Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
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hate you guys
Because your job is to kill scum. Town will die; it's unavoidable. But you know you're town. That is your one piece of absolute knowledge.
I'll be honest. I looked over one of your mega posts, found it reaching, and then I didn't really read the others...
Then again, you pretty much tunneled on melon the whole game, and that seemed really silly to me given that there were other stronger scum candidates basically every day.
Then again, you pretty much tunneled on melon the whole game, and that seemed really silly to me given that there were other stronger scum candidates basically every day.
@Splinter @heymonkey Roger that! I thought my strategy was good but I guess if it's statistically never beneficial to town to do so then my reasoning was all wrong then.
Thank you for all the explanations and tips guys <3
Thank you for all the explanations and tips guys <3
Yeah I was convinced melon was a scum (poor girl) and I definitely need to apologize again for my tunnel on her. Maybe I should read the spoilers about the scums and see if my tunnel on brazil was wrong too.
Actually let's go for it, who are the scums? Can someone spoil me please?
cabot
Why.
Your Brazil tunnel was right. I don't know if how that game would have played out if there wasn't the mod kills. My gut says it probably goes the same way though with Blarg, Swamped and Brazil still alive. We would have probably not done mass claim today and lynched GoG.
Freaking brazil I knew it, I have been saying it forever!! Swamped though I would not have guessed it at all
Nah, tunneling the crap out of each other is a MafiEra tradition. Welcome to the fold!
cabot
Why.
Assuming Include gets modkilled but no one else, you still had 2 mislynches I believe, barring GoG successfully blocking.
7 vs 3 -> ML
6 vs 3 -> NK
5 vs 3 -> ML
4 vs 3 -> NK
3 vs 3 -> Game Over
Town have been in a bad way for a while, I don't think you would've won had the modkills not happened.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
From our game players that were almost lynched can be good targets too. That can clean up a lynch because scum will usually be really active when a teammate is on the line and can be very passive if none are. Gotham is maybe an odd example because she has a PR, but she's still been a lynch candidate for a really long time. Clearing people like that early can be wise though you should always go for town.
Yeah, I'd say it's all about what you're doing and what fits. You may be prodding a player and wanting to summarize your thoughts etc.
It's sorta a bad byproduct of the meta right now. Last minute votes are kinda inevitable with a set deadline, but lately we've had a lot of games with very few votes so when the deadline comes a lot of people suddenly put down their votes.
In my second scum game way back one of my teammates was getting a few votes near the lynch and one thing that caught me out was pulling the lynch towards a townie. In this game however there have been very real few candidates, the only exception being D3 where L_P's claim suddenly cleared two players. Most players never gained more than two votes where they're not in much danger.
Sorian mentioned this phrase once, but there's something called CFD (chinese fire drill, slightly racist...) which is when votes at the very end of a day change rapidly. For that to happen though you need a lot of active players at the deadline, but it is a strategy you see sometimes if people feel a lynch is "too easy" which can be a sign it's a town lynch. It can be helpful in seeing where people wanna put their votes and makes it really hard for scum to put down safe votes. You can sorta see this with Sorian being such a sudden lynch that we had nobody voting for him until I thought we maybe had a tie and tried to look good saving the day lol
The best way of reading someone is usually to see them analysing the players. It doesn't always work, but just staying put on your case, trying to convince those on your tail you think are town and attacking those you think are scum etc. is usually the best answer if you're a lynch target.
It's demoralizing, but it may get them to look over your stuff again after you flip. We're really bad at that though. So many times have I read a game after it's finished and see so many dead townies posting valuable reads that I ignored. We were terrified if people were going to look back at Verelios' posts:
https://www.resetera.com/posts/3414602/
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
Yep, 2 unecessary mislynches in a row (although the first I would blame on Kyan)
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Turns out me dying is a really good strategy :thinking:
Hey rac <3 I am currently reading the spec chat and I appreciate all the love you were giving me and I am really glad to know that someone actually read my posts too!! Thank you so much for the support :D
It's unfortunate that I went harder for melon than brazil though and it's even more unfortunate that I got myself modkilled as I was preparing to attack him harder (as he was my last standing scum) and convince faircure about him since she seemed less set on her reads as a newbie, me and melon teaming up on brazil would have been a nice change of pace for sure. Really too bad I messed up.
You have so many players in a game that size. It's really easy for scum to just play passive. There was a lot of passive players in that game, very few active. In terms of activity, Brazil and Swamped were about at the same as LP had been, Stanley, etc.
(This is why I always push for lynching the most inactive people)
cabot
Why.
Stan was a weird one for me, he should've been a lynch after Ty I think. More a personal read than anything, I feel I can read Stan pretty well and he was really not engaged with this game at all.
He's improved a little since, but yeah I'd be scumreading him pretty hard back at that point. Begin tunnel.
He's improved a little since, but yeah I'd be scumreading him pretty hard back at that point. Begin tunnel.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. And his whole "Brazil and Nicole are top of my list" was like ??? Dude you're inactive and barely contributing anything to the game. Can you be surprised or angry when people go for you? When I reviewed and found he didn't even add Blarg to his bad list or push for Blarg despite being sus towards him, that seemed possible that Stanley was scum.
rac
whatever
yeah getting caught in a tunnel is hard but at least you had one scum in yours and its not like everyone else didn't have a tunnel either
and i wouldn't worry about the modkill, just a little mistake
i remember in my first game i was so paranoid about breaking that rule i didn't even want to claim
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
What's different in his town play? I feel like he is often passive as town.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
The trap is to get too invested in them and waste a lot of time you could use reading players you have less of a read of. A lot of people will play a middle-ish role as scum that makes them almost invisible to a lot of players.
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Totally this, I fell for that
Imagine if in D5 I had backed down from GoG when her lynch wasn't happening and gone against my other scum leans
Who were your other scum leans?
Also I'm really not sure why people had you pegged as scum
@Ty4on Oh, wow. This is so hard... I am not sure I would ever be able to manage it to be honest, it's too many things to consider while at the same time trying to keep up with the thread, playing enough to not get mislynched yourself, and avoid doing mistakes!!
I am so bad at multi-tasking! >_<!! I read your explanation twice and I am still not sure I understand how to apply it properly on our game yet.
The Vere post I completely overlooked... Now with hindsight it was so true and on point!! You guys played so well as scums, really well done :) (Though I am sad you never got to see my mega post about you, I would have enjoyed arguing it with you^^).
I am so bad at multi-tasking! >_<!! I read your explanation twice and I am still not sure I understand how to apply it properly on our game yet.
The Vere post I completely overlooked... Now with hindsight it was so true and on point!! You guys played so well as scums, really well done :) (Though I am sad you never got to see my mega post about you, I would have enjoyed arguing it with you^^).
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Vice versa flipping from me to Sorian when you saw my lynch wasn't likely that day was a pretty good move.
In that case you scum read both of us lol, but that has caught me out sometimes. It can also be good for optics; until I flip it hypothetically looks like you avoided voting for scum.
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Before Kyan's claim I was scum leaning on Brazil and Swamped :p(besides kyan and GoG)
"Honoring the dead" to put it in Blargs words
Prediction for tomorrow:
Swamped will do kill command and not RBd
Melonrabbit is killed off. She's a passive confirmed town for some reason, but still confirmed town.
Hom3land tunnels on GoG
Brazil and Swamped push for Stanley
GoG pushes for Stanley to "save" herself
Stanley pushes for GoG probably
Faircure isn't confident enough in her reads to push for anyone.
End result: GoG lynch vs Stanley lynch with the last second train determining who gets lynched
Swamped will do kill command and not RBd
Melonrabbit is killed off. She's a passive confirmed town for some reason, but still confirmed town.
Hom3land tunnels on GoG
Brazil and Swamped push for Stanley
GoG pushes for Stanley to "save" herself
Stanley pushes for GoG probably
Faircure isn't confident enough in her reads to push for anyone.
End result: GoG lynch vs Stanley lynch with the last second train determining who gets lynched
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Chinese fire drill thing? That's not something we've really done here. A lot of this is strategy for people way more experienced and skilled than me who've been playing for years. It's a lot to take in when you've just played your first game haha
In games I can be as clueless as anyone. I've tunneled hardcore on Sophia in a few games now (once I lead the lynch against her on her birthday...), but she was always town.
While it can be hard for scum, Chinese Fire Drill with last second claims is equally confusing for town. The last second claims that game really pissed me off.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
I think we may get a no-lynch unless they don't agree it's mylo with 2 scum remaning.
It's 6-2, if you agree on a no lynch scum kills one at night (in some games they're forced to kill every night, but usually they will either way) and it's 5-2 with one less town and a higher chance of lynching scum.
For those who don't know the terms:
MYLO is like 6-2 when you can no-lynch, but a mislynch still loses (mislynch and lose)
LYLO is like 5-2 where you have to lynch and have to be correct (lynch or lose)
That's the reason most games have an odd number of players so they end up in a lylo rather than mylo.
If I didn't get myself modkilled and people were OK lynching brazil of course I would have changed my vote! It's however true that I am not good at convincing people about my reads, in brazil's case I put my analysis on him since D1 and kept on adding on it afterwards but I never seemed to be able to convince anyone to tag along.
I think part of it was my bad "slip" read on Terra and then the melon tunnel, and people (scums amoung them) discrediting me about them made it so I wasn't very believable anymore on my reads regardless if I had good points or not.
I was so convinced it was OK though! I even badly remembered reading someone doing it on another game.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
What I'm speaking of is usually initiated by players and not claims.
Something like: "Hey I'm really not feeling this lynch on X, let's all vote Y instead"
Brazil and Swamped will push for a lynch
I don't see Hom3land or GoG realizing it is MyLo. Stanley probably does but he is barely active. Faircure might, but I doubt she can convince others even if she does.
On her birthday?! Woah, I am laughing so hard! Thanks for sharing this story, I am not feeling as terrible for tunneling poor melon.
Can you guys recommend me your favs games (or most famous ones) so I can read them and learn?
On the buffy game, I am pretty sure mafia will kill melon tonight. GOG is still not trusted, brazil and swamped are in good position. Most likely scums will win it unless a miracle happen with a new PR claim in favor of town.
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
This was my third game, I have played Berserk(Role Madness, Brazil's and DCPat fisrt game too, co-moded by Stan), and you already know of B&T
Berserk has a super confusing situation happening on D2 and D3, won't spoil it if you want to read, I find it quite entertaining but I am biased lol
https://www.resetera.com/threads/berserk-mafia-ot-ceremony-of-the-eclipse.3712/
Berserk has a super confusing situation happening on D2 and D3, won't spoil it if you want to read, I find it quite entertaining but I am biased lol
https://www.resetera.com/threads/berserk-mafia-ot-ceremony-of-the-eclipse.3712/
cabot
Why.
He usually is pretty intuitive, bringing up points a lot of people miss and his opinions tend to be strong and against the majority, though usually well reasoned. He's usually around close to deadline (if not there at it) whereas this game he's not really picked up anything, has only shown up at deadline when he was dying and again just doesn't seem as engaged as he usually is.
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Depends of how sensitive you are to spoilers I guess
The roles are characters with descriptions that can spoil their personalities and actions, the game has a mechanic that can be considered a spoiler, there is a plot twist in the game resemblant of a manga plot twist, and it is mentioned like that.
I wouldn't risk it if you are sure you will read the manga someday, but that is me
The manga/show is terrible. I'm not sure why you would want to waste your time with it anyways. :P
(Pls don't shoot me)
(Pls don't shoot me)
turmoil7
Imperial Corps Commander Who Cheers the Army
Is console wars worth rereading? I haven't looked at it at all beyond who won.
cabot
Why.
Overwatch I think.
Ouch
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Ending? Please no :(
My first game and it taught me to look away when I was killed.
Not sure of that lol
I'll see if I can find some when I come home. Mini Mafia isn't that long, but quite entertaining. It's a semi open game so I suggest you read the mechanic for choosing roles here:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9++
Basically there are a few standard roles and the moderator makes random draws to pick them and depending on how many scum team is then changed.
The game can be found here. I've linked to day one start to jump all over the spoilers that are in post 2
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/mini-mafia-i-ot-why-is-it-so-small.1251705/#post-211338588
Franconp
Frank
No. Was another one. I think Dangan 3. But not sure.
In Overwatch he spent a day just spamming always the same gif.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Anything with Blarg in it is worth reading tbh
game recommending time <3
even though both were already mentioned, I have to second them:
absolut best game ever: NX
it's total madness
(uh, the awesome banner is gone ...)
another crazy good game: Harry Potter
but I'm biased here
even though both were already mentioned, I have to second them:
absolut best game ever: NX
it's total madness
(uh, the awesome banner is gone ...)
another crazy good game: Harry Potter
but I'm biased here
I was suspicious of him on D1 after his rac vote and pointed out the inconsistencies of it alongside brazil and LP.
I tried as hard as I could on D3 https://www.resetera.com/posts/3711336/ with summing up everything that point out to his scuminess, it 's unfortunate that I couldn't stay longer online as I would have voted for him, but even so I don't think anyone would have followed me since they all went for Sorian anyway.
D4 I was basically fighting/arguing with with Ty until he got killed and I warned people not to trust him.
My problem though was that I am bad at pushing votes and the lack of free time to keep arguing and having to go away before the day end doesn't help either.
Yep, the mega post of death that nobody read (sometimes for good reason!)! Still salty I didn't get to post another one about Ty on D4 before you killed him.
Shoot
Thankies, I may start with love boat since the concept seems cool.
I got stances out of nearly everyone including you (not swamped though... meh). There weren't even 24 hours left. Ty's flip was going to bring more info and I wanted to have enough time for town to process this.
It turned out we didn't really go anywhere afterwards, but I thought it would be best this way.
Anyone thoughts on the timing of the vig shot?
I thought your timing and reveal were super cool! Like damn, it was so exciting to read. Loved it all.
I'm not sure how much your tunneling would've worked if turmoil wasn't tunelling me too. I think it was the combination of the 2 of you that led to my lynch.
Splinter
Lord of Volcano Island
Include is a prodigy, y'all. She's calling it all. You're going to ruin her by making her read all these old wild games.
YES YES YES YES
YES YES YES YES
Because I already had this link handy from the other day, this is possibly my favorite part of any game from the NeoGAF era.
Kingkitty was a "Gossip Arsonist," which was a gossip who doused players when they were invited to his gossip chat. His goal was to ignite and kill everyone one he had four players in the chat.
I love reading through this again and again :D (your link is a page too late though, the fun starts at p4)
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I also love how scum is really nervous this night phase. Sympathetic, they deserve to win.
Kyanrute
kyan-rute
QUOTE="RetroMG, post: 10949, member: 1"]Because I already had this link handy from the other day, this is possibly my favorite part of any game from the NeoGAF era.
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That's awesome. I can't find the game thread. Do you have a link?
Kingkitty was a "Gossip Arsonist," which was a gossip who doused players when they were invited to his gossip chat. His goal was to ignite and kill everyone one he had four players in the chat.
That's awesome. I can't find the game thread. Do you have a link?
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
Holy crap, I think you’re right lol That’s such a bad look. RIP if anyone notices it
<3
it's a great game, with all ups and downs ~ and most importantly the best theme ever, really looking forward to buffy 2 ~0~
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Yeah, the first game had to be cancelled due to things going south on D1 so they instead made it into an entirely new game.
I haven't read it all, but from reading parts of it I think it should be worth reading if you have the time. One very famous moment in it :P
and yes, neglecting confirmed town melon in a readslist, is okay-ish
and we have this:
tss, no one reads megaposts
and we have this:
tss, no one reads megaposts
Sawneeks
little green dog
@Include Nobody mentioned it when talking about Megapost but even though people don't usually read them they make you look SUPER Townie. It's basically free Townie points if you make it thought out.
What I'm basically saying is it helps a bunch when you play Scum because you can just Megapost, have people not read them, and then get Town read for it.
They eat it up every time. :>
What I'm basically saying is it helps a bunch when you play Scum because you can just Megapost, have people not read them, and then get Town read for it.
They eat it up every time. :>
lol, now we have empirical evidence
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Ignoring this part for argument's sake
It's something I really don't think matters much when you think about it. A scum making that post is quite quickly going to make the connection and add something about their kill target.
Wifom IMO either way.
Sawneeks
little green dog
also don't listen to either of these terrible people. ; _ ;
but if you do read them, you have to check out Love Boat 2 for the 'Town Hooker'.
Ty4on
The 4 is silent
Sawneeks
little green dog
No idea, but I'm sure whoever they are is a wonderful person and absolutely is never Scum.
Sawneeks
little green dog
To be fair people Scum Read Blarg even when he is Town, he's kind of a weird outlier.
cabot
Why.
For someone that is not scum, faircure did pretty damn well to appear scum.
Not mention melon, instantly put a vote down in a situation where you absolutely shouldn't.