Game Thread Marvel Heroes Mafia - Half of You Will Enjoy This
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EzekelRAGE
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I went for cop item.
Swamped
Dazzling Mafia Queen
Regarding Apollo's power, could it be that the person he boosted maybe didn't use their shot D2, instead hitting on D3? From his PM it seems kinda vague whether the power lasts all game (unless used of course) or only lasts the next day. If so, then the pool of potential scum players increases.
I still think ET is suspect though, if we are only looking at D2. I was a little lttp on questioning him regarding the vere shot, so he kindly linked his rebuttal where he "completely debunked that theory" or something to that effect.
This doesn't really debunk anything though, unless I'm misunderstanding. It's just a defense, which is fine, but not too convincing to me.
I still think ET is suspect though, if we are only looking at D2. I was a little lttp on questioning him regarding the vere shot, so he kindly linked his rebuttal where he "completely debunked that theory" or something to that effect.
This doesn't really debunk anything though, unless I'm misunderstanding. It's just a defense, which is fine, but not too convincing to me.
EzekelRAGE
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So, one of the above had a power role/active ability and sacrificed it for another role.
Im cool at following gorlak and voting one of the above in a lynch today.
Well lookie here, same as me. I was going to go for Gorlak or Nan but hey it is what it is.
Sacrificed my power though so no more item/power warping from me
EzekelRAGE
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anoter power/ not role
Swamped
Dazzling Mafia Queen
I like your potential target choice, too bad
And once again, super bummed I didn't get to join the event. So close this time too!
EzekelRAGE
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uhm, what did it do?
I got nothing, sorry, forgot to mention. :V Guess that means no one else got cop role?
EzekelRAGE
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As in, what did your item power warp role do
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
I think they mean what was the role you sacrificed.
Oh y'all mean the role's power. I could just take any effect of a player that wasn't role-based (thus me claiming items were in play early in) and instead of being effected by them take the item and give it to another player.
I was never hit with an effect like that though, so...
I was never hit with an effect like that though, so...
I got rid of it cause really items didn't seem to be doing shit to me so far, so like, why not get a cop role and try to maybe get one confirmed townie or something to smooth the game out.
My ability was best for protection but not much else from what I could tell.
My ability was best for protection but not much else from what I could tell.
Not interested in lynching most of those today. Most are active voices in the thread who I don’t scumread (for some, not enough, anyway). I will rank them in order in a bit when I’m off mobile.
When I say item, I mean power and give it to another player. That was the wording of the role.
Just in my head that clearly means items, as game has shown with rewards and so on.
Just in my head that clearly means items, as game has shown with rewards and so on.
And while I dunno I townread Coolest, that’s an exact case I could see for a townie giving up a power. See also tracker style roles or situational powers. To trade for a kill or a public check? Yep. I would.
Scum I can see trading too, especially the ones with multiple powers, but I have no issue believing town wouldn’t trade.
EzekelRAGE
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I disagree, I think it’s much more likely for town to sacrifice their role in this. Like you said, the items aren’t that great and unless multiple scum got in the group, I don’t see why you’d risk giving away items for town like this.
Although it’s important to hear what role got sacrificed in that for the final say.
I avoided the obvious cop item since I was sure someone would go for it and instead went for the scummiest item possible the strong kill. Someone else also picked it and I’m really curious to hear who that was.
Cause like if I'm getting a power and giving it to someone else in a marvel themed game about infinity war theme, stones have to be in fucking play.
I did keep saying I was reaching after that and backing off that part since it was my speculative player more then anything, and manly doing it based off theme then clues, but I still think some "gather all the item" crap is in the works here.
EzekelRAGE
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That would leave alexm and brazil if me/gor/monk/cool are to be believed.
@Alexem did you plan on killing me this night phase with the strong kill?
EzekelRAGE
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nvm, brazil answered.
EzekelRAGE
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It seems unlikely scum wouldn't be in player group, right? Just from a numbers stand point?
Then again my numbers are off since there are more scum then I thought, but with seven or more possibly hanging around here...
Then again my numbers are off since there are more scum then I thought, but with seven or more possibly hanging around here...
I was jumping the (wood) gun there, but still, I was just trying to not give my role away since I thought if I got attacked or something I could give it to a player I trusted later, but still wanted us to know as much as possible.
I have a tendency to mix speculation and info together, I need to work on that, but I'm motherfucking nick fury and i'm tired of this motherfucking scum shit.
I was hoping that you and Alexem would should up claiming to have gone for a different item so it'd the theory below, but alas.
I think Zeke also went for the strong kill and got a negative result, but couldn't be open about it and tried to hide behind Monkey. I trust Monkey because she was the first to bring it up, and I trust Coolest because he was open about his sacrifice. I don't think three different townies would've gone for the same obvious townie 1st pick.
VOTE: EzekelRAGE
Zeke wants someone else to be the first to share info.
Zeke only says which item he went for after he learned that someone else also fumbled an item check.
I think Zeke also went for the strong kill and got a negative result, but couldn't be open about it and tried to hide behind Monkey. I trust Monkey because she was the first to bring it up, and I trust Coolest because he was open about his sacrifice. I don't think three different townies would've gone for the same obvious townie 1st pick.
VOTE: EzekelRAGE
No? They both indicated they didn't get it? But you haven't said what you went for at all, so the person I'm most finding dodgy here is you.
Lol I knew it the moment I asked.
Shit when you put it like that it does bring more questions then anything. Ezekel does seem to be dodging and trying to hide a bit here, could be to hide going for something that would look real bad, either cause he is a bad boy or just a bad townie.
EzekelRAGE
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The same can be said about you and fan, you only claimed after he did
Alex
How have I been dodging?
I mean this is a fair point, but couldn't one be playing that way cause they're naturally a snakey scum man?
Or am I reaching here?
The same can be said about you though. You waited till I said my item. Did you have the same idea I did?
Insinuates he's vanilla without revealing anything else, whether he got something or not.
Shifts conversation away to something not at all nearly as important as what's happening here.
Accuses others.
Having more shots hanging around that uninformed townies will fire at will, is surely a two sided sword, but could pay off.
You right, doding is unfair, just short responses that make me feel iffy, but on second thought that could be playing close to chest. What was the role you gave up?
...Nevermind you just said you don't have role. ;-; Fuck the hangovers man
I've already spoken to my townread on Zeke multiple times. He's one of my strongest townreads. I don't necessarily agree with his methods or conclusions but to me he's clearly town.
Much more likely that townies throwing shots are going to hit other townies, especially without another clear target.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Yes.
I'm at work and mobile so bare with me.
I feel the best about Stanley and yourself. Stan as been his nonsense smartass and while his voting pattern is lacking that's pretty typical due to timezone shenanigans. I know so look unfavorably at not voting and certainly not ideal to not be around at deadline but his behavior is who I would expect from a Townley.
You are harder to pinpoint because you have a strong scum game and both sides of the Monkey coin includes introspective questioning, analysis and insight in the mindset of other players which in between naps you're shown an interest in.
Gorlak has, for better or ill definitely relit a fire into the core discussion and taken charge and become a major leader throughout this day. He is and has always been rather aggressive towards me and while it might not feel good to be so closely dissected I do appreciate it because it makes for a health game. I will note that I find it a bit strange that he wanted so much talk from me/Zeke and almost seemed to push Zeke back into a vigorous state and is now wanting us to not address each other? A little odd, but I think it might be best for the moment. So, overall I lean town here.
Other town reads? I believe Ynnek of course, Nat, and Kawl is town unless we have other godfather and/or some extreme circumstances.
Saw and Swamped make me uneasy but it is hard to put into words. Saw is quiet and Swamped seems to be ignoring much of the discussion and just randomly pop in and do something just to appear active and I would expect Brazil to be more impactful, particularly after last game.
I know very little of Nzjubjub's play and need to reread there because I'm having trouble following the argument either way.
I'm hesitate of a Blarg lynch. I don't scum reading him but can understand the doubts people have. And I realize that it is a copout to say Blarg is Blarg and therefore unreadable. Has he ever explained or address his absence during D1? He showed up after the Mysterious Entity, correct?
I am concerned by the inactives. If they are town they are doing little to help and are actively sabotaging town each day they remain absent. We have had several players that hasn't participated in the ITA(s), voting or any of the day to days discussions.
Perhaps they are scum or neutral or just coasting town but right now they are all equally anti-town because this attitude towards the game.
I will close and say I don't believe Zeke to be scum still and even though this has been a frustrating and probably unfruitful rivalry I think the right, those misguided, intentions to scum hunt are there.
I agree.
I swear to you, my biggest WIFOM when choosing was "If Fand is also town, he'll do the exact same as me."
To explain my entire thought process:
I avoided the cop check because it was bound to be targeted by someone else. I really don't think scum would sacrifice their powers, but considering the townie flips so far, I did strongly believe that there'd be a townie willing to sacrifice their powers for something better.
So, looking over at the possible choices I had:
- Cop check: Avoided it because there was definitely going to be a townie targeting it.
- Redirect: I have little interest in this. It seems too situational to be useful.
- Reflect: Same as above.
The remaining ones were the 100% ITA shot and the strong kill. The obvious choice, therefore, was to try going for the strong kill.
If I ended up getting it, I'd be able to trust the other players more. I also could keep it on me or use it on an obvious target. If I didn't, I'd have blocked a dangerous item from entering the game.
Scum could also go for the 100% ITA shot, but that one has to be taken in the thread, so there'd be repercussions for its use on a townie either way.
Going for the strong kill was the most advantageous path from my perspective of trusting that someone else would go for the cop check.
I'm aware of that. But, uh, not by me.
It's possible.
Damn that's a quick ass train. I''ll wait for a counter argument from them to see if i hatch my wagon onto it.
EzekelRAGE
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Vote: Alexem
Wanted an alexem flip since our exchange earlier.
Wanted an alexem flip since our exchange earlier.
Yeah, I see your point.
Coolest, did you misunderstand the rules lol?
You’re the only one that sacrificed his role. Only one player had to do it and it was you.
So Alexem ducking out of the developing discussion is not strange to you?
You find the pressure votes on him strange instead?
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
That he's not responding does seem weird, but with how fast y'all are jumping on this, I can see him drawing up a longer post.
Like, the post about Brazil and Fandorin doesn't look scummy for me. It reads like somebody who didn't understand the rules. The rest are fair points but this is developing a bit too quick.
I thought if you wanted a role youd sarcafice your power but if someone went before you only their power was taken
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Further, I want to clarify my vote on LP. Generally I find him to be lower in activity in when it comes to posting. This isn't surprising -- I would say D1 was very much what I would expect in his style of play -- since, there has been no noise. Zero. Prodding hasn't worked and @ing seems to be ignored. I feel usually he is an engaged player but it is like nothing has gotten his attention or interest. Even my missed shot during this past ITA.
So, while we don't have much to analayis in terms of data. I do think knowing what I know of LP that the complete silence and detachment speak volumes. Obvs. If he isn't a lynch candidate today I'll table it for now.
So, while we don't have much to analayis in terms of data. I do think knowing what I know of LP that the complete silence and detachment speak volumes. Obvs. If he isn't a lynch candidate today I'll table it for now.
EzekelRAGE
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Instead of a loosy vote on someone who isnt being discussed. How about you weigh in on the me vs Alex vote that is currently goin on?
Reads to me more like someone who either didn't understand their posts OR who wanted to throw shade. He demonstrates clear understanding of the rules if he says them both claiming to have a strong kill is "dodgy," though - they wouldn't both have gotten it.
The problem is neither said they got it.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
And seems I'm behind on the Alexm action.
What is the relative reading for me to catch up?
What is the relative reading for me to catch up?
Back a page (for me, I'm on 100) after Gorlak mentioned what he got.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Was working on the post prior to everything else. As I've said I'm at work and on mobile.
EzekelRAGE
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post 5190 would be the start of it i think. with the results of the greed event.
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
If you think so, be my guest. I don't see the benefit for scum throwing shade at people with something that can easily be disproved by understanding the event rules.
In my perspective this train piling on this fast looks just as suspicious as Alexem still not having made a post.
Nah, by now he could be afk, the problem is the half hour he was present and not stating his choice.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
The first bit is a theory I hadn't seen floated. Seems like a bit of a crap shoot though. Plus did anyone shoot D3 and hit that hadn't shot D2? I can't imagine that's a long list, if it fits anyone at all.
So your role was to target someone and then if you were targeted by an item it just transferred into that person's possession? Who were your targets each night?
Odds wise, no matter which spectrum you land on numbers wise there's a decent chance at least one scum was in the event.
Yeah, this is pretty sketchy overall. We need some answers @Alexem
VOTE: Alexem
Also, that was an interesting event idea.
Natiko
Town's Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killer
If this was day end and right at the deadline I could see your point. As is though given there's plenty of time left - why are you so bothered? Feels like needless hand wringing.
EzekelRAGE
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Ok, lets say this event didnt happen.
If it was just me vs Alex.
Who would be your most scum read between the two of us and why?
Except Alexem is more like me in often announcing if he’s leaving so this disappearance adds to my suspicion.
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
I'm not saying you should vote Alexem or not vote Alexem, I'm saying y'all are awfully eager to get this train started before he even answered. Like sure, I can see the point of pressuring him if he doesn't answer, but it hasn't been a very long time.
Yeah ok. That’s pretty much the same thing I had in my mind as well. I’ll add that I tried reading into the players participating in the the event and guessed that most would avoid the more “higher value” items, and that maybe monkey and you would go for either the cop or the strong kill. Coolest pick was hard guess, thought he’d go for a more simple item instead.
How can you be so daft to situational pressure?! A player was clearly flailing and exactly this pressure gets him to crumble/talk/react. Why in the world would we not vote him right now? You are shading the voters and try to influence the room in the opposite direction for whatever reasons, instead of letting this play out.
There is no benefit to your action here other than helping Alexem.
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
The benefit in my action here is that I call out what looks like scum swaying the rest of the players on Alexem over an easy to call out mistake mixed in with some better reasons.
We're nearing day end and town didn't have a real direction towards a certain lynch, so this is about the time where I'd expect scum to try something.
If this whole thing looked more organic I wouldn't say anything, but it doesn't.
melonrabbit
The only good kind of melon
Okay. I think I understand. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Someone has to sacrifice for the cube (game to begin) either a active/unused PR or their life. No one can has an item someone else requests.
bviously no one chose the latter. But supposedly someone did give up there PR because Gorlak claims he recieved something but hasn't revealed it yet. Alex is cagey and only talks about what he could've sacrificed instead of speaking to what he did do. Brazil seems to think that Zeke fishing for information on what people were looking to receive from the event? I'm not sure I completely follow.
Someone has to sacrifice for the cube (game to begin) either a active/unused PR or their life. No one can has an item someone else requests.
bviously no one chose the latter. But supposedly someone did give up there PR because Gorlak claims he recieved something but hasn't revealed it yet. Alex is cagey and only talks about what he could've sacrificed instead of speaking to what he did do. Brazil seems to think that Zeke fishing for information on what people were looking to receive from the event? I'm not sure I completely follow.
EzekelRAGE
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Cool said he sacrificed his power. So gor got the reflect. Brazil's theory is that I waited for someone else to claim an item before I said what item I claimed. The exact same can be said of him. He claimed strong kill after fan. I claimed cop after monkey and maybe cool. alex was the only person that didnt claim.
EzekelRAGE
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==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start
blargonaut (7 votes)
rac - #4632
bladesymphony - #4644
sawneeks - #4976
swamped - #5035
zubz - #5054
extreme tactician - #5061
stanleypalmtree - #5087
alexem (5 votes)
heymonkey - #5253
gorlak - #5254
kalor - #5255
ezekelrage - #5258
natiko - #5280
nzjubjub (3 votes)
kawl - #4735
lone stranger - #4928
luxcommander - #5189
lone_prodigy (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #4956
include (1 votes)
nomad sparkster - #4273
natiko (1 votes)
blargonaut - #4200
ezekelrage (1 votes)
brazil - #5230
faircure (1 votes)
dcpat - #4804
extreme tactician (1 votes)
fandorin - #4924
coolestspot (1 votes)
geno - #4652
Post Counts:
heymonkey: 145 ezekelrage: 141 gorlak: 133 stuart444: 82 muffin: 73 sorian: 67 blargonaut: 59 melonrabbit: 53 nomad sparkster: 49 brazil: 47 extreme tactician: 46 coolestspot: 44 sawneeks: 43 alexem: 43 natiko: 42 rac: 41 fandorin: 36 stanleypalmtree: 35 geno: 30 kawl: 26 kalor: 20 luxcommander: 20 poltergust: 19 swamped: 16 dcpat: 16 faircure: 13 include: 11 necktochicken: 11 nzjubjub: 10 zippedpinhead: 9 ynnek7: 9 bladesymphony: 6 oreomunsta: 6 zubz: 4 lone stranger: 4 hom3land: 3 xbro: 2
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Day Start
blargonaut (7 votes)
rac - #4632
bladesymphony - #4644
sawneeks - #4976
swamped - #5035
zubz - #5054
extreme tactician - #5061
stanleypalmtree - #5087
alexem (5 votes)
heymonkey - #5253
gorlak - #5254
kalor - #5255
ezekelrage - #5258
natiko - #5280
nzjubjub (3 votes)
kawl - #4735
lone stranger - #4928
luxcommander - #5189
lone_prodigy (1 votes)
melonrabbit - #4956
include (1 votes)
nomad sparkster - #4273
natiko (1 votes)
blargonaut - #4200
ezekelrage (1 votes)
brazil - #5230
faircure (1 votes)
dcpat - #4804
extreme tactician (1 votes)
fandorin - #4924
coolestspot (1 votes)
geno - #4652
Post Counts:
heymonkey: 145 ezekelrage: 141 gorlak: 133 stuart444: 82 muffin: 73 sorian: 67 blargonaut: 59 melonrabbit: 53 nomad sparkster: 49 brazil: 47 extreme tactician: 46 coolestspot: 44 sawneeks: 43 alexem: 43 natiko: 42 rac: 41 fandorin: 36 stanleypalmtree: 35 geno: 30 kawl: 26 kalor: 20 luxcommander: 20 poltergust: 19 swamped: 16 dcpat: 16 faircure: 13 include: 11 necktochicken: 11 nzjubjub: 10 zippedpinhead: 9 ynnek7: 9 bladesymphony: 6 oreomunsta: 6 zubz: 4 lone stranger: 4 hom3land: 3 xbro: 2
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There is a big difference in the fact that you actively goaded the others to open up before you revealed any information yourself.
EzekelRAGE
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I didnt goad the others.
Gor said he wanted to reveal the item. I knew what it couldnt be, so I wanted to know what slid thru.
Muffin
is being held hostage by Sammi
"I'm reading into Alexem", is the assumption that what he said would immediately get corrected really so off-base? Besides that I have explicitly said lets wait for him to answer and if he doesn't in an appropriate amount of time it won't look weird for the current lynch train to get double the size.
Let's break this down further while we wait:
Muffin has been very disengaged, not building a case or pushing major reads on anyone in the game. Even here, he's tearing down a possible reason to scumread/vote someone rather than building anything that's an alternative. Further, with the macro shade about how scum would try something as we approach EoD (six hours away) he's free to do the same thing with ANY train that forms. It's easy to say "it's not organic" because it doesn't mean anything. It's feels.
I also don't see an active vote from Muffin from anyone this phase. Last phase, like Alexem, he voted Mazre and Kawl.
EzekelRAGE
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I couldve easily went "I went for the strong kill to stop any potential scum from getting it."