted. I myself think that the best fit is Donna right now.
SalvaPot
YEAH
We also have to think on who are letting live since we are giving them a gun tomorrow.
So many things to take into account, lol.
Franconp
Frank
aha don't mind me, Narf; we do indeed appreciate your diligence
Yes. Each player only gets one command.
I think we want to avoid someone who suspects us. Also, someone who very heavily scum reads someone who isn't us.
SalvaPot
YEAH
Ok, so:
Blarg can sticky or faction kill.
SalvaPot can boost or kill
B-dubs can investigate 2 or swap 2, or kill
Kya should put a bomb.
Natiko should guns out
Blarg wants to sticky
B-dubs should swap two targets to either serve as a pseudo protect on one of us (I'll say Kya so he can bomb and avoid checks and a town player) or to mess with town's checks (Town on town).
I can do the kill since my role also benefits from dying, and my boosts are cool but are still boosts and you guys don't seem to need them yet.
Blarg can sticky or faction kill.
SalvaPot can boost or kill
B-dubs can investigate 2 or swap 2, or kill
Kya should put a bomb.
Natiko should guns out
Blarg wants to sticky
B-dubs should swap two targets to either serve as a pseudo protect on one of us (I'll say Kya so he can bomb and avoid checks and a town player) or to mess with town's checks (Town on town).
I can do the kill since my role also benefits from dying, and my boosts are cool but are still boosts and you guys don't seem to need them yet.
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
hmm, nobody really chased Dr. Monkey with votes against her. I do ideally wish to STICKY a "B-lister" of Suspicionwood, so to speak; somebody in the Goldilocks Zone of irritating, not enough to be voted out but enough to be played with by the others like a dartboard whilst they figure out who to really kill.
How about Geno?
How about Geno?
SalvaPot
YEAH
I'll rather kill Geno now than sticky him. We know he is town and we know he is dangerous.
Blargonaut
SCUM UP!
poop and there's the factional kill to consider too, of course.
I think the best candidates amongst us to execute it Tonight is either myself, Natiko or B-Dubs...?
I think the best candidates amongst us to execute it Tonight is either myself, Natiko or B-Dubs...?
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
If we want I can use my power tonight just to minimize the chances of bombs being shot I suppose. As for people to tag I would agree Donna is a good choice, alongside Aeleus and Royal.
The beauty is both are two target abilities, so we could have you do the switch and if forced to claim down the road say you did the cop. The downside is if the switch does anything useful that’s probably bad for you which sort of defeats the purpose. Ultimately your role feels like one you’ll openly claim as a town power at some point so we need to identify the best way to use it for our benefit while leaving wiggle room to explain why Town you did it.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
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