This is a costume game and certain players here acted that obvious as scum in the previous game so this is a mute point
Do you scum read any players? I know you're under vote stress but that would probably help a little more.
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Do you scum read any players? I know you're under vote stress but that would probably help a little more.
Right now, I'm inclined to look at the votes... that makes me suspect of Asuka because he followed Ken's vote and the train was full steam ahead. And he even said the following:
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Also, look at the people trying to get a train going on me, like Tommy.
Those two for now.
I know you have a vote for me, but I don't have a clear read on you. Clade is also giving up reasons to vote for me, but I'm leaning town on him. Niko sounds like a voice of reason, so I'm also leaning town on him.
Those are my reads so far.
Your gif game is point, pay no heed to him.
I had made a note of Asuka's vote being a rough one as well. Like I said earlier, I thought Catalina's was a good one, but some of the others are looking suspect.
Asuka's sticks out to me because it was given under the guise of being there to tie the vote and cause movement, though it could just as well have been to move off and save his partner.
"That isn't how I read what Asuka said. Asuka said there wasn't any reason to worry about a tie. Which meant the vote was absolutely sincere."
I don't see how you can know this for sure just based on that.
Asuka said:
Ah. A gotcha. Of course there was a simple response to this question.
"Sincere as far as we know."
Wasn't trying to insinuate anything about you for the record, simply saying that just because one claims their motive to be of a seemingly pure source does not make it so.
"And to assume that as being what I intended with my post is disingenuous, no? My point, once again, wasn't about absolute purity, but about the purity of intent to vote for Michael. The absense of concerns over a tie being the point in deliberation."
I feel as though this is a tangent at this point.
There are two ways to see the vote: As being from a Scum player, or not. I can see it as being from a Scum player, and I can see the other way too. The fact that I can see it as being from a Scum player makes it stick out when I look at the other votes on Michael. Carl's stuck out as well. Claude's pings me a little bit too. Catalina not as much, but I understand concerns there.
This GIF thing has killed my productivity both in game and out, takes me ages to make a post as I end up looking through the entirety of GIF mafia and I've got hooked on EZA while doing so...
Tommy's a bit of a problem for me, I'm town reading him but not for much other than not switching votes from Ken to michael at EOD (also for voting on you, sorry about that), all possible scum vibes are mixed with paranoia that he'll turn out to be Sorian all along and cause a scum victory.
Could you give me some idea of why you're town reading Cloud? As I currently have him down as possible scum for being a bit coasty as well as not liking his vote on Michael
"I read Asuka as scum. But as for my intentions here, and the tangent at hand..."
I pull out my phone. It's an iPhone X. Full price. Top of the line. Brand new. I sunk all of the money I saved from cigars and booze into it, hoping it would replace the hole in my heart. It was the only thing expensive enough to satisfy my lust. I finish my typing, and slide the phone over, the screen visible, and readable to Trevor. And upon it, he saw the following.
Gif Mafia is a good time, sign up for the next one.
"I read Asuka as scum. But as for my intentions here, and the tangent at hand..."
I pull out my phone. It's an iPhone X. Full price. Top of the line. Brand new. I sunk all of the money I saved from cigars and booze into it, hoping it would replace the hole in my heart. It was the only thing expensive enough to satisfy my lust. I finish my typing, and slide the phone over, the screen visible, and readable to Trevor. And upon it, he saw the following.
I didn't change my vote from Ken because he reminded me of myself playing the Secret Hitler boardgame. I can get overly defensive when called out when playing a bad guy, and what I saw in him was myself. He got overly defensive, and lashed out in multiple posts. We're all different, but it is exactly how I act when I get called out playing Secret Hitler. You get all excited to be a bad guy, but pressure is on, and someone zeroes in on you lightning fast. It twikes you off that your fun is potentially ruined that fast. I was absolutely crushed that yesterday ended with a Michael vote because I was just getting home with 5 minutes to spare, and was in the middle of trying to make a final post to push people back towards Ken. When I went to post...thread was locked. His act of voting for me, then switching to Michael in no time, spoke volumes.
I'm definitely not sold on Claude being town, but he got into it a bit with Ken at the end of the day, and it didn't come across as fake to me, which makes me feel a little bit better about him. Right now, I'd love to hear from Catalina why she commented that Ken was doing everything he could to appear suspicious, yet she maintained a vote on Michael.
Some that stuck out to me just looking back at EoD right now. The summary of his thoughts seems to be "look at people who voted for Michael."
Initial thoughts:
Well done to our.. vig or sk? Gonna be honest, I don't get how this role setup stuff works. It's 50:50 odds between the two, right?
Lance's death. Why him? He was fairly active, along with a few others. I didn't particularly think he was town read, but I was skimming stuff quickly to get caught up yesterday. Gonna look at his posts when I get a chance here, cause we too often ignore the people who died. Just voting, he was briefly on tommyv but that was start of day nonsense, I think? On the other hand, the Michael push might have occurred because two scum(tommyv and ken) were both in the running. More to check into, really. Dunno, I didn't scum read tommyv in particular yesterday.
As for the current Carl votes, i scum read him yesterday, and haven't been convinced he's not scum yet today. Consider my vote to be there right now, though I don't want to actually place it since majority is such a low number.
For whoever was asking about my Catalina thoughts, I need to go back and quote the posts that bothered me. I'll do that next.
Well done to our.. vig or sk? Gonna be honest, I don't get how this role setup stuff works. It's 50:50 odds between the two, right?
Lance's death. Why him? He was fairly active, along with a few others. I didn't particularly think he was town read, but I was skimming stuff quickly to get caught up yesterday. Gonna look at his posts when I get a chance here, cause we too often ignore the people who died. Just voting, he was briefly on tommyv but that was start of day nonsense, I think? On the other hand, the Michael push might have occurred because two scum(tommyv and ken) were both in the running. More to check into, really. Dunno, I didn't scum read tommyv in particular yesterday.
As for the current Carl votes, i scum read him yesterday, and haven't been convinced he's not scum yet today. Consider my vote to be there right now, though I don't want to actually place it since majority is such a low number.
For whoever was asking about my Catalina thoughts, I need to go back and quote the posts that bothered me. I'll do that next.
VOTE: Catalina
Her vote came at a perfect time to cement away from a partner after others had already went through the trouble of starting the wagon for her. Claude scrapes in just early enough where most people would have went for the bus points instead of trying to save a partner. After a day where she tried pitting Trevor, Lance, and myself against each other (mostly us vs. Lance which starting shifting to them vs. me near the end where she was calling me more of a wallflower) and then scum kills Lance. It feels like too much of a set-up job.
And to Michael's question above, it's not really 50/50 on the math of a SK vs. vig and it's still even possible both exist in this game but as it stands now, it's impossible to know what role that is. A SK playing smart chooses the same target there as a vig.
Her vote came at a perfect time to cement away from a partner after others had already went through the trouble of starting the wagon for her. Claude scrapes in just early enough where most people would have went for the bus points instead of trying to save a partner. After a day where she tried pitting Trevor, Lance, and myself against each other (mostly us vs. Lance which starting shifting to them vs. me near the end where she was calling me more of a wallflower) and then scum kills Lance. It feels like too much of a set-up job.
And to Michael's question above, it's not really 50/50 on the math of a SK vs. vig and it's still even possible both exist in this game but as it stands now, it's impossible to know what role that is. A SK playing smart chooses the same target there as a vig.
Also, for everyone voting Carl, if he is scum then Tommy is the other scum. That's the only way those votes make sense because Carl never took the easy boost vote on Carl to tip him over Ken which solves most of the scum team's issue earlier. The only reason a scum Carl doesn't do that is if Tommy is scum too. The issue with that though is roleblocker is the strongest mafia role in this set up and voting Tommy, who would either be a goon or a godfather, would be better than losing Ken to a day 1 vote.
Hmm, that is an interesting take. To the last part, that would only make sense if they were willing to bus on D1 at all though, right?
Felt a little bit like a scum pocket attempt to me, in regards to Trevor and Asuka. Very small thing, but she's also voting against a now confirmed townie. Very minor since a lot of us have and will, but just remember it.
These two give me the impression that Catalina wants to skate. The second in particular gave me a really weird vibe. I didn't quote every post, but she also seemed to be mildly calling out a lot of different people. Sometimes with merit, but not always. Feels like laying groundwork to be able to jump on any train she wants later on.
For awhile there, the game seemed pretty dead set on Tommy vs. Ken. That said though, yes to your question but the first half of my theory is specifically for the team that isn't willing to bus D1. Carl is linked to Tommy in either scenario.
Okay, from my point of view, taking into account that I am town, he's said some very similar things about the whole Ken/Tommy and Michael votes. His posts show that he had some of my very same thoughts, so that's why I'm reading him town. Also, he wasn't as quick as Ken and Asuka to join the train and he wasn't one of the ones who turbo'd the vote. He's sitting right there in the middle, and I've been that vote before in other days, so I'm not scum-reading him.
It's really fucking unfortunate that things turned out the way I did. I had an urge to jump off the train when I saw what had happened. Some of Ken's defensive posts really made me regret saying that I didn't like the Ken/Tommy trains cause I couldn't easily change my vote back to Ken once I had voted for Michael. It would have looked even worst if Ken had ended up getting lynched and flipped town (which was highly possible, considering the maths)..
I'm just gonna stop saying stuff like that cause it tends to paint me in a corner, and when I want to get out, it prevents me from doing so.
Aside from whether or not you're scum right now, that's not a lesson we should take away. Sticking your neck out is usually a townie thing to do, since scum can hide more easily when they don't have to commit to anything.
Not that I want to sway votes to me, but I still have to ask. Can you elaborate a little bit more on how Carl and I are linked? Also, you mention Carl took the easy boost vote on Carl---I'm guessing you meant someone else here?
I think it means that if I was really trying to prevent Ken from getting lynched, the easy vote for me would have been on you cause you were kinda tied there for a moment.
Unless you’re scum, so that would explain why I went with the Michael vote - cause I wouldn’t have wanted you or Ken getting lynched.
The second Carl there should be you, sorry about that
Ok now that I'm done with my work. Yes, what Carl says above is what I was talking about @TommyV . Basically, scum Carl should always vote for you closer to mid day or if he's feeling frisky, he busses Ken. Neither happened there and instead he didn't get onto a wagon until Michael was starting to develop. I'm not sure I even buy Carl as scum because I think Catalina is one of the remaining but if it turns out he is then you have a high likelihood of being scum as well.
OK, I think I follow. Well, that puts me in a really uncomfortable spot because Carl stuck out to me first, but I also know I'm not scum. I can't hop off my Carl vote without damn good cause at this point though because I came into today guns glazing that he was the most suspicious. However, I have made it clear a few times that I am suspicious of Catalina, and growing moreso at her silence, why she would vote for Michael, and after make this post:
Yet she never moved her vote over to him. It gives her just enough deniability to say she had her suspicions about Ken, even while voting to kill off Michael, who she knew to be innocent. IF she is scum.
Vote: TommyV
The funny cat videos that had been my momentary distraction for the past eight or so hours of this sordid affair had finally ran dry. My youtube hole had lead me into people giving three hour long speeches on how the government is secretly being run by aquatic reindeer. And far be it from me to question our reindeer overlords, it was time to make a move. Time to make a play. Time to make a stand. My previous vote had run it's course, and it's usefulness was left high and dry. Time to freshen things up.
"Let's put some pressure over here." Because if there was anything that told anybody anything, that anything that anybody would be pressured to tell about was pressure. "You were the candidate with the most potential (outside of, you know, Ken) until an alternative was found... And I personally would like to cut out the middleman."
The funny cat videos that had been my momentary distraction for the past eight or so hours of this sordid affair had finally ran dry. My youtube hole had lead me into people giving three hour long speeches on how the government is secretly being run by aquatic reindeer. And far be it from me to question our reindeer overlords, it was time to make a move. Time to make a play. Time to make a stand. My previous vote had run it's course, and it's usefulness was left high and dry. Time to freshen things up.
"Let's put some pressure over here." Because if there was anything that told anybody anything, that anything that anybody would be pressured to tell about was pressure. "You were the candidate with the most potential (outside of, you know, Ken) until an alternative was found... And I personally would like to cut out the middleman."
Hi. I don't want to read. Please let me stay hidden.
...really? Franklin, mate, I am Mafia because I announce my glorious appearance in the thread in a silly way? That is foolish. And to the second point, my apologies for trying to have a discussion with the people from whom I am supposed to find the Mafia from.
...really? Franklin, mate, I am Mafia because I announce my glorious appearance in the thread in a silly way? That is foolish. And to the second point, my apologies for trying to have a discussion with the people from whom I am supposed to find the Mafia from.
That was record keeping so you all would have a better foundation to my thoughts at the time instead of just hearing it from me now how I was then. Now I can't take the words back and I have less wiggle room in the terms of my public opinion. At the time I felt what the post said - Ken wasn't making a good case for his continued existence. The rest is some yummy wine. Mmm, wine. I could say that at the time I was afraid that since there was so little time left, the end result would be extremely unpredictable and decided against teasing the chaos but I did not say that back then so let us all just sip the wine.
sips the wine
Vote timing is fair, won't argue against that. Care to elaborate what exactly do you mean by a set-up job?
If you know Lance is dying soon, you start transitioning to a new target earlier rather than later. I don’t think me or Lance changed play style much from early day 1 to late but your opinion flip flopped us.
Now i dont have much of a read on catalina atm but this post eggs at me
The attitude of it, particularly the banter about the wine, feels incredibly performative. Its said to be seen but not just to entertain like most jokey bullshit players throw out.
Like trying too hard to give off an air of unconcerned indifference.
The attitude of it, particularly the banter about the wine, feels incredibly performative. Its said to be seen but not just to entertain like most jokey bullshit players throw out.
Like trying too hard to give off an air of unconcerned indifference.
And why is my performance a concern? Am I giving too much of a carefree vibe? Why is that a problem? What does the wine say?
Well, not much happened while I was asleep.
Not in agreement with the scum reads on Catalina, but I can understand the votes.
Niko moved his vote over to Tommy, that's fair. What are your thoughts on Tommy besides the fact that he was up for a vote yesterday, Niko? Any of his posts sticking out to you?
Not in agreement with the scum reads on Catalina, but I can understand the votes.
Niko moved his vote over to Tommy, that's fair. What are your thoughts on Tommy besides the fact that he was up for a vote yesterday, Niko? Any of his posts sticking out to you?
Quite the detailed plan, I don't that is common around here. What I've seen, the night kill targets are rarely set in stone before the day ends. In addition, the flip-flop you mention is, in my opinion, an unreasonable observation. My original stance on you two was based on about 10 posts each at the day start. I feel it is only natural for the opinion to change as the game goes on.
Turning on the aggression gear next before the why you only defend crowd arrives.
Im shocked i have to explain this but Its a concern because it could mean you are acting insincere, like you are trying to hide how you really feel at the presure your under.
Which is, yknow, bad.
Ah, that bottle. I am Mafia because I am, in reality, under such pressure that I am overdoing the mask on my face.
One of many possibilities. A false one at that.
Night read things:
I like beating dead horses and whatnot. Carl's vote looks like a one of those scum votes that start a train that ends up saving the day. A counter-train in spirit, if not in essence. Or let the town town, pick one. Ken jumping on this could be something, or not. Not worth theorizing. Claude's vote is not perfectly all sunshine, I was his preferred lynch but there was not that much work done there. The case against Claude would be surfing via not really pursuing things or doing them only up to a moderate degree. Asuka on the other hand was just playing the crowd. For what end, who knows. I imagine today is the supposed end, though the direction is not all pleasant.
Oh and there was a Huang there and then there was no Huang. A grand disappearance act. Oh he was busy? Unfortunate. Anything more than Carl, Huang? Franklin seems aligned with some suspicions of mine (Carl and the fact that he brought it up yesterday) and while we don't fully agree on myself and Asuka but he seems like an independent voice to me. That is moderately difficult to fake and can easily end up relinquishing some control over one's actions so I am fine with that particular threat for now.
I like beating dead horses and whatnot. Carl's vote looks like a one of those scum votes that start a train that ends up saving the day. A counter-train in spirit, if not in essence. Or let the town town, pick one. Ken jumping on this could be something, or not. Not worth theorizing. Claude's vote is not perfectly all sunshine, I was his preferred lynch but there was not that much work done there. The case against Claude would be surfing via not really pursuing things or doing them only up to a moderate degree. Asuka on the other hand was just playing the crowd. For what end, who knows. I imagine today is the supposed end, though the direction is not all pleasant.
Oh and there was a Huang there and then there was no Huang. A grand disappearance act. Oh he was busy? Unfortunate. Anything more than Carl, Huang? Franklin seems aligned with some suspicions of mine (Carl and the fact that he brought it up yesterday) and while we don't fully agree on myself and Asuka but he seems like an independent voice to me. That is moderately difficult to fake and can easily end up relinquishing some control over one's actions so I am fine with that particular threat for now.
I'm more used to the big games, so I felt like I was forgetting about people existing.
Trevor: 79 - Lean town
Niko: 46 - No offense man, but I gotta be honest, I'm not even reading your posts at this point. I don't have enough time to parse it all out.
Lance: 43
TommyV: 38 - On the fence.
Claude: 36 - Null. Not sure how or why, but claude hasn't stood out much to me so far
Asuka: 35 - Lean town
Michael: 27
Catalina: 27 - Lean scum
Carl: 24 - Lean scum
Roman: 21 - Null due to replacement
Ken: 20
Franklin: 18 - Me
Huang: 16 - Got nothing here, which worries me. I know I've been inactive as well, but I feel like I've tried to contribute when I can post, at least enough that people can form opinions about me.
So really just Claude and Huang, though I think Claude is more because I've been in a rush. For now:
Vote: Huang
Trevor: 79 - Lean town
Niko: 46 - No offense man, but I gotta be honest, I'm not even reading your posts at this point. I don't have enough time to parse it all out.
Lance: 43
TommyV: 38 - On the fence.
Claude: 36 - Null. Not sure how or why, but claude hasn't stood out much to me so far
Asuka: 35 - Lean town
Michael: 27
Catalina: 27 - Lean scum
Carl: 24 - Lean scum
Roman: 21 - Null due to replacement
Ken: 20
Franklin: 18 - Me
Huang: 16 - Got nothing here, which worries me. I know I've been inactive as well, but I feel like I've tried to contribute when I can post, at least enough that people can form opinions about me.
So really just Claude and Huang, though I think Claude is more because I've been in a rush. For now:
Vote: Huang
I disagree with this notion of active scum play. I got the feeling from Carl's vote (reflecting on what we know from today's flips), that it was, if scum, tossing away the vote and hoping for the best. In short, I feel that scum are not acting as a strong united force, something that could be gathered from the way Ken acted.
Why did you not engage with me beyond the vote if I was the one in whose blood you wished to bathe? When you were busy not engaging with me, what were you looking at and why was I then still the one with the yummiest red cells?
Barring someone last minute claiming, the night kill last night was always set in stone. Assuming both Trevor and Lance are town, they were who needed to die. Low level scum go for Trevor and either hope no protection is there or don’t even think about it. High level scum go for Lance assuming that if there is protection about that the protection goes for the more town favorite (Trevor). It’s not exactly a leap in logic that scum would have pointed this out in their chat once day 1 was going so slowly.
If we’re going to argue that scum is disorganized and making weak plays, not my argument by the way, I just think Ken got annoyed that he happened to get called out on what was really nothing, then even more reason why a scum Carl takes the first out he can find to save Ken. The other option is, of course, that Carl just was never available to vote but it was a long time where Ken and Tommy were tied and Carl posted at least once during that time. The biggest thing that throws a wrench in is that clearly no one felt like pushing Tommy up over Ken that whole time. That could be an indicator that Tommy is just scum on his own though, independent of a potential town Carl that just didn’t want to vote yet.
I think Huang is town. Mostly un-focused but I don’t see any agenda is his posts so far.
Here's my current read list:
Trevor: Lean Town - Highest post count, which probably means he's town or a scum who likes to stick out his neck, but I'm going with the former
Niko: Lean town - His posts seem very reasonable to me
TommyV: Lean scum - Quick to try and get a train going on me - but what are the odds that we zero'd in on two scums so early on D1?
Claude: Lean town - Had very similar arguments to mine, so I'm going with my gut here
Asuka: Null - I was leaning scum early in the day, but I've changed my mind - can't fully commit to leaning town, though
Catalina: Null - Hasn't stood out that much for me
Carl: Town - Yes, I am town
Roman: Null - Hasn't stood out that much for me
Franklin: Weak Lean Town - I liked some of his D1 arguments, which unfortunately led me to my Michael vote, but I think that was just unfortunate
Huang: Null - Hasn't stood out that much for me
I'll be looking closer at whatever my Null reads post today.
Trevor: Lean Town - Highest post count, which probably means he's town or a scum who likes to stick out his neck, but I'm going with the former
Niko: Lean town - His posts seem very reasonable to me
TommyV: Lean scum - Quick to try and get a train going on me - but what are the odds that we zero'd in on two scums so early on D1?
Claude: Lean town - Had very similar arguments to mine, so I'm going with my gut here
Asuka: Null - I was leaning scum early in the day, but I've changed my mind - can't fully commit to leaning town, though
Catalina: Null - Hasn't stood out that much for me
Carl: Town - Yes, I am town
Roman: Null - Hasn't stood out that much for me
Franklin: Weak Lean Town - I liked some of his D1 arguments, which unfortunately led me to my Michael vote, but I think that was just unfortunate
Huang: Null - Hasn't stood out that much for me
I'll be looking closer at whatever my Null reads post today.
Just to try and keep our eyes on every possible angle and go for big hypotheticals...Is there a point in time where Michael is a guaranteed enough kill for Day 1 that scum would hide their votes in Ken because they knew they knew he was safe, and they could use him as a blanket? "See, I voted for Ken!" If I were scum, I would do something like this, especially if I saw how the tides were going, and/or if I knew I had other scum to finish pushing Michael over the edge. In this case, that would be: TommyV and Roman.
I guess I feel like I don't have much to talk about right now.
Carl is still who I'd want today.
Claude is still a ? for me, definitely a suspect.
Huang I'm feeling a bit better about, Franklin made a decent point above as well.
I feel like both Carl and Claude are solid leads based on Ken's flip and their activity/behavior yesterday. I don't know if I'd want to go outside of there barring some major revelation. Tommy is a lesser suspect. I wouldn't want to go for Catalina today. I have reservations about Asuka, but he does give me town vibes in his posts. I'd like to see some more thoughts from Niko and Roman.
Carl is still who I'd want today.
Claude is still a ? for me, definitely a suspect.
Huang I'm feeling a bit better about, Franklin made a decent point above as well.
I feel like both Carl and Claude are solid leads based on Ken's flip and their activity/behavior yesterday. I don't know if I'd want to go outside of there barring some major revelation. Tommy is a lesser suspect. I wouldn't want to go for Catalina today. I have reservations about Asuka, but he does give me town vibes in his posts. I'd like to see some more thoughts from Niko and Roman.
Not a leap, no. Nor a certainty. We shall disagree then.
There is the 3-2 (with Tommy on Ken) and Carl comes in and and accuses Michael of Ken's crimes and implies reluctance for voting the current leads. Carl goes to do the laundry, IIRC, and during that period of absence Ken appears and gives a part of his non-ideal defense, ending with him making the vote 3-3. Carl returns, votes Michael. Carl does not engage with Ken's defense and in a post later seems unaffected by it, even defending Ken. One of the very first and only reads Carl gives is him defending Ken from what ends up getting him the heat.
If Carl is Mafia, he felt he could not back down from the comment he made about not wanting to vote for Tommy. He was trapped by his lack of opinions and did not want to go against the one read he had, the one that, through association, also protected Mafia-mate Ken. Not only was there that, but there was no record of Carl suspecting anyone, all he had as a fallback / place into which to drop the vote in was Michael.
Compare this all to me, who questioned Ken's defense, engaged with others and hunted Mafia. Why did I not vote for Tommy? Why did Mafia me not engage Tommy more and find a way to switch onto him?
This ended up being rather disconnected from the rest narratively. It was in reference to this, a possible mention Town, mention Mafia checklist-type post.
Why did Ken get on the lynch list in the first place? It was because of his stupid post of "Who's new?"
Then Michael comes in and starts fishing information out of Lance.
Franklin points out that Mafia is probably okay with the Ken and Tommy trains cause there hasn't been a push for someone else. If I was trying to protect Ken like some are saying, why not just vote for Tommy? Why was there a need to get a train going on Michael?
Towards the end of the day, I vote for Michael. I gave my reasons, but I also said that I had reservations. Michael had a vote from Lance, which I was reading as town, so I placed my vote there.
I start a post - then I go and finish with the laundry - then I come back and finish my post without first checking the situation - that's when I said that if there was a tie between Ken and Tommy, I would change my vote to prevent a tie.
I then notice the train going on Michael. Odds are that Michael is gonna be a townie. I wanted to change my vote to Ken, but I felt locked in to place because of my previous comments. If, for some reason, Ken got lynched and turned out to be a townie (cause math tells us that was the strongest possibility), I would have ended up looking scummy.
Instead, I stuck with my vote and ended up looking scummy anyways.
Again, this is just unfortunate for me. I have no doubt that scum wouldn't be so open in protecting one of their own like I apparently did with Ken.
Several people said that Ken's post of "Who's new" was nothing. I wasn't the only one.
Maybe I wasn't paying much attention to the rest of the conversation, but Ken's fishing was certainly a prominent topic of discussion, even if that wasn't the reason others voted for him.
Many commented on it. Many did also something else. You were a part of the first, but not the second.
To Asuka's point, you might not have gone in on me if I'm also scum. Now, I'm not scum...but that is the reasoning there. Makes sense to me. Not only do you have to divert attention from Ken, but you'd have to keep it away from me as well.
I don’t think the timing works that well though, with a half hour left, I switched votes to make a tie and things were so razor thin in terms of timing that while I thought it was a tie, Lance had already switched votes which unbalanced it again. I don’t think there was a “safe” time to be voting for Ken at the end there. Either they were in on the bus, fully expecting him to die, or they were trying to protect him. I don’t think there was a way there to plan for both positives.
I mean, we still get to the sane place in terms of Carl, why does he bother locking out his vote options by saying he wouldn’t go for either leader? Either he’s town and really just didn’t like either or he’s scum and both of them were scum. Playing games there while being coy on not voting if Tommy is town just lead to the situation blowing up in scum’s face. That could have surely happened but I can’t deduce based on dumb luck.
To link it back to you, which feels odd that you did that here, I mean, you barely had a reason to go on Michael, you’re actual vote was separated from all explanation and I don’t think you really had anything concrete on him right before then. Also, let’s be clear here, I brought up Carl specifically because he got a lot of traction out the gate today, I think Tommy is the better first lynch if people want to go down that rabbit hole because there was a lot of weirdness around why no one pushed Tommy further. To my point, I think scum Carl means scum Tommy but scum Tommy doesn’t necessarily mean scum Carl. A few people could be partnered with Tommy, you included.
When I made that post, I had not yet seen the train on Michael.
The following post after that was my last one for the day.. being surprised at the train.
Between that last post and end of day, I thought of changing my vote, but I didn't because of what I explained. I saw that Lance bailed and thought of doing the same.
I'm banging my head against the wall for not doing it.
Where my brain is going is that Roman could vote Ken to blanket himself so at least one scum remains out of suspicion because only 7 votes were needed to lynch Michael. If I'm looking at the vote tool correctly, then by the time Roman voted for Ken, Michael was already a done deal, right? Or at least close enough that another scum could have planned to push Michael over-the-edge, so Roman knew he had a safe bet. That would mean Franklin or Niko (1 or both?) being scum with Roman. This is all a huge hypothetical though.
For those on the fence about me, I'm not sure if this will sway you much, but Ken got a little snippy with me because I called him out for hardly making posts. You'd think that is something I'd be yelling at him behind-the-scenes about. Of course, this could be a smoke screen, or we could just be a terrible team. But I was genuinely frustrated someone might absorb all the votes and let real scum slide because he wouldn't defend himself. Luckily enough, it was his act of defending himself afterwards (by getting snippy) that cemented it for me that he was scum, along with his vote against me then quick flip to Michael.
Concrete, day one, ehh. But really, nothing concrete, true. It was a reaction to his vote post after me being non-impressed by his general performance. It was hard to combine giving him time and getting the vote out with at least some time on the clock. Did not any responses in ten and I placed the vote in order for my stance to be clear. Feel free to bemoan me for leaving it up for the last bits, that is really a character trait at this point.
I like your act if you are Mafia. But more to the point, what is not written does not exist.
Though not like you gain a lot of credibility even when you write things down in public, lol.
I'm not good at spotting tells as some of the most veteran players.
That's why I easily fall for red herrings.
I've explained my thought process for voting on Michael... and all the points of reference I used are written in my post.
I did not expect a Michael train and I left myself open to the possibility of changing my vote to either Ken or Tommy if there was a tie.
But there was no tie, so I left it on Michael.
Ok, Carl. Looking at your read list here:
You mention Asuka, what was it about him that had you leaning scum? (my apologies if you posted this already somewhere, haven't looked back at the last page yet)
So, would it be safe to say Tommy is who you want to vote for right now, since that seems to be the only person you have any scum thoughts about?
You mention Asuka, what was it about him that had you leaning scum? (my apologies if you posted this already somewhere, haven't looked back at the last page yet)
Dammit, I keep forgetting that Claude had those kind of aggressive interactions with Ken at EoD yesterday, that did seem somewhat real. What are other thoughts on those posts?
I wish I could.
I think I would my game would be served better with an earlier vote rather than a later one.
I'm one of those guys that like to go to every single store before making up my mind on what to buy... so that's why I tend to vote so late. But that has come back and bitten me in the ass numerous times.
I like what Asuka has posted today (hasn't completely absolved me, but she's reasoning it out and not going for a straight condemnation like others).
Catalina, you're giving me a hard time. I agree with what has been said about your Michael vote. But the fact that you don't have a vote on me means that you're not completely dismissive of my explanation. I hope you keep an open mind. That's why I'm not voting for you right now.
It was mostly how he jumped on the Michael train. Lance was town. I know I'm town. The next two votes tend to be scum, to solidify the train: Ken and Asuka.
But I've since changed my mind, like i mentioned earlier in this post. I'm now leaning town on him.
I'm okay with a TommyV vote. You were the first vote on me, but I'm leaning town on you, so I understand that you are suspicious. I know I would be.
But Tommy came in hard after that, and I don't have a good read on him in general. I think he felt he came close to getting lynched on the previous day and wants to quickly set up someone to lynch on D2 before eyes turn back to him. I'am also suspicious of Huang because the third vote is the one that tries to solidify a train going. I'd also be suspicious of whoever votes after Huang.
So, let me put this in here right now, with the caveat that it's not set in stone and I am willing to change my mind - hopefully not at the last minute.
VOTE: TommyV
==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start
Carl (3 votes)
Trevor - #360
TommyV - #361
Huang - #372
TommyV (2 votes)
Niko - #441
Carl - #486
Catalina (1 votes)
Asuka - #427
Huang (0 votes)
Franklin - #458 #463
Trevor (0 votes)
Niko - #376 #441
Not voting: Claude, Franklin, Catalina, Roman
Post Counts:
Trevor: 26 TommyV: 16 Catalina: 16 Niko: 14 Carl: 14 Asuka: 11 Claude: 9 Franklin: 9 Roman: 7 Huang: 4
Current Countdown:
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Day Start
Carl (3 votes)
Trevor - #360
TommyV - #361
Huang - #372
TommyV (2 votes)
Niko - #441
Carl - #486
Catalina (1 votes)
Asuka - #427
Huang (0 votes)
Trevor (0 votes)
Not voting: Claude, Franklin, Catalina, Roman
Post Counts:
Trevor: 26 TommyV: 16 Catalina: 16 Niko: 14 Carl: 14 Asuka: 11 Claude: 9 Franklin: 9 Roman: 7 Huang: 4
Current Countdown:
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At X:48, it was 6-4 Michael. Roman's vote at X:58 made it 6-5, with two people not on either candidate, me and Huang. Either one of us voting Ken, or a swap from a Michael vote, would have been disastrous. The only other last second votes were Nico and I putting in preventative votes to avoid any shenanigans at X:59, with Nico coming off the Ken group specifically. Huang was the only person not on either main candidate.
I mean, was there much to engage with? I prodded you with that vote and you basically didnt react. Only confirmed what I got from ISOing you before that, in that you seem like you're deliberately trying not to engage too much.
Today seems a bit different, but that could be just because people beside me posted about you like Franklin did.
I need to start building a town list for myself, and as my foundation, I'm going with people who Ken seemed to legitimately spar with or callout in some way. This could be a terrible idea because it seems easy as hell to fake, but...Ken didn't seem that hot at holding back his thoughts/emotions, so I think I can trust him jabbing back at someone as real in most cases. If I were to go on that, he had back-and-forth with the below.
Town:
Huang
Asuka
Catalina
Claude
Town:
Huang
Asuka
Catalina
Claude
You're killing me. I kind of mentioned it earlier, about townies committing, but this type of statement just sounds like you're hedging your bets.
I'd highly advise looking up the C9++ set up, is likely going to become very important for verifying claims end gameFranklin said:
Current evil roster chances:
2 Goons + Roleblocker = 35.35%
2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer = 35.35%
Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather = 22.22%
Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer = 7.07%
Franklin said:
Didn't have many problems with your reads lists (thanks for pointing out my inactivity it hadn't dawned on me how bad it was) but this stuck out to me, seems like a lazy way to avoid discussing a player.
Since day 2 began Niko's been a pretty clear guy, you just need to ignore the text which hasn't been put in quotation marks
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Please note that this isn't making me scum read Franklin, I think it might have stemmed from genuine annoyance but given Niko has changed his play style I felt he should know.
If there is nothing, you create something. If I am suspicious, talk about it. If I am not suspicious, someone else must be. You are not just a reactor, you are also a creator.
Or you should be.
There's still over 24 hours left. I'm not gonna commit so much in advance.
I read your earlier post and I agree. I just don't want to paint myself in a corner again.
Which is quite literally what I tried by trying to get a reaction from you. Didn't seem like you were playing ball, so I shelved it as a scum lean and looked elsewhere after that.
I know scum wants town to lynch me today. There are people suspicious of me and then there are people actively pushing for me.
TommyV is the latter. And there are a couple others. Depending on the next 24 hours and who else votes for me, that's where my vote will go.
But, right now, my vote on Tommy feels good to me right now. Not as many reservations as I had with Michael.
So you did look elsewhere! Delightful!
Who did you look at, why, what did you find out and feel, and why was I, in the end, still the candidate to go for?
Thankses.
I didn't go for you. I went for Michael. I decided that I leaned scum on you and wouldnt get anything more out of you, but was aware that not many would probably vote there. I had my vote on you still for a while in case I was wrong and other people would say something about you. So I looked at the Tommy vs Ken situation which I didnt like and looked at Michael instead.
You mean why I was fine voting you till day end if it came down to it? Because this whole shtick of yours of "I don't want to read too much, do the work for me" is enough on D1 for that.
I think you're missing a middle ground. I am suspicious of you, I did push you, but I am not actively pushing you at the moment (outside of my vote, which I guess you can count as a push). You are still my top pick, but I like all your responses so far. You can just be an even-keeled, logical person who handles pressure well and still be scum though. However, I want to point out that since my immediate drop on you beginning of Day 2, I have been looking down other avenues as well. I think it's important to not get tunnel-vision on you, which is why I've questioned Catalina (who I feel comfortable with now) and Claude (who I'm also more comfortable with, but still not 100%). I've since started going down other avenues as well. Even with you as my top pick, I do not want to start a train on you, because that makes it too easy for scum to hop on board and hide amongst the townies. If people are going to vote scum on you, I want it to be because they believe it, and not because they are just following a wave.
Why the little work then? All you did on me was a vote based on a feeling and when I did respond to your tiny pole, you just cowered down. Is this how we should treat Mafia, oh no, just let them be. And certainly you are not saying that you spent the entire day on getting attached to my fluff so much that you forgot that there are 8 other people (that you mentioned) instead that could be Mafia?
VOTE: Claude