Game Thread Power Rangers Mafia | The Community Park Where All the Monster Fights Happen

[Pink Ranger]

Maybe. Would you?

In the hypothetical world where I am your team mate I would have planned this exact conversation between us.

Looks pretty bad for you!

 

[Tommy]

In the hypothetical world where I am your team mate I would have planned this exact conversation between us.

Looks pretty bad for you!

I wouldn't listen.

 

[Trini]

How are you feeling about Blue right now?

Not too strongly either way. I truly think most of my future reads are dependent on what Jason flips. I'll admit that's a bit too tunnel to be helpful to town. My only other big concern was Red but the case against him isn't too strong.

And then there's business with Black and Zordon, but I don't have enough to go off to really make a solid read.

 

[Zordon]

Walk me through that, Trini- while Jason is a big question mark he’s not the only one so if Jason flips town, where’s that take you? If scum? Why is he the key to unlocking, especially with only one day of votes in the bag? And if you know it’s a tunnel why tunnel?

I find Jason’s move from trust to scumread on you an eyebrow raiser but he’s working slightly more today. Just can’t tell if he’s just working a convenient angle.

 

[Zordon]

And where oh where is Black Ranger? Or Billy? Where are your reads, @Billy?

 

[Black Ranger]

And where oh where is Black Ranger? Or Billy? Where are your reads, @Billy?

Asleep.

 

[Tommy]

What's the problem with Jason?

 

[Black Ranger]

He said the strategy was to engage and ask questions.

Yup and while you're right about the problems with it, My thoughts on stuff changed after D1 so I threw that away.

 

[Black Ranger]

Billy is flying under the radar too easily as well. It's easy to pick up on people who are posting but Billy has been under the radar so much with such general observations before disappearing again. It's hard to be certain of feelings when someone isn't posting.

I remember saying if they didn't show back up and actually engage before the end of the day phase, I'd vote for them and since my vote is on them currently, I'm not moving it.

 

[Trini]

Walk me through that, Trini- while Jason is a big question mark he’s not the only one so if Jason flips town, where’s that take you? If scum? Why is he the key to unlocking, especially with only one day of votes in the bag? And if you know it’s a tunnel why tunnel?

I find Jason’s move from trust to scumread on you an eyebrow raiser but he’s working slightly more today. Just can’t tell if he’s just working a convenient angle.

If Jason flips scum his comment about White and I suddenly become a lot less innocent. And then I'd start focusing on the people who didn't vote for him.

Jason isn't the only big question mark, but he's the one I personally am most interested in. We have a few low posters that might be worth looking for, but I don't go after low activity when I think I can get an actual scum.

 

[Trini]

What's the problem with Jason?

T

 

[Bulk]

I'm here. I have so much to read through =/

I saw some people mention my late vote on Goldar yesterday. I switched ~10 mins away from the end of the day because I either stayed in a dead vote position or hopped onto the vote that was 100% happening and I thought I'd go with the active option rather than the passive one and hopefully it'd yield some reactions. Not that it did, beyond some eyebrow-rising apparently.

 

[Trini]

What's the problem with Jason?

To summarize:

1. He made a vote that seemed to be purely out of self preservation. Then said he voted like he did because he trusted me and White Ranger. I found that to be suspect.

2. Today he went from townread on me to scumread on me... also his post and vote for me were made very shortly after I voted for him. To me that seems a bit OMGUS. And the posts he quoted from me as explanations for why his read changed seemed... not very good

 

[Zordon]

If Jason flips scum his comment about White and I suddenly become a lot less innocent. And then I'd start focusing on the people who didn't vote for him.

So half the game suddenly becomes suspicious? I can follow the first part but the second seems like throwing yourself into a deep hole for no reason, especially since people had to weigh RL against voting on d1.

And if it ends up a Goldar situation and like ten people vote for Jason, you will only look at those who don’t? Surely someone would bus regardless.

I just struggle with links this early. Feels manufactured. Whatever Jason’s alignment I don’t see him as the key to the game. Not with the way the thread is limping. Too many unknowns and yet you seem so certain.

 

[Bulk]

So half the game suddenly becomes suspicious? I can follow the first part but the second seems like throwing yourself into a deep hole for no reason, especially since people had to weigh RL against voting on d1.

And if it ends up a Goldar situation and like ten people vote for Jason, you will only look at those who don’t? Surely someone would bus regardless.

I just struggle with links this early. Feels manufactured. Whatever Jason’s alignment I don’t see him as the key to the game. Not with the way the thread is limping. Too many unknowns and yet you seem so certain.

On the one hand, I agree that we can't make definitive links 3 days into the game and we can't be 100% certain that Jason is scum right now, but on the other, links made during the early game are just as valuable as the end game, IMO, even if they don't become evidently useful if we lynch scum early on in the game. I'm struggling to decide whether you're criticizing Trini's attitude or the potential links one could make if Jason flips scum, from the perspective we have now, which I think is a bit pointless.

 

[Zordon]

Bulk, it’s more that I find Trini’s certainty and tunnel vision forced. Maybe I’m wrong. It it feels like reaching dressed in faux logic. Of course if Jason is flipped and is scum there are connections. But lookig only at people who didn’t vote for him seems very limited especially if you say it in the thread. That’s like yelling SCUM COME BUS NOW.

I’m very concerned too about the lack of movement. Feels a lot like day one and that didn’t end so well but as I said earlier maybe I’m just paranoid.

 

[Zordon]

Why didn’t you save me from those typos, autocorrect?

 

[Trini]

So half the game suddenly becomes suspicious? I can follow the first part but the second seems like throwing yourself into a deep hole for no reason, especially since people had to weigh RL against voting on d1.

And if it ends up a Goldar situation and like ten people vote for Jason, you will only look at those who don’t? Surely someone would bus regardless.

I just struggle with links this early. Feels manufactured. Whatever Jason’s alignment I don’t see him as the key to the game. Not with the way the thread is limping. Too many unknowns and yet you seem so certain.

It isn't like this is a Sherlock Holmes story and Jason's flip is the final piece I need to solve it.

It'll just get the ball rolling for places to look, for me anyway. I can work with other flips though. But I'd like to go after scum preferably.

 

[Bulk]

The way I see it, Trini is one player. If you think the rest of the thread would go along with her post-scum-Jason-lynch strategy then sure, panic, but eh.

About the lack of movement, I legit believed we'd start the day phase later than it did and I think some thought so too. It does suck that scum might as well have taken advantage of that to justify their lack of activity today.

 

[White Ranger]

What's the problem with Jason?

My issues with his play are laid out in these two posts: #1129 and #1138

I'm calling it here: I've reached the point where I'm just spinning my wheels in the mud and its far too late at night for me to start over.

The read on Green Ranger is easy; while being present a fair bit he really hasn't had all that much to say. His biggest exchange of day 1 revolved around the following post:

I don't know how many other people feel like this but the lack of known names was never going to make me change my mind about lynching D1. I've never picked a lynch on D1 because of past behaviour so this game wasn't going to be any different.

While I do agree with Green Ranger in the discussion that came from it, this and pretty much his entire post history so far just seems completely null to me. I don't see anything that sticks out to me as suspicious, but on the other hand he hasn't really done a whole lot to help town along either. I'm hoping to see more from him later today/next phase, otherwise I'll have to ask myself why he's been like this.

However, the read on Trini presents more of a problem to me. Similarly to Green Ranger I see alot of her posts as NAI, but not really for lack of substance. There certainly is a bunch of posts that are either plain one-line responses or miscommunications/misunderstandings, but my main issue with drawing a solid read out comes from the fact I can't pin down an alignment off her substantive posts. Her focus on finding links between players in order to begin solving the game seems odd to me, but not so odd as to just be a different playstyle and mindset. Even what I think is her scummiest play, the reasoning behind voting for Blue Ranger, still nags me in that I don't really think it is necessarily a scummy standpoint to take, merely one I strongly disagree with. I do stand by my thought that if Jason flips scum then Trini is unlikely to also be scum, however no longer think that Jason flipping Town would paint her as scum any more than it would anyone who had campaigned for Jason's lynch (such as myself).

Obviously this means that the Black Ranger read isn't coming today as I'm about to head off for sleep. I will say that while his day 1 seemed to town-lean for me (pending full re-read), today his unwillingness to provide receipts for Zordon and his scum list that was devoid of any actual evidence have stuck in my mind. Neither are a good look in my eyes, as it could suggest that his posts and reasoning in day 1 didn't actually matter to him (as if they'd been constructed rather than naturally thought out) and that he didn't have a whole lot to show for it (which would align with the theory of his arguments not mattering to him). On the other hand, he may well have not cared to search back for receipts for Zordon while he was so inflamed and I don't think it fair to completely condemn a player based on a single bad turn. Black Ranger remains my highest priority for a full read going into tomorrow.

 

[Zordon]

I am not feeling great about my understanding of the game so far and am gonna do some rereading and see if I can make a new list going into day end.

 

[Black Ranger]

today his unwillingness to provide receipts for Zordon and his scum list that was devoid of any actual evidence have stuck in my mind

Just gotta answer this once and only once.

1. I don't feel like I have to prove myself when I'm sure others may disagree with my 'receipts'. If you think most of my posts are fluff, you can vote for me and I won't argue or defend myself because I feel my posts prove it. If you disagree that is fine but lynching me will only serve to hurt Town.

2. The scum list is mostly gut feels like I said so I have no evidence.

 

[Bulk]

Just gotta answer this once and only once.

1. I don't feel like I have to prove myself when I'm sure others may disagree with my 'receipts'. If you think most of my posts are fluff, you can vote for me and I won't argue or defend myself because I feel my posts prove it. If you disagree that is fine but lynching me will only serve to hurt Town.

2. The scum list is mostly gut feels like I said so I have no evidence.

What do you think of Jason, Black Ranger? Sorry if you've already chimed in on them, I haven't re-read the thread yet.

 

[Black Ranger]

What do you think of Jason, Black Ranger? Sorry if you've already chimed in on them, I haven't re-read the thread yet.

Honestly, I'm null on them. The only thing I'm suspicious off has already been mentioned (the random trust post from Jason) but that alone isn't enough for me to suspect them. Maybe they felt people wouldn't take kindly to self preservation as a reason for gave a random reason. Maybe they actually did trust Trini and White on D1, I don't know.

But I've not felt scummy vibes from Jason but can't say I feel town on them at all. So null.

 

[Bulk]

Honestly, I'm null on them. The only thing I'm suspicious off has already been mentioned (the random trust post from Jason) but that alone isn't enough for me to suspect them. Maybe they felt people wouldn't take kindly to self preservation as a reason for gave a random reason. Maybe they actually did trust Trini and White on D1, I don't know.

But I've not felt scummy vibes from Jason but can't say I feel town on them at all. So null.

So, per your scum list, you have no opinions on the current vote leader or anyone who's on that vote. Out of the 4 of those in that train, are you suspicious about anyone in particular? (Yellow Ranger, White Ranger, Trini and me)

 

[Zordon]

Feeling like sitting on Black Ranger while I reread is not helping anyone much so I'm going to switch here to see if it summons the slacker, though I don't feel great about voting with Black

vote: Billy

And to amend my earlier read on Rita, I will say that in ISO I find her dropoff in activity combined with what feels mostly like a repeat of day one (outside of lynch/nk talk) a little suspicious but not enough to make me scumread her. Moves to a null more like.

 

[Black Ranger]

So, per your scum list, you have no opinions on the current vote leader or anyone who's on that vote. Out of the 4 of those in that train, are you suspicious about anyone in particular? (Yellow Ranger, White Ranger, Trini and me)

Yellow. Think it was because of how they kept trying to move things to Finster D1. Even when a train was fully on someone else "It's not too late friends".

Between the 4, Yellow is the one I would want to take a closer look at/keep an eye on.

 

[Alpha 5]

As usual, a couple new pages have popped up while I was asleep.

It doesn't look like anyone really agrees with my reasoning. That's fine, but what bothers me is that it feels like a lot of people are scum reading various people like the Red Ranger, but never putting down votes to back up those scum reads. Why make scum reads at all if half of you are just waiting until the last couple hours to bandwagon?

 

[Black Ranger]

Why make scum reads at all if half of you are just waiting until the last couple hours to bandwagon?

In fairness, sometimes people scum read several people and don't know who to choose and would rather wait til nearer the end incase their mind gets changed or something like that.

 

[Kimberly]

Just gotta answer this once and only once.

1. I don't feel like I have to prove myself when I'm sure others may disagree with my 'receipts'. If you think most of my posts are fluff, you can vote for me and I won't argue or defend myself because I feel my posts prove it. If you disagree that is fine but lynching me will only serve to hurt Town.

2. The scum list is mostly gut feels like I said so I have no evidence.

My problem here is that you're still the most vocal in the pack and when you go "hmmm, I dunno about these people. Not sure why, I just don't trust them" with a collection of people who had (mostly) been Town-leaning for a few players, you're planting the seeds of doubt for the people who are either struggling to keep up or not paying as much attention.

Other players are being criticised for not being thorough or explaining themselves enough and I'm fairly lost as to how you're getting away with consistently acting like this. It was similar to on D1 when you had people hanging on for who your big scum feel was and it was someone you already had your vote on.

You're making a lot of noise but you're not actually saying much.

Vote: Black Ranger

 

[Kimberly]

I'm only just settled at home after work so I still have a lot of reading to do.

 

[Blue Ranger]

Blue, what did you mean by this?

Exactly what I said, if you thought I was scum and saw Finster wasn't taking I'd assume you would put more pushback into my lynch. But you didn't, you just dropped it soon after someone mentioned scum was probably on the train.

 

[Alpha 5]

In fairness, sometimes people scum read several people and don't know who to choose and would rather wait til nearer the end incase their mind gets changed or something like that.

I mean, I do understand that. But it feels like there are people who have been listed on the scum lists of multiple players who rarely pick up votes because no one is taking the initiative on pushing them.

I don't actually disagree with the two current vote leaders: Jason and Trini. However, I am worried that we are letting a lot of potential scum candidates slip by without much pressure at all.

 

[Blue Ranger]

Not too strongly either way. I truly think most of my future reads are dependent on what Jason flips. I'll admit that's a bit too tunnel to be helpful to town. My only other big concern was Red but the case against him isn't too strong.

And then there's business with Black and Zordon, but I don't have enough to go off to really make a solid read.

Question, are most of your Jason reads dependant on who did and didn't vote for him, or is there something else? Seems odd to say that's your biggest link right now.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

AHHH!!! AFTER TEN THOUSAND YEARS I'M FREE

IT'S TIME TO LYNCH TRINI CONQUER EARTH

brb, catching up what i missed while napping

 

[Zordon]

Here is everything Green Ranger has done today. He was an earlier vote on Goldar day 1 and prior to that had voted Billy and Yellow, and both votes had very light to low reasoning. What I'm seeing here is a lot of coasting. Almost all of the posts are about day end and the nk and yet comments later as one of the ones trying to shut down later discussion on Finster. I'm leaning to possible scum play here but again we have so many people just drifting through the thread that it's hard to make any real determination on which of the coasting players could be scum. Point is though I see no substance here at all, and Green Ranger even acknowledges there's no scumhunting but where is the improvement after? When is the improvement going to come?

Spoiler

I didn't expect Finster to die. They had some attention on them so it would have been better to keep them alive and push for a lynch. Unless scum saw them as a threat for whatever reason.

As for that vote yesterday, I thought the pile up on Goldar happened way too quickly but dismissed it since he did basically paint a target on his back with his actions. So, it seems reasonable to assume that scum are in on that vote. Well, less of an assumption and more a fact since majority was 10.

The votes that stick out the most to be are

red ranger (Voted Goldar to push more people to 3 votes)
alpha 5 (Didn't want to switch initially because they wanted to avoid a rush of votes. In reality there was 30 minutes left.)
bulk (Justified it as wanting to turbo to 'annoy the mods')

Black Rangers vote sticks out as well but I'd need to reread their posts on Goldar first.

Right now, based on the votes, Red Ranger looks the worst to me. We'll see how the day evolves.

Vote: Red Ranger

I voted after Goldar did his weird vote stuff. That was what pushed me towards him in the first place.

I hadn't really looked at Billys posts today but those are some nothing posts. I wouldn't lynch them right now but I'd consider it if they continue like this.

I'm not going to respond to a single vote on me. I see no reason to unless the justification is so bad that I want to clear it up. Though it wasn't in this case.

As for the later comment about my lack of scum hunting. That's a valid criticism and something that I aim to improve on.

Did you mean to quote posts here? Or does 'these posts' just refer to the defense comment?

I feel like most of the players have came to that conclusion. I wouldn't use that as an argument against Zack.

And yes, I agree that this Finster discussion is largely useless right now. It makes sense at the start of the day but at this point, it just feels like people trying to find some easy point to talk about to appear active.

 

[Skull]

Sorry for disappearing. Rough day right now. Had the time to catch up but still in a rush, so I’ll just day what’s on my mind right now and can answer any question later if need be.

The thread is moving at a snail’s pace right now, mostly due to the presence of a lot of inactive. I don’t think we can have that for much longer, since I find it hard to believe we don’t have at least one scum in that low range post. I’m not sure if I can say this is dead air, but it’s making me second guess myself.

Even so, I think we should follow the lead we have from D1 vote mess. I made a analysis of that earier today and it lead me to the conclusion that we hit some good votes into scum yesterday.

 

[melonrabbit]

==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

jason (4 votes)
trini - #999 #1001
bulk - #1018
yellow ranger - #1128
white ranger - #1138
trini - #1141

trini (3 votes)
zordon - #893 #1034
rita repulsa - #936
jason - #1143
zack - #1175

billy (2 votes)
black ranger - #1093
zordon - #1226

black ranger (2 votes)
rita repulsa - #857 #900
pink ranger - #1076
zordon - #1090 #1226
kimberly - #1230

red ranger (1 votes)
black ranger - #860 #1093
green ranger - #862

green ranger (1 votes)
zordon - #1034 #1090
alpha 5 - #1125

trini [\highlight] (0 votes)
jason - #1142 #1143

skull (0 votes)
rita repulsa - #900 #936

Post Counts:
black ranger: 53 trini: 44 rita repulsa: 42 zordon: 41 pink ranger: 28 kimberly: 26 skull: 23 zack: 20 red ranger: 16 alpha 5: 15 blue ranger: 14 jason: 12 white ranger: 10 billy: 8 bulk: 8 green ranger: 8 yellow ranger: 5 tommy: 5 sawneeks: 4 melonrabbit: 3

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

 

[Pink Ranger]

I mean, I do understand that. But it feels like there are people who have been listed on the scum lists of multiple players who rarely pick up votes because no one is taking the initiative on pushing them.

I don't actually disagree with the two current vote leaders: Jason and Trini. However, I am worried that we are letting a lot of potential scum candidates slip by without much pressure at all.

I think this is a valid point. But I am comfortable with the people who are getting suspicion today.

What I have seen is 4 people who voted on Trini yesterday have vote on Black Ranger today. Me, Kimberly, Zordon and Rita.

Then we have this post

Also since we're early in the game in general, here are my gut read for scum:

Zordon
Rita
Red
Kimberly

I'm almost sure one of those are scum but outside of Red who is on peoples radars, I don't have much outside of feels.

Null on most others but I feel like Tommy and Blue are town but with Tommy being replaced, who knows how their replacement will make me feel.

Again, gut reads, nothing tangible to back it up. But if I had to give reasons: Zordon has been read as mostly townie by others (apart from Rita which also makes me suspicious that they are scum partners with Rita creating distance early on so people wouldn't think both are scum).

Rita: Her RP style with gifs aplenty seems like a great way to cover her being scum up. Also like I said, her interaction with Zordon. People might think "Townie having fun" but I think people should really be wary of it.

Red: Just his contributions overall is making me lean scummy

Kimberly: This one is actually pure gut feels. I couldn't really give a reason. I do kinda think that if Rita or Zordon are scum, she probably is as well. Just the interactions between them. Can't quite put my finger on it so it's really just #feels

Naming 3 of my town reads in this list. But also voting not for any of those 4 but for Billy.

I really want to know who Black Ranger thinks is town because we see this game completely opposite.

 

[Bulk]

Sorry for disappearing. Rough day right now. Had the time to catch up but still in a rush, so I’ll just day what’s on my mind right now and can answer any question later if need be.

The thread is moving at a snail’s pace right now, mostly due to the presence of a lot of inactive. I don’t think we can have that for much longer, since I find it hard to believe we don’t have at least one scum in that low range post. I’m not sure if I can say this is dead air, but it’s making me second guess myself.

Even so, I think we should follow the lead we have from D1 vote mess. I made a analysis of that earier today and it lead me to the conclusion that we hit some good votes into scum yesterday.

Second guess yourself regarding what? You haven't voted at all today, so that kinda tells me you have no strong opinion on who we should lynch right now.

 

[Black Ranger]

But also voting not for any of those 4 but for Billy.

I've stated why I'm voting for Billy. Try and get her to show up and say something worth me taking my vote off of them.

Just over 3 hours to go and nothing.

My vote is staying on them for this.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

I've stated why I'm voting for Billy. Try and get her to show up and say something worth me taking my vote off of them.

Just over 3 hours to go and nothing.

My vote is staying on them for this.

well

it's better than voting for someone with two posts

like you did last day phase

 

[Black Ranger]

well

it's better than voting for someone with two posts

like you did last day phase

Pressure vote to get someone to show up. They continued acting in a scummy way until the very end

Not sure why that is a hard concept to grasp but

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Pink Ranger]

@Black Ranger who are your strongest town reads?

 

[Zordon]

Pressure vote to get someone to show up. They continued acting in a scummy way until the very end

Not sure why that is a hard concept to grasp but

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There's not five or six scum in this game so I think people are just trying to separate your actual scum reads from your inactive reads from your OMGUS reads

Not sure why that is a hard concept to grasp but

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Pressure vote to get someone to show up. They continued acting in a scummy way until the very end

Not sure why that is a hard concept to grasp but

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

here, this is for you:

 

[Black Ranger]

@Black Ranger who are your strongest town reads?

Tommy and Blue. Just don't feel like they are scum.

 

[Zordon]

here, this is for you:

lol
I think voting for inactives who are also scummy is a legitimate strategy. Plenty of scum around here using coasting as a strat. We might wear costumes but that's still a community meta. But yelling at people who get on you and then voting for one inactive while ignoring all the others is sketchy.

 

[Skull]

And, right now, Jason’s lynch makes the most sense to me. His contributions today have been bad, like others have already pointed out better than I can, and between him, Blue and Trini he’s the scummiest.

He flip flopped both days with his reads or otherwise didn’t feel sincere at all. I get the feeling he doesn’t really seem interested in moving the thread forward. I don’t mind if a player plays defensively, if at the same time he tries to find holes in the accusations and views other angles. Jason so far doesn’t seem to do that, content with just rolling with it.

VOTE: Jason

 

[Skull]

Second guess yourself regarding what? You haven't voted at all today, so that kinda tells me you have no strong opinion on who we should lynch right now.

Sorry, couldn’t finish what I was going to post then.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

gotta say, i really like this zack guy.

picking up the stuff that i miss on trini today

 

[Zordon]

Right now, my main town read player is Zordon. I don't feel any scum vibes from his posts at all.

I want to say I lean town on Rita but you're right, it has a lot of flavor attached and we haven't heard from her recently now that more players have shown up so I'm rather interested in seeing where she stands now.

I admit, I'm not leaning one way or the other on many players right now but I am leaning scum on a few players as well and Goldar happens to be one due my previous reasoning but the majority of players I'm currently neutral on though I am taking notes on players I should keep an eye on.

Right now, Zordon is the only one I feel good about. Possibly Rita but again, need to see more before I can lock her into my town read list.



Feeling mostly Neutral. I certainly don't think his sudden unvote is indicative of anything but I am keeping an eye on him now and we'll see what happens after the first flip of the game.

Can we talk about progression here?
What all has changed to move you from town to scum on me and Rita and from neutral to town on Tommy, who was absent most of this phase and has now been replaced?

 

[Rita Repulsa]

jason is really starting to feel like the new goldar, tbh

the only vote i really like on it is the white one's vote

the rest all give me baaaad mojo for some reason.

 

[Pink Ranger]

gotta say, i really like this zack guy.

picking up the stuff that i miss on trini today

Any interest in the fact he didn't vote Trini yesterday but is hardest for their lynch today?

 

[Alpha 5]

To clarify my comments on Jason and Trini, I think there are good arguments about both of them.

For Trini, I can't shake the feeling that the Goldar push may have been done to save her from a lynch. I was slightly town reading her yesterday, but now I am less sure of that now. A lot of the other players have been making good arguments about her.

As far as Jason goes, the main case against him has been his erratic and inconsistent reads on people: reading them town one moment and scum the next. Now, I didn't think his Day 1 activity was necessarily scummy so much as haphazard. However, his sudden and poorly-explained changes in reads and such continue to be head-turning.

Neither player is my strongest scum read. However, it feels like no one here will be satisfied unless one or the other is lynched. Still, if one of the two (or both) flips scum, I think it is worth looking into the Red or Green rangers for pushing the Goldar vote on Day 1.

 

[Kimberly]

Okay, I've had the chance to give Jason a read over. There isn't one cohesive line of thought here. Jason is all over the place. First of all, yesterday's vote:

Rita that Megazord gif has me rolling over here.

vote: Blue Ranger

I trust White ranger and trini, I like their reasoning and think its sound. This is where I stand right now.

Claiming to trust White and Trini enough to follow their votes is odd. I was watching Trini at the time and was too caught up in why she was all "hey, what have I done to earn trust" but now looking at Jason's behaviour today, this seems to be a pattern from Jason (more to follow, bear with me)

Now for my top scum read: trini, The more Trini posts the more it sounds like scum trying to weasel their way out. I’m not sure enough to drop a vote, but the posts are only leading me to scum read Trini

well White Ranger, My day 1 reads have changed. Heck my reads from earlier this day phase has changed. Rita never really responded to me on why they believe Trini is scum, but after rereading the thread It is these posts that led me to Scum read Trini. The defense between voting for her vs voting for Goldar doesn't come down to "I'm town, don't vote me out" it comes down to "that's a cowardly vote, you are scum". Which strikes me the wrong way, when I believed Trini day 1 it was before seeing those. Now I'm convinced she is scum

Vote: Trini [\highlight]

^Votes Trini immediately after Trini votes him^

In all seriousness, my scum reading of Trini changed after I read day end, I went from trusting Trini to not. Trini doesn't trust me and thinks I am scum, and reading their posts, especially what I read as a non-defense defense.

^Attempts to justify not trusting Trini after trusting the day before^

Thanks! I saw it now This post. And it still makes sense. even more convinced now. Trini is scum.

Something about Jason's Trini vote reeks of OMGUS. He voted her right after she voted for him. And then spent the rest of the day becoming more and more convinced. The weird thing as well is that he seemed to reach out to Rita (who is also on the verge of a Trini tunnel and he knows this) to ask why Trini. but then didn't even see Rita's response (which had links and did seem to justify Rita's approach to Trini) and complained about Rita's lack of said reply. Then when it is pointed out to him that Rita did reply, responds "oh yes, definitely scum".

Kind of felt like he was only calling out Rita in an attempt to get someone to back him up on this. Like he wasn't actually that fussed about the response, just needed someone to echo his thoughts. Not convinced on this need to look to the votes of others to justify his own.

Now to decide as to whether this is scum behaviour or just poor decision-making on Jason's part.

 

[Zordon]

Doesn't change how it's suspicious doing it right after someone said there is probably scum on that change. But with the way you did it, makes me think you and blue might be team mates. If you get lynched and flip scum though, blue would be top of my scum reads.

might be team mates and you were bussing him before changing

Also I'm still suspicious of this, just the way it was done rubs me the wrong way.

I wouldn't be surprised if Trini or Zack were scum just due to that whole blue ranger thing. Not a certain thing though but I suspect one of them are

If not Trini, there was probably scum on her train I'd wager.

More very interesting posts from Black Ranger. I really do not understand how he has moved from day one "reads" (he doesn't like day one reads) to what he's doing day two and it's sure not in the thread. All we have now are feels and a vote on Billy which I think is fine if justified with the rest of his reads and progression but it just is not. It feels like a safe vote that he won't have to defend. So I want to see him push it. Or anything. Do something.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Any interest in the fact he didn't vote Trini yesterday but is hardest for their lynch today?

...

where DID he vote yesterday?

...

oh... on my loyal finster.

nvm i take back what i said he's a jerk. :(

 

[Kimberly]

Hey Jason...

I think her partners may have even voted for her. If Monopoly mafia taught me anything its that Scum can and does bus their own players if it can get them ahead.

Who do you think Trini's partners may be if they flip scum?

 

[Black Ranger]

What all has changed to move you from town to scum on me and Rita and from neutral to town on Tommy, who was absent most of this phase and has now been replaced?

Strat that I threw away. Town read people get complacent.

I threw away all my strats.

 

[Trini]

Question, are most of your Jason reads dependant on who did and didn't vote for him, or is there something else? Seems odd to say that's your biggest link right now.

No. My suspicion of Jason has to do largely with his behavior this game. I just think if he flips scum then we can read quite a good deal into the behavior surrounding him.

 

[Alpha 5]

Right now, I think Zack and Rita are my strongest town reads. I liked them yesterday, and I still like them today. It is because I town read them like that that I am inclined to agree with their Trini push.

 

[Zack]

Exactly what I said, if you thought I was scum and saw Finster wasn't taking I'd assume you would put more pushback into my lynch. But you didn't, you just dropped it soon after someone mentioned scum was probably on the train.

Finster wasn't taking... what?

 

[Kimberly]

Tommy and Blue. Just don't feel like they are scum.

Detailed as ever. Any concrete reasons why?

 

[Trini]

Zordon, I agree with your thoughts on Green. I'd actually be fairly comfortable with a Green lynch. His vote on Goldar came right after Red and helped make it a me vs Goldar situation. If Green flips scum, we might be able to assume one of the other people at 3 at the time of his vote could be scum.

 

[Alpha 5]

Tommy and Blue. Just don't feel like they are scum.

Okay, I have to say that those are two of strangest picks I can think of for strong town reads. Blue is one of those players I can't get a read on at all, and Tommy was just replaced.

 

[Trini]

trini

(6 votes)
pink ranger - #62 #580
rita repulsa - #593
zordon - #660
pink ranger - #685
tommy - #723
kimberly - #734
goldar - #755

goldar (3 votes)
tommy - #211 #297
black ranger - #348
finster - #422
red ranger - #740

finster (3 votes)
alpha 5 - #629
zack - #650
yellow ranger - #700

jason (3 votes)
yellow ranger - #147 #700
bulk - #254
pink ranger - #580 #685
skull - #655
trini - #659

blue ranger (2 votes)
zack - #156 #650
white ranger - #506
trini - #542 #659
jason - #609
goldar - #728 #750

These were the votes yesterday before Green placed his vote which put Goldar at 4. We know finster is town. So that could mean if Green is scum his vote was insurance against a lynch against Jason or Blue Ranger.

 

[Black Ranger]

Detailed as ever. Any concrete reasons why?

Nope

 

[Kimberly]

Okay, I have to say that those are two of strangest picks I can think of for strong town reads. Blue is one of those players I can't get a read on at all, and Tommy was just replaced.

Especially considering that at one point he suggested that Zack and Blue may be scummates.

 

[Kimberly]

Nope

You're not helping. Not helping Town and not helping your own case.

 

[Black Ranger]

You're not helping. Not helping Town and not helping your own case.

I know

 

[Trini]

I know

Since you've given up, can I ask you something? Are you neutral?

 

[Black Ranger]

Since you've given up, can I ask you something? Are you neutral?

Nope.

Ordinary Town. My only power is to vote sadly :(

 

[Zordon]

These were the votes yesterday before Green placed his vote which put Goldar at 4. We know finster is town. So that could mean if Green is scum his vote was insurance against a lynch against Jason or Blue Ranger.

or a hope to push a lynch other than you, which you do not mention here and it's not the first time I feel like you've skipped something about yourself.

 

[Zordon]

I just don't know, Trini, I am torn between being pleased that someone at least is not ignoring Green's big nothing and it being you who picked it up, especially with that reasoning. Feels like bait.

 

[Zack]

Zordon, I agree with your thoughts on Green. I'd actually be fairly comfortable with a Green lynch. His vote on Goldar came right after Red and helped make it a me vs Goldar situation. If Green flips scum, we might be able to assume one of the other people at 3 at the time of his vote could be scum.

The way you keep trying to reach for connections between players whenever possible makes me think you're at least consistent, which, weirdly enough (because I don't think it's particularly helpful), makes you taste a little better

Zyaaaaa isn't particularly bothered by the Jason lynch... But it's impossible to shake the feeling that it's the second coming of the Goldar lynch train. There's no resistance to it at all. Votes are just piling there without any of the other trains ever threatening it.

 

[Trini]

or a hope to push a lynch other than you, which you do not mention here and it's not the first time I feel like you've skipped something about yourself.

Fair enough point. I suppose I didn't consider that case because I know for sure that isn't the case.

 

[Pink Ranger]

These were the votes yesterday before Green placed his vote which put Goldar at 4. We know finster is town. So that could mean if Green is scum his vote was insurance against a lynch against Jason or Blue Ranger.

In this scenario, where you are town ( :O ) why isn't it Blue or Yellow Ranger moving votes that are suspicious?

Every Ranger is mafia apart from me!

 

[Blue Ranger]

Finster wasn't taking... what?

I thought it was obvious I was talking about Finster not taking as a lynch lead. Is it not?

 

[Kimberly]

I just don't know, Trini, I am torn between being pleased that someone at least is not ignoring Green's big nothing and it being you who picked it up, especially with that reasoning. Feels like bait.

What if you give Trini the benefit of the doubt here? What are we to learn about Green from this thinking?

 

[Trini]

In this scenario, where you are town ( :O ) why isn't it Blue or Yellow Ranger moving votes that are suspicious?

Every Ranger is mafia apart from me!

Honestly not entirely sure.

 

[Zack]

I thought it was obvious I was talking about Finster not taking as a lynch lead. Is it not?

That's what Zyaaaa thought you were alluding to, but Zyaaaa likes to be sure.

This was addressed earlier:

*A Finster lynch could've had happened in those final moments had Yellow and Alpha kept their votes on them, which makes Zyaaa hesitant to trust the both of them for switching to Goldar instead

It was this townie's belief that a Finster lynch could end up happen with the way they were posting in those final moments, but in the end Yellow and Alpha left Zyaaaaaaa hanging

Switching my vote to you after coming back to the thread with less than 30 minutes left in the phase, on the other hand, never had any chance of accomplishing anything

 

[Skull]

Nope.

Ordinary Town. My only power is to vote sadly :(

That came out of nowhere. Didn’t expect a claim like this, no from you at least.

 

[Zordon]

What if you give Trini the benefit of the doubt here? What are we to learn about Green from this thinking?

I don't know if I follow. I agree with Trini except where she left herself off as a possibility and so otherwise it seems to be mostly where I already am and what I posted. I think Green could be scum. I just don't see anyone else moving on that at all but I'm happy to push that thread more after I get back from dinner.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Nope.

Ordinary Town. My only power is to vote sadly :(

WHY IN THE UNHOLY MOTHER OF ZORDON ARE YOU CLAIMING WHEN YOU'RE NOT EVEN THE VOTE LEAD?!

 

[Black Ranger]

WHY IN THE UNHOLY MOTHER OF ZORDON ARE YOU CLAIMING WHEN YOU'RE NOT EVEN THE VOTE LEAD?!

In order to see this reaction.

 

[Zordon]

That came out of nowhere. Didn’t expect a claim like this, no from you at least.

I put about as much stock in that claim as I do Black Ranger's reads.

 

[Zack]

That came out of nowhere. Didn’t expect a claim like this, no from you at least.

So out of left field that not even Zyaaaaaaa’s all-seeing eyes had noticed it before you quoted them

 

[Black Ranger]

I put about as much stock in that claim as I do Black Ranger's reads.

Coolios

 

[Zack]

In order to see this reaction.

And now what

 

[Black Ranger]

And now what

popcorn.gif

 

[Kimberly]

I don't know if I follow. I agree with Trini except where she left herself off as a possibility and so otherwise it seems to be mostly where I already am and what I posted. I think Green could be scum. I just don't see anyone else moving on that at all but I'm happy to push that thread more after I get back from dinner.

I'm sorry, my brain is mush after a fairly stressful work day so I'm probably not making a whole hell of a lot of sense. Feel free to ignore me.

Green was not someone who was on my radar so I may need to give them a reread.

 

[Kimberly]

In order to see this reaction.

And what have you learned from this reaction?

 

[Black Ranger]

And what have you learned from this reaction?

It was amusing.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

In order to see this reaction.

 

[Skull]

Yeah, “BS” is the first thing that came to my mind when I saw that claim.

 

[Red Ranger]

but what bothers me is that it feels like a lot of people are scum reading various people like the Red Ranger, but never putting down votes to back up those scum reads.

I'm sorry but you felt bad about me the whole game and never once voted for me.

 

[Green Ranger]

I guess we know whos being killed tonight then.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

I guess we know whos being killed tonight then.

if you mean the nk? doubt it

i speak from experience. scum will most likely keep the black one alive for us to forever have doubts

that's why his claim was so super duper unbelievably bad.

 

[Bulk]

Vote: Black Ranger

We have some time before the end of the day, so let's see if this can get the votes to shift a bit. I don't want Jason's seemingly inevitable lynch to stand unopposed.