Game Thread Power Rangers Mafia | The Community Park Where All the Monster Fights Happen

[Sawneeks]

Out of curiosity is it ok to ask for a player to provide or summarize the flavor in role PMs?

It's okay to summarize, just not direct quoting.

 

[rac]

Gotta laugh cause I'd have to place it in this order too. Well actually I don't scum read Green at the moment. But otherwise yeah, this is my list too.

so whats the play here?

 

[Trini]

I hope this is within the rules.

Rita, you said your command was "give: <playername>"

Is that 100% correct letter for letter?

 

[Trini]

It's okay to summarize, just not direct quoting.

Ah in that case my question is not allowed? I feel like this is entering a grey area.

 

[Trini]

so whats the play here?

I'm fairly certain I'm sticking with my Rita vote. I'm not 100% on it, but I'm not convinced she's town.

 

[Zordon]

I forget if anyone asked this but how come you didn't use it on N1? And why didn't you use it on Rac since he was a potential target last night?

i did use it n1.

Actually I'm going to question these. Green Ranger, why would you suggest someone should give away a 1-shot vest n1 and Rita why would you? What about Pink made you think they in particular needed that? If you answered this before and I missed it I'm sorry, please just point me to that.

 

[Green Ranger]

Actually I'm going to question these. Green Ranger, why would you suggest someone should give away a 1-shot vest n1 and Rita why would you? What about Pink made you think they in particular needed that? If you answered this before and I missed it I'm sorry, please just point me to that.

I don't think it's a good move but I still thought it was worth asking.

 

[Trini]

Interestingly enough, Rita now is saying she used the power N1. Wasn't it strongly implied she used it N2 in her initial claim?

And if she used it N1, that means the lack of night kill is even more confusing. But that's speculation for another day.

 

[Zordon]

I don't think it's a good move but I still thought it was worth asking.

But your phrasing indicated she should have used it night 1. You were questioning why she didn't.

 

[Kimberly]

After a very confusing day I’m going to stick to the thing that hasn’t changed for me today

Vote: Black Ranger

 

[Black Ranger]

Interestingly enough, Rita now is saying she used the power N1. Wasn't it strongly implied she used it N2 in her initial claim?

And if she used it N1, that means the lack of night kill is even more confusing. But that's speculation for another day.

She said in a later post it was used in N1 but the initial post I thought implied it to be N2 myself.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

I hope this is within the rules.

Rita, you said your command was "give: <playername>"

Is that 100% correct letter for letter?

yes, yes, that's correct

Actually I'm going to question these. Green Ranger, why would you suggest someone should give away a 1-shot vest n1 and Rita why would you? What about Pink made you think they in particular needed that? If you answered this before and I missed it I'm sorry, please just point me to that.

didn't know how scum was going to shoot, and pink ranger was my top town read (well, they weren't scum...) so i used it right before actions were locked.

my sensors are indicating that Rita is telling the truth and is fighting on the side of good.

????

i can't get gifs to work now but uhh... thanks for the vote of confidence?

do you intend to vote or give us anything else?

 

[Sawneeks]

I hope this is within the rules.

Rita, you said your command was "give: <playername>"

Is that 100% correct letter for letter?

Ah in that case my question is not allowed? I feel like this is entering a grey area.

It's entering a bit of a grey area. Typically in the past direct quoting means not the flavor or vast majority of the PM in question, when it comes to commands and their specific wording there is not really a restriction on them.

 

[Zordon]

Interestingly enough, Rita now is saying she used the power N1. Wasn't it strongly implied she used it N2 in her initial claim?

And if she used it N1, that means the lack of night kill is even more confusing. But that's speculation for another day.

She said it was n1 and that she panicked an hour before actions locked. I went back and looked but the quote code dosn't seem to want to pick up older things sometimes unless you reply on that page. Said Pink was top town read but seemed to be trying not to be town read?

 

[Black Ranger]

yes, yes, that's correct

Urgh, I feel uneasy now. the command just seems so generic to me for this game.

didn't know how scum was going to shoot, and pink ranger was my top town read (well, they weren't scum...) so i used it right before actions were locked.

This just feels weird as well. Using it N1 and on someone I don't think you even hinted that they were your top town read at the moment.

Uneasy

 

[Zack]

Blue Ranger: I find this read completely bizarre, are you basing an entire townread(or lean?) on his exchange over the old White Ranger's RNG joke vote? I couldn't think of anything that Blue Ranger had said or done since, but I put that down to me not having paid enough attention and was resolved to fix that after having gone over Zordon's posts, however if this is all you have to townread them with then perhaps there is more to it than that?

Now that you mention it, this read should really be down in "weak town reads" or "mixed reads", and not alongside those other three.

I don't have a strong impression of Blue outside of that debacle. But rereading it yesterday with hindsight in my advantage made me question, why the hell would scum do that? It was either a townie acting weird or scum who had planned the whole thing from the get-go - but it doesn't feel faked either. So they've improved a bit in my eyes.

Quick mention that its fair enough to not townread me given that I've had almost no impact on the game at all so far.

I do appreciate you digging deep into the stuff I wrote, though. That gives me positive vibes, even though it's mostly NAI.

 

[White Ranger]

I do hate to make this two-for-two, but the Zordon reading won't be happening today, I do really need some sleep even if day end is only 3 hours away. The way I see either Zordon survives and I get to do it tomorrow, Zordon dies and flips town at which point its irrelevant, or he dies and flips scum at which point I just have to deal with the fact that I chose sleep over my last chance to be a part of that lynch train. Similarly, perhaps I would've seen something had I done reads on Blue and Green Rangers today, but I'm comfortable enough with my chosen lynch target (spoilers its Black Ranger) that they can keep if there is indeed scum there.

I did however go through the responses to Zack's reads though (I mentioned Bulk earlier) (sorry if I've missed anyone):
Rita going along with the Zordon lynch is reasonable enough to me given that she had mentioned him earlier and it did seem to me that she'd try for a push there anyway. Also, y'know, she is in a fair bit of danger here.
I was a little off-put by Skull's response given that I couldn't tell what he thought of Zordon, but he did clear that up with Rita later and given that the others he mentioned there all had some reasoning attached to them and he still stuck to his read on Rita I don't think it was suspicious.
Alpha 5 seems kinda eager to agree with Zack on Zordon, perhaps I'm reading that wrong but it is a little suspect.
Kimberly also seems to have kinda slid in onto Zordon, probably worth another look tomorrow.

Black Ranger considers Zordon after Zack's post but says that Alpha 5 is still his top priority, he then later asserts that Zordon didn't make a clear-cut case against Green Ranger, which is refuted but he still comes back later now saying that Zordon is now who he is focusing on (I know that was a fair bit of paraphrasing there, but if you think I've misrepresented something then please do point it out because that is not my intention here, I'm just too lazy to go back for quotes).

Between this, my existing scumread on Black Ranger (yes including the whole wth d2 scumteam? thing) and my town lean on Rita, I'll be dropping my vote here:
VOTE: Black Ranger

She said in a later post it was used in N1 but the initial post I thought implied it to be N2 myself.

Unrelated, but you may want to go back and check. I think I was a little unclear in the wording but I'm pretty sure the claim has always been that it was used on N1.

 

[Sawneeks]

==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start

rita repulsa (6 votes) - 3 from majority
rac - #1610
zack - #1702 #1868
bulk - #1708
skull - #1885
trini - #1924
yellow ranger - #1975
tommy - #1999

zordon (4 votes)
zack - #1868 #1962
rita repulsa - #1870
black ranger - #1913
alpha 5 - #1938
green ranger - #1939

black ranger (2 votes)
trini - #1616 #1645
zordon - #1788
trini - #1877 #1924
kimberly - #2010

tommy (0 votes)
alpha 5 - #1732 #1791

zack (0 votes)
bulk - #1615 #1708
trini - #1645 #1877
rita repulsa - #1714 #1859

kimberly (0 votes)
tommy - #1764 #1858

Post Counts:
rita repulsa: 52 trini: 51 zordon: 42 zack: 36 kimberly: 33 black ranger: 30 rac: 28 skull: 27 blue ranger: 23 tommy: 23 bulk: 22 alpha 5: 18 green ranger: 13 white ranger: 11 yellow ranger: 7 sawneeks: 6 billy: 3 melonrabbit: 1

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

Majority is 9

 

[Zack]

It's entering a bit of a grey area. Typically in the past direct quoting means not the flavor or vast majority of the PM in question, when it comes to commands and their specific wording there is not really a restriction on them.

This conversation we're having right now makes me feel like it's time for another amendment to the community rules :P

 

[Kimberly]

reacting to events as they happened.

but in light of jason flip, need to rethink all my reads.

trini is my top town rn. (****ing irony, how does it work?!)



top town read on n1 when i used it

was too widely town read despite trying not to be town read, so i panicked and used it an hour before actions were locked



no point in hanging onto the information, why would i now that my pr role was wasted? better in the hands of town.

 

[Zack]

I absolutely disagree that I "didn't point a finger" at Jason until the end and I quoted posts where I did when I first answered you but yeah, I will agree my results on scumhunting were apparently pretty lackluster since I was convinced Trini was scum and it's clear she is not. But I guess what you're saying is that I dropped them? Meh, if that's what you're saying I think that's probably fair. I thought you were saying that I didn't mention him at all. I didn't really feel that strongly about him and I was wrong. Like I said, I'll own that. I was wrong but I'm reassessing as the game moves on, not just taking whatever log drifts conveniently by which I think most of the people who followed you seemed to be doing.

Honestly even if it DOES make me look bad you're doing good analysis and I wish more people would step up and not just follow along whether the conclusions are right or wrong. I'm not going to sit here nad say I'm the best player or that I'm always right but I'm going to try to keep digging and if I get lynched at least it will make all the people who followed you on that vote for the flimsiest reasons (or made up reasons, like Black Ranger) look worse and get town closer to solving.

I meant that you seemingly dropped your suspicions close to EoD only to bring them back up again on your very last post, yes. The "didn't point a finger" thing was specifically aimed at the period between your apparent defense of Jason against Bulk and your last Trini-focused posts.

 

[Green Ranger]

But your phrasing indicated she should have used it night 1. You were questioning why she didn't.

I didn't mean for it to come across like that if it did. The 'How come' to me made it sound more like a possibility rather than trying to suggest that it should have been used.

 

[Black Ranger]

Unrelated, but you may want to go back and check. I think I was a little unclear in the wording but I'm pretty sure the claim has always been that it was used on N1.

am town 1-shot bulletproof giver

and the person i gave it to just left the game

so it was wasted

fml

(AT LEAST THEY WEREN'T SCUM SO HAH!)

Ambiguity here but I thought it meant used on N2.

 

[White Ranger]

Now that you mention it, this read should really be down in "weak town reads" or "mixed reads", and not alongside those other three.

I don't have a strong impression of Blue outside of that debacle. But rereading it yesterday with hindsight in my advantage made me question, why the hell would scum do that? It was either a townie acting weird or scum who had planned the whole thing from the get-go - but it doesn't feel faked either. So they've improved a bit in my eyes.


I do appreciate you digging deep into the stuff I wrote, though. That gives me positive vibes, even though it's mostly NAI.

Yessss, noticed by the big player today! I'm sorry if I messed up some pronouns for you in those, I wasn't sure how direct a response I should word them as and ended up chopping and changing between a few different levels.

Ambiguity here but I thought it meant used on N2.

So you did have the right of it then, I wonder how long it was before she clarified about it being on night 1?

It was probably decently implied in my previous post but I may as well get it down outright: I won't be back for day end.

 

[Zordon]

I meant that you seemingly dropped your suspicions close to EoD only to bring them back up again on your very last post, yes. The "didn't point a finger" thing was specifically aimed at the period between your apparent defense of Jason against Bulk and your last Trini-focused posts.

I never felt like I was defending Jason. I just didn't see Bulk doing much else (and in fact where is he?) and I was curious why that seemed to be his biggest line of thought other than the stuff with you and Black Ranger, but since a few people read it that way I guess that's fair.

 

[Green Ranger]

Ambiguity here but I thought it meant used on N2.

I was under the same impression.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Black ranger improved today, but maybe that's because the pressure is off him for a bit. Between Zordon and Rita. It's Rita for me, I think she ignored everything I said about her. Maybe it's because I didn't put my vote down yet. But she's my strongest scumread atm. For the points mentioned earlier. I'd also like to add that she posts or rather posted a lot, but did she really add anything?

Vote: Rita Repulsa

why weren't you on the jason vote day 2, tommy boy?

 

[Rita Repulsa]

why weren't you on the jason vote day 2, tommy boy?

oops, sorry, just realized you have they/them set as pronouns. THERE GOES MY MOVIE REFERENCE.

but seriously, why?

 

[Zordon]

I went through Green's empty posts not once but twice. Once with every single post from the day phase. I also clarified the case to Yellow. This is complete fantasyland bullshit. rac was the only other person to make a case against Green around that vote and it was right at eod - I flagged it. But after the swings to Red/rac and some of the other weird swings yes I was deeply concerned scum was following me on that vote. What you have said here is absolutely untrue. I posted about that too, and explained it. You either missed those posts completely (and there were several on these two topics) or you're just inventing things. And apparently people will just follow without checking the work for themselves.

Black Ranger, did you answer this? At all?

Not feeling great today (irl) so I'm kinda just reading but not saying much, sorry.

Like I posted earlier, Alpha 5 or Zordon I feel are probably scum. I know I posted in my second post of today that Rita may be scum but I also feel like either Zordon or Rita are probably scum. Not sure about both but at least one of them so if one flipped town, I'd want to go after the other.

Besides that, Tommy may be scum again for the reason I posted here

Also Black Ranger's progression on people has already been much discussed but just to bring it back up the only person here he has a "read" on is Tommy except if you follow that post it's a very flimsy speculative reach about possible scummates with nothing else to back it up. So it shades four people, plus all the people he shaded before who were on him. At this rate I wonder if Black Ranger has suspected the whole game EXCEPT for Jason. I'm digging into something I noticed earlier while catching up but for now I don't see any reason to move my vote.

 

[Zack]

Done with D2. Time is against me so I didn't go in as deep as I did yesterday, but I still think I've found some interesting stuff.

I'd hoped that it'd give me some clarity on Rita and Zordon, but I'm still getting conflicting messages from the two of them. My impression of Zordon has improved a bit relative to D1, though.

Re: Zordon
- They're consistent in their chasing of Trini, which smells good to me, because scum seemed to be targeting one other specific player right from the start (more on this later).
- But they once again defend Jason while questioning someone else's vote on them - this time, Trini's. They also never voted for Jason during D2, but I can't really fault them for it since I didn't either.

So half the game suddenly becomes suspicious? I can follow the first part but the second seems like throwing yourself into a deep hole for no reason, especially since people had to weigh RL against voting on d1.

And if it ends up a Goldar situation and like ten people vote for Jason, you will only look at those who don’t? Surely someone would bus regardless.

I just struggle with links this early. Feels manufactured. Whatever Jason’s alignment I don’t see him as the key to the game. Not with the way the thread is limping. Too many unknowns and yet you seem so certain.

Re: Rita
- The best things about Rita are the things they never did - namely, not bothering to squabble with Jason on D1 (which is something I think a scum partner would've done a that point), and not going after rac, whom Jason and my other main D2 suspects were targeting on D2 start.
- But immediately after Skull votes against Jason (#899), Rita votes against Skull (#900) in a move that seemed very disconnected from their Trini tunnel.

 

[Black Ranger]

Black Ranger, did you answer this? At all?

Nope

 

[Rita Repulsa]

- But immediately after Skull votes against Jason (#899), Rita votes against Skull (#900) in a move that seemed very disconnected from their Trini tunnel.

wait, can you link me these votes? i probably did do something that looks this bad in retrospect, but i wanna see them.

having problems finding the first vote you mentioned, because the final vote count says my vote on skull was before any of the jason votes. o_o

 

[Zack]

wait, can you link me these votes? i probably did do something that looks this bad in retrospect, but i wanna see them.

having problems finding the first vote you mentioned, because the final vote count says my vote on skull was before any of the jason votes. o_o

You're right, my bad. Skull's post wasn't a vote yet - it was just a strong push against Jason.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

You're right, my bad. Skull's post wasn't a vote yet - it was just a strong push against Jason.

HOW COULD YOU MAKE THIS MISTAKE

I TRUSTED YOU ZACK

...

nah, jk, it's cool. time to go back and read.

 

[Trini]

It's entering a bit of a grey area. Typically in the past direct quoting means not the flavor or vast majority of the PM in question, when it comes to commands and their specific wording there is not really a restriction on them.

yes, yes, that's correct

Ok then... thank you.

Rita is lying. "give" cannot be her command word. Look at Pink Ranger's role pm, and then look at Jason's role PM. There's a glaring error Rita made.

 

[Trini]

Actually there's only 2ish hours left so I'll spell it out.

"Strong Kill"
"Investigate"
"give"

Nah, it'd have to be "Give" based on the two role PMs we have seen.

 

[Black Ranger]

Actually there's only 2ish hours left so I'll spell it out.

"Strong Kill"
"Investigate"
"give"

Nah, it'd have to be "Give" based on the two role PMs we have seen.

I thought you were going to mention how it says <playername> in hers but in Pink's, it's <Player Name>

 

[Yellow Ranger]

Actually there's only 2ish hours left so I'll spell it out.

"Strong Kill"
"Investigate"
"give"

Nah, it'd have to be "Give" based on the two role PMs we have seen.

Not that I want to defend Rita because I do want her lynched, but I think it’s just a stylistic choice that it’s not capitalized. This would fit in with her other posts

 

[Alpha 5]

I am actually inclined to believe that Rita is telling the truth here about her claim. This doesn't feel like scum play, it feels like a townie who is being too enthusiastic about being honest and ends up making a wildly anti-town play for silly reasons. I feel that the vote against Rita is mainly driven by town's propensity to chase flashy things.

Now, Jason is our biggest clue to finding scum. I still think Zack made some good arguments about Zordon's behavior. Scum tries to hide among town, so looking at incongruities between reads and voting behavior isn't a bad approach.

Otherwise, Black's inconsistent and unhelpful behavior doesn't appear to be in town's interests. If Black was town, I can't really make sense of his adamant refusal to vote defensively.

So, I am happy with my Zordon vote, but would be okay with a Black Ranger lynch too.

 

[Black Ranger]

Otherwise, Black's inconsistent and unhelpful behavior doesn't appear to be in town's interests. If Black was town, I can't really make sense of his adamant refusal to vote defensively.

You mean vote for self preservation? Honestly the way I see it is, voting for that, people say "We'll understand" but I'm almost certain it would be used against you during vote analysis in which case, the same outcome happens. You'll be argued against for voting to save yourself and if you don't vote to save yourself.

I'm sure some will call that BS but I'm sure I've seen this happen before.

 

[Alpha 5]

Actually there's only 2ish hours left so I'll spell it out.

"Strong Kill"
"Investigate"
"give"

Nah, it'd have to be "Give" based on the two role PMs we have seen.

I...

I thought that this exact sort or syntax quippling was the reason that they banned the quoting of role PMs. I don't find it to be a very useful form of analysis, since I don't think you asked Rita for specific capitalization.

 

[Zordon]

So, I am happy with my Zordon vote, but would be okay with a Black Ranger lynch too.

Are you saying you think Black Ranger and I could be scum together?

 

[Yellow Ranger]

I...

I thought that this exact sort or syntax quippling was the reason that they banned the quoting of role PMs. I don't find it to be a very useful form of analysis, since I don't think you asked Rita for specific capitalization.

Trini asked “letter for letter” so it becomes kind of s a vague area.

 

[Zack]

~~ The post below will probably be more useful later in the game ~~

Jason was making an effort to cast doubt on Red/rac very early on D2.

I noticed this when Jason piggybacked a question Black made towards rac.

I'm glad you could focus on Finster while I was orchestrating a three way tie and getting Goldar out of the game.

Why that post?

I agree with black ranger. I don’t understand that post either.
that post seems out of place for this discussion

rac's post was very clearly directed at Alpha. Black seemed confused by it, and Jason took that opportunity to jump at rac as well.

I then jumped back through that conversation and found something I think is interesting:

As for that vote yesterday, I thought the pile up on Goldar happened way too quickly but dismissed it since he did basically paint a target on his back with his actions. So, it seems reasonable to assume that scum are in on that vote. Well, less of an assumption and more a fact since majority was 10.

The votes that stick out the most to be are

red ranger (Voted Goldar to push more people to 3 votes)
alpha 5 (Didn't want to switch initially because they wanted to avoid a rush of votes. In reality there was 30 minutes left.)
bulk (Justified it as wanting to turbo to 'annoy the mods')

Black Rangers vote sticks out as well but I'd need to reread their posts on Goldar first.

Right now, based on the votes, Red Ranger looks the worst to me. We'll see how the day evolves.

Vote: Red Ranger

I agree that the Red Ranger's vote that pushed things to a 3-way tie is one of the most suspect votes in the final stretch of Day 1. A three-way tie is a pretty advantageous position for scum, since it gives them plenty of opportunity to either nudge the vote in the direction they desire or just let town tip the scales in a new way.

Both Green and Alpha try to paint Red as the one that was at least indirectly responsible for the Goldar lynch. Alpha's post, in particular, is very odd since he specifies that Red's vote pushed things into a 3-way tie...

When, in reality, it was Yellow who had done that earlier.

Jason's attack on Red would've cleared Red as town in my eyes if Red hadn't already done that himself.

Meanwhile, both Green and Alpha keep pushing against Red throughout the entire phase, but they don't put down votes.

Alpha seems bothered by Red's push against them on #935, and talks about voting Red (but doesn't actually do it) throughout the phase, like on #1125 and #1255. On #1228, Alpha says they want people to vote Red, but doesn't do it either.

(@rac you pushed pretty hard against Alpha on D2. How do you feel about them now?)

Green is the one who actually starts the pushback against Red that ended up with them becoming rac, but they never put down a vote on Red. They compalin about Red's vote on #1402, and then again on #1409.
Black is the first to vote Red, followed by myself, Rita, and then, finally, Alpha.

When the push against Red backfires, Jason distances themselves from it, seemingly noticing the inevitability of their lynch, and asks for scrutiny on the Red train on #1471. They finally vote Black (more on that in the last post of this series). But they also make sure to say they are "giving Green a pass" for the push, despite the fact that it was Green who goaded the rest into the train (#1492).

The constant nodding in the direction of Red without actual commitment from both Green and Alpha make them look really bad. They've both climbed up in my scum-reads list.

Random notes:
- Jason seems to indicate that they really thought Finster was a PR on #879.
- Bulk's push against Jason seems even more honest on D2 (#1018).
- White's and Yellow's D2 votes against Jason have really good timing, and make me feel better about them.

 

[Black Ranger]

Are you saying you think Black Ranger and I could be scum together?

Gonna have to agree with this, don't lump me and Zordon together. We are not scum mates. He's probably scum though.

 

[Alpha 5]

You mean vote for self preservation? Honestly the way I see it is, voting for that, people say "We'll understand" but I'm almost certain it would be used against you during vote analysis in which case, the same outcome happens. You'll be argued against for voting to save yourself and if you don't vote to save yourself.

I'm sure some will call that BS but I'm sure I've seen this happen before.

So,,, you would rather get lynched today, instead of having your vote used against you and be lynched tomorrow? I don't see how that logic works out.

 

[Bulk]

Yeah I don't like Rita's claim and am voting for them but that's a weak reason for voting for them if it's the capitalization stuff.

 

[Trini]

Not that I want to defend Rita because I do want her lynched, but I think it’s just a stylistic choice that it’s not capitalized. This would fit in with her other posts

I agree letter for letter didn't specify capitalization, but I didn't really want to give away my line of questioning.

Honestly I'll admit its a pretty weak accusation. Though my vote was on Rita regardless. I just doubt her slightly more.

 

[Zack]

The next one is my last megapost, and then I'll switch to fluffing, I promise.

 

[Zordon]

Hey @Zack in your rereads have you looked at Kimberly's posts on Jason?

 

[Rita Repulsa]

I...

I thought that this exact sort or syntax quippling was the reason that they banned the quoting of role PMs. I don't find it to be a very useful form of analysis, since I don't think you asked Rita for specific capitalization.

this is one of the two reasons quoting the role pm is banned, yes

the other being because it's not just fun to find meta errors like that

tldr version: my role pm is consistent with all the flips we've gotten so far, except for maybe pink ranger's which seems to have slightly more fluff.

and lets not go any further than that cuz we're skirting the rules on something stupid.

 

[Trini]

If we end up not lynching Rita I think the only other choice is Black.

 

[Black Ranger]

If we end up not lynching Rita I think the only other choice is Black.

And then Zordon once I'm dead!

 

[Trini]

And yes, I agree lets drop the Rita role command stuff. My apologies. I know its a rule grey area.

 

[Bulk]

You mean vote for self preservation? Honestly the way I see it is, voting for that, people say "We'll understand" but I'm almost certain it would be used against you during vote analysis in which case, the same outcome happens. You'll be argued against for voting to save yourself and if you don't vote to save yourself.

I'm sure some will call that BS but I'm sure I've seen this happen before.

I mean, that would be the case unless you hit scum. Which would've happened here, and would've made people feel much better about you. And sure, if that hadn't happened, you'd be under scrutiny but you wouldn't be dead. You, who you know for sure are town. I'm surprised it's taken you 2 day phases now to understand this line of thinking :P

 

[Green Ranger]

~~ The post below will probably be more useful later in the game ~~

Jason was making an effort to cast doubt on Red/rac very early on D2.

I noticed this when Jason piggybacked a question Black made towards rac.





rac's post was very clearly directed at Alpha. Black seemed confused by it, and Jason took that opportunity to jump at rac as well.

I then jumped back through that conversation and found something I think is interesting:



Both Green and Alpha try to paint Red as the one that was at least indirectly responsible for the Goldar lynch. Alpha's post, in particular, is very odd since he specifies that Red's vote pushed things into a 3-way tie...

When, in reality, it was Yellow who had done that earlier.

Jason's attack on Red would've cleared Red as town in my eyes if Red hadn't already done that himself.

Meanwhile, both Green and Alpha keep pushing against Red throughout the entire phase, but they don't put down votes.

Alpha seems bothered by Red's push against them on #935, and talks about voting Red (but doesn't actually do it) throughout the phase, like on #1125 and #1255. On #1228, Alpha says they want people to vote Red, but doesn't do it either.

(@rac you pushed pretty hard against Alpha on D2. How do you feel about them now?)

Green is the one who actually starts the pushback against Red that ended up with them becoming rac, but they never put down a vote on Red. They compalin about Red's vote on #1402, and then again on #1409.
Black is the first to vote Red, followed by myself, Rita, and then, finally, Alpha.

When the push against Red backfires, Jason distances themselves from it, seemingly noticing the inevitability of their lynch, and asks for scrutiny on the Red train on #1471. They finally vote Black (more on that in the last post of this series). But they also make sure to say they are "giving Green a pass" for the push, despite the fact that it was Green who goaded the rest into the train (#1492).

The constant nodding in the direction of Red without actual commitment from both Green and Alpha make them look really bad. They've both climbed up in my scum-reads list.

Random notes:
- Jason seems to indicate that they really thought Finster was a PR on #879.
- Bulk's push against Jason seems even more honest on D2 (#1018).
- White's and Yellow's D2 votes against Jason have really good timing, and make me feel better about them.

I had a vote on Red the whole day? You even quote the post with my vote.

 

[Yellow Ranger]

pending a rita scum flip, i think there’s a good chance of scum being her, alpha, and black. Black is super commonly scum read from what ive seen, so he makes sense as a target to save for a bus. looking at the current rita votes, rac is confirmed town and I strongly believe bulk and trini are town. I feel decent about skull, and obviously I feel good about myself. tommy is a grey area for me who I kind of suspect, and would like to keep looking at. I think scum needs to be on the zordon vote to make it a legitimate candidate for today’s lynch.

If Rita doesn’t flip scum then idk though. This is obviously thinking very far in advance and there are all sorts of flips we’ll get that can change this line of thought

 

[Rita Repulsa]

i need to re-read over it, but..

still waiting to hear why @Tommy wasn't on the JAAASON lynch

i think him, alpha 5, and zordon are suspicious. dunno if they're all scum tho

 

[Bulk]

I'm tempted switch my vote to Black Ranger now because I feel like he's "slipping away" in terms of suspicions while I'm sure we'll continue talking about both Rita and Zordon tomorrow. On the other hand, Rita already claimed and everything, so we know we're not getting any more useful info from then and they did claim a very convenient role we can't confirm until we get their flip so eh

 

[Black Ranger]

I'm tempted switch my vote to Black Ranger now because I feel like he's "slipping away" in terms of suspicions while I'm sure we'll continue talking about both Rita and Zordon tomorrow. On the other hand, Rita already claimed and everything, so we know we're not getting any more useful info from then and they did claim a very convenient role we can't confirm until we get their flip so eh

Well we're near eod and I've got 3 so by voting for me, it will be 5:4:4

Might make things more exciting for the eod.

 

[Zack]

When shit started to look rough for Jason, this is what they did:

well White Ranger, My day 1 reads have changed. Heck my reads from earlier this day phase has changed. Rita never really responded to me on why they believe Trini is scum, but after rereading the thread It is these posts that led me to Scum read Trini. The defense between voting for her vs voting for Goldar doesn't come down to "I'm town, don't vote me out" it comes down to "that's a cowardly vote, you are scum". Which strikes me the wrong way, when I believed Trini day 1 it was before seeing those. Now I'm convinced she is scum

Vote: Trini [\highlight]

Before their vote, the lead was Jason 4, Black 2, Trini 1.

And yet, instead of voting Black and making it a close race between the two of them, Jason put a vote on Trini.

In the end, Jason only voted Black (#1492) when rac was confirmed and it became clear that the lynch was between them and Black (they shared the lead with 4 votes each at that point, while Trini, Alpha and Green were the closest thing to them with 1 vote each).

Well, I guess this is not really a megapost after all.

VOTE: Black Ranger

 

[Bulk]

I never felt like I was defending Jason. I just didn't see Bulk doing much else (and in fact where is he?) and I was curious why that seemed to be his biggest line of thought other than the stuff with you and Black Ranger, but since a few people read it that way I guess that's fair.

I've been on and off during this day phase, sorry. I've had a ton of stuff to do this last couple of days (I took time off work to handle some matters) so yeah. I still think I've posted enough that people should know where I stand on most things though.

 

[Yellow Ranger]

~~ The post below will probably be more useful later in the game ~~

Jason was making an effort to cast doubt on Red/rac very early on D2.

I noticed this when Jason piggybacked a question Black made towards rac.





rac's post was very clearly directed at Alpha. Black seemed confused by it, and Jason took that opportunity to jump at rac as well.

I then jumped back through that conversation and found something I think is interesting:



Both Green and Alpha try to paint Red as the one that was at least indirectly responsible for the Goldar lynch. Alpha's post, in particular, is very odd since he specifies that Red's vote pushed things into a 3-way tie...

When, in reality, it was Yellow who had done that earlier.

Jason's attack on Red would've cleared Red as town in my eyes if Red hadn't already done that himself.

Meanwhile, both Green and Alpha keep pushing against Red throughout the entire phase, but they don't put down votes.

Alpha seems bothered by Red's push against them on #935, and talks about voting Red (but doesn't actually do it) throughout the phase, like on #1125 and #1255. On #1228, Alpha says they want people to vote Red, but doesn't do it either.

(@rac you pushed pretty hard against Alpha on D2. How do you feel about them now?)

Green is the one who actually starts the pushback against Red that ended up with them becoming rac, but they never put down a vote on Red. They compalin about Red's vote on #1402, and then again on #1409.
Black is the first to vote Red, followed by myself, Rita, and then, finally, Alpha.

When the push against Red backfires, Jason distances themselves from it, seemingly noticing the inevitability of their lynch, and asks for scrutiny on the Red train on #1471. They finally vote Black (more on that in the last post of this series). But they also make sure to say they are "giving Green a pass" for the push, despite the fact that it was Green who goaded the rest into the train (#1492).

The constant nodding in the direction of Red without actual commitment from both Green and Alpha make them look really bad. They've both climbed up in my scum-reads list.

Random notes:
- Jason seems to indicate that they really thought Finster was a PR on #879.
- Bulk's push against Jason seems even more honest on D2 (#1018).
- White's and Yellow's D2 votes against Jason have really good timing, and make me feel better about them.

Do you think it makes sense for green and alpha to be scum together? And how would greens attempt to deflect votes on alpha near end of D2 play into that?

 

[Black Ranger]

Before their vote, the lead was Jason 4, Black 2, Trini 1.

And yet, instead of voting Black and making it a close race between the two of them, Jason put a vote on Trini.

Shit that does make me look bad. Damn you Jason! Laugh it up scum. I'm sure Town will win this... probably

 

[Bulk]

I'm concerned that Billy hasn't put down a vote yet. Where are you buddy?

 

[Tommy]

i need to re-read over it, but..

still waiting to hear why @Tommy wasn't on the JAAASON lynch

i think him, alpha 5, and zordon are suspicious. dunno if they're all scum tho

Didn't see you asking before. I townread Jason more than scum with my limited time. Alpha was more scum to me.

 

[Zack]

Hey @Zack in your rereads have you looked at Kimberly's posts on Jason?

I've looked through everything, but I don't have anything specific on Kimberly apart from what I'd already mentioned yesterday:

- Kimberly: Also created a new train on Tommy (#631) instead of piggybacking on a realistic alternative to Jason when the votes were piling up on them, but ended up voting Trini making it Trini 5, Jason 3 on EoD.

She also complained about Trini's D1 vote on Jason (#669), but I also thought that the trust thing was weird at the time.

Do you have anything in mind?

 

[Zordon]

Shit that does make me look bad. Damn you Jason! Laugh it up scum. I'm sure Town will win this... probably

This feels so forced.

Are you ever going to address your post that completely misrepresented my vote on Green Ranger? Doesn't look like most people care but I sure do.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

I'm concerned that Billy hasn't put down a vote yet. Where are you buddy?

MEET THE NEW BILLY

SAME AS THE OLD BILLY

 

[Black Ranger]

This feels so forced.

Forced Snark is the worst snark so it's very much not forced :(

 

[Zordon]

I've looked through everything, but I don't have anything specific on Kimberly apart from what I'd already mentioned yesterday:



She also complained about Trini's D1 vote on Jason (#669), but I also thought that the trust thing was weird at the time.

Do you have anything in mind?

I'm looking back at her because her comment on Black Ranger clicked something for me and I'm seeing lowkey shade on Jason voters and a whole lot of questions without conclusions. Quite a presence in the thread but very little taking of stands and almost no progression either. Just engagement but engagement that doesn't go anywhere and I don't think she's been under any real scrutiny either so it's raising my hairs a bit.

 

[Bulk]

Shit that does make me look bad. Damn you Jason! Laugh it up scum. I'm sure Town will win this... probably

Noooo don't go back to this defeatist stuff D:

You're supposed to want to live.

 

[Black Ranger]

Noooo don't go back to this defeatist stuff D:

You're supposed to want to live.

I do but we're near eod and it's sooo... dead. A close race between two people would liven things up for the viewers of this show.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

i feel more confident in scummy zordon then i do scummy black ranger, tbh

but this is probably bias speaking because i've read more of zordon

 

[Black Ranger]

==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start

rita repulsa (6 votes)
rac - #1610
zack - #1702 #1868
bulk - #1708
skull - #1885
trini - #1924
yellow ranger - #1975
tommy - #1999

black ranger (4 votes)
trini - #1616 #1645
zordon - #1788
trini - #1877 #1924
kimberly - #2010
white ranger - #2017
zack - #2061

zordon (4 votes)
zack - #1868 #1962
rita repulsa - #1870
black ranger - #1913
alpha 5 - #1938
green ranger - #1939

tommy (0 votes)
alpha 5 - #1732 #1791

zack (0 votes)
bulk - #1615 #1708
trini - #1645 #1877
rita repulsa - #1714 #1859

kimberly (0 votes)
tommy - #1764 #1858

Post Counts:
rita repulsa: 60 trini: 56 zordon: 48 zack: 45 black ranger: 40 kimberly: 34 rac: 28 bulk: 28 skull: 27 tommy: 24 blue ranger: 23 alpha 5: 21 green ranger: 16 white ranger: 13 yellow ranger: 11 sawneeks: 7 billy: 3 melonrabbit: 1

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!

 

[Zack]

I had a vote on Red the whole day? You even quote the post with my vote.

 

[Zordon]

i feel more confident in scummy zordon then i do scummy black ranger, tbh

but this is probably bias speaking because i've read more of zordon

Literally how unless you skipped posts?

 

[Zack]

Yeah, that surely invalidates that stuff. But it also makes Alpha looks worse in comparison :P

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Literally how unless you skipped posts?

black ranger has been a drag in my mind, and i'm gut scum reading you you scum-face-in-a-jar.

 

[Black Ranger]

black ranger has been a drag in my mind, and i'm gut scum reading you you scum-face-in-a-jar.

Sorry Rita's mind :( I don't mean to be a drag.

 

[Alpha 5]

Both Green and Alpha try to paint Red as the one that was at least indirectly responsible for the Goldar lynch. Alpha's post, in particular, is very odd since he specifies that Red's vote pushed things into a 3-way tie...

When, in reality, it was Yellow who had done that earlier.

I think you link is incorrect, since it just links back to a post you made on the last page. If it supposed to indicate anything more, it isn't clear.

And you are misunderstanding or mischaracterizing my argument here. I was saying that Red and Green were the ones who pushed the Goldar lynch just as the Jason lynch train was beginning to fall apart. This ultimately ahifted momentum from a Trini vs Jason lynch to a Trini vs Goldar lynch. I used the vote tool readout at the end of Day 1 as the basis of my arguments, so if anyone made any unofficial votes, it didn't factor into my analysis at the time.

I thought that both Red and Green looked scummy as a result. In fact my vote was on Green, because other factors from Day 1 and 2 made him look somewhat scummier.

My vote temporarily shifted from Green to Res for two simple reasons: the Green lynch clearly wasn't happening and the Red one had a shot. Obviously Red ended up not being scum, but I was still scum reading him strongly until the Rac reveal.

I still kinda think Green is scum.

 

[Trini]

Am good with either Rita or Black exiting stage left.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Sorry Rita's mind :( I don't mean to be a drag.

don't apologize

i'd still lynch you.

 

[Black Ranger]

@Blue Ranger you've not voted today. Gonna vote?

Also @Billy but we've not seen them around much at all. Just like the old Billy so :(

 

[Black Ranger]

don't apologize

i'd still lynch you.

Could always swi... actually never mind that thought.

 

[Alpha 5]

Are you saying you think Black Ranger and I could be scum together?

Not necessarily. I do think that there is at least one scum between you two.

 

[Black Ranger]

Not necessarily. I do think that there is at least one scum between you two.

So once I flip town, you're gonna go after Zordon?

 

[Zack]

I think you link is incorrect, since it just links back to a post you made on the last page. If it supposed to indicate anything more, it isn't clear.

And you are misunderstanding or mischaracterizing my argument here. I was saying that Red and Green were the ones who pushed the Goldar lynch just as the Jason lynch train was beginning to fall apart. This ultimately ahifted momentum from a Trini vs Jason lynch to a Trini vs Goldar lynch. I used the vote tool readout at the end of Day 1 as the basis of my arguments, so if anyone made any unofficial votes, it didn't factor into my analysis at the time.

I thought that both Red and Green looked scummy as a result. In fact my vote was on Green, because other factors from Day 1 and 2 made him look somewhat scummier.

My vote temporarily shifted from Green to Res for two simple reasons: the Green lynch clearly wasn't happening and the Red one had a shot. Obviously Red ended up not being scum, but I was still scum reading him strongly until the Rac reveal.

I still kinda think Green is scum.

I understand that there are possible reasons for you (or anyone else) to suspect Red at that time. What makes it feel off is the fact that scum!Jason also seemed content to cast doubt at Red but not a vote. You mentioned Red a lot throughout the phase, and even seemed annoyed when they threw back some accusations at you.

 

[Bulk]

Rita, you're not really fighting your impending lynch, have you resigned yourself to it, or do you think maybe there's time still and a good chance that the lynch will go another way? I don't see much in the way of protest, just some shade at Zordon and Black, but that's not much different from how you've played all game.

 

[Zack]

Also, that link is correct. I'm pointing at the moment Yellow tied the D1 vote in that post.

 

[Zordon]

black ranger has been a drag in my mind, and i'm gut scum reading you you scum-face-in-a-jar.

No, how have you read more of me than the top poster?? What are you even saying?

 

[Zack]

I'm looking back at her because her comment on Black Ranger clicked something for me and I'm seeing lowkey shade on Jason voters and a whole lot of questions without conclusions. Quite a presence in the thread but very little taking of stands and almost no progression either. Just engagement but engagement that doesn't go anywhere and I don't think she's been under any real scrutiny either so it's raising my hairs a bit.

Sounds like reason enough to go back and read through their posts again... if I survive the night.

 

[Zordon]

Feels like secretly this is a game of tanners.

 

[Rita Repulsa]

Rita, you're not really fighting your impending lynch, have you resigned yourself to it, or do you think maybe there's time still and a good chance that the lynch will go another way? I don't see much in the way of protest, just some shade at Zordon and Black, but that's not much different from how you've played all game.

no, i haven't resigned myself to it. in fact, i want to fight it.

but i'm having extreme difficulty focusing right now due to sleep issues in real life.

sorry, it's completely out of characater for me as a player :(

 

[Black Ranger]

no, i haven't resigned myself to it. in fact, i want to fight it.

but i'm having extreme difficulty focusing right now due to sleep issues in real life.

sorry, it's completely out of characater for me as a player :(

aww. now I feel legit bad :( (seriously, I very very much know how sleep issues can be. I was absent a lot of yesterday (rl day) cause of recovering from sleep issues)

 

[Bulk]

Sounds like reason enough to go back and read through their posts again... if I survive the night.

I'm not mentally ready to consider suspicion towards you, but this feels forced and is pretty cliche'd IMO :P maybe something to note if we're past plan C.

 

[Alpha 5]

So once I flip town, you're gonna go after Zordon?

My vote is currently in Zordon, so yes.

I understand that there are possible reasons for you (or anyone else) to suspect Red at that time. What makes it feel off is the fact that scum!Jason also seemed content to cast doubt at Red but not a vote. You mentioned Red a lot throughout the phase, and even seemed annoyed when they threw back some accusations at you.

I was annoyed because Red wasn't putting a vote down himself. I thought it was scummy behavior.

Through that entire sequence, a bunch of people were scum reading Red without voting for him. If there was that much of a consensus on Red's scumminess, I thought that acting on it wasn't a bad idea. We were all wrong, but at least I put my vote where my mouth was.

 

[Black Ranger]

If I survive the day, I'll probably survive the night. No way can I be NK'd.

Unless I get Finster'd

 

[Blue Ranger]

@Blue Ranger you've not voted today. Gonna vote?

Also @Billy but we've not seen them around much at all. Just like the old Billy so :(

Yeah I'm going to vote, most likely for Rita.

If I survive the day, I'll probably survive the night. No way can I be NK'd.

Unless I get Finster'd

This is a weird thing to say.

 

[Black Ranger]

This is a weird thing to say.

Not weird, see how much suspicion is on me? I probably won't get NK'd, too valuable to have around.

Unless I get Finster'd who should not have been killed x.x